Geraldine Ferraro’s a slow learner.
The failed vice-presidential candidate stepped down from Hillary Clinton‘s campaign in March after alleging that rival Barack Obama had a leg-up because of the color of his skin.
Well, now that the race is winding down, Ferraro has now blasted fellow Democrats for their sexism and – wait for it – reverse racism! And, as she did before, Ferraro feeds on “affirmative action fears” – black power threatens white dominance.
Writes Ferraro:
Since March, when I was accused of being racist for a statement I made about the influence of blacks on Obama’s historic campaign, people have been stopping me to express a common sentiment: If you’re white you can’t open your mouth without being accused of being racist. They see Obama’s playing the race card throughout the campaign and no one calling him for it as frightening. They’re not upset with Obama because he’s black; they’re upset because they don’t expect to be treated fairly because they’re white. It’s not racism that is driving them, it’s racial resentment. And that is enforced because they don’t believe he understands them and their problems. That when he said in South Carolina after his victory “Our Time Has Come” they believe he is telling them that their time has passed.
Quite frankly, we find this absolutely disgusting.
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Ferraro claims that she’s interested in reconciling the party, but the 72-year old seems more captivated by exasperating already entrenched divides. If Ferraro were really interested in party unity, she would have used her space in the Boston Globe to offer an olive branch. But, as if speaking from America’s dark past, this woman would rather harp on sentiments many Democrats would rather forget.
There’s only one word for Ferraro’s backhanded maneuver: despicable. Ferraro should be ashamed of herself and, we think, may qualify for psychiatric assistance. Her grasp on reality remains tenuous, at best.
Veronica Trash
If Geraldine Ferraro has nothing positive to say, then she should keep it to herself. She continues to make this a race issue, when it’s not.
Zoe
I just don’t understand this lady. It’s like he’s nothing but some black guy swooping in to take the office. Does she seriously think he meant by “our time has come” that all black people were going to come and take over the white house? This bitch is crazy. For serious.
Bob
She’s got a point, although she makes it poorly. Hillary faced enormous sexism throughout the campaign, and her supporters were constantly labeled “racist” if they dared question anything about Obama and his (entire lack of) specifics on any issue. It literally was as though a white person couldn’t even ask a question of Obama without being automatically labeled a racist. If you were white and not on the Obama bandwagon, you are a racist, according to the Obama worshippers. And yet it was fine for sexism to thrive throughout the campaign. Disgusting.
fredo777
I think the whole phrase “reverse racism” is ridiculous. No race of people is immune from having racist (or racially discriminated against) members.
Bob
And another point — why must Ferraro offer an olive branch? Shouldn’t it be the victors who are obligated to reach out to those who may not be behind their candidate? Or does the Obama camp really expect Hillary’s supporters to beg to be allowed back into the party tent?
flightoftheseabird
In the famous words of Kramer, “You need to shut up!”
James
Church Lady will soon be singing Ferraro’s praises soon.
ChristopherM
She’s so right, we white people have it SO HARD! I don’t know why I never saw it before. I can’t tell you how often I get followed around stores, pulled over for no apparent reason, offered sub-prime mortgages even though I qualify for good rates, and targeted for voter suppression in my neighborhood. Oh wait, that’s not me, that’s black folks! Clearly Ms. Ferraro is not used to black folks who don’t sit there quietly and appreciate being invited along for the ride by the benevolent liberal whites.
John
The woman tried twice to get elected to the senate and couldn’t do it. Obama did, and now he’s leading clinton. She sounds like one of those people who is for equal rights for minorities, as long as those minorities never try to make use of said rights
moonbat
cmon geraldine. reverse racism is as real as unicorns.
http://www.racialicious.com/2008/05/28/ferraro-mania/
CAm
To the person who said “She’s got a point, although she makes it poorly. Hillary faced enormous sexism throughout the campaign”
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Oh really? Lets see, she started out with every major elected Dem and Dem power broker in her corner, with a nationwide fundraising machine, with a former president of the U.S. fundraising for her, with her face on every magazine in the country. Face it, she was out organized, and like some people “John Kerry, Trent Lott etc…” the more people see her the more they didn’t like her. When you start out on top and then fail it isn’t sexism, it’s failure.
