Did Cher Really Praise Anti-Gay Minister Joel Osteen On Twitter?

Cher’s long been a fierce and verbose, if not extremely articulate, Twitter star: She’s taken to the micro-blog tool to root on her son Chaz, knock Republican hopeful Mitt Romney and share her opinion on a million other topics.

But now the queen has confused her subjects with a recent tweet praising super-minister Joel Osteen, who has criticized homosexuals as “not God’s best work” and compared taming same-sex urges to anger management.

After buying Osteen’s most recent book, Cher, who has more than 700,000 followers on the site, tweeted:

“I love Joel Osteen, hes example of Christian!He makes Every1 feel welcome 2 his church no matter who they R!1st book like this I ever bought.

“I know this Sounds CRAZY Coming From ME,But he’Cool,UpBeat,wants u 2 have Fun,He’sFunny & Not Preachy! don’t care if ppl think I’m UnCool!”

When a fan reminded Cher that Osteen is “pretty uncool” about gays, the legendary diva became distraught.

“But IM NOT!Proved this my WHOLE LIFE! We have a BOND! Christians hav hard time,but WE COULD HELP CHANGE THIS.”

“In my lifetime ive seen many things change ! When i was young it was against law 2 b Gay,4 blk & white 2 mary,women 2 control their Bodies, 4 gays to get married & on & on! Chaz could be out & loved! Anything can change when we make ppl c us loving human beings!”

A fair point, but then why didn’t Cher tweet originally tweet that she thought Osteen had something good to share and that she hoped he could evolve on his position on the LGBT community?

Some have begun to question if perhaps Cher’s account has been hacked. The “Believe” singer was herself the recipient of some ugly words from someone who hacked R&B singer Chris Brown’s Twitter feed.

If it’s indeed her, Cher’s final messages, from Monday evening, seem to indicate she’s quitting Twitter:

“If u can cut me loose because i think we can change what pple believe today then my heart is broken! Maybe im naive to believe everything can change but gay pple have stayed w/me through 40 yrs when every1 else left! If i broke our bond & u hav no love 4 me anymore this is my last txt.

“U hav been my best Friends!My Heart has broken MANYx’s because ive lost 1 of U!I hav Sat w/U til last your LAST BREATH! I will ALWAYS LUV U.”

Silly Cher, that’s Whitney’s song!

But, seriously, some fans have started the hashtag #PleaseDontLeaveCher to keep her on Twitter. And we support it—after all, her feed is gold to bloggers like us.

Source: Kenneth in the 212

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  • EmmaMTF

    Sounds like the intern controlling her Twitter account was given a copy of that book and had a LIEK OMG JESIS R T3H GREET3ST moment.

  • Daez

    @EmmaMTF: It could certainly be possible that Cher had no clue that Olsteen was such a homophobic ass. Not everyone, even in the gay community, makes it their mission to know who is anti-gay and who is not. Not everyone watches The View.

  • MikeE

    it’s very possible she had no idea he was homophobic.
    she DOES say that she “read his book”. not that she attended his sermons or met him.
    maybe his book DOES contain good things. it IS a possibility.
    take out the murdering and raping and misogyny and homophobia in the Bible (along with all the wrong translations!) and there ARE some good things in there.

  • cam

    Cher oloves her gay fans, but when her daughter (At the time) came out as a lesbian (Before later coming out as a transgendered male), Chaz admitted that her mother had real problems with it.

    I think Cher doesn’t think about gays. So she reads the guys book, likes what he says and doesn’t give a thought to anything gay. Then somebody points it out to her and she quickly comes up with an excuse and tap dances around it.

    Based on Cher’s past I don’t think this is too surprising. I don’t think she agrees with the guy on gays, I just don’t think that what is good or bad for gays really occurs to her on a daily basis.

  • Tommy

    I guess it’s possible that she didn’t know, but that makes it look like she doesn’t follow the news very much and is kind of ignorant. He’s been on CNN numerous times and the host on there always challenges him on his anti-gay views. It’s not like he’s some obscure preacher who’s not covered by the national media.

  • Baba Booey

    I honestly think Cher didn’t know he was anti-gay, but met him and was smitten. Celeb’s live in bubbles. She should backtrack and say, “HIs views are unfortunate, and maybe I should reconsider them. He’s a nice person, but maybe not that nice.” Her daughter is transgender, and she’s bisexual (is she not?).

  • WillBFair

    I didn’t know that Osteen was a phobe. Not everyone follows celebrity culture.
    But Osteen’s shallow spirituality is perfect for the Hollywood set, and it’s no wonder Cher was smitten. Now that she knows the score, she’ll probably find a way to backtrack.
    A tempest in a teapot.

