Does Your Stomach Stick Out Farther Than Your Chest? You’re So Trendy!


APPARENTLY … Sporting a gut is perfectly acceptable now, even in trendy New York City! Even the editor of Out magazine says so! We know plenty of gays who would disagree (the gym bunnies), and plenty of gays who are wondering when a gut ever went out of style (the bears). But at least there’s a cute name for the new It-Pot Belly: the Ralph Kramden. (Photo: Fame Pictures)

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  • Giovanni

    I am afraid not.

  • SouLKid

    oh so now its trendy to rock a pot belly?
    Well,i personally don’t think its cute but then whatever rocks y’alls boat.

  • Qjersey

    “I sort of think the six-pack abs obsession got so prissy it stopped being masculine”

    kinda makes sense to me…

    and isn’t sticking your tits out to attract a man… a female strategy?

    Remember when being out of shape, before life saving HIV meds, was thought by some to indicate “healthy”?

  • j

    I do agree with the six pack is prissy thing. Then again, why is prissy inherently unsexy? Also, I’m not one for the whole “body beautiful” image that’s pedalled to us. But I think the pot belly takes it a bit far.

  • E. D.

    Belly or no Belly, I have always found him adorable!

  • Richard in DC

    I don’t think a D list actor getting fat means that pot bellies are now trendy…

  • RomanHans

    Far unsexier is that copy of USA Today under his arm. I don’t care if my dude’s got a pot belly but he’s sure as hell got to have a brain.

  • M Shane

    No. 3 · Qjersey; I can’t imagine that sporting a gut was ever “healthy” , except in a kind of sarchastic way the beer belly.
    I’ve noticed that there’s a tendancy toward fatness with married people , Imagine havinmg to have a king sized bed to fit in with your lover.

    I think that B.F looks like a slob that way . They must lock him in a cage before movies. That’s a good 80 lbs overweight since he has a large frame, .Bet he can’t even see his dick.What if he rolled over on you!
    I was raised on a farm where I had to work so my chest has always been way out from the stomach, even when I eat a lot.

  • AlwaysGay

    Muscles are hot. I’ve always been attracted to muscular men and always will be.

  • galefan2004

    In my experience, guys that need to live in a gym to attract a man need to do so because they have no other ways of attracting men (such as actual intelligence and a good personality). That being said, its completely inherent to the particular person rather they look good with a few extra pounds or not.

  • galefan2004

    @Richard in DC: You have to be an idiot to think that Brendan Frasier is D-list. The dude has done more movies than most of the Hollywood stars on the A-list now, and he had starring roles in most of them.

  • Rick

    Other trendy things:

    1. High blood pressure.
    2. Arterial plaque.
    3. Diabetes .
    4. Heart attacks.


  • NIcholas Oliveira Frota

    unsexy is when guys apologize for their bodies.

    not that I’m really into pot bellies, but apologizing for it is def a turn off.

  • galefan2004

    @Rick: Does stupidity make your list?


    High blood pressure is SOMETIMES related to carrying extra weight. Sometimes its not. There are super skinny people with high blood pressure.

    Arterial plaque is SOMETIMES related to carrying extra weight. However, you are completely overlooking the fact that weight gain is a genetic predisposition and that some people that eat healthy and exercise every day still gain weight.

    Diabetes has two types and both types are benefited by genetic predisposition. People that are completely skinny can get and do get diabetes because you can be skinny and eat trash and stay skinny but your body treats the trash you eat like trash.

    Heart attacks are more often suffered at the gym by some muscle q

  • galefan2004

    @galefan2004: *queen trying to over do it then they are by people with a few extra pounds. The great deal of heart related fatalities are actually suffered by people trying to overdo it then they are by people that are inactive.

    In short, judge more? You are so out of line to say that only fat people are unhealthy. That is completely fucking bogus. There are fat people that pass every test a doctor can perform with acceptable levels that still way extra pounds. Don’t buy in the hype the diet industry loves to sell because it just discounts the actual people that suffer with such conditions and makes you look like an idiot.

  • galefan2004

    @NIcholas Oliveira Frota: That is because self-confidence and arrogance for some reason are turn ons. It goes back to that whole alpha male thing. If you love yourself more than anyone else then most people find that somewhat attractive as long as you don’t over do it.

  • Rick Heintz

    LOL… This explains why I’m getting phone numbers from 20 somethings. I am loving this trend, someone pass the Krispy Kremes. WooHoo!

  • NIcholas Oliveira Frota

    @galefan2004 hm… i don’t buy this self-confidence and arrogance clumped together… for me they’re actually opposite: if you have self-confidence, you don’t need to boost it to others and put them down. why compare if you feel comfortable on your own skin?

    I’m just saying i found interesting guys that started apologizing for their bodies right AFTER I chose them and that’s a turn off for me. i never asked for a perfect body (I actually like chubby guys) and for him to assume it makes me feel he’s not actually talking to me, but to a generic person.

  • Rick Heintz

    And for those who think that having a belly is un-healthy. I have completed the California AIDS Lifecycle (545 mile bicycle ride)…twice! And I am a Co-chair for the Ride for AIDS in Chicago this year. I have a clean bill of health from my doctor. Some people no matter how much they try can’t get rid of their belly. It’s called genetics so just let us enjoy our 15 minutes.

  • Alan

    @galefan2004: Way to be a fat apologist! I think I will continue to follow actually sound medical advice in staying thin, though.

  • myrios123

    That’s a really bad shot of BF, but I still think he’s hot.

  • galefan2004

    @NIcholas Oliveira Frota: I think you misunderstood what I meant by arrogance. Arrogance isn’t about putting others down its about the ability to build yourself up. Maybe I just used the wrong word choice. Arrogance in my opinion isn’t about making a comparison either. Some probably don’t believe this, but when I first meet someone I don’t judge them on any aspect of anything that is out of their control. It doesn’t matter what they look like, what gender they are or even what race they are. They are all equal, and when I meet someone I treat them like they are equal to or better than me (lets face it I am fine with myself but Adonis men are still hard to measure up to).

    I can kind of see where you are coming from. Lets face it, in the gay community the worst thing that you can possibly be is over weight. People in this community that are over weight are pretty much attacked and considered to be of a lesser status. So, when they do get with an actual SO its much harder for them to accept that their SO actually accepts them for who they are.

  • galefan2004

    @Alan: Note where that advice is COMING FROM. Its not sound medical advice. Its health industry propaganda. You go ahead and keep your opinion and your sound medical advice. When you drop dead at 50 from a heart attack because your constant over doing it and lack of eating what you are actually supposed to has done you in please invite me to your funeral because I’ll still be going strong.

  • WTF?

    He’s adorable. I love a little pooch. And despite what the fat fascists would say, I think the before picture in a lot of those magazine ads looks better – esp in the face. Those afters look so gaunt; it’s like watching Christian Bale in the Machinist. Blech!

  • M Shane

    No. 14 · galefan2004 ;
    Without a doubt, thinness seems to be inherited, also muscularity to some degree. My whole extended family is thin & somewhat muscular. It’s strange for me, because I can tell if i even put on 5lbs. of weight and feel uncomfortable. Since I stopped running long distances it isn’t as obvious.