Bob
CAm, dear, I didn’t say she didn’t fail. She did. But she also was subjected to enormous sexism. Just do a search to see how many times she was referred to as a “bitch” (a clearly sexist term), even sometimes by Obama’s own staffers. And then look up how many times Obama was called the N-word. Yeah, pretty stark difference. Yes, she is a flawed candidate. And yes, she ran a bad campaign. But to pretend she was not subjected to sexism is flat-out naivety and ignorance.
Tom
What gets lost in all of this “black/white” race garbage is the message Obama has delivered and how much it resonates with people who are supporting him.
Obviously race hang-ups are still a big problem in this country, just like homophobia, sexism, xenophobia, etc. But for Ferraro to continue to harp on this simplistic statement that “If you’re white you can’t open your mouth without being accused of being racist” is flat-out ridiculous. What it shows more than anything is that Clinton supporters will continue to divide Democrats along racial lines with the aim that Obama is defeated in November and then Clinton can try again in 2012. Or they are such bitter old queens they would rather see a Republican win than Obama. In either case, whoever in the Democratic Party promotes this “black/white” garbage are all a bunch of pathetic, disgusting losers.
Gregoire
Cries of sexism against Hillary Clinton ring hollow. She was poised to take the nomination in January and instead she lost it by being second best, plain and simple.
Gregoire
“Just do a search to see how many times she was referred to as a “bitch†(a clearly sexist term), even sometimes by Obama’s own staffers. And then look up how many times Obama was called the N-word”
Those two words are hardly equatable. In fact ‘bitch’ was used to describe Clinton in a POSITIVE manner on Saturday Night Live, and was done so by a woman.
What those who cry sexism seem to forget is that most people consider Hillary a Clinton, not a woman. In most senses, she has overcome almost all prejudices to become massively unliked as a human being, not merely as a woman.
She comes with as much baggage as her husband, who is a man. The world merely suffers from Clinton exhaustion.
Bob
So Gregoire, just to follow your point – It’s OK for a black person to call Obama a N-word then? Because I’ve heard other black folks use that term with each other, and in a positive way. So does that negate the racism of the word the way you apparently believe the sexism of the word bitch is negated when a woman uses it? If you can bother to read further up, I posted that Hillary was a flawed candidate and ran a lousy campaign. And that she failed. So I’m in no way suggesting sexism was the only reason she didn’t prevail. But it played a part, whether you want to admit it or not. Just as I suspect racism will ultimately doom Obama.
hisurfer
I think this whole argument about which is worse, racism or sexism (or homophobia or any other form of bigotry), only leads to dead-ends. It’s not a contest to see who was the most victimized, and we don’t gain a thing by trying to prove that we suffered more than the other guy.
fredo777
I completely agree with Hisurfer on this one.
charlie
I voted for Clinton in the California primary, but her conduct since the primary has left me regretting that vote. And today’s California Field Poll bears out that I’m not alone in changing my preference from Clinton to Obama. Sure she’s still extremely intelligent and competent, but she also seems willing to say or do anything to get herself the nomination.
I don’t think she cares if the Democrats win in November if she’s not the nominee. As a matter of fact, I believe that her campaign is trying to sabotage Obama’s chances, hoping that she can pick up where she left off in 2012.
Unlike many Clinton supporters, I would vote for her against McCain in the unlikely event she should be the nominee. But I would have a hard time ever voting for her again if there were another viable Democratic candidate. Her duplicity about the Michigan and Florida primaries, her comments about McCain but not Obama being ready to take over as Commander in Chief, her characterization of her supporters as “hardworking, white Americans” are just a few examples of why my opinion of Clinton has changed.
Yes, both sexism and racism still exist in this country. But it’s amazing to me that some women can be more offended by Obama’s calling a woman “sweetie” than they are by McCain’s promise to appoint Supreme Court justices who would overturn Roe vs Wade. You’d think they would be worried about a march back in time to the days when women died from illegal backstreet abortions. But maybe they are secretly hoping that it does happen, and they can use it as a campaign issue in 2012.
It’s strange for Ferraro to bring up reverse racism. She was a minor US Representative from NY, whose main qualification for being the Democratic vice presidential nominee was her gender. Isn’t that reverse sexism? Well, she turned out to be an absolutely terrible candidate, even beyond the fact that her husband was accused of shady financial dealings, including theft and alleged mob ties (reinforcing the very worst Italian-American stereotypes). Athough some people appreciated her prickly personality and being very outspoken, her habitual shooting from the hip without considerig the impact of her words was a godsend to Republicans, contirubing to a Democratic defeat. She did not have the stature, the intelligence, the political savvy, or any other qualification to be on the national stage. Unfortunately, she has not improved with age.