  • cam


    Perfectly said.

  • NateOcean

    You know how when you give a guy a cum facial, and you get some of the spray in their eyes, and they kinda get all blinky and squinty at the same time? And your semen becomes almost like a lash-thickening mascara? That reminds me of Osteen’s eyes. Just sayin’.

  • Bipolar Bear

    Osteen’s homophobia is mild compared to most bugnutty preachers. “Not God’s best work” is ripe for putting on a T-shirt, I think. And on the back, “I was talking about you”.

  • Jake

    <3 Cher she is a true ally to LGBT people!

  • SFMatt

    Emma MTF Cher is dyslexic. I agree that she’s always been an ally to LGBT people.

  • Analog

    @snowisfun: Is there anything else you think should be prohibited?
    I’m writing this down.
    When you say “No analingus, etc”, what exactly do you mean by “etc”, pls?

  • NateOcean

    @snowisfun: Can you boil this all down?
    Yes, yes, I follow you to the point about Osteen being a transexual. But which way? MTF? or FTM?

  • Dumb Cher

    Cher’s never exactly been the smartest person. Did she really think that a televangelist preacher was going to be pro-gay? Come on! And the fact that when someone called her out about him being anti-gay and she says, “But I’m not!” shows how dumb she is. If she’s so pro-gay, why is she praising an anti-gay preacher? Dumb Cher. She needs to stay off Twitter before she looks anymore stupid.

  • Cam


    And your reasoning? You claim you aren’t Judeo Christian. The fact that you are afraid to name your actual religion even though your wording makes it obvious speaks volumes for what a sad self hating person you are.


    Being black, left-handed or being gay is just as natural. Bibles and the torah which includes leviticus 18:22 should be immediately banned for promoting hatred against minorities; namely the gay community and the crosses removed from all schools and churches.

    The evil writings in Leviticus 18:22 against gays depict; rules for temple rituals or “P” … Priestly Rules & expanded by the pope; homophobes and religious frauds to attack the gay community and never meant to apply to the public but to priests. Leviticus exists in the old testament & torah.

    “It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people? Such a wicked fantasy.” To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and our lives is shameful.

    It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return … it is something that should be celebrated! If it is between two guys or girls all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

  • 1equalityUSA

    she should be tweeting that a hundred and a half of utah’s finest quit the cult all at one time. it made the news, but not here on this site. big news

  • 1equalityUSA

    snowfun, I’m glad I don’t know you and I wouldn’t want to go backpacking with such a fucktard, snow or no snow. Go away in a big hurry. Find something else to do with your extremely addle mind. Your wet dreams scare you, but being extreme during your waking hours won’t make them go away.

  • B

    Regarding the article’s coomment, “A fair point, but then why didn’t Cher tweet originally tweet that she thought Osteen had something good to share and that she hoped he could evolve on his position on the LGBT community?”

    Aside from what some others pointed out – that she may not have known he had a homophobic position – it’s hard to tag such a caveat as Queerty’s article suggests onto a tweet and stay within Twitter’s 140 character limit.

  • Frances

    when joel said that he would not marry gays but he would attend a gay wedding. that is what Oprah and that he had gay friends and i don’t trust is T.D. Jakes. i wonder if he had HIV out reach andn kill spirit easy. when newly +

  • Rob S.

    I wonder if this fan is aware that Osteen is not “such a homophobic ass” and, in fact, has lots of gays that attend his services, my partner included. What’s more, most of the comments on this thread are more full of hate than he could ever be.

  • robert marc post

    i have had positive feelings about joel osteen, but i did not know he had issues with homosexuality. if its a few comments maybe he did not define himself properly. he could believe gay people are not gods best work and also believe most straight people are not gods best work also. Nevertheless, his general message is that on inclusion, perhaps dilutedly so. if he is indeed “anti-gay” then he needs pressure put on him. As far as I know, he is very pro-himself, and would not like to be perceived as anti-gay.

  • Marjorie 0120

    Cher should never open her mouth unless it’s to sing, she’s very inarticulate and comes across as none too bright.

  • Ogre Magi

    She is a nice person, but I have never thought she was the sharpest tool in the shed

  • snowisfun

    To Analog & Nateocean, homo/lesbian sexual behaviors are comparable to crack smoking & I have a slogan which is called Drugs are Gay starring Methew Wayne Shepard a true story (no, not his killing) which to bring down drug junkyism, warn that using any drugs is comparble to pot smoking, crack & other drugs with Methew Wayne Shepard’s true story of him being a junky who mixed Ecstasy with anti-depressants. With etc., I also mean scat, cunnilingus, anal sex, etc. Gay/lesbian sexual behaviors are useless & worthless. Minister Joel Osteen is against sex change maimings whether it’s male to female or female to male. Transexuals as I wrote are worse than the homos so I’d support a law making it a crime to do sex changes.

