Thanks to ABC News’ Jake Tapper. The Advocate‘s Kerry Eleveld, and The Daily Beast‘s Ana Marie Cox, questions about gay marriage continue to fly around the White House’s press briefing room. And with Bill Clinton throwing his hat in the ring of support, it was good enough for a new round of peppering Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.
Not that we learned anything new. From yesterday’s exchange:
TAPPER: Former President Bill Clinton recently said that he’s basically in support of same-sex marriage. “I think it’s wrong,” he said, “for someone to stop someone else from getting involved in same-sex marriage.” Has President Obama heard these comments? Does he have a reaction? And why is Bill Clinton wrong about this issue?
GIBBS: Well, I’m not going to get into anybody’s opinion — I’m not going to criticize anybody’s opinion, least of all a former President of the United States, on something like this. I am not clear whether the President has seen that. I don’t know where that was from, so I don’t know if the President has seen it.
TAPPER: But President Obama holds a different opinion?
GIBBS: President Obama holds the same opinion he has earlier today.
TAPPER: Which is that same-sex marriage is wrong.
GIBBS: He does not support it. He supports civil unions.
TAPPER: Why does he feel differently than President Bill Clinton?
GIBBS: Because they don’t agree on the issue. (Laughter.) I’ve not obviously spent a lot of —
TAPPER: That’s not really an explanation of why he feels differently. That’s another word for it.
GIBBS: Well, I mean, I’m happy to — I mean, I think the President has answered this question a number of times. I can’t form a basis for why former President Clinton — I’ve obviously not had a conversation with him on this issue, so I don’t know what — it’s hard for me to compare some of this because I don’t have the basis by which he’s making that decision.
galefan2004
Not all Democrats think and act alike. They aren’t all the same person. OMG, I’m like shocked OK!
Bill Perdue
Despite Bill Clinton’s (very limited, too little, too late and meaningless) Flip-Flop, Barack Obama Remains Opposed to Gay Marriage…
Thats because Obama is:
A) a christian bigot…
B) a clone of slick Willie (except that Obama slithered from support of SSM to opposition to it and Clinton slithered in the other direction)…
C) a disgusting hustler who captured the bigot vote with his war cry “gawd’s in the mix” and isn’t about to let Republican gnag members recapture them from his gang…
D) a sick sadist who loves driving the bus…
E) All of the above.
galefan2004
@Bill Perdue: Ahh Bill, you are:
A) A screaming bottom bitch that just likes pain.
B) So over the top the the only one that listens to you is you.
C) In favor of the violent overthrow of the American government.
D) So bitter and jaded that you would hate any politician even if they were giving you everything you wanted.
E) All of the above!
Qjersey
@Bill Perdue:
F) Has no balls
G) Is waiting until his second term because if he supports same sex marriage now he fears it could cost him re-election
Landon Bryce
@galefan2004:
“@Bill Perdue: Ahh Bill, you are:
A) A screaming bottom bitch that just likes pain.”
No, Bill is just a crazy person. And you are a bigot. No one is not bigoted against gay people uses phrases like “screaming bottom bitch.” Please take your homophobic hatred to the NOM site.
galefan2004
@Landon Bryce: I call them how I see them, and screaming bottom bitch is not a bigoted term. Its a gay term, I’m sorry if you don’t like the term, but the truth is that its still a gay term.
wondermann
This article, as usual makes no sense
Landon Bryce
I don’t dispute that “screaming bottom bitch” is a gay term. It’s also a bigoted term. Using derogatory words used for women to refer to gay men is bigoted. The attitude that bottoms are inferior to tops is bigoted. Lots of gay men often express general hatred of gay men– it’s no more acceptable when Perez Hilton or you do it than it is when anyone else does.
Fitz
So.. I just want to check your rule book… Anal insertive = valid opinion. Anal receptive = worthless moron? Hmmm… sounds like some seriously introjected homophobia to me. To all the lovely bottoms out there: I think that you are as much of a person as anyone else. I have no desire to devalue the men who bring immense pleasure into my world.
Bill
How sad that a man who knows the sting of hatred and discrimination would support a seperate-but-equal status for 30 million American tax paying citizens.
The only way he and his Democrats will take notice is if EVERY SINGLE GAY AMERICAN does NOT give them ONE RED CENT.
This is all about money and his second term, folks. Nothing more. As usual, Gay & Lesbian citizens are being used as nothing more than political weapons in the sill game called American Bullshit.
As for Mr. Clinton, DOMA will be your legacy, sir. Not your eventual personal-growth towards the idea that ALL MEN are created equal.
