Sheesh. First we have debate over whether or not Hillary Clinton‘s too masculine, now there’s chatter about whether her male supporters are too girly…
A Salon reader recently asked columnist Camille Paglia what she thinks of Senator Clinton’s “passive-aggressive, sadistic, mean, little, petty beta-male pieces of work who would not naturally succeed in a common male-type hierarchy.”
Paglia’s certainly got loads to say on the subject:
I agree that the male staff who Hillary attracts are slick, geeky weasels or rancid, asexual cream puffs.
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If I were to hazard a guess, I’d say Hillary is reconstituting the toxic hierarchy of her childhood household, with her on top instead of her drill-sergeant father. All those seething beta males (as you so aptly describe them) are versions of her sad-sack brothers, who got the short end of the Rodham DNA stick.
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With her outlandish fibbing and naive self-puffery, her erratic day-to-day changes of tone and message, her glassy, fixed smiles, and her leaden and embarrassingly unpresidential jokes about pop culture, she has started to seem like one of those manic, seductively vampiric patients in trashy old Hollywood hospital flicks like “The Snake Pit.” How anyone could confuse Hillary’s sourly cynical, male-bashing megalomania with authentic feminism is beyond me.
And that’s coming from a Democrat!
Paul Raposo
Paglia attacks a group of men she doesn’t know:
“I agree that the male staff who Hillary attracts are slick, geeky weasels or rancid, asexual cream puffs.”
Then attacks Hillary for attacking men:
“How anyone could confuse Hillary’s sourly cynical, male-bashing megalomania with authentic feminism is beyond me.”
Does this man hating dyke even bother to read what she writes before publish? This is the same cunt who said that women should just lay back and enjoy being raped because that is actually what they really wanted. She loves rapists more than gay men. Whay? Because rapists love vaginas and Paglia has one. God, her pussy must look like what a lemon tastes like
Blacky
Paul Raposo, like most Paglia bashers, I assume you have never actually read Sexual Personae or any other of her books.
You are so absurdly off base that I kind of feel embarrassed for you.
emb
Speaking as a rancid, asexual cream puff for Obama, I am deeply offended.
faghag
Typical sexist bollocks.
steve
“How anyone could confuse Hillary’s sourly cynical, male-bashing megalomania with authentic feminism is beyond me.â€
good quote – just needs an add-on about hillary’s eternal victim status
it’s like the ace card she pulls out anytime the situation is grim: victim
i have yet to meet a true blue feminist who would allow herself to *ever* play the victim
just like the gay community – there are the “victim gays” & the “non-victim gays”
in my mind, self-assurance & strength don’t manifest through constantly crying about how shitty the world has been to you because of who you are
paul, you need a valium
Shawn
Okay, first, I’m not a Hillary lover, but this seems like an attack on gay men to me.
I’ll use her words: Paglia is saying that if a man follows or works for Hillary, he obviously must be a gay/wimp (cream puff), untrustworthy (slick), weak (beta), hostile (rancid), non-heterosexual (asexual) acting male.
She is going out of her way to make a negative connection between men who may vote for Hillary and their character and sexuality. If Ann Coulter had said this, the gay community would be really angry. GLAD would be asking for an apology. But Paglia gets away with it because she claims to be bisexual. That doesn’t seem right to me. She is not on our side.
It’s kind of pathetic that she needs to use perjoratives to attack the politics and sexuality of those who work for a politican she does not support. Why did she need to attack us? If she thinks Obama is worth supporting, why didn’t she just write an opinion about that?
If someone wrote a negative opinion piece about Obama and described the women who follow him as “sour, dried up academics” or “strident, mannish radicals”, she would be screaming to the rafters about unfair stereotyping.
Shawn
Sorry, I meant GLAAD!
Paul Raposo
“If she thinks Obama is worth supporting, why didn’t she just write an opinion about that?”
Shawn, not only does Paglia support Obama, but she has donated to his campaign and been in the front row of one of his speeches:
“I have contributed small sums to Obama’s campaign twice this year. I was lucky enough to see him up close as he spoke at a recent rally in the Philadelphia suburbs, where he answered policy questions in great detail. I was very impressed by his easy, relaxed authority and quick humor as well as his classy elegance.”
From the Salon post linked above.
I’m no fan of Hilary, but I hate Paglia even more. Where’s Leland Francis when we need him? Quick! Somebody run up to the roof and flash the Surly Curmudgeon signal
Blacky
Shawn: Paglia is in no way making an attack on gays. Not just because she is a lesbian…a self described “drag queen feminist” and has written often on how her close friendships that have shaped her worldview were all gay men.
The words that connotate queerness are your own projection or interpretation.
Shawn
Blacky, she IS attacking gay men. I’m not “projecting” anything. I’m reading her words!!!
Granted, she is using tricky language, but her biases are definitely there. She uses a sort-of covert style. She makes allusions and associations. She is too smart to spell it out, but it IS there.
Let’s dissect this sentence: “passive-aggressive, sadistic, mean, little, petty beta-male pieces of work who would not naturally succeed in a common male-type hierarchy.â€
When she says “passive-aggressive”, she means un-manly; she means a man who isn’t assertive in the traditional (meaning heterosexual) way.
When she says “beta-male”, she means less-than-masculine; a follower, a man who isn’t MANLY enough to be “alpha”.
And then she links these two to the following: “wouldn’t naturally succeed in a common male-type hierarchy.”
What exactly is a “common male-type hierarchy?” It is a traditional HETEROSEXUAL group. A group of sport-loving, girl-fucking, truck-driving, steak-eating MEN. Do gay men usually fit into such a group? No, they don’t. I NEVER have.
Also, are straight men ever described as being like a “cream puff” (meaning light, fluffy, weak) or “asexual” (not virile, not HETEROSEXUAL)? I doubt it.
To summarize: To me, what she is saying is that men who vote for/work for Hillary are not acting like like MEN should (meaning straight-acting hetero guys).
She IS smearing us. I’m not making it up. I’m reading her words. She is the one linking weakness with gayness. She is basically doing the same thing that Ann Coulter did when she called John Edwards a faggot, only with better words.
And yes, this will all be on the next exam!
–Shawn
Dick
Paglia is a has-been. She supported Limbaugh for years, then he was outed as a drug addict. She’s a fucking idiot, who’s time has passed her by. She can’t deal with it. Drop dead, Camille. The woman can’t even agree that she’s a lesbian. She claims bisexuality, then goes back and forth between the two. She’s a self-hater. Who even cares? She’s irrelevant.
HA
Blacky = Paglia, who is still hanging on for dear life to a time when she was somebody. The woman hates women. Her readers are the “wanna pretend to be smart” crowd, who don’t understand that her writings are nothing more than grade school drivel. True intellectuals mock her. She’s a crap writer, and hypocrite. She only teaches at the Academy of the Arts in Philadelphia. LMAO. The woman is a dumbass.
Paul Raposo
I posted a reply with links yesterday and it still hasn’t shown up. WTF?
Leland Frances
Sorry, Paul, the Surly Curmudgeon signal couldn’t pierce the bit of extra fog over San Francisco in the last few days generated by all the hot air Obama was furiously flatulating at some recent local fundraisers. And all those American flights that are getting cancelled…don’t believe what you read…it’s just that Obama Airport Flower Sellers keep getting sucked into the engines.
As for Paglia, I thought the Original Card Carrying Cunt was dead given that in Cunt Years she’s around 800. One can but continue to hope. Maybe she can replace one of the dear deFarted Obama Girls at JFK.