    While it’s correct that Diabetes, Arterial Plaque and High Blood pressure have genetic predispositions, it takes poor dietary habits & a lack of the right kind of exercise (aerobic) to make them active. They can be avoided.
    People who exercise and eat healthily generally eat too much. If you have caloric output you need to get calories somewhere to flesh out again.
    I’ve heard of people who have diabetes , heart problems etc. who started running and controlling thier diets at 60 and started running marathons.
    You are really correct about Muscle Queens who don’t get lots of aerobic(e.g. running, etc.0 because they have the problem of developing a lot of muscle weight without a corresponding heart develpment. So you have a tiny heart supporting all that muscle mass. Thats why people who want to gain muscle weight ned badly to work at aerobic activity to. Weight lifters used to die in their 40’s because of that.

    I read an article that people who are over the recommended weight actually can live for quit a while longer than the desired weight would indicate.

  • Rhydderch

    Let’s not forget that mega hit “Encino Man” oh and who could ever forget “Air Heads”? Yeah he’s really giving Brad Pitt a run for his money. Brendan Fraser is about as relavant as the kid who plays Dewey on “Malcolm In The Middle”. He’s really let himself go and it’s a shame. He use to be so hot but now he’s fat and balding and sporting really bad hair plugs. What a waste.

  • galefan2004

    @M Shane: Ok, here is where you lose validity. You are assuming 1) that people that overweight are overweight because they eat the wrong types of food which is simply NOT the case and 2) you assume that people that are overweight are overweight because they simply do not exercise which is also not the case. What you fail to consider is that some people that are overweight both eat the right type of foods and exercise on a regular basis. Weight is an indicator of an unhealthy lifestyle but its simply not that obvious. Some heavy people are indeed very healthy.

    What people seem to overlook is that the supplement/dietary industry in this country is a multi-billion dollar organization that exists off of selling false hope to those desperately clinging to it. Its not enough that they sell this false hope to people just wanting to be more attractive because most people look past their weight in regards to attraction. They also need to pay for studies that show that fat people are disease filled plague carriers and should be judged accordingly. That is how this industry makes money. You need to be careful of exactly where the funding for “research” comes from before you quote it verbatim.

  • Rick Heintz


    Now you’re giving him shit for balding? Wow… Are you still in High School?

  • galefan2004

    @Rhydderch: Funny how you throw up one of the ugliest smallest dicked men in all of Hollywood as a comparison. Brad Pitt just got lucky. If you want to look at someone with real talent that is A list then examine someone like Tom Hanks.

  • stevenelliot

    @Rhydderch: a star’s relevancy aside, it seems to me that the men in entertainment can and do get away with swinging weight stats. They go up when not working and they get relatively fit when in a film production.

    The female stars, on the other hand, are ostracized if they gain an ounce period. whether or not they are filming.

    Shows me that this is a straight male sexually dominated world.
    look at that fat ass Jon Gosslin. He’s got a female twig in one arm and a whopper with cheese in the other……

  • Alan

    @galefan2004: So I suppose the CDC, WHO, and basically every other medical organization on the planet that says being overweight is generally unhealthy for you is somehow on the payroll of the diet and exercise industry? Sure. And global warming doesn’t exist.

  • Alan

    @Alan: And HIV does not cause AIDS.

  • galefan2004

    @Alan: Comparing global warming and HIV to being fat is a stretch isn’t it?

    Seriously, maybe the question should be why it matters to you so much. I personally don’t believe the hype, and the studies are coming out to prove the hype wrong. The CDC is a government agency that gets its funding through the government. You know where the government gets it opinions from? Lobbyist. You know who has very well paid lobbyists? That is right, the diet industry. See, now its not rocket science to link those all together.

    Try watching this:

  • Latebrosus

    “Abs are for people with no friends”–Eric Bana.

  • Alan

    @galefan2004: It goads me when people say things like “being overweight doesn’t lead to heart disease” just as it goads me when people say shit like “gay people can change their sexual orientation”. Both statements are completely unfounded scientifically, and people believe these statements simply because it fits into their preferred view of the world. So it doesn’t matter to me personally all that much, except insofar as both of these statements require a certain willful ignorance and bias to be believed. One more thing should be pointed out here. Obviously there are some fat people who are healthy and some skinny people who are not. But just as like your example of weight lifters dying from heart attacks, the crazy extremes are not very relevant. The average fat person is unhealthy and the average slim person is more healthy, at least assuming they don’t smoke, use drugs, or drink excessively.

  • galefan2004

    @Alan: Ok, I don’t know how to get this through your thick little skull, but BEING OVERWEIGHT DOES NOT LEAD TO HEART DISEASE. It simply doesn’t. All the studies don’t even show a direct link.

    The studies show that being overweight is a factor in heart disease (and that information is based on polling the weights of the victims of heart disease not by examining heart disease in the overweight population). So is being a muscle queen, so is taking pills and supplements that you shouldn’t be taking (especially diet pills), and so is over exerting yourself. Hell, to be honest, more people have ended up unhealthy because they tried to slim down than ever were because they actually tried to eat healthy and just maintain an active lifestyle while being heavy. Do you have any clue how many health problems starving yourself and binge dieting causes? You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think for a moment that all people seeking to lose weight are doing it through healthy means.

    We aren’t talking averages. We are talking about you judging someone simply by looking at their weight and thinking you are better than them and thinking that they are disease ridden plague carriers. At least that is the impression I get. You have no fucking right to say that someone will get heart problems just because they are overweight unless you can show that 100% of the people that overweight have heart problems. A persons health is between them and their doctor. Yet, you are sitting here calling me a “fat apologist” and implying (although you haven’t directly stated it) that all fat people have heart attacks.

    You might feel justified in your ability to write off a complete group of people simply because they don’t fit what you consider acceptable, but its people like you that are in the wrong. Its people like you that hijacked the gay community and started creating judgment on the fat people that you consider less than equal to you. Do you have any fucking clue how many overweight gay kids would rather turn straight or kill themselves than try to fit into the gay community? Do you have any fucking clue how many gay kids try starving themselves and taking diet pills to lose weight? Hell, I had a friend in high school that dated a dude that was 15 taking Dexatrim on a daily basis although he weighed 150 pounds at 5’8″. He thought he was fat because he bought into what assholes like you try to sell. Think before you make these kinds of statements and then use the person’s health to back them up. You don’t give a fuck about fat people’s health. You just give a fuck that you have to look at them.

  • Rhydderch

    @Rick Heintz: Nope I graduated from high school in 1997. I’m giving him shit because he’s balding and has bad hairplugs. If I were losing my hair I would just embrace the bald like Montel Williams. The plugs just make him look sad and vain.

  • Qjersey

    @M Shane:

    I was an out teenager during the emergence of AIDS, people had all sorts of stupid “signs” they looked for as signs of HIV: too skinny, blotchy skin, dark circles under the eyes.