STOP GAY APARTHEID!
galefan2004
@Landon Bryce: Like it or not, the entire gay community still sees tops as being superior to bottoms. Apparently, I struck a nerve, so I apologize. However, by your logic every gay man alive that is either versatile or a top is bigoted.
Bill Perdue
@Qjersey: Thanks – those are useful additions.
@Landon Bryce: Congratulations! For probably the second or third time in your life you’re right about a political question. galefan2004 most certainly is a bigot. He’s just not an honest bigot like McCain. He’s the dishonest kind like Obama and the Clintons. He’s a Democrat/DNC bigot. The lying through their teeth kind of bigot.
galefan2004s pissant personal attacks are a measure of both his political bankruptcy and his abject failure as a hack for the DNC.
But don’t start patting yourself on the back too soon, Landon. You’re wrong about me. I’m not crazy. Crazy is voting for your enemies and then saying “OMG, I got fooled again for the 287th time by crooked Democrat/Republican politicians! Gosh, how did that happen?” That kind of repetitive, political self-flagellation is certifiable.
galefan2004
@Fitz: No. I said screaming bottom bitch. I never said that all bottoms are screaming or that all bottoms are bitches. I especially never said that all bottoms are worthless. Personally, I support a fully versatile climate where no one is truly a top or a bottom, but the world just never went that way.
galefan2004
@Bill Perdue: I assume you just don’t fucking bother to vote at all. I mean, you hate the Repugs. You hate the Dems. You hate everyone in politics. Do you even vote or do you just bitch about how politics is unfair? If you don’t like the candidates then get off your ass and go run for office. All you do is sit around bitching about everyone else like some sort of judgmental twat, and you have yet to show that you are willing to do anything to solicit real change.
I mean, I get it, I really do, you hate the Repugs and you hate the Dems. Are you a member of some third party? Do you only vote third party? Or are you like every other bitch out there that complains like crazy when there isn’t an election cycle but goes out and votes for the people you bitch about every day anyways?
Fitz
@galefan2004: Thanks for clarifying. I have come to value your position on many things, and that phrasology struck a major nerve.
John Santos
@galefan2004:
I call them how I see them,
As do I. Now get back in your closet, you self-loathing, shameful coward.
and screaming bottom bitch is not a bigoted term.
No it’s not–it’s a term used by closeted self-loathing queers, who hide behind screen names and call others names when they disagree with them, rather than provide a rational counter argument.
Its a gay term,
You’re the only gay I’ve never seen use this term. Perhaps you’re confusing a “gay term” used by anti-gay hets you hang around, with a common parlance of the queer community.
I’m sorry if you don’t like the term, but the truth is that its still a gay term.
Proof?
Like it or not, the entire gay community still sees tops as being superior to bottoms.
The entire gay community? Would you care top provide evidence to back up this absurd claim?
Apparently, I struck a nerve, so I apologize.
No, you just demonstrated how not having the balls to live your life as an out gay man can taint your ideas of what it means to be gay, and what constitutes masculinity when it comes to sexual activity.
However, by your logic every gay man alive that is either versatile or a top is bigoted.
Only those who call other gays “screaming bottom bitch”.
I never said that all bottoms are screaming or that all bottoms are bitches.
You did say that all gay men view tops as superior, ergo, by your logic, all men who are not exclusively tops are bottom bitches.
I especially never said that all bottoms are worthless.
It was inferred.
Personally, I support a fully versatile climate where no one is truly a top or a bottom, but the world just never went that way.
Your closeted pathetic world, perhaps. Maybe if you stopped trolling public toilets long enough to venture out into the real world, you’d see that most men see sex as just that–sex. No roles, just sex. If you want ridiculous stereotypes and absurd fantasies, watch a Falcon film. You’re in the real world here, sunshine.
Landon Bryce
@galefan2004:
Thanks for the apology. I feel more and more that it is our self-hatred that is the greatest impediment to political progress. I’m not sure why you think it’s not possible to view the person being fucked as equal to the person doing the fucking– are the people who say that homophobia is really just sexism in disguise correct?
Landon Bryce
@John Santos: Can I buy you a drink?
John Santos
@Landon Bryce:
Can I buy you a drink?
Considering your views about gays drinking in gay establishments–The Rainbow Lounge for example–I seriously doubt you’d venture outside of your closet long enough to show your face in public and actually mingle with other queers.
Although I’m fairly certain you occasionally lurk outside of gay bars waiting for the cops to show up and brutalize the bar patrons. Must be better than HBO for someone like you.
TomEM
@Landon Bryce: “…are the people who say that homophobia is really just sexism in disguise correct?”
Good question.
John Santos
No. 19 · John Santos
@Landon Bryce
Who posted this crap comment under my name? That’s childish and stupid. If you don’t have the balls to challenge my uncomments up front, don’t bother replying.