Adam
People. Whatever you opinions, STOP COMPARING SEXISM AND RACISM. They are two different things. As are calling someone a bitch and calling someone the “N-word,” which is a particularly laughable comparison.
Clinton has faced subtle sexism in this campaign, that is deep-seated, pervasive, and often unnoticed. But she also had immense advantages. When Ferraro says that Obama wouldn’t be here if he were white, all I can think is “Clinton wouldn’t be here if her name wasn’t Clinton!”
People have advantages and disadvantages. (For example, Obama has faced massive waves of xenophobia because of a false rumor that he is a Muslim.) Get over it!
Bob
No, Adam, you are wrong. Calling a woman a bitch is akin to calling a black person the N-word, a Hispanic person a wetback, a disabled person “crip,” etc. It’s about taking an unchangeable part of someone’s make-up and using it to put them in a position of lesser power. Just because you think bitch does not equal N-word, doesn’t mean all women do.
Reality Dose
Anybody who doesn’t think that a white person has to tiptoe more when it comes to what they say needs a good dose of reality juice.
Wake the hell up.
Adam
Bob, go ahead and call it “akin.” I’ll disagree with you, but it’s your opinion to have and defend.
Calling it “the same” is a joke. If it were “the same,” then calling a woman a bitch would call the following things to mind: slavery, lynching, and wrongful imprisonment.
Calling a woman a bitch is definitely a problem. It reinforces the long-standing notion that a man who is angry is righteous, while a woman who is angry is, well, a bitch. It’s dismissive and demeaning and (unfortunately) effective, and that’s unfair at best. “Disgusting” is probably a more fitting term.
But just because the uses of “bitch” and the N-word are both wrong, that doesn’t mean they are “the same.” Or even “akin.”
The debate between these two candidates is worse off for trying to draw such comparisons. From the moment Clinton lost Iowa, old-guard feminists like Gloria Stein (in the New York Times) have been trying to argue that sexism is worse than racism. It’s a sad and useless argument. They are different things.
Adam
Reality Dose: You are right. White people have to do more tiptoeing. That doesn’t justify Ferraro’s comments.
Bob
Adam, I want to make sure I understand this. Gloria Steinem is wrong for arguing that sexism is worse than racism because they’re different things, and yet you go on and on about how using the N-word — a racist term — is sooooooo much worse than a sexist term because it brings up slavery, imprisonment, etc. Certainly seems to me you’re doing your best to point out racism is worse, yet you call anyone out who disagrees with you. Interesting.
Bill Perdue
This discussion ends all doubts that the Democratic (sic) Party is a cesspool of bigotry owned and run by racists, misogynists and anti-GLBT bigots. There’s no question that Hillary Clintons been hurt by sexism or that she, Ferraro and Bill Clinton actively courted racist votes. Just as there’s no doubt that Billary and Obama pandered to the religious right, kept their mouths shut when our agenda was unceremoniously dumped and avidly support the war, islamophobia and zionism or that they voted for union busing measure like NAFTA and against welfare and socialized medicine.
No wonder 40-60% of eligible voters always set it out. It’s heartening to see that so many of us decline to pull the trigger at our own execution.
A Republican politician is a baboon in a people suit with Pat Robertson attached at the hip. A Democratic politician is a Republican in drag.
Adam
Bob. Our N-word/bitch debate is not the same as the racism/sexism one, so don’t conflate our two our arguments.
For the record, I do believe that the N-word possesses more potential to be psychologically scarring. I also believe that words like “bitch” are their own sort of problem, precisely because they are more accepted.
This does not mean that I think RACISM ITSELF is worse than sexism. Why? Because, one more time, for effect: the argument is pointless and pathetic because sexism and racism ARE DIFFERENT. NOT THE SAME. NOT WORTH PITTING AGAINST EACH OTHER.
Adam
BTW, thanks for the Steinem correction. Confused her with Gertrude Stein, I think.
V
I have started by supporting Clinton, but her campaigning disgusted me so much I’m hoping for an Obama victory soon. I think if Clinton faced sexism (and she did), she also got many votes because she is a woman. Many racists won’t vote for Obama just because he’s black, then, 90% of black people vote for him not because all know his policies (or because his policies are brilliant) but simply because he’s black. They are both losing (and at the same time gaining) votes because of their sex and race.