    As to religion, I’m not Judeo-Christian as I said. I’m pro-choice on abortion & if it could be unborn baby would be a transexual like Chastity Bono, then go ahead & abort because it’s same as aborting baby with Down Syndrome. Yes, many people who share my view against sex change maimings are Judeo-Christians but there’s nothing wrong with them using religion to justify their views. Anyhow remember this slogan-DRUGSAREGAY & Elton Toilet John is who he should be called. Cher doesn’t have any talent. Hope it answers.

  • Victor A.

    I’m a proud, out Gay Man. I am also a non-conservative Christian, I study Kabbalah AND I have grown and been helped through difficult times by Joyce Meyers & her message/preaching. She has stated, “I believe the Bible,so of course I believe that homosexual sex is a sin. I Love the sinner, not the Sin”.
    Obviously I disagree with her stance on this matter. That doesn’t mean I should throw the baby out with the bathwater. her, (hopefully evolving views) do not negate the tremendous positive impact her work has had on my life. It was listening to her messages that helped me survive a bad patch of drug experimentation that nearly destroyed my life and did immeasurable damage and caused pain to the people who Love me the most. I don’t believe Joel Osteen or Joyce Meyer are at the extreme end of the Christian Religious Right Spectrum. They rarely, if ever preach only issue. The topic is usually only discussed on popular media news programs.

    Joyce Meyer has come out publicly AGAINST the heinous anti-Gay legislation in Uganda. I did stop donating to her ministry when I discovered her husband was involved in legislation which is damaging to the Civil Liberties of Americans, LGBTQ, STR8, People of Faith, People of Color, Atheists.

    We all don’t have to agree on everything to get along, live and love one another.

    Blessings & Light,
    Victor Arellano

  • 1equalityUSA

    “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.” –Gandhi.

  • Analog

    @snowisfun: So that’s no to crack.
    I’ve only just bought a new pipe as well. :(

    Anything else?
    Just to be clear, when you say “With etc., I also mean scat, cunnilingus, anal sex, etc,” what exactly do you mean by the second “etc”, please?
    I find it’s easier for everyone if you’re specific when telling people what they can and can’t do.
    For instance, are you okay with nasalingus?
    Surely the subtle stimulation of one man’s septum by the tongue of another man is barely more than an expression of friendship?
    Who could find this offensive???
    Which leads me to my second concern: hand shaking. How long can two men legitimately hold hands in the commonly accepted method of social greeting before it’s considered “petting”?
    I mean, more than five minutes and you’re basically masturbating each other’s hands, aren’t you?

  • snowisfun

    @Analog: Analog, holding hands for an under 10 second hand shake is fine. Doing it for 10 minutes bad. Didn’t know what nasalingus is but you educated-no to that.

    If Cher’s daughter were simply lesbian Chastity Bono who wasn’t harassing others with her lesbian activities then it’s 1 thing. But her being maimed to become fake man is bad. Mr. Joel Osteen to my knowledge hasn’t discussed ‘gay panic defense’ but here is my thoughts to repeat. If a gay/lesbian is not bothering any1, then leave them alone though I see something wrong with gay/lesbian activities. But if a homosexual is going to be anti-social such as harass other men in public restrooms, expose himself or commit assault&battery by pinching man’s butt or groin against will, then there’s no need for a man to take the abuse & if a man reacts violently in those cases, then he did so in reaction to a crime the gay did. If gays want to have sex, then do it in their own house or go to a motel room. If a gay is going to ask others for sex in public restrooms, then I don’t sympathise with the gay if he gets bashed because the bathroom is the place to use the toilet & wash up. Hope that answers.

  • Alexi3

    I don’t believe Cher had any idea Joel held these views and given his very watered-down, everybody being happy and rich version of the evangelical message it’s more than a little strange that he does. I would not be too surprised if he changes his views at some point. From what I’ve seen he’s not nearly so shrill on the topic as say, some Southern Baptists and from his general all inclusive writing one would never guess he had anything against gay people or anyone else. He does, but, unless you heard or read one of the times he has referenced gay issues it is not something you would infer. I’ve loved Cher since I was a child; still do and give her every benefit of a doubt.