Can I buy you a drink?
And yes, Landon, you may by me several drinks. And then you may take me home and have your wicked way with me 8^)
wondermann
@Bill: STOP GAY APARTHEID! look up apartheid, please. We are nowhere near an apartheid.
Bill Perdue
@galefan2004: It’s DNC shills who do the ‘fucking’ kind of voting. Their votes fuck the rest of us over, and not in the good kind of way.
Happily, I vote in Las Vegas, where it’s legal to vote for “None of the Above”. From a third to a half of voters stay home, sick and tired of the crap choices of this little lesser evil vs. the next little lesser evil.
galefan2004
@John Santos: Sorry, but my closet has been broken for a very long time. Thanks for your opinion though, but apparently I’m not a coward if I can stand up to people like you that think the entire gay community should be painted with the same brush.
I did provide a rational counter argument. I just did it later on. At first, I decided to be provocative. I enjoy provoking argument and hatred on the internet. Its fun for me. Its even more fun when people like you try to counter me on it. When I’m in the right mood, its better than sex.
Perhaps you are a very sheltered person if you never heard the term bottom bitch.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bottom-Bitch
Oh look, I coined the term that was already included in the urban dictionary. Wow. I’m impressed with myself.
No, I just like making absurd claims with no evidence to back them up. I’m much like QT in that way.
Funny, but I do live my life as an out and open gay man. I don’t need to live up to YOUR ideal. Might shock you to know that 95% of the fucking time I’m a bottom right? So, save your judgment for someone that isn’t.
I don’t own the term. Its a universal term. I’m sorry you have a problem with the term. I still think its funny and that is coming from a bottom bitch (although I’m not screaming I’m simply not that queeny). I actually look at it like a mark of courage not a derogatory term.
I don’t see the notion of superior in a bad way. Personally, I want my man to be superior to me in the ability to handle is own and his ability to be a more confident man. That is why I’m normally attracted to tops. It has just been my experience that most complete bottoms I have met have been train wrecks.
Inferring is like assuming and personally I have no problem being an open and willing ass, but I’m not sure you want to make yourself look like one as well.
Thou doth protest to much. I wouldn’t even know about trolling public toilets. Apparently you speak of it with such delight that maybe you have personally done it?
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU KIDDING? Most men, especially gay ones do not see sex as just sex. They identify as being either a top or a bottom. By your logic, every single website that has ever asked a man to identify as top/bottom/versatile simply doesn’t exist and there has never been a gay bar that had a top/bottom party. I think you are simply kidding yourself here. You apparently aren’t in the real world because those fantasies sell well for a reason.
They sell well because I’m far from the only person that wants them. Go browse man hunt (or any other personals site) and see how many people are saying “straight acting” in their descriptions of what they are looking for. Go to a gay bar and see how slowly the flaming queen gets people hitting on them as compared to the straight looking (or hell in this day and age straight) men that are at the same bar. I think you are the one that desires to live in a fantasy world.
galefan2004
@Landon Bryce: Personally, as someone that prefers bottoming I do not see bottoms as being less than tops. I just know that what I look for in a top is very different from what I look for in a bottom. When it comes to a top I want a strong self-confident man that knows who he is and what he wants. When I look for a bottom I want someone that is balanced but wants a man to take care of them. Its just a totally different approach for me when I view the two categories.
galefan2004
@John Santos: Damn dude, don’t hold back. We get it, you are better than everyone else but obviously still hate yourself or you wouldn’t feel the need to force your ideals on everyone. I now know why you are so offended by the screaming bottom bitch remark. I think it was like holding up a mirror.
galefan2004
@Bill Perdue: I will agree with you. I’m tired of the lesser evil when I’m voting as well. Unfortunately, there have been only two candidate in 12 years that I actually desired to vote for. One made it into the House of Representatives and has done a great deal to change this area because he works his ass off every day for this area. The other made it to be prosecutor and replaced a prosecutor that was doing a horrible job. The second one was a Republican. You see, I vote for the candidate and the issues not the party. If someone is doing a horrible job I simply vote them out of office.
Cam
As far as i’m concerned there should be more bottoms in the world.
As for Bill Clinton…well, telling John Kerry that to gain votes he should support a constitutional amendment to ban gay marraige means that he can pretty much go fuck himself. Now that the rest of the party has sidelined you, you are starting to change your mind and seeking publicity on our issues? Ugh, save us from disingenuous politicians.
galefan2004
@Cam: There should be a rule that no one gets to top before they bottom first.
Clinton is a politician. He has always behaved like a politician. He has never changed who he is. Its not new. Politics is his game and he plays it brilliantly. I have no problem with you despising the man if you always despised him, but if you ever believed for a second that he is anything that he is not then that is on you. In truth, BO is exactly the same as Clinton in this regard. I knew what BO was when I voted for him, but I voted for him to stop McCain not to elect BO.
