Dr. Phil today spent his talk show discussing “gender confused children,” the dangers of early hormone therapy, chatted with parents of trans children and debated Focus on the Family’s right-wing perspective. Obviously these are controversial topics and you can be sure Phil’s message boards are positively burning up right now. But one comment more than any other has been fueling the debate:
As a Christian, I KNOW that people are NOT born gay. God created man and woman to procreate and there is no way two women or two men can naturally procreate together. God loves all of His creation, but He also gave us free-will to make a choice and being gay is a choice. Find people who have been delivered from being gay and perhaps you may be enlightened. We have to get out of this mindset of allowing children to be what they THINK they want to be. Parents are stewards of children and are expected to raise them with morals that line up according to the Word (Holy Bible) and not according to what society accepts.
The gay folk are having a field day.
Note: Apparently some of you aren’t familiar with “message boards,” because there’s confusion on where that quote came from – it’s from some anonymous Phil viewer, not the host.
Darrell6tt
Who said that? Dr. Phil or one of the guests?
kevin
Of course the quote is absolutely on target. IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN. For the rest of us, not so much. The problem with these people is that they think their morality MUST be everyone’s morality. That is what they call a zealot, which is the first cousin of a tyrant.
Johan
Undoubtedly one of the people posting on his message boards.
CondeNasty
Again as I have said in previous posts. Deeply religious people like this just cannot get their heads around the fact that people are indeed born gay. You will never ever change a mind that is so tightly pressed into a little box. My very best friend came out to his baptist parents 10 years ago and they still send him ex-gay ministries literature on a regular basis. They just don’t get it and cling to that Love the sinner hate the sin BS. Truly toxic.
Tim
Well if it’s in all caps in MUST be true.
Lena Dahlstrom
FWIW, “gender confused” is fundie-speak for trans people. So the whole way the debate was framed was biased from the get-go.
St. Francis Of-a-sissy
There are some really good pro-gay/pro-TG posts on the linked message board already. Here’s one:
“Homosexuality is between the ears. Gender is between the legs. Focus on the Family is full of it. Their narrowmindedness and misinformation is disgusting. As a mom of a MtF transsexual, I know more than my ABC’s about this subject. It’s a devasating condition (GID) but can be reckoned with and Thank God my daughter did so. There is peace in the family but most of all, peace within herself. GID (gender identity dysphoria) has nothing to do with “lifestyle”. The earlier the child is treated for his/her GID, the better. This condition has nothing to do with God.. God is gender-blind as we all know and we’re ALL His children. Focus has tried desperately to brainwash homosexuals and in most cases it hasn’t worked. Gender Identity has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. My daughter lives a good life, pays taxes (a LOT), votes in every election and is a responsible member of our American society. Focus and the far religious right want people like my daughter to be treated like a sub-human and this must be stopped!”
Carsen T.
Augh, fundamentalist christians are pains in the ass who not only use the Bible selectively as a weapon, but also don’t know shit about the context of the Bible. I’ve been reading the Bible since I could read at three years old, and all good scholars of the Bible, know what was meant behind that damn quote and why it doesn’t even matter today. Plus anyone who was a good, decent christian would know the being LGBT is not a choice and it is just what God had plan for you; because God made you and he doesn’t make any mistakes….unless you count the times where he put some one in the wrong body; but he has a plan behind that as well.
michael
He’s a God Damned idiot from Texas. His practices are unethical
and he is nothing more than a blow hard. Fuck him and the whores ass he slid out of, (the ugly whore that is)
dizzyspins
Even if you think being gay is abnormal, that doesn’t mean people can’t be born that way. People are born with all kinds of disfigurements and diseases. Did they CHOOSE those handicaps?
If we all agreed with the fundamentalists that being gay was a disorder, we actually ensure our rights through the Americans with Disabilities Act. It’s a twisted idea, I know, but something to think about.
RainaWeather
I agree comment 10. He might as well say people choose to be blind.
Shirokuma66
Further proof he’s wrong, evidence in a new survey conducted in Australia says there is a genetic link to being born someone who feels they need to go through sexual transition surgery. I’m certain there is other genetic evidence that we are born gay/lesbian as well.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24556880-663,00.html
Didn’t know this about Dr. Phil and am quite shocked at his ignorance. Does Oprah, his benefactor, know?
NeoPhoneix
Probably Dr. Phils way of increasing his ratings. I remember a few years ago he had a teenager and her mum on and the girl (I think she was about 16) was coming out of the closet and Dr Phil basically said to this young woman “how do you know? should you at least go out with a boy?” (not exactly quoted it was a long time after all) and this poor girl had that from both sides of the stage (her mum and Dr Phil). To be honest, I wouldn’t like Dr Phil treating me for anything.
TSGuy
I wouldn’t want Dr. Phil to treat me for anything either but at the very least there’s at discussion about it.
Thanks #12 for the link to the article. It matches a similar study in the Netherlands.
here’s a link: http://www.symposion.com/ijt/ijtc0106.htm
I’d be interested to see more studies for Female-to-Male Transsexuals as well.
Finally, not all self-identifying Christians are bigots, just like not all from the LGBT family are even remotely positive supporters of their transsexual cousins. But then, hatred exists everywhere.
Devlin
Hey, writer, you left out one very important point, who said that statement?
David
Yeah, was that Dr. Phil talking or a guest? Please clarify.
David W
“Hi. It seems to me people should be smart enoguh to realize “message board” is a – well, a message board. will make a note of it, though.”
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AB
After emailing the editor for clarification as to who said that quoted statement and getting his snarky reply above, it would seem he doesn’t think some of his readers are “smart enough” to figure out his choppy writing style.
That being said, to clarify for others who found the article’s sentence structure hazy at best, Dr Phil did not say that quoted statement.
PS To the Editor …. Re: your reply above … enoguh is spelled enough.
Tammie
Unfortunately there will be some people that will
always be against us, it does not matter how much
science there is, how many support us, they will
believe that we are sick individuals. I know, my
mother is one of them. If a mother cannot except
their own child…”unconditional love?” I think
even if God came down and slapped her across the
face and asked her what the hell is she doing, she
would still not except us.
Like some of you have eluded to, some people have
prejudices, and they will select a couple words
out of the bible to support themselves…missing
the main message of the bible altogether. Maybe
someday scientist will discover a gene that
explains why some people have narrow minds. If you
think about it, its really amazing, look around,
the diversity in nature, but “gender and who you love” has to fit into two categories…
Basically, prejudice still exists and will for sometime, even in the LGBT community, which saddens me very much.
Maybe in another 100 years…
lyssa
So, lets see…Dr Laura with a bald head, I mean Phil, talks shit about trans folk and the gays make it all about them.
Typical. Selfish fucks… get a clue, and show some respect.
Nothing has changed since Elizabeth Birch stole trans women’s lives to parade in front of a congress for gay only rights, and lets not forget turning Barry Winchell into a fag for the (immoral) gay rights cause at the expense of trans lives.
Just stop the appropriation, already.