Richard
Ok y’all – apparently some of you forgot that the media portrayed Barack Obama as NOT getting the black vote because the black community didn’t think he was black enough. The media missed the point that the black community was actually skeptical about his chances at winning in November. Then when he won white voter support in Iowa that changed. The black community did not however support Alan Keyes because he too is black. They support Barack Obama because they believe in his values as a democrat (as opposed to Alan Keyes). Everybody has since the beginning of this primary campaign has spoken for the black community incorrectly, including Geraldine Ferraro (but this isn’t racist, right?). Hillary started out with the black vote and lost it with Bill’s travesty in South Carolina and Geraldine’s wonderful racial insight. Hillary ran her campaign into the ground. She had every advantage and blew it (in part by having idiots campaign on her behalf like her husband and Geraldine). As an african american gay voter i am sick and tired of everyone but the black community speaking for the black community. we can speak for ourselves.
CHURCHILL-Y
The only thing I would correct about Ferraro’s statement “Obama’s playing the race card throughout the campaign and no one calling him for it as frightening.” is Obama and his SUPPORTERS are playing the race card.
She’s telling the truth, Hussein Obamas “Our Time ” means Black time. Whitey you’re history!
The only thing that is “despicable” is how freedom of speech is now being trumped by Hussein’s supporters. It used to be that Bush and his thugs were at the lead on that but now the mantle has switched to Barack Hussein and his. Even though more disgusting things have been said about Hillary and her supporters we are never advocates of silencing those who do not share our views. Also I have noted a new theme on the attack front from the Hussein camp of wanting to send the opposition to “PSYCHIATRIC” WARDS.
Hussein hasn’t entered the White House and yet you want to start implementing the tactics used in communist countries like Cuba, pseudo democratic communist Russia and China? Can’t wait till you start suggesting public lashings and hangings and honor killings like in Saudi Arabia and Iran, it would be the obvious next step for Barack Hussein Obama and his thugs of course.
Beautiful guys ! Let’s disregard our history and continue on to a path of total destruction.
Richard
what in the hell are you talking about churchill-y. you sound just like the wingnuts I have worked around in the aerospace industry all my life. They hate blacks, gays and think women should know their place. They vote republican and constantly refer to Hillary Clinton as a bitch, which I highly despise. If you to talk about haters, then address those nuts I work with, if you have the guts. I have seen your blogs here before and suspect you are nothing more than a republican trying to sow hatred on this blog (because that’s the only way republicans can ever win anything).
CHURCHILL-Y
“As an african American gay voter i am sick and tired of everyone but the black community speaking for the black community. we can speak for ourselves.”- Because the “black community” does not inhabit a Nation alongside people of other ethnicities who don’t suffer from their actions. This is the type of mentality we are dealing with. A group of people who do not see themselves as belonging to the American fabric, if they could have their way they would occupy some or a couple of states and secede just as their old foe the confederates tried.
I urged anyone with a conscience to not let themselves be intimidated by them, because that’s what they want. How man videos and speeches full of hate do we need to hear from them and their supporter till we get the message?
When they get in power it will be to late to start opening our eyes.
CHURCHILL-Y
-How many videos and speeches full of hate do we need to hear from them and their supporter till we get the message?
Richard
you ARE a wingnut. I know I work with you cause one of my republican coworkers said the SAME thing about Hillary that you are saying about Barack. Give it up. They said exactly the crap you are saying now! All I want to know is, which one of you is right (is Hillary a communist bitch or is Hussein a communist nigger). I know it’s you Jed!
CHURCHILL-Y
Looks like you are thirsty for sexist and race bating arguments. Go join Afroguapo on a tour of trinity church alongside James Meeks in order to quell your thirst but remember keep it on the DOWN – DOWN-LOW.
http://www.obamameeksrecord.wordpress.com/
Richard
Stop Jed. We had this conversation at work earlier today. Remember, you hate blacks and gays (even though you are on a gay blog). You secretly want Hillary Clinton as the democratic candidate so you can bring up all the Clinton baggage again to win in November (never mind you didn’t have any to say about McCain calling his wife a cunt). I know it’s you spewing hatred because you are trying too hard, too extreme, gig up!
M Shane
I’d call her a stupid bitch if she was black and a man.
M Shane
I call all kinds of people bitches if they are. She’s a racist and presumably mentally slow.