Bill Perdue
@Cam: Obama’s only been in office a little over six months and his polls are plummeting.
Not just because he doesn’t miss a chance to run us over with the O-bus but because the economy is sliding into depression and the caskets are staring to come home again from Iraq and Afghanistan. That’ll only get worse.
I think this may have more to do with Hill and Bill’s desire for revenge in 2012. This time instead of a racist campaign “Only I can win the ‘white’ vote” Hillary may try to outflank Obama on the left.
No ,don’t laugh. They do it all the time. Hopey-changey – Obama. Two cars in every garage – Herbert Hoover. The New Deal – FDR. The New Frontier- JFK. Vote for Peace – LBJ, followed by Nixon. A New Dawn in American – Reagan. Vote for the pro-gay guy – WJ Clinton. And etc.
@galefan2004: There should be a rule that no one gets to top before they bottom first.
Please. This is embarrassing. Quit prolonging your agony with obsequiousness.
You put your foot in your mouth. Then you shot yourself in the foot. Move on.
galefan2004
@Bill Perdue: I’m sorry that you can’t take a joke (especially when it wasn’t even directed at you).
Landon Bryce
@John Santos:
Faux John:
I’m sorry if I gave you the impression I think gay people should not drink in bars.
Real John:
Let me know when you’re in the Bay Area. 🙂
Galefan2004:
I have no trouble at all with dominance in sexual encounters. I just think using “bottom” in the same way a straight teenager would use “fag” is hateful. I appreciate your willingness to discuss it, even if we still disagree.
John Santos
@galefan2004:
Sorry, but my closet has been broken for a very long time.
Really? Considering you wrote this in the Todd Holland posting:
That just isn’t simply true. There are professions where it is a requirement to stay in the closet in many states. Acting isn’t unique.
That seemed like a far too personal sentiment to believe you are out.
Thanks for your opinion though,
Hey, no problem! Some folks just need to be slapped down every now and then and I’m only too happy to oblige.
but apparently I’m not a coward if I can stand up to people like you that think the entire gay community should be painted with the same brush.
But you are a coward if you think the gay community should be to blame for every slight committed against us by an anti-gay society.
As far as “standing up”, being evidence of your bravery, it would mean more if your comments were not posted anonymously through a screen name.
I did provide a rational counter argument.
No you didn’t.
I just did it later on.
Oh! When you wrote this:
I assume you just don’t fucking bother to vote at all…You hate everyone in politics…Do you even vote or do you just bitch about how politics is unfair?…All you do is sit around bitching about everyone else like some sort of judgmental twat…Or are you like every other bitch out there that complains like crazy when there isn’t an election cycle but goes out and votes for the people you bitch about every day anyways?
Oh yeah! That’s a rational counter argument.
At first, I decided to be provocative.
You decided to be a dick and name call another poster.
I enjoy provoking argument and hatred on the internet.
Acting like a douchebag and using anti-gay name calling against other queers.
Its fun for me.
Maybe if you left your closet every now and then, you could find things more entertaining to do.
Its even more fun when people like you try to counter me on it.
I don’t counter, I slap down.
When I’m in the right mood, its better than sex.
If you’re as bad at sex as you are at trolling, you’d best stay in the closet.
Perhaps you are a very sheltered person if you never heard the term bottom bitch.
I’m not sheltered by life–nor a closet, sunshine. Which is why I don’t use ridiculous terms like the ones you choose to level at other gays.
Oh look, I coined the term that was already included in the urban dictionary. Wow. I’m impressed with myself.
An Urban Dictionary entry written by straight people to back up your claim that “screaming bottom bitch” is a gay term, used by the gay community? What color is the sky in your world?
No, I just like making absurd claims with no evidence to back them up. I’m much like QT in that way.
Care to provide proof that Queerty makes absurd claims with no evidence?
Funny, but I do live my life as an out and open gay man.
No doubt straight acting and looking. Until you get few drinks in you.
I don’t need to live up to YOUR ideal.
My ideal is queers not using anti-gay slurs to denigrate each other. Do try to live up to it, closet case.
Might shock you to know that 95% of the fucking time I’m a bottom right? So, save your judgment for someone that isn’t.
Laughable–and still demonstrates your self-loathing.
I don’t own the term.
But you use it freely.
Its a universal term.
How often have you been called a “screaming bottom bitch”?
I’m sorry you have a problem with the term.
I have a problem with closet cases debasing others gays with pejoratively terms.
I still think its funny
Oh, I’m sure you do.
and that is coming from a bottom bitch (although I’m not screaming I’m simply not that queeny).