  • 1equalityUSA

    Manny Pacquiao, tighten your chin strap and quit blogging under snowisfun

  • Analog

    @snowisfun: You’re clearly here to defend Osteen, dear. You seem obsessed by two things: gay sex and “Mr. Joel Osteen” – check the submissive title.
    Why not go and suck his cock and give us a break, eh? :)

  • Analog

    @snowisfun: No to nasalingus. :(

  • LuckyLaneUnLtd

    @snowisfun: Really? Worse? Did you know that there are species of SeaHorses that spontaneously change from Male to Female then back again? And, males can be impregnated and carry children? I this is a different life form, but God created everything and there is nothing new under the sun. What commandment was handed down to call yourself better or another person worse? Is your name etched on the tablets of the 10 Commandments? Shame on you for calling anybody “worse”. I am not transgender, but I will not stand for humans creating a hierarchy of who is better. Throwing stones… shame on you! -VA.

  • Gay Bacon

    Um Osteen never said anything “Anti-Gay” until WE pushed him on it. and he rarely preaches on it. His message is almost always a positive message and focuses on stuff like “Help your neighbor” no matter even if your neighbor is seen by people as a sinner. All the other bigot preachers never cup their teeth and blow about how he never talks about the repercussions of sinning, going to hell, yada yada yada…

    Anyway, I like Osteen if you can’t already tell. I don’t even know if he’s said whether or not he thinks gay is inborn or a choice. But I know he has said that stuff like they are all sinners and he doesn’t turn anyone away. According to some Christian religions like Catholics, you are born out of sin(having sex) and so you get Baptized as a newborn! So it’s whatever. Unless he starts saying, lets criminalize gay and put them concentration camps like many others, then I don’t care. Live and let live.

  • snowisfun

    @LuckyLaneUnLtd: Again, you’re talking to some1 who is not Christian. Yes, I know male seahorses are those who get pregnant & give birth. But that is nature. But that’s getting off topic. Chastity Bono was surgically mutilated to become a fake man. What they should’ve done is try to cure her GID or better treat it, not mutilate her to make her a fake man. Sex changes are a sad science waste which happens because science knows how to do it. With homosexuality, even if sexual orientation doesn’t changes, it’s best for people to celibate from gay/lesbian sexual behaviors as gay/lesbian sexual behaviors are useless & worthless.

  • Analog

    @snowisfun: It might be worth keeping your posts short, dear.
    They’ll all be deleted when the moderators get online and you’ll have wasted all that effort. :(

  • Hephaestion

    Cher obviously didn’t know Osteen’s stance on gays. She should call him and ask him his stance on gay marriage or gays getting into heaven. She will disagree with him on those things, I’m sure.

    She really should call him. He will take her call.

  • TJ

    She’s Cher, she can tweet and say whatever the hell she wants.

  • Rob S.

    @Hephaestion: Not much point, is there? I mean, to the perpetually miserable queens that make up the Gay Inc. Victim Class®, anyone who doesn’t go home with them for a few hours automatically homophobic. Unless, of course, you have that “D” after your name in which case you can be homophobic but get a pass.

  • Hag

    @TJ Yes, she can tweet and say whatever she wants, but when you post shyt on Twitter for the world to read, everyone has a right to comment on it. It goes both ways.

  • LuckyLaneUnLtd

    Personally, I think Joel O’Steen and Joyce Meyer are swell! They give practical no-nonsense wisdom to help people with day to day real life issues. I also adore Cher and respect her daughter’s choice to live helife amd alter the form of her physical temple that God gave her to live in.
    No offense to overweight people.

    But I am curious to know howmany people who are huffing n puffing about Chaz Bono’s sex change have altered their bodys as a result of gluttony. Again, no offense to Chazz (prio to the gender transition, she had already altered her body with a weight problem)… but it seems hat twestern culture’s glut/obesity problem is never addressed as “sin”. How convenient, even as billions of people go hungry in this wealthy empire and around the world. What is that saying about “…people in glass houses should not throw stones…”? I’ve been called a fa**ot by many who live in glass houses. Peace to you all, whether we see eye to eye or not. -VA.

  • WillBFair

    @cam: Thanks.

  • Randy

    Osteen welcomes anyone WITH A CHECKBOOK to his church

  • UsualPlayers

    When I am reading a book by an author about non-fictional material or inspiration, I tend to look up that author and what they belief

    But that’s because I like to be informed.

    Not surprised she isn’t, but as always with the cult of celebrity in this country, I am surprised by how much people defend that ignorance

  • James M. Martin

    Is he really anti-gay? I think he is just squishy. That is how he comes off in interviews on TV, squishy. He is a puppet of his old lady, Victoria I think her name is. Their relationship is Victoria’s secret, that the bosses him around like he has a bull ring in his nose. There might even be a bit of a sissy inside. He comes off that way on screen. I think someone should introduce him to Ted.