    Several gay writers have noted that the muscle culture really ramped up as a way for positive guys to demonstrate that they weren’t sick…

    Regardless, I find bods that are toned up naturally from WORK, not gym reps MUCH hotter. That said…since I became a desk jockey…well my ass is bigger…but my BF says “hey honey you have an ass now”

  • Brian

    Lazy. Lazy. Lazy.

  • Alan

    @galefan2004: You are taking this really personally for some reason. Medical science is not an exact science, obviously. Only a charlatan would say that if you do X then there is 100% probability that Y will follow. As you yourself point out, the body is a very complex organ and there are many interconnected causes and effects. That is not to say however that we know nothing. We do know, with a great degree of certainty (and not just because of the diet pill industry’s say-so) that being overweight correlates heavily with cardiovascular health problems later in life.

    As far as everything else you said, you really have gone off the deep end. My first bf weighed around 240 lbs at 5’9″ when I weighed 130 lbs at 5’6″. We dated for 9 months and I look back upon that relationship with fondness. So don’t dump all of your issues with the gay community on me. Furthermore, this issue is a bit personal for me because I weighed 165 lbs for three years, but through controlling what I eat and exercising regularly I have been able to get back to my 130 lb weight.

    So beyond the medical claim I made above, I also claim that people can lose weight if they do so intelligently and with self-disciple. Obviously, bulimia, anorexia, yo-yo dieting, drug use, and extreme exercise should not be a part of one’s attempt to lose weight. But regular aerobic exercise and eating three medium meals a day I think would work well for a number of people. Which of course is precisely what most doctors recommend in the first place!

  • Rhydderch

    This discussion reminds me of all the fat acceptance groups that march around crying discrimination and get pissed because they have to buy two airline seats. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve walked down the aisle only to see that I’m sandwiched between a couple of fatties. They should have to buy two seats especially when they’re spilling over into someone elses space. I mean you can be fat if you want to or you can put down the Little Debbie snack cakes, lose weight and get fit. Seems like the fatties on this board are getting up in arms because they know how society sees them: lazy, overindulgent and lacking self discipline.

    On a side note, it’s pretty ironic that Galefan2004 is so upset that people here are lumping all fatties together as disease ridden sloths. If this were a topic on race he would be the one lumping all blacks as racists, homophobes and whiners. But since he’s fat he takes offense.

  • galefan2004

    @Alan: Hmm, maybe I’m taking it really personally because I’ve been ostracized and treated like less than human by the gay community for my entire life because I didn’t fit in with the muscle queens and the skinny bitches because I carry a few extra pounds. I’ve been given every test in the book and they all come back just fine. I don’t have high blood pressure (hell my mom who is much thinner than I am and fits the weight norm has high blood pressure and I don’t), I don’t have diabetes, and I walk about daily and I eat the right kinds of foods. However, I still weigh more than average, and for the last 12 years that has been enough for every single person I’ve met in the gay community to offer a judgment. It gets old after awhile.

    We know that people that have cardiovascular problems later in life are more often obese (we are also talking actually obese like 300+ pounds obese). However, we don’t know that the majority of the people that are obese have heart problems. The two things are very different.

    I’m sorry you were the one that called me a “fat apologist” and you expect me not to respond to such garbage personally? I’ve heard those kind of attacks from the gay community my entire fucking life, and after awhile it just got sort of old. If you don’t want to make this a personal issue because you claim it isn’t a personal issue for you then take terms like “fat apologist” out of your vocabulary because saying those words is hateful and mean and meant to destroy people simply because they don’t conform to your ideals.

    The problem is that you are wrong. Eating low calorie meals and having a low caloric intake and exercising regularly simply isn’t enough to make everyone skinny. It just simply doesn’t work that way. You started out at 130 pounds. That means you were genetically predispositioned to be skinny. I’ve been fat for 30 years (since birth really) and the lowest I ever got with months of eating those “three medium meals” a day and walking every single day was 175 pounds. It was also one of the most miserable times in my life because I was starving every single day. I did enjoy the exercise though, and I still do exercise often.

  • Rick

    galefan2004 = FAIL

  • galefan2004

    @Rhydderch: FUCK YOU! Seriously, my daily caloric intake is probably less than yours. Grow a fucking brain. Not everyone that is overweight is overweight because they decide to pick up a box of junk food. You are showing your own stupidity by saying shit like that.

    Society sees a lot of people very incorrectly. They see muscle head assholes such as yourself as whores. I’m assuming you are a muscle bound asshole based on your comments. So, tell me, do you enjoy fucking 10 guys a night in a bath house? What, its a legitimate question given what society sees you as.

    Yes, it is ironic, however, if you were smart enough to read my fucking comments you would simply see that you are wrong. I don’t lump all blacks together. I make generalized statements, but when it comes to actual black people I respect them on a given basis. Its ironic that you can’t see how ironic my statements on race are based simply on the statements themselves.

  • galefan2004

    @Rhydderch: Posting my picture doesn’t bother me. Neither does the fact that I’m overweight. Its not a problem with me. Its a problem in this society when all people are judged based on things out of their control though.

    @Rick: Thank you for your, umm I guess we could call it an “opinion”, but I don’t give a fuck about who you are or what you think.

  • Alan

    @galefan2004: You’re right, I was a bit incendiary, as I sometimes can be. But your claim that the diet pill industry is behind this sweeping medical conspiracy was just a bit too much to swallow.

  • galefan2004


    Here, if you decide to write me off and judge me simply because I’m a fat bastard you might as well show a picture that actually shows that I’m a fat bastard.

    My guess is you decided to write me off and judge me simply because you can’t handle the truth though and like to find convenient excuses.

  • strumpetwindsock

    Talk about a story built on nothing (well… nothing but vanity).

    Anyway, on the topic I recognize that overweight is a problem, but our fixation on thinness is even worse, and definitely contributing to the problem.

    Me, I’ll continue to use the healthy alternative – butter

    @Rhydderch: It is interesting that calling someone nigger, kike or chink will get you a heated response, but fatty is somehow perfectly acceptable.

    And FYI, no, my belly is not wider than my waist, so I guess my opinion won’t be discounted as invalid.

  • Mark

    I LOVE the number of body-obsessed queens trying to defend themselves and their attitudes by invoking a “healthy” lifestyle defense. Where do you all come off calling BF fat? Really, that’s fat? Let’s call a spade a spade here. Face it girls, you don’t give a crap what a man puts in his body (drugs, booze, cigarettes) as long as he looks hot. Don’t even pretend you care about being healthy while you are spending countless hours staring at yourselves in front of those large mirrors at the gym. You are there for one reason only…

    There is nothing wrong with carrying a little extra weight. Despite what all of you anorexics thinks, it’s actually healthy. A man who is confident with a “real” body is FAR more attractive than all of you skinny, six packed narcissists. I can’believe after 40 years of fighting for our rights, it stills comes down to what a guy’s body looks like. GET over yourselves.

    And before you all start screaming and clawing my eyes out, yes, I go to the gym. However, I guess I’m just intelligent and confident enough to know that there is more to life than rock hard abs.