Because you’re all man; right?
I actually look at it like a mark of courage not a derogatory term.
Sure you do.
I don’t see the notion of superior in a bad way.
But you see the notion of inferior in a bad way–such as bottoms are inferior to tops–according to you.
Personally, I want my man to be superior to me in the ability to handle is own and his ability to be a more confident man.
So, not only are you an anti-gay slur using closet case, you fully support pre-conceived stereotypes of roles within same-sex relationships? You are one poisonous cookie.
That is why I’m normally attracted to tops. It has just been my experience that most complete bottoms I have met have been train wrecks.
You must own a mirror.
Inferring is like assuming
An inference is like a presumption, actually.
and personally I have no problem being an open and willing ass, but I’m not sure you want to make yourself look like one as well.
I’m sure you’re willing, but I doubt your openness. As far as looking like an ass, galefan2004:
He that makes himself an ass must not take it ill if men ride him.
–Thomas Fuller
Thou doth protest to much.
That old chestnut.
I wouldn’t even know about trolling public toilets.
Sure.
Apparently you speak of it with such delight that maybe you have personally done it?
Done it? Nope. Been harassed by closet cases like you on the make? Yes.
Most men, especially gay ones do not see sex as just sex.
I correct myself–most adult men. Not people like yourself, galefan2004.
They identify as being either a top or a bottom.
When they participate in identity politics. Men who have grown up see sex as sex, not something to lord over another with bedroom labels.
By your logic, every single website that has ever asked a man to identify as top/bottom/versatile simply doesn’t exist and there has never been a gay bar that had a top/bottom party.
It’s one thing to inform potential partners what your particular interest is. Its another to live your entire life by identifiers such as “top”, or “bottom” and whatever inferiority/superiority you decide to attach to those identifiers.
I think you are simply kidding yourself here. You apparently aren’t in the real world because those fantasies sell well for a reason.
To trolls like you.
They sell well because I’m far from the only person that wants them.
You are a prime example of a person who needs others to do your thinking for you.
Go browse man hunt (or any other personals site)
Why? Talk about not living in the real world.
and see how many people are saying “straight acting” in their descriptions of what they are looking for.
So rather than try to negate the impact that preferences which are dragged into the real world causes, you wallow in them? By your logic, since I like dark haired and dark eyed men, I should only hang around those types of men. Using preferential identifiers is just that–telling others your particular preference. One should not live their entire life by those preferences.
Go to a gay bar and see how slowly the flaming queen gets people hitting on them as compared to the straight looking (or hell in this day and age straight) men that are at the same bar.
Now you’re comparing public acts of flamboyance, to bedroom activities? There is a difference between being queeny, whether it’s an act or natural, to calling another poster a “screaming bottom bitch”. In your world view, anyone who does not adhere to your strict identity–or preferred identity–must be a bitch, and a screaming bottom to boot!
If you want to hang with queers who fool themselves into thinking they are superior to other queers, simply because they put on an act of being straight, then go ahead. But how is their straight-acting drag superior to another’s queeny-acting drag? Frankly, I see one as real and genuine and another a symptom of self-loathing and the closet. If you have to tell other people you are a man, you aren’t really.
I think you are the one that desires to live in a fantasy world.
I live in the real world–a world of my making. You seem to live in a living, breathing stereotype. You are the film, “Boys In The Band” come to life. And rather than move past decades old stereotypes, you choose to dwell in them, reveling in their quaint antiquity.
John Santos
@galefan2004:
Damn dude, don’t hold back.
I rarely do.
We get it, you are better than everyone else
If that’s all you took away from my reply, then you’re dimmer than I first imagined.
but obviously still hate yourself or you wouldn’t feel the need to force your ideals on everyone.
This coming from a “man” who uses anti-gay slurs against other queers and views potential lovers as stereotypes, rather than human beings.
I now know why you are so offended by the screaming bottom bitch remark. I think it was like holding up a mirror.
Where did I write that I was “offended” by that slur? What offended me was one gay man using an anti-gay slur against another, rather than formulating a coherent argument.
John Santos
@Landon Bryce:
I just think using “bottom” in the same way a straight teenager would use “fag” is hateful.
And that is something galefan2004 will not understand, Landon. He’s far too wrapped up in playing roles and “acting” as something, rather than being genuine.
InExile
@Bill Perdue: You think Hillary will try to run in 2012? We can only hope, she is the only one that could stop the O-bus! Not likely though, but if the repugs run a moderate, O-bus may be looking for a new job in 2012.