  • LadyL

    @snowisfun: #32: Seriously–you’re saying that if a gay man comes on to a straight man, then that straight man is perfectly justified in–how did you put it?–“reacting violently” against him? And by “reacting violently” I assume you mean beating the gay guy down? How severe a beating is correct in this social situation? Is “to death” going too far? Because as I’m sure your’re aware, that’s happened a lot.
    In terms of social etiquette then, where on a scale of 1 to 10 would you place a straight man coming on to a gay man, going home with him, and then beating the gay man to death or nearly so, and for good measure robbing him? That’s happened kind of a lot, too.
    And finally, all things being equal, what in your estimation is the correct response of a woman, gay or straight, being harassed by a straight man? I don’t mean outright sexual assault, which of course is always wrong (Isn’t it? Hello?). I’m talking about a straight guy who assumes that because he’s attracted to a woman she’s obligated to respond the way he wants her to, and he won’t stop pinching and grabbing and making rude comments about various parts of her anatomy, etc., etc.– how severe a violent reaction is permissible there? Because, this kind of thing goes on quite a lot. Please advise.

  • James

    She is beyond dumb and incoherent. Yeah, we need this old hag to guide us.

  • Peter

    Great. She is gone. Maybe she can put some time into her writing skills and forming and intelligent thought. As it is, she is a washed up singer who keeps popping up for her “final” tour. To the graveyard granny.

  • Que

    Whats worse /~) About Them And All The Homosexuaality Came From Gereek and Roman Culture!You Mwee4ntion Heteroseaxual Sex but nothing about marriage becuse me you both no marriage was a cover up for downlowmen Like You In Oder To Spread Homosexual Male anal Sex!And Plus Who Ever Comes OUT Of closet Are brave And Week People Hide Behind Heterosexaul Men And Woman cCFaausing Domestic Violence againce some Men And Most Woman By Staaight Looking And Appearing Men On Downlow Like You Who Gay Bash!People Need To Stop Using Religion To Justify Hate Because Is Love and Gays Are Only Mention A couple times in The Bible By Mqan Name Kin James whos On The Down Low!So with That being Said Some People coose to be Gay anfd some Born That way just Need DNA text To Prove it to humans and People Than Will Question God And Not Gys!And Jesus Never Had Heterosexaul Sex According the bible Nore Mary A Virgin and Joseph! What If Everything You Been taught Was truth With Twisted Lies Or assumpttions Bedcause you Nor i Reallly Know!

  • 1equalityUSA

    That Mayan prediction can’t come soon enough.

  • snowisfun

    @LadyL: It has been my observation that many to most gay bashings are men reacting to crimes the gays did. If a gay is going to ask a man for sex in the public restroom after which the man reacts by hitting the gay in the face, then that gay committed a crime harassment for which he got hit. Kids use the bathroom & those situations are unpredictable because you don’t know the gay’s history-has he committed violent assault&battery on others in the bathroom & if the gay is high on drugs, then you don’t know his intentions. Also what do you define as straight? Sexual orientation to me is a small topic because I use old fashioned definition sexual behavior not orientation, which means that if some1 knowing & willfully takes part in same sex behaviors, then he is homosexual. But to more on what you wrote.

    If a gay proposes in a bar (I almost never drink alcohol) or party, then the right thing to do is say no. If however the gay repeatedly proposes to the man incl. following him into the lot, then it’s criminal harassment & a man has a right to use any just force to end it-perhaps punch the gay in the nose. Again this situation is unpredictable because the gay was told no, but still is proposing including following you into the lot. Man doesn’t know the gay’s history such as has this gay attacked others in the lot after he was told no & if the gay is high on drugs, he could get violent. Though deadly force would be harder to justify a case could be made that a man who kills a gay who has repeatedly proposed after the gay was told no was self-defending esp. if the gay was high on drugs or if the gay had past history of violent assault&battery or even homosexual rape.

    If a gay is going to pinch a man’s ass or groin against his will, well the gay has committed assault&battery (if intent isn’t sexual) to something more serious such as sex abuse (if intent is). A man should have a right to protect himself by hitting the gay in the face. With your 2nd paragraph, while there are anecdotal cases where that has happened, I don’t believe that happens because it’s gay/lesbian groups who are saying it. With 3d paragraph, if a man is going to harass a woman by proposing repeatedly after she said no & follow her into the lot, then the man is committing a crime & the woman has a right to end this harassment whether it’s call the cops or hit him in the face. If a man is going to pinch a woman’s butt or boobs against her will, then the man is committing a crime & woman has a right to use any just force to end this. There have been cases where women have accused men of rape & sexual harassment, the man was beaten up or even killed by the woman or her friends & it was later proven the man was innocent. In the 2006 Duke Hoax, there were people ready to lynch the men accused but it was proven CG Mangum made up story of being raped.