  • galefan2004

    @strumpetwindsock: The bitch realizes she/he can’t get a rise out of me and is probably one of those skinny assed people that I could snap in half like a twig anyways. However, the real short of it is that most people that need to outright attack and individual feel that need because they are inadequate in their own right. I’m sure it also frightens him/her that while she/he tries to read me I have a much thicker skin then to let someone posting my picture bother me. I’m sick and fucking tired of apologizing to anyone for anything, so I just take it as it comes now.

  • galefan2004

    @Mark: If Fred Phelps and Jerry Falwell were young muscle bound studs that looked hot half the QT queens would go worship at their churches.

  • Rhydderch

    @Mark: It’s always been about looks. I mean we can all go around and pretend that it’s what inside that counts, but even Galefan2004 himself has musclebound porn stars plastered all over his photobucket page. Not one sexy pic of Drew Carey in the whole lot. And not many of us are actively inquiring as to how someone maintains their physical appearance. If they lead a healthy lifestyle it shows. We can all agree that there’s nothing wrong with a little extra body fat but we can also disgree on what is and is not attractive.

  • sal(the original)

    what i dont get is some of the big people always want the fit guy….to you who are like that i say thats discrimination too

  • sal(the original)

    …you want the fit hot guy but when that fit hot guy wants that too you hate on him,say he’s discriminating HA…

  • galefan2004

    @Rhydderch: As sad as it is, the truth is that you are 100% correct. Its about looks. God, I wish it wasn’t, but in the end if there is no physical attraction then there is no physical attraction.

    However, its not solely about looks and a good personality is more important than looks. Still there has to be some attraction. The thing is, for some god forsaken reason that I have never even began to notice, I look damn good according to most people that cruise me, and I definitely notice myself being cruised a lot more than before. Maybe its just because I’m 30 and starting to notice it more, but its definitely happening.

    So, I guess I just get a little testy and blow up a little. I’m not 300+ pounds, and I would never want to be, but I’m also not 150+ and that is ok with me. If that isn’t ok with some people because its not what they are attracted to then that is just fine with me as well.

    Where the problem starts is when people start basing their personal opinion of people off of looks. Looks have a baring only in physical attractiveness. I don’t have to be physically attracted to someone in order to be a friend with them. I do have to be physically attracted to people in order to fuck them though.

  • sal(the original)

    ….You dont sacrifice,dont work hard yet you expect the top prize??living in the dream world

  • galefan2004

    @sal(the original): I support the right of anyone to date anyone. If you want to date a midget drag queen and can find one then go for it. If you want to date a muscle jock then go for it. If you want to date the 1000 pound man then go for it.

    That is not where the problem is. The problem is when you judge someone based on their looks. I don’t have any problem with someone that is looking for a certain look when it comes to dating. Lord knows, the trend look is starting to go away from the muscle jocks to the few extra pounds anyways. However, I do have a problem with the judgment involved when you judge someone simply on their looks.

    Also, I think the reason that bigger guys are becoming more acceptable is because in a 4% of the population community you start to limit yourself greatly when you only for the 10-20% of the 4% that are actually muscle bound jocks. People are tired of being lonely and as a result are looking for other characteristics than looks in a mate.

  • galefan2004

    @sal(the original): 1) I never said I expect the top prize. 2) I already have it because the guy I want I already have. 3) I do sacrifice and I work my ass off but its for causes I actually believe in not for living in a fucking gym.

    Thank you for your opinion but its bull shit.

  • galefan2004

    @sal(the original): Oh and since when the fuck is the top prize acceptance as a human being. That is the only thing I want for larger people. I want them to be accepted as human beings. That would be the “top prize”. Tell me, how much work do you do for anyone other than yourself? I’m going to go out on a limb and say none. Most likely everything you ever do is to bring happiness and prosperity to yourself, so thank you for the judgment, but it simply doesn’t matter to me.

  • sal(the original)

    wow mad??hello!!hmmm i wonder where all that hate comes from??reality check!

  • sal(the original)

    who do you guys pursue??huh??FIT GUYS!!

  • Roy Pyatt

    everybody please take a deep breath and remember human beings like ice cream come in all flavors and sizes. so there is some for everyone.
    Leave the name calling in the bedroom

  • sal(the original)

    PERSONALITY??well what should one think of someone who treats themselves like crap??your body is your temple,you will get no other,dont say screw it to your body……p.s. i was big when i was a kid,when i lost the weight my body thanked me,i never realized when i was big that certain ailments i had were all thanks to me treating my body like shit….

  • Rhydderch

    @galefan2004: I owe you an apology for resorting to school yard tactics. It was just schadenfreude to read your comments and I couldn’t resist the dig. I’m a better person than that and can sometimes forget that there’s an actual human being on the other end.

  • strumpetwindsock

    @sal(the original):

    Actually no.

    I prefer physically normal to chiselled, and I can think of a lot of attributes – intelligence, kindness, emotional maturity, common interests, beauty, being good in bed – that are a lot higher on my list than body mass index.

    If you want to fuck a mannequin you can just buy one of those.

  • galefan2004

    @sal(the original): Fuck off! Seriously, don’t start with your body is a temple bull shit. That is the same bull shit the christers use to judge gays with. Right there should tell you exactly how incredibly stupid that opinion is. Its actually kind of funny because I have no health problems and I can walk faster and work harder than most skinny assed bitches I know. I’ve always been able to out last them. Do you like making overly generalized comments that reek with stupidity? Who the fuck do you think you are? ME?

  • galefan2004

    @Rhydderch: Dude, if anyone has any reason to apologize on these boards on a given basis its me not you. Seriously, I thank you for your apology, but I would much rather have people be honest and open with their feelings even if they are somewhat hurtful. The truth is, you simply don’t know me, and you probably wouldn’t take the time to get to know me in a given situation.

    I’m not asking for gay people to suddenly start dating fat people when there is no attraction. Sometimes there is an actual attraction and that is cool with me. That isn’t my issue at all. I’m more against people that won’t even talk to a guy in a club because he has a few extra pounds when he isn’t even hitting on them. I gave up on being the center of attention in a club long ago while going out with my best friend who always had guys hitting on him all night.

    On the plus side, it drove my friend insane that he would go there for a good time and people wouldn’t leave him alone all night simply because he was hot. By the end of the night he just wanted to leave so he wouldn’t have to deal with people hitting on him anymore and I was always left to my own devices.

    In all fairness, since I became the queen of the ball that actually accepts himself for who he is I haven’t really even gone to a club, so I haven’t been out since 2001-2002. It might have changed a lot in the last 7 years. I know I’ve changed a lot in them.

  • galefan2004

    @strumpetwindsock: Don’t forget, its true what they say, fat boys give better head. We spend so much time playing with our mouths that we just get used to working them.

    Sorry, I just couldn’t exist. I’m not sure if its because I’m fat that I give amazing blow jobs I just know that I give amazing blow jobs.