Landon Bryce
@WHAT???:
Andrew Belonsky no longer works for Queerty. He works here:
http://www.wowowow.com/contact
Bill Perdue
@InExile: I think that if Bill Clinton’s turnabout is, as speculated, an outflanking trial balloon for Hillary Clinton that it won’t work.
But if unemployment passes 20-25% all bets are off. This June the Bureau of Labor Statistics showed unemployment at 16.8%, rising by 450,000 to 750,000 a month. (That figure, referred to as ‘real’ unemployment by economists includes all unemployed workers, not just those receiving temporary benefits which is pegged at 9.5%.)
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm
Bill Clinton, George Bush and their Congressional parties are responsible for our current crisis because of their deregulation, NAFTA and turning a blind eye to the looting class.
If unemployment reaches those levels the fracturing and polarization we’ve seen in the last decade or so will be the equivalent of a 3.5 preshock. Things will get volatile. The radicalization will increase exponentially and it’ll mean the Big One is one the agenda. It’ll seem very much like what happened in the years before 1776 and 1860.
That’ll seal the political fate of the Democrats and Republicans. They’re handpuppets of the rich, especially people like Hillary Clinton, who sat on the Board of Wal-Mart (always low wages) for 5-6 years. She’s a total toady. And the rest are just as bad.
InExile
@Bill Perdue: Wallmart makes it possible for the poor to have some nice things so there are two sides to Wallmart. Yes they pay poorly but does most retail stores. And as far as benefits go, lots of corporation offer little to no benefits. My point is Hillary being on the board of that company is no worse than being on the board of Bank of America.
I do not see the people being in charge again, if there is a melt down, they will declare Marshall law and we will be slaves to the corporations with a dictator like Bush.
sal(the original)
oh Obama the politician in you shines bright(yes Obama lovers he’s another one,shallow “change”)
SM
All of you sound like broken records….its actually funny. After 6 months you are screaming babies.
One thing is for sure, your opposition kicks your ass at being united. They were calling Senators on Capital Hill yesterday like mad over the Matthew Shepard Act.
It’s hilarious how mad you are at Obama…it has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with the millions of your supporters that do nothing.
SM
Republicans will literally crash the phone lines and fax lines to their Senators and Representatives when it comes to passing legislation in Washington like immigration and LGBT issues
I sugguest you all figure out how to do the same.
M Shane
Bill Perdue is cerrtainly right with regard to Hillary and Walmart and the origins of this whole mess. The pathetic fact is that Americans have lazily sat by and watch Big Corps incuce wars, knock out prductivity in the U.S.; Privatize everything and everybody to the extent that %1 of the populatoin controls all the assets. We have fought 30 warrs since WW2 removing democracies around the world and replacing our dictators: e..g. Pinochet, Suharto, Sadam.
The American people have passively fucked themselves into this mess.
I seriously don’t ho0wever know how anyone but a revolutionary could do differently than Obama, everything is so out of whack
His weak point from our standpoint is that he was put in office by antigay religious blacks and liberals who thought that was cool, and has to tread slowly around them.
He never promised marriage or anything but Civil Unions, and I doubt that you will get more. Everyon keeps forgeting that the Congress is right wing from bottom to top.
Tony Kushner was right in saying (I think this is right): The people who wereliberals are now thought radical, the radicals thought crazy: the moderates thought reactionary and the insane level minded Consevatives.
M Shane
(p.s.excuse my typing) The people who are rabid about DADT aren’t quite on top of the fact that this country has been a WAR MACHINE since WW2 and the Military could take over so eazily that a coup could hapen before we know it. Damn the Constitution! The only thing this country makes anymore is armaments. Every senator, some of the most liberal, has a vested interest in keeping the military a monstrosity and would scream bloody murder if bases were shut down in thier states.
As yourselves: why is General Mullen, who is no adminiatrator making presidential like pronouncements about DADT, which is none of his business?
Bill Perdue
@InExile: Wal-Mart is far worse than BoA.
If you like them so much why not visit the next union organmizng meeting for Wal-Mart workers and tell them the same line of BS you told me.
When they offer to give you the shoes off their feet don’t forget to duck. [img]http://www.whiterabbitcult.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/end-of-conference-shoes-thrown-at-bush.jpg[/img]
SM
This man could have been your President.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCafWkBx-z0
InExile
@SM: None of us wanted a man, we wanted Hillary!
InExile
@SM: NOT A PEEP FROM OBAMA ON HATE CRIMES! FUNNY, STILL NO LEADERSHIP!
SM
@InExile:
That’s a lie. But you seem to like posting them 🙂
It’s a FACT Obama put the weight of his administration behind the Matthew Shepard Act months ago. Its the Senate and YOU that are lazy and think Obama is a damn dictator.
Stop being such a liar.