    My main idea is that I’m against starting fights. If a gay isn’t bothering any1, then leave him alone though I see something wrong with gay/lesbian activities. But if a gay is going to be anti-social in the ways described such as himself or ask a man for sex in a public restroom, then there is no need for a man to tolerate the gay’s anti-social conduct & the man has a right to use any just force to end it & then call the police to have the gay arrested. I don’t want gays having sex in public restrooms. If you see nothing wrong with this, then that is wrong. Each case has to be judged individually & a jury decides after hearing both the prosecutor & the defense lawyer.

  • 1equalityUSA

    snowfun, you need to stop thinking so much about these scenarios playing over and over and over in your head. Much effort and thought went into these sexually explicit fantasies you’ve conjured up. Put down the fritos and go run off your aching loins. You are too into it, girl. Whoa. Your parents did a number on you. You need to take up a sport, work out at the gym (but watch out for the shower rooms…perhaps shower at home, when your mom won’t hear you running the water for an inordinately long time.) Just find a friend and confide in it. Blow up dolls don’t count.

  • Making up stuff is fun!

    @snowisfun: Trolls everywhere shall worship at your altar. Right now, your only real competition is GOPProud.

  • snowisfun

    @1equalityUSA: This site says that no personal attacks but what you wrote is ad hominem-besides I don’t have blow up dolls & I don’t eat Fritos-happen to be a vegetarian since October 2003 though won’t become vegan as I like eating dairy & eggs. Last time I had fish was on Monday Sept. 29, 2003, when I was in Paris France. I do work out in the gym & yes I do shower @ home so no need to worry about me showering @ the gym. But 1equalityUSA, I’m not to repeat Judeo-Christian. My parents came from mostly Hindu India (Hinduism is neutral on homosexuality) but I see something wrong with gayism/lesbianism & I to repeat want to abolish sex changes as what happened to Chastity Bono was a maiming. You didn’t offer a serious rebuttal to my post but made ad hominem. Why don’t you be honest & admit that neutrally discussing gayism/lesbianism is not what you care about such as you don’t care in gay bashing cases if the gay was high on drugs or committing assault&battery. I know these cases 1st hand because I once knew a case where a man bashed a gay. I asked him why he did it & he said that he was in a park, a gay who was much bigger than him grabbed his ass, the man told his 2 friends what the gay did who then brought the gay to him & the man bashed the gay by hitting him in the face 3 times. As I see it, the gay committed assault&battery by pinching the man’s ass & the man reacted to the gay’s assault&battery by bashing the gay. Yes, the man should’ve called the cops but he did react to crime the gay did.

  • snowisfun

    @Making up stuff is fun!: What’s GOPProud? I’m neither Republican nor Democrat & I haven’t voted for a politician since the 2004 Presidential Elections. I’m some1 who uses my own creativity whether it’s my view that they should abolish sex change maimings or the fact that gay/lesbian sexual behaviors are comparable to drug junkyism. Please educate because I’m a non-political person.

  • Making up stuff is fun!

    @snowisfun: OK, let me just butt in to set a little matter straight.

    An insult is not the same thing as an ad hominem.

    If I say, “Your argument is wrong because of X, you ginormous dildo,” that’s not an ad hominem. It’s an argument followed by an insult.

    If I say, “You’re a demented douchenozzle if you actually believe the crap you write,” that’s not an ad hominem, that’s just me marveling at what a demented douchenozzle you are.

    If, however, I say: “You’re an uneducated nitwit, so your argument must be false,” THAT’s an ad hominem: I’m using one of your personal traits — that you’re an uneducated nitwit — to discredit the argument you’re putting forward.

    Are you clear on the distinction between insult and ad hominem now?

  • snowisfun

    @Making up stuff is fun!: Ok, what you’re saying is ad hominem is an insult but an insult isn’t an ad hominem. But the fact that you have to use insults proves you don’t have serious rebuttal. Your insults against me aren’t much different than an adult who hits a kid after the kid says a fact which the adult hates.

  • bruce

    Cher needs to shut up.

  • Making up stuff is fun!

    @snowisfun: Wow. Talk about missing the point.

  • UsualPlayers

    @snowisfun: actually he’s right about the definition of Ad Hom. You are misusing the terms, which is personal pet peeve of mine. If you want to say he doesn’t need to be insulting say that, but claiming its an ad hom just because its insulting you is not an accurate use of the definition.