  • sal(the original)

    at the end of the day im not the pissed one…hmmm wonder why??accept it or life will keep on showing ya like it is already

  • sal(the original)

    its sooo funny,some claim they want “physically normal”hmmmmm so there is a normal and an abnormal,like extremes ?lol

  • galefan2004

    @sal(the original): At the end of the day you are still the moron, and I’m not even pissed. You have no fucking clue what makes me pissed, but trust me when I tell you its not you. I use the word fuck a lot. I don’t have to be upset to use the word fuck. Its a fun word to use. Enjoy your looks while they last because one thing I’ve learned about muscle bound queens that judge looks above all else. When they turn 50 or 60 they normally have mental break downs.

  • sal(the original)

    and the who its waht christians would say lmao,im gay and was fat…from personal experience i can loose the fat(and gain it)i cant loose the gay and get it back

  • galefan2004

    @sal(the original): I think what they are saying is that they don’t want a guy with veins bulging from their bodies and abs you can great cheese on anymore. They also don’t enjoy seeing ribs. They want someone that looks like they are actually (for lack of a better term) human. The Adonis look is going away.

  • B

    Wow – Thanks for this large distraction to my end of work day……this board was like a gay Days of our Lives! Bravo!

  • sal(the original)

    ….i dont want either extreme,just keep it tight and its all right

  • vernonvanderbilt

    Well, I’m on the cusp of 30, and have been fairly overweight ever since my growth spurt, which came quite early. My weight usually hovers somewhere around the 250 mark, but has fluctuated between 200 and 280 over the years. I have a belly, thick thighs, most of the physical features that come with the territory.

    Aside from some chronic, non-weight-related health issues, I am in perfect physical condition. My blood pressure is normal, heart rate is normal, no diabetes or anything. I have above average endurance, though a good portion of that may well be sheer stubbornness.

    Many people are content to ignore me because of this, in person or even online. But you know what? I get laid pretty much whenever I want, by pretty much any body type I want. I’ve made sweet, sweet love to guys much larger than myself, and I’ve had skinny, little twinks begging for more of what I’ve got to offer. About 90% of the guys I’ve been with have volunteered that I’m “the best they’ve ever had.” In short, I’m pretty much the shit.

    Does it bother me if someone is turned off by my physical appearance? Not in the slightest. There are people out there that I’m not attracted to as well, and I wouldn’t want them thinking less of me for it. Would I like to be a bit skinnier? Sure, but I’m not stressing over it. When you’re one of the “beautiful people” you can never honestly be 100% sure that the person or people you’re with actually likes you, or if it’s just your body they want. I know that everyone I’ve ever been with has chosen me because they want me. That’s something that no expensive gym membership or crazy diet plan can ever give you.

    I’m going to run the risk of overgeneralizing here, but I’m going there anyway. Of all the guys I’ve been with over the years, it’s the so-called “classically attractive” ones that end up being the most insufferable. In my experience, it’s rare to meet one that can actually carry on an interesting and intelligent conversation, and most of the time they seem particularly self-centered as well. Vanity is absolutely rampant in the gay subculture, and it’s disgusting, to me at least. Skinny and/or athletic guys are pretty much good for a fuck (if you’re lucky – many of them are completely untalented in that department), but not anything more serious than that.

    So hey, if pot bellies are “in” now, great. It doesn’t change my reality on bit. I’m a fatty, and I’m fucking sexy. Chew on that for a while. You just might like the taste.

  • Caleb

    LOL some nasty stuff on here. Give it a rest Sal. Not everyone who is overweight is lazy, overeats, or treats their body like shit. Genetics have a huge amount to do with body weight.

    I am 5’9″ and weigh 130 lbs and have since I was 13 years old, my father is 47 and hasn’t weighed more than 120 in his whole life. My mother on the other hand has always struggled with her weight and my sister unluckily for her, has the same problem. I probably eat 1000 more calories than her every day yet because of my metabolism I can’t gain weight, while she does if shes not super careful.

    As an aside, I guess I take after my dad in more ways than one. I really like guys that are a bit overweight. Not only is there something to hold on to but their personalities are so much better than brain dead muscle boys.

  • sal(the original)

    yet the fact is who do you want?what do majority dream of??say whatever here i KNOW what you guys chase after!whatever at the end of the day its not sal or whoever here,its you guys too.

  • sal(the original)

    the big guys(gals)out here who say big people need love too well chase after those big people yourself,lust after them etc if you were i knowww you wouldnt be here cussin at me lmao

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @sal(the original): Reading your comments on this thread, you come across as someone with your own set of self-image issues. A normal, rational person would take the attitude that different people like different things, and that it’s perfectly okay for someone to consider a person attractive that you do not. You act like you have a personal stake in this issue, and all that does is make you seem shallow, bitter, and angry. What’s the deal? Were you molested by a fatty as a child or something?

    Just because you have no taste for a certain body type doesn’t mean you have to tear down people who do. Realizing this fact, accepting it, and putting it into action is a sign of maturity. You should look into that.

  • Republican

    Why all the gym hate? Jocks are hot!

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @Republican: Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren’t. Just like any other “group.”

  • John Smith

    Is Brendan Frasier gay?

  • Muaddib777

    @sal(the original): As I said before what I want and dream of is a heavyset guy. And you don’t know what you are talking about. There are scads of heavy guys who go after other heavy guys. Ever hear of the bear community?

  • schlukitz

    26 out of 78 comments. That’s a little over 33 percent or one third of all comments made on this thread.

  • sal(the original)

    ok wow molestation??yikes,you’re a classy one huh

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @sal(the original): Hey, I’m not the one who’s made it his mission of the day to needlessly and venomously belittle people I don’t personally find attractive. It’s an honest question. There has to be a reason you’re so…spirited on the subject.

  • sal(the original)

    @Muaddib777: well im not talking bout people like you,im talking bout the hypocrites on this issue

  • sal(the original)

    @vernonvanderbilt: ewwww,u’r creepy

  • sal(the original)

    if all ya have is to throw molestation around like its a word cause ya have no strong foundation to stand on… well what else can i say?

  • tofer david

    Friend #1: “that’s that booty-do!”

    Friend #2: “what’s a booty-do?”

    Friend #1: “you know, his bely stick out further than his booty-do!”

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @sal(the original): Well, if you check your dictionary, you’ll see that “molestation” is, indeed, a word. Hell, it might not hurt if you used a spellchecker now and then, or maybe learned what your shift key is for. You probably speak the way you type.

    But seriously, you should really examine the underlying reasons for your hatred of overweight people. If you didn’t have issues about it, you wouldn’t feel the need to talk about it so much.

  • sal(the original)

    hello im done with you,fall back

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @sal(the original): Typical. I hope that someday you learn to love yourself. Somebody has to.

  • sal(the original)

    come back when ya have something smart to say

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @sal(the original): Oh, sweetums, if you were here I’d patronizingly pat you on the head and give you a lollipop. You’re too precious.

  • sal(the original)

    lol you sure know how to live up to the creepy status huh

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @sal(the original): Not only am I creepy, I’m occasionally eerie as well. Sometimes even ghastly. I’m multifaceted like that.