SM
@InExile:
It’s Hilarious you bash Obama on Hate Crimes legislation when Queerty has not giving ONE OF THEIR HEADLINES TO PROVIDING INFORMATION ON MAKING SURE IT PASSES.
Queerty has the platform to help you all out…and they DO NOT.
It’s Obamas fault though~
InExile
@SM: I am well aware of the games the Senate is playing but you must admit, Obama has shown no leadership on hate crimes legislation, publicly anyway. Private Cocktail parties do not count as leadership.
Where is the speech on equality like the one on racism? Oh, that’s right, the speech on racism was to benefit HIM.
SM
@InExile:
Queerty’s headlines are dedicated to naked guys in the bathroom instead of the FACT YOU ALL COULD HAVE FEDERAL HATE CRIMES LEGISALTION PASSED THIS WEEK.
You all are the idiots.
InExile
@SM: We have written EVERYONE on hate crimes, DADT, DOMA, ENDA, UAFA and on and on. Why should Queerty bother?
WITHOUT LEADERSHIP, WE CAN CALL AND WRITE ALL WE WANT AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.
Landon Bryce
Thanks for the reminder, SM– I’ve already called my Senators and Reid’s office to say thanks for his recent support on this and DADT. I hope everyone else will take the time to do the same.
SM
@InExile:
It’s absolutely amusing how you all want Federal Laws passed and people to take your civil rights issues seriously when you all don’t do it.
From looking at this website, I would think the Matthew Shepard Act is no big deal at all.
InExile
@InExile: I will ask again: Where is the speech on equality like the one on racism?
InExile
@SM: Maybe to some, but not to me! I have already written and called. We can call all we want, there are iisues with this bill like the F-22’s that can derail it, call’s won’t help.
SM
The base of the Republican party is absolutely nuts about writing, faxing, and calling their Senators and Represntatives. They do it by the millions when something is up for a vote. I think they have actually crashed the phone lines in DC over immigration reform. Your opposition brags about it.
Its something you all need to get used to asking others to do because they will go nuts over DADT and DOMA. Just put your Congress on speed dial and get comfortable asking others to write, fax, and call. I think you would be amazed at the progress if LGBT and their supporters were united by that simple act.
InExile
@SM: I have been writing them all for the past 2 years non-stop. They always seem to do what is best for THEM, not us. This is why I keep saying we need LEADERSHIP from the top. Bush seemed to always get what he wanted no matter how crazy it was with less of a majority than the democrats now have. Obama tries to be all things to all people which is rapidly eroding his base. If he does not start leading, he will continue to sink in the polls even if the job losses start to slow down and if the economy would start to improve.
SM
@InExile:
You think calls won’t help? If the MILLIONS of people just in California who voted No On Prop 8 picked up a phone line and called their Senator on DADT it would not help? Multiply that by the other states.
Be mad at “we the people who are silent” Be mad at conservative small towns that fight against you. Be mad at the Mormon Church.
Oh and flipping Huffington Post does more critial blogging than Queerty Bashing on LGBT issues.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-doody/why-attaching-the-hate-cr_b_236360.html
SM
The National Organization for Marriage opened an office in Washington DC this week to fight DOMA.
Did Queerty mention that either? Do they even care?
Two huge stories that are serious towards your civil rights issues this week in DC and it does not seem like you all care.
SM
Go listen to Obama’s speaking to the NAACP now.
He is speaking for you!
TANK
@SM:
“we need our young people stimulated…”
Pervert.
SM
@TANK:
nah….he is just a Class Act President who will stick up for your rights not matter how pathetic you act towards him.
TANK
@SM:
So now he’s advocating child abuse? Tsk tsk, president obama!
SM
@TANK:
Tank, You don’t interest me. If you want to argue with someone, I found you the perfect place to organize a protest. Right across the street from this place.
http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=omL2KeN0LzH&b=5075187&content_id=%7B86CDEC86-B920-4508-8835-9173D478DB90%7D¬oc=1
TANK
@SM:
This is empty propaganda. I want action, okay. NOt scmucks like you blaming gay people for homophobia in this country and social injustice. YOu’ll never be a fierce advocate, and neither will your messiah. RESULTS, not rhetoric.
Now have you noticed that depending on the crowd, obama gets more black?
SM
@TANK:
The President of the United States just gave a speech to the NAACP Convention in New York and told the crowd LGBT people were still discriminated against and laws still need to change.
Stop being bitter Obama has the ability to get their respect when you can’t.
TANK
@SM:
ANd he can do something instead of talking about it. He can issue a stop loss on DADT. He needs to do that immediately.
TANK
He stop giving virulent toxic religious homophobes like rick warren credibility, and issuing highly offensive DOJ DOMA briefs comparing gay relationships to incest and bestiality.