    Someone is not required to be nice or civil to you in terms of reasoning. He’s right to say I can call a conservative- a fucking idiot for believing that so long as I provide why the argument itself is false. If a conservative says “all gays are pedophilles” I can say “you are are a fucking idiot for believing that because the data shows that the vast majority of pedos are straight males” My calling that person a fucking idiot does not mean I am using an ad hom against them because I am drawin g a conclusion based on my reasoning that rebuts their argument after the “because” You may not like it and indeed most online people don’t but its not illogical to make such a statement, and its not a logical fallacy to be rude

    this has a been a friendly discussion of what ad hom means

  • 1equalityUSA

    Who are you to say what other should and should not do? “Who’s next?” should be the next question in your mind. Today it’s oppressing LGBT using religious beliefs, who is next, snowfun?

  • Chuck

    “I love that crazy young televangilist with the hideous face, hoooooooooooo.”


    As DUMB as she can be sometimes I’m sure it was an innocent mistake but she needs to get a little more informed. Osteen has been VERY vocal about gays not being God’s Best. Get with it, CHER.


    @Gay Bacon: FUCK OFF TRAITOR.

  • Mike

    You can be Christian and gay…I should know, I’m both. Cher is allowed to like the way Osteen preaches without having to agree with him on every single issue. I think it’s very honest and open-minded of her to admit she likes him knowing there are many intolerant gays out there who will attack her for not talking smack about him. Rock on Cher!!

  • Gay Bacon

    @UsualPlayers: :D Thank You! Finally people with logic or maybe just a dictionary. Either way, very well put :)

  • Gay Bacon

    @FRIDA: Lol who exactly am I betraying and how?

  • Gay Bacon

    @UsualPlayers: Also just because someone believes homosexuality is a sin is by no means a condemnation to hell. In fact Christians believe you can’t go through life without sinning. A lot of churches take it to an extreme, but Olsteen doesn’t. Let’s not make an enemy of a guy who doesn’t attack us, I mean the guy has a mega church. Life in Houston would suck if that happened.

  • Diego

    I wish we could stop assailing allies and fighting friends. Cher is one, LGB and T inclusive, to include her son. We should focus our fight energy on those who oppose, not support, us. When a private correction is merited, do so, which gives our friends a chance to self-correct publicly. This tirade disallows that.

  • LuckyLaneUnLtd

    This is much ado about nothing! People should feel free to read, take in knowledge of all types, perspectives. Let a Free Thinking Mind filter out the good from the bad and treasure that may be buried underneath.

    Cher has sold well over 100,000,000 records, next to Madonna, Cher is the 2nd biggest selling female concert performer of all time, she has won an Academy Award for Best Actress, been a gigantic TV star, managed to stay pretty sane over a career spanning more than 40 years., away from drugs, doesn’t drink much, is outspoken, fun and…WELL… SHE IS F’ING CHER!

    She can read do or say whatever she wants and I commend her for taking in viewpoints that may differ from her own. Get over it people. She and all of you should read whatever you want to. Maybe even a Cher biography? Cher is a National Treasure! -VA.

  • LuckyLaneUnLtd

    @Diego: You got that right! These days society needs to come together, we are already coming apart = politically speaking. -VA.

  • LuckyLaneUnLtd

    @Mike: Christian AND GAY = Me too! The far religious right and media propaganda machines, certain false prophets have tried to speak for God and tell us the two don’t fit. A relationship with God is one-on-one. Thank you for your comment. -VA.

  • Thepainter53

    @NateOcean: Reading all these mages against Cher’s opinion, reminds me of why we Gays are being discriminated against. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, if you criticize with hatred, you become equal as the heterosexuals who hate us. And the same who discriminate against races, handicaps, minorities, ect. Act like professionals, and you may start to feel accepted for being a decent human being, not only because you are Gay. Like Cher, I like and listen to whoever I want, Gays or non- gays. We don’t have to live in a box.

  • Marjorie 0120


    Good post on all fronts. People come here out of curiosity and sometimes all they see are hate and vitriol against anyone who is not gay or a gay supporter. You can’t win friends by attacking them because they don’t agree with you on every front. All you do is send them away thinking what rude, crude people these gays are. Sadly they use this opinion to judge all gays, all the time and likely for all time.

  • Mk Ultra

    Olsteen is a huge phony.
    Fake teeth, fake hair, Botox everywhere and that huge fale smile.
    He lives a life of luxery by selling faith to fools.
    Talk about a charlatan.
    His opinion about gays certainly isn’t as innocent as some people posting here think.
    This is his job and his craft. He’s not gonna change until it becomes profitable to do so.

  • UsualPlayers

    @Gay Bacon: OKay whatever you say

    She clearly made a mistake. She realizes it. But apparently some of you can’t ever let a star be human.

    I simply think its weird she didn’t read up on him, but its no weirder than the rest of the population doing similar on most issue.

    We live in the age of the Internet. People here were babbling on about this guy not being anti-gay. I just demonstrated he is.