  • schlukitz


    If sal could not handle the word “molestation”, you will surely throw him into “I can’t cope mode” with the word “multifaceted”. LOL

    How’s it going, buddy? Don’t see you here much anymore. You’ve been missed. :o)

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @schlukitz: Awww shucks, it’s nice to be remembered. :P I still check things out pretty regularly, but anymore it’s rare for me to have any desire to get involved in what passes for conversations around these parts. Plus, I’ve been quite busy lately, so that just makes it easier to limit my time on the internets.

    You’ll probably still hear from me now and then, of course. It just depends on how interested I am in a given topic on a given day. Glad to see you’re still hanging in here though. It’s nice to see familiar names amidst all the new ones popping up.

  • Brian

    @galefan2004: I would suggest exercise. Real hard, difficult and healthy exercise.

    You can do whatever can be done. It is entirely up to you.

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @Brian: I would suggest sandwiches. Real thick, heavy and delicious sandwiches.

    You can eat whatever can be eaten. It is entirely up to you.

    ;) :P

  • Brian

    @vernonvanderbilt: You are the unattractive new “average,” fat, lazy and a burden on our healthcare system.

    A billion people are starving in the World and some of you seem to have eaten way too much. Disgusting. Children are dying. Innocent children.

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @Brian: Be still, my wounded heart. You almost hurt my feeling. It’s the only one I have left.

    By the by, I’m no burden on the healthcare system at all. I don’t patronize members of the medical establishment, because they are greedy charlatans.

    And starving children? Really? Fuck the children. I want some KFC, bitch.

  • Brian

    @vernonvanderbilt: Feelings? Soon you’ll feel heart attack and stroke. You did that.

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @Brian: Sorry, darling. I had my cardiectomy years ago. Best investment I’ve ever made.

  • Wilby66

    BF, you’re such a looser and waste of life, only because you don’t feel the need to live up to a bunch of expectations that some homo’s deem appropriate. Oh, and you’re balding, universe forbid you should continue living. Hey, Morons, you fall in love with the person for they are on the inside, not some porn fantasy you believe to be truth.

  • Wilby66

    @ vernonvanderbilt! Call me! Ha ha, I love it.

  • strumpetwindsock

    Is that innocent children with honey mustard dip or teriyaki sauce?
    Al dente or extra crunchy?

    Come on man, my mom tried that dumb argument to get me to eat my veggies and it didn’t work then.

    Starvation on a global perspective is a little bit more complex than a nice delicious sandwich, which can in fact be a lot healthier and less damaging to the environment than a slurpee, or even a cup of coffee.

    You mention some real problems, but frankly you exploit those deaths to score points on an issue that is virtually unrelated. To just go without a meal is going to do nothing to help anyone in underdeveloped nations. Look at what is shovelled out the back of any grocery store.

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @strumpetwindsock: Thank you for being patient and logical when I’m not in the mood. You are a credit to humanity.

  • James

    I’ll believe a pot belly is hip in NYC when my sex life improves! Until then it’s just a big ol’ lie!!!

  • schlukitz


    Yep yep. So did my mom. LOL

    Brian’s argument reminds me of the story about Malcolm Forbes who had a stable of approximately 100 prized motorcycles that he kept housed in a climate controlled warehouse.

    During a public showing of his fantastic collection of machines, a young, snot-nosed, opionated reporter sidled up to Mr.Forbes and in a very condescending, self-righteous voice said “Mr. Forbes, why do you feel that you deserve to own 100 motorcycles?

    Without blinking an eye, Mr. Forbes replied “Oh. I’m so sorry. I didn’t know that there was a shortage of them!”

  • schlukitz


    A billion people are starving in the World and some of you seem to have eaten way too much. Disgusting. Children are dying. Innocent children.

    Yep. And it’s all the fault of people who are considered to be overweight by the rest of the self-righteous populace. I mean, they encouraged all those breeders the world around to have all those kids they cannot feed…and they are still breeding more.

    Talk about laying a guilt-trip on people? That’s what’s truly disgusting! And who is putting a gun to all these breeders heads and telling that they must have these children? How about these people taking responsibility for their lives and showing a little self-restraint of their own? Let’s put the blame where it belongs.

    I suppose next, you will be advocating that that obesity be made a criminal offense, punishable by death, because they not only are they taking food out of the mouth of billions of people (criminal), they are using up far too much oxygen and not leaving enough for the rest of us.

    Man, your powers of deduction are way warped.

  • prissysissy

    @RomanHans: And do what with his brains – read Queerty?

  • prissysissy

    @James: Good one! :-)

  • Michael

    I love how some on here begging for equality (which is great) end their statement by bashing those who are skinny or muscular (not just the ones attacking ‘overweight’ people). Yeah, calling skinny people a bunch of “anorexics” is super classy. I didn’t know it was cool to bash people with diseases now. That’s cool.

    Oh and my personal favourite “Skinny and/or athletic guys are pretty much good for a fuck”. I’d love to see that said about women or any other group of people. I guess it’s not acceptance of every body type you’re after, just your body type.

  • J. Clarence

    @E. D.: I agree. He will always been a cute in my mind.

    I don’t think this is a trend my any means. I think it was just a slow news day. However, people could just be responding from the constant barrage of images that tell them they must be uber fit and just saying “fuck it”.

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @Michael: Well, aren’t you cute? Gettin’ all up in arms over the mean ol’ fatties pickin’ on the jocks. What is this world coming to when traditional beauty isn’t worshipped by all?

    Obviously you only read that one line in my original post, otherwise you’d have understood the context of it. I cannot speak for anyone else, but as far as I am concerned, I don’t have to beg anyone to like me or harbour any sort of attraction for me. I certainly don’t give a shit if some random stranger on the internet “accepts” my body type, particularly when they haven’t even seen a pic and only have my own description to go by.

    As I said, people are entitled to like what they like. If they want gym bunnies, more power to ’em. It doesn’t diminish my quality of life (sexual or otherwise) one iota. Where I do take issue is when people decide to attack others for liking what they like, or for not being what they, personally, like in a partner. This thread is full of self-righteous queens doing exactly that. Those of us who aren’t freaks of nature with too much spare time on their hands are more than entitled to defend ourselves from vicious and unwarranted personal attacks from the likes of you people. We can criticize you as much as we like because we stand at the fringes, observing, processing, and, in some cases, reporting. Narcissus gazes endlessly into the pool, not realizing he is being watched and assessed in turn, and should someone dare to inform him, he pouts and belittles in order to inflate his fragile ego back to a more cushioned state.

    “Skinny and/or athletic guys are pretty much good for a fuck.”

    Yup. I said it. And you know what? It’s absolutely true. The abs are sculpted, the pecs are defined, the effect…purely statuesque. And upstairs, where the real action is? Stone as well, cold, hard, and hollow to a fault. I’ve fucked the beautiful people, Michael, even enjoyed it on occasion, but when the deed is done and the afterglow washes over everyone and everything, when body heat dries sweat to a salty sheen on skin, when breathing slows and heartbeat settles…

    Well, there’s not much left to talk about, is there? Time to go home. Things to do, things to do, don’t call me, I’ll call you.