TANK
He’s a compelling speaker. I’d be loathe to disagree with that. But so far…that’s all he is. And his actions (and those of his administration) have been terrible in contrast to his political rhetoric on substantive issues concerning lgbt americans.
SM
@TANK:
Blah blah blah…
If bitter, hate tactics like yours worked, McCain and Palin would be ruling Washington right now.
There is a reason why Americans took a chance and voted for the first African American named Barack Hussein Obama.
TANK
@SM:
BDSM, eat cake.
SM
@TANK:
Obama went to Saddleback and spoke out against homophobia. Learn to fact check.
It amazes me how you all underestimate Obamas ability to bring social change to this country.
It cracks me up how you all think if Obama speaks to someone he has their view. WTF!
TANK
@SM:
Eat cake, dildobrain. Yeah, it amazes you? Well, after that DOJ doma brief and reiterating his stance against same sex marriage, it shouldn’t.
InExile
@SM: You keep bringing up Prop 8, the fact is prop 8 would not have passed if Obama was not so outspoken about being against marriage equality. Supporters of Prop 8 used Obama’s own voice and words in robo calls to get voters to vote in favor of Prop 8. If you are going to “campaign” for Obama, the last thing you should use is Prop 8. In fact, we can thank Obama for the passage of Prop 8, once again, no leadership, just words and innuendo which obviously everyone does not understand.
M Shane
@IN EXILE’ I have been writing them all for the past 2 years non-stop. They always seem to do what is best for THEM, not us. This is why I keep saying we need LEADERSHIP from the top. Bush seemed to always get what he wanted no matter how crazy it was with less of a majority than the democrats now have.”
Clearly you, like a lot of American’s would be happiest with a dictator or King. That is , of course why Bush pulled the Constitution apart stem from stern. We are making it clear to the world that nearly no one is willing or able to live in a democracy.
Your view is at the heart of Fascism. Indeed if Obama wants to, Bush made it clear in the 2006 Patriot Act that he (the president) has the ability to declare Martial Law. So there ya go! He did so many unconstitutional things the U.S looked like a Nazi boot camp.
Do a little more research and you will discover that democracy cannot, has not been able to, exist in a purely unregulated corporatist state. We’re nearly there, so hold your breath a bit. It is the lacksidsical citizenry who have destroyed this form of government. Foreigners regard our promise of freedom as a joke, despite the propaganda. You would suffocate in the time it takes for even the illusion of Democracy to disappear.
Just hope that who is deciding has your interests in mind and not your extermination.
MEANWHILE I’M WRITTING AND CALLING EVERY DAY AND
TRUSTING THAT THIS REPUBLIC CAN BE SAVED.
InExile
@M Shane: I do not want a dictator like Bush. But the fact is Bush showed leadership in getting his party to pass his agenda, Obama has not. Obama tries to be all things to all people which never works. How can he support LGBT people and still get the religious right vote he seems to work for? This man is a salesman, not a leader.
Quack
Didn’t Hillary make a policy speech? Why didn’t Queerty post a “Hillary Clinton Has 5,000 Words for the World, Not One of them About the Faggots” item?
When will Queerty change its motto to “Every Gay Village Needs an Idiot?” so we can be done with it?
SM
@TANK:
I like carrot cake with extra frosting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2epf5G3v3o
InExile
@Quack: Hillary Clinton is a true leader, unfortunately she has to live under the O-bus umbrella, she is not a satellite operation.
WillBFair
Excuse me for trying to plug up the bile for three seconds, but can we get back to the original question?
Bill Clinton supports marraige now because he’s not in office, and the polls show the majority oppose gay marraige. They support domestic partnership instead. It’s a fantastic concession BY the majority. Got that? THEY SUPPORT DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP NATIONALLY.
But let’s not be practical about it, go for an easy victory, and move on to more important issues. Let’s keep spitting venom at each other, pretending politicians are saints, and attacking even our best freinds because they can’t work miracles.
Please. Grow the f— up.
SM
You all are in denial in you think Obama cannot bring social change to this country.
The problem is LGBT cannot communicate. Obama does not react like you want him to and it makes you mad. Does not mean he is not supporting you. He just has a different strategy. Obama makes chess moves. Everyone wants a checkers player…bam bam bam…and he has never done that.
He did the right thing today and I’m glad the Huffington Post is giving him the headline for it. Queerty didn’t
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
SM
@WillBFair:
Do you want a President who supports gay marriage or a President who knows how to win politics to help you? You all amaze me.
http://www.cleveland.com/fiveohios/plaindealer/index.ssf?/fiveohios/more/1099571475228870.html
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
They make a hot couple!
Sarah-Darah Palin!