    You can parse as you like. The fact is he thinks our very existence is a sin. Once you start with that premise its hard to really come back from that.

  • Ogre Magi

    @Mike: To be gay and Christian is to be like a Jewish Nazi or a black KKK member. You are a member of a group that is dedicated to oppressing your kind!

  • UsualPlayers

    @Mk Ultra: Thats what I get from his response too

    He’s sticking his finger to the wind

    he wants to both appease the element of his audience that’s anti gay but at the same time appeal to pop culture types who want to split the baby

    So he calls being gay a sin but doesn’t go to where those who also believe its a sin goes but in calling it a sin he’s effectively condoning their hatred without putting his finger prints on it directly

  • UsualPlayers

    @Ogre Magi: actually again internet research

    there are christian denominations that do not see being gay as a sin

  • LadyL

    My earlier sarcastic reply to snowisfun notwithstanding, I think a little patience with each other could go a long way.
    Some of the comments here do get pretty nasty, but then, some of us are coming here from very stressful circumstances and its easy to vent at strangers. For some folks online posting is obviously the only safety valve they have–which doesn’t make gratuitous insults okay, but at least explains it.
    I’d also like to point out that there is such a thing as healthy skepticism and appropriate anger–“nice” has no value when, in the interest of keeping the peace, we are denied the right to legitimate protest.
    Okay. Off the soapbox now. Happy Independence Day, everyone! :D

  • Geri

    @Making up stuff is fun!: Funny Musif, I thought snowisfun was one of your alter egos when I read its first post:)

  • Geri

    @Marjorie 0120: Personally I prefer Cher’s acting to her singing. I actually think she’s a very good actress, not a great actress, but a very good one.

    As for Cher’s “tweets” – does she really write those things herself?

  • Chuck

    Cher actually types like that? Ew.

  • Ogre Magi

    @UsualPlayers: Too Little, and Too Late

  • Making up stuff is fun!

    @Ogre Magi: I don’t understand. Shouldn’t that be Ogre Magus? Or are there several of you?

  • LuckyLaneUnLtd

    @Analog: @Analog: DEN: re: “You might want to keep your posts short Dear”… My mistake! I forgot we should limit our vocabulary to the lowest common denominator. In the age of Paris Hilton and the Kardashians, I guess you’re right… I should speak only in acronyms and pre-kindergarten babble to appeal to those with short attention spans. No thanks. -VA.

  • LuckyLaneUnLtd

    I have worked for Cher’s tours many times. She runs a professional, tight ship! I think she rocks and should read and write whatever the frack she pleases! -VA.

  • Mk Ultra

    Osteen:”My face, and teeth, and hair weren’t ‘God’s best’ so I traded them in for some new ones!”
    Cher:”That’s deep, man”

  • jack

    Don’t blame Cher. In case you never noticed, she isn’t a very bright bulb. Look she married Sonny, didn’t she?

  • snowisfun

    @UsualPlayers: But again, that depends on what you define as straight. My definition of straight is the old fashioned 1 which is man having sex with women only. That means there’s no such thing as being straight & then taking part in gay/lesbian activities as I use sexual behavior to define. With 97% of pedophiles are straight men, well if you define a man who has sex with a 10 year old boy as straight, then it makes sense. But if a man has sex with a young boy, then he is gay because his sexual behavior is what makes him gay or a homolester. Calling him straight is like calling a smoker a non-smoker. Also to repeat, this poster isn’t Judeo-Christian but sees something wrong with Chastity Bono being surgically maimed & believes they should make it a crime to do sex changes. Sexual orientation that posters keep repeating is a small topic because my view is that even if orientation doesn’t change, it’s best for people not to do gay/lesbian sexual behaviors just as it’s best for people not to use drugs. I know my view comparing gay/lesbian sexual behaviors to drug use offends people but that’s how I see it & again it’s not based on any religion.

  • Hyhybt

    Especially when you’re talking about someone with a huge following (and I’d say having to use a stadium for a church and being all over the TV qualifies) there’s a big difference between someone who fights against you and does their best to stir up their followers to do the same and someone who pretty much avoids that issue entirely unless cornered and asked directly. Osteen is about as close to *effectively* neutral on gay issues as it’s possible for a preacher to be… and, so far as that goes, that’s OK.

    (Prosperity gospel, on the other hand, is horrible… but that’s a separate issue, and not really one for this site.)

  • Derek

    If Cher hasn’t proven genuine love for the GLBT community, then no one has. But you know, we don’t OWN her. She has her own life and a right to be friends with anyone she pleases. When we start turning our backs on people who care for us just by who they are associated with, we lose. Some people really need to learn when (and when NOT) to pick a fight. Not everything is a battle.

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