    Call me crazy, but I’d prefer a man I can talk to over a man who could look good in a magazine. I’d prefer a man who considers and ponders the world around him to a man who would subject me to the up-and-down, five second assessment and give me a mere sneer as my reward for submitting to his appraisal. They choose to have their cake, forsaking the richer experience in favour of pretty, colourful frosting. I eat mine, and if I like the taste, I come back for seconds. The tastiest cakes are rarely the prettiest. The frosting is cloying, the cake too dry.

    Life is simply too easy for the beautiful people, Michael. It’s so easy that they never learn to appreciate it for what it is. I sound scornful, I’m sure. I’m not. I do not scorn them, for even I lust after them on occasion. No scorn…only pity. I cannot imagine living a life so hollow that my outward appearance is my sole basis of self-judgment.

    And I cannot imagine living a life where the outward appearances of others are the only parts of them I ever experience. I cannot imagine it for myself, that is. I don’t need to imagine it for others, because every day I am surrounded by people who do just that.

    And they have the gall to think we’re the same simply because we both like dick. They should be so lucky.

    A few notes, and I will close:

    1. Fat guys try harder.

    2. Beauty always fades, making it an ultimately futile investment.

    3. Why settle for a six-pack when you can have a case?

    I love myself as I am. This means that it isn’t the end of my world if someone else doesn’t. But I’m living proof that if you know how to love yourself, so will others.

    Now, excuse me while I go fuck this jock I’ve kept waiting far too long.

  • damon459

    @M Shane: Type 2 Diabetes can be triggered by poor diet however type 1 is genetic your born with it diet doesn’t make it go away I know I have friends and family with type 1 all are slim and eat healthy. As to all this body size mania my grandfather died at 95 from cancer he had a gut and trust me it wasn’t from lack of exercise or poor diet he just had a gut his father had one my father has one for some reason I don’t and it’s not because I’m a crazy gym bunny I eat lots of things people say are bad like butter and whole milk real full fat cheese red meat and sugar but I’m still the same size I was in high school as for BF I think he looks cute I like a little gut on a man not a lot but no 6 pack either all those muscles tell me is his life revolves around the gym and eating tofu yuck give man who isn’t scared of a cheese burger once on a while.

  • Michael

    @vernonvanderbilt: I’m not “all up in arms over the ol’ fatties pickin’ on the jocks.” I’m simply saying that resorting to personal attacks while trying to stop others from spewing horrible person attacks seems counter-productive. Not once did I say that you were wrong for wanting people to just stop judging people on what they like in a partner or what they themselves look like. I completely agree with you. I just take issue with the way you presented it. Also, I did read your comments and I don’t see how calling people “anorexics” can be less offensive when put into context.

    Explain to me how it is any better for you to make huge generalizations about skinny and/or muscular people? Simply because you find it to be true in your life? I guess I’m just stupid (because you seem to think patronizing me is a great way to combat unwarranted attacks) because I don’t understand the difference between saying “skinny and/or muscular guys are pretty much good for a fuck” or “freaks of nature who have too much time on their hands” or bunch “of anorexics”, and “fat people are lazy, gross, and unhealthy.”

    I’m not defending the people attacking overweight people, or what they consider overweight, so I’d appreciate it if you didn’t attack me as if I were. Of course you have the right to defend yourself from vicious personal attacks, but defending yourself by generalizing a group of people doesn’t do much for your point. Also, what is this “the likes of YOU people.”? I don’t attack people because of their weight, how they look, or what they’re attracted to. “We can criticize you as much as we like.” You have no idea how much I weigh or what I look like. I mean, these are just more examples of the extreme generalizations that fill your comments. I am a skinny person. Not “skinny/muscular”. Skinny as in a BMI less than 17, way too skinny. It is not a choice. I eat over 2400 calories a day (and no, I’m not bulimic if you’re going to go there). I get enough in-person attacks on a daily basis about my weight, so I don’t exactly spend my time attacking people on the internet who weigh more than me.

    But this idea that you can criticize people of the ‘norm’ or whatever you want to call it simply because you are not a part of that ‘norm’ (even though you say you couldn’t care less what these people think) really doesn’t make sense to me. Is that how the gay community has gained equality (we’re not there yet, but you know what I mean)? No. You can’t go around attacking straight people simply because they are the ‘norm’. Defending yourself against those who attack a group you’re a part of (gay, straight, bisexual, transgender, skinny, muscular, overweight, obese, black, white, Christian, Muslim) is a lot different than attacking the entire group that the attacker(s) is/are a part of.

    Obviously you’re entitled to your opinion about skinny and/or muscular people and have the right to voice such an opinion, but don’t pretend that what you say is true based on fallacies. “The beautiful people” aren’t all stupid and boring just as “the fatties” aren’t all lazy and unhealthy. Come on.

    I cannot imagine a life where the only thing I saw was the appearance of a person either, but the people who are like this aren’t called “skinny and/or muscular” as a synonym.

    I hope I’m not coming across as attacking you or anything like that, because really, I’m not it’s just frustration that your extremely relevant argument is getting lost in unnecessary attacks on those who aren’t like you.

  • Tommy

    Aren’t you confusing having a little bit of a stomach and being obese? I don’t think a guy should obsess over a tiny bit of a stomach that sticks out. As you get older that tends to happen no matter how much you work out and how healthy you eat.

    But on the other hand, if you are actually obese which usually is shown as a large weight gain all over your body not just your stomach that does lead to heart attacks and other problems.
    All things in moderation, I say.

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @Michael: Well, first off, I didn’t mention anorexia even once. I don’t know who did, but it wasn’t me. I know the damage eating disorders can do, having had friends and family who have dealt with them over the years. I also know that they are a symptom of society’s obsession with the idea that “thin = beauty.”

    Second, your previous post came across as a defense of the people who initiated the abuse on this thread in the first place, the allegedly attractive individuals. After Sal’s ceaseless, hateful blather, I think you can understand that the conversation had already been pushed into a realm where defensiveness and misunderstanding were not only possible, but probable. I’ll admit to having gotten swept up in the hysteria myself, but what seems to be flying over everyone’s head is the intent behind it. I thought being over the top was enough, but I’ll take the blame for not being obvious enough for some of the idiots here.

    The point of my rant was a simple turning of the tables. Slender/athletic/muscular people are simply not accustomed to being the objects of scorn and ridicule, in western culture at large, but particularly in the gay subculture. Rather, they are frequently complimented, placed on pedestals, and fed this belief that they are somehow better than normal people simply for having a lower BMI. The flip side to this is that they develop a sense of entitlement when it comes to telling those of us who are not blessed with their genetics/metabolism/spare time/whatever that we’re the ones who are ugly and wrong. Society has decided they are beautiful, so they believe that they are the arbiters of aesthetics.

    People are fat because they’re lazy, they lack impulse control, they don’t try hard enough, they don’t care about themselves…everyday I hear the same shit, and we have a whole thread full of that tripe right here. It doesn’t matter to the arbiters that everyone has their own individual circumstances in their life that influence their body type. To them, the only reason we don’t look like them is because we’re broken in some way, and we’re entirely to blame for it.

    You know this is true, because you never hear them asking questions. They only utter pronouncements, judgments, and these are only reflective of their own self-absorbed perceptions.

    Most people wouldn’t look at me, or someone my age, and expect me to have joint problems that make the mere act of walking up or down the stairs an ordeal on most days, much less any prolonged physical exertion. Even fewer of them would believe that these started long before I became overweight.

    I’d wager that many of them would scoff if I mentioned that I quite likely consume less food and fewer calories than they do on a given day. I eat reasonably healthily, and permit myself the occasional culinary indulgence if I want it. They would just assume I’m stuffing my face with Twinkies all day and then forget about me entirely.

    You say you get similar treatment for being too skinny, so you should understand what I’m saying here. People, particularly those who have it easy due to society’s bizarre and inhuman standards, are quick to pass judgment and slow to seek understanding.

    So, what harm is done if I give them just a taste of what they give the rest of us? There’s no way one person can balance that scale, Michael, but if I can do my part to let these people know that they are not the only standard of desire on this planet, I’m going to do it. By dehumanizing the abnormal (and they are abnormal) I am, hopefully, making them think twice before doing it to someone else in the future. It’s a simple wake-up call. Do I expect most of them to understand? Of course not. They’re not wired that way, and even I can admit that’s not entirely their own fault. If you live in a world where everyone says you’re right, it’s hard to admit, or even see, that you may actually be wrong.

    I don’t hate slender/athletic/muscular people. I have known many over the years whom I have grown to personally admire for a variety of reasons. But I admire no one for simply being nice to look at. If that’s the only thing you have going for you, then your life really is empty and meaningless.

    Furthermore, I do not respect anyone who makes arguments like “it’s just about health” or other bullshit like that. That’s not what they’re about at all. They simply want to be able to tell you that they’re better than you without sounding mean, because heaven forbid their fragile egos be wounded by someone not liking them. If people just say what they mean, sure, some folks might be hurt, but at least we know where we stand. I’d rather someone come right out and tell me they think I’m ugly for carrying a few extra pounds than waste my time with their “I’m a good person, really” P.C. bullshit.

    “You are the unattractive new “average,” fat, lazy and a burden on our healthcare system.”

    And I’m certainly not going to sit on my hands and not respond when people who do not know me, have never met me, and don’t know what I look like make statements like that.

    So yeah, Michael, I get where you’re coming from. I’m sorry for not making my point more clear from the get-go, but I’m not sorry in the slightest for saying what I said and feeling what I felt when I read this thread. I’m going to assume you now understand where I was/am coming from.

  • strumpetwindsock


    Butter maybe less healthy than putting olive oil on your toast, but not compared to margerines, which are poison. Same thing with lard vs. shortening.

    I think it is far more important to pay attention to how processed food is than its fat or caloric content. It’s also important to watch when and how you eat – nothing heavy in the evening, and don’t just lay about after a meal.

    But just cutting back doesn’t work, from what I have been told, because your body’s metabolism just slows down, then the fat comes back with a vengance once you grow tired of starving yourself.

    And besides, with animal fats it doesn’t take a lot to go a long way in the flavour department. Instead of tossing those chicken skins, render them and freeze the fat, then use a tablespoon next time you want to broil potatoes. Or rather than eating a huge chunk of meat, slice it into small pieces and mix it with the rest of your food .


  • The Milkman

    Miss Vanderbilt, if you’re ever in my part of the world (Madison), let me know. I’d like to buy you a cocktail.

  • Andy Bee

    I, for one, have always been a fan of these more “natural” looking men. Someone with a pot-belly is a lot more interesting to me than a guy with rock hard abs and pecs. How comfy can muscles be, really?
    I just thought I’d post a pro-belly reply, as most of the replies I’ve read are against anything above 0% body fat.

    For the record, I don’t have a pot-belly, at all, but I like them.

  • Rick

    @Giovanni: I am really tired of the red meat that is thrown out each week about someone’s appearance.

    It’s always the same. A jerk at Queerty is told to write something stupid about someone’s appearance and then wait for the manipulated masses to chime in. There’s always a huge response.

    Over it.

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @The Milkman: You betcha, babe. Loving your blog, by the way. You’re bookmarked now.

  • B

    I think it’s really sad that something as ridiculous as body image causes so much strife. I don’t mean to be all “Can’t we all just get along,” but it seems appropriate.

    I don’t understand those who look at overweight (whatever that is) people and say “hmmph glutinous and lazy” and those who look at skinny/muscular people and say “vain and trite.” This argument is something bigger than just the gay culture. The US in its entirety is severely split. Yes I live in NYC and do I mull over the fact that my family in Indiana and a large portion (no pun) of the state is overweight? YES! I also make fun of silly New Yorkers who have nothing better to talk about than Muscle Milk. REALLY? REALLY? But that’s not because I’m jealous or mean. It’s because I’m worried!

    With that said, I would like to make a proposal to the gay community, well those who read Queerty at least. Let’s all of us, take this trend and own it. Let’s all get pot bellies and open the lines of conversation about things like Healthcare Reform, Gay Marriage, North Korean Nuclear weapons, and such. See I figure if we all stop separating our own subcultures into subsubcultrues we can accomplish much more!! Let’s do it!

  • Rhydderch

    @B: but if I can’t make fun of other peoples shortcomings how else can I elevate myself above others? I live in San Francisco and it seems that all conversations revolve around HealthCare Reform, lowering your personal carbon footprint, increasing bike paths and urban planning. I need my dose of catty behavior and look to Queerty to fill that niche.

  • B

    @RHYDDERCH No worries, just remember that the best form of arrogance is that which doesn’t need to be discussed. Simply go through life fully embracing your elevated platform of existence by knowing that you live in San Francisco and that you are better than the rest of the country. Smugness needs not to be announced simply lived.

    *disclosure: Please note that while you may believe San Francisco to be the God’s gift to the country, the smugness and pretension by no way out measures that of the greatest city in the US, New York City.

  • allancsn

    My phrase de jour – ‘I admire no one for simply being nice to look at’ – I love that. Hollywood fucked then.

  • Brian

    FAT = LAZY

    I wish the income tax system was based on body fat percentage. The lazier you are, the more you pay. Maybe that would work. It seems that simply being unattractive doesn’t work.

    Fat people trade sex for food. I’d still rather have an orgy that a buffet.

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @Brian: And I wish people had to pass IQ tests and psychiatric evaluations to get breeding licenses. Maybe that way we could have avoided the tragedy of your birth.

  • Brian

    @vernonvanderbilt: Fat, lazy (obvious) and sexless people are so charming. Have you cookies and ice cream and go to bed.

  • tmorley

    Trolling asplosion!

  • Rick

    Last word, fuckers.

  • vernonvanderbilt

    @Rick: Hardly. :P

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