Richard
Oh my god! All of my hater coworkers are on this blog. Listen gurls….we have been infiltrated by aerospace republican haters. Don’t let them have your pumps and don’t sleep with them (they suck in a bad, bad, very desparately secretly married Larry Craig way)!! Alert gurls, the wingnuts are here!
CHURCHILL-Y
Um…Who the hell are you talking about? perhaps you should heed your comrades suggestions for us Hillary supporters.
M Shane I’m not the first but I’m the last, I know that’s not much to yours and your ilk liking because you love to think that only women(white) are Hillary supporters and that all men are so easily fooled as to not see whats behind your candidate.
BillieXX
Richard,
Don’t waste your time. The Churchill lady is all about her bigotry, but blames others for being racist.
Richard
You mean churchill-y is one of us gurls? Wow, it sounds just like the republicans I work with. That is scary!
RPCV
I’m finally starting to admire Ms. Ferraro. For years I thought she was a left wing loon, but now I see that with age comes wisdom!! For the record, I’ll start respecting blacks when they stop calling each other nigger and when their music stops referring to their women as hos. Just a thought…….
CHURCHILL-Y
Yeah BillieXX because if there’s something thisworldneeds more of if the crap been spilled in your side. How tolerant of you!
If you are not really a loon Richard, 1- I don’t know how you landed that job, wait I do perhaps in the same manner Hussein Obama is trying to get into the White House. 2- I can see, even though if they really are Repugs as you stated, how they would keep away from you.
Richard
You’re right Churchill-y. In their case it’s because i’m gay (more so than because of my race). Interesting how you are sympathetic to their views. You sound just like them. And yes, I got the job because we all know republicans love to give black gays jobs in the aerospace industry!
CHURCHILL-Y
BS I didn’t write I sided with any repugs.
I’m a Gay man proud of it and unlike some of you I’m not willing to go back into the closet or allow a setback to the advances made in the GLBT community just because some people need to see a black man in the presidency. I would have no problem with any man or woman of any race as our President so long as they are willing to stand up to all injustices and not pick and choose some just for his political advantages.
Take your meds Richard.
ChristopherM
RPCV, you just described about .1 percent of the African Americans in this country and the millions of suburban white kids who buy their music. Get a fucking clue.
Richard
Why am I the one on meds when it’s republicans who hate me? And how did I end up back in the closet (obviously I’m not if coworkers despise me for being gay). Do you always put words in people’s mouths then attack? Listen, try putting your dick in their mouths (or theirs in your mouth as save us this tired rant), it’s more pleasureable!
CHURCHILL-Y
Already did bitch, a BIG VANILLA COLORED AND FLAVORED ONE. But what the hell a black racist Old fart like you would know about that. You’re past your bed time if you took your meds then go to sleep. I’m gonna party now the night has just started for me.
Ciao!
Mr C
No Ms Chruchill don’t party tonight.
Party on Nov 4th when a racists worst nightmare becomes true
PRESIDENT BARCK H OBAMA
VICE PRESIDENT HILLARY D.R CLINTON
HAHAHAHA……………
And as for you RPCV
The offer still stands. Meet me in person and lets see you spew your disrespect of Blacks in DC
PUNK ASS QUEEN!
BillieXX
CHURCHILL-Y,
Baby? You are nothing but a little racist. We all know that. It’s fine. Just admit it and move on.
Kisses
Nitesurf
Call me sexist, but Ferraro is one sick BITCH.
The Banania Blogger
So stupid – I have never understood “reverse racism”. It’s like white people are so inherently racist that any racism against white is the opposite of what racism *is* – from whites to others. I hate, hate, hate that term – if only because her use of it proves why she should shut the hell up!
Neal
Why bother engaging in any conversation with Church***? Seriously, it’s obvious that he’s a batshit-crazy racist! Shunning, ignoring the klansman instead of engaging him in conversation would be a better strategy.
If you saw some poor mentally disturbed person walking down the street, sputtering mad, delusional utterances, would you engage that person in a conversation? No. You would look sympathetically and keep on moving.
This is a blog. A village square. Every village has its crackpot. This guy is just Queerty’s.
BTW. As someone pointed out, wouldn’t it be just like the GOP to assign a squad of people to visit liberal blogs to try to stir up shit? Stop. Think about these people and how they operate. A top GOP operative wrote a book explaining how his firm was hired to disrupt Democratic telephone fund raising initiatives. There are plenty of cases of the GOP engaging in voter suppression, why wouldn’t they start an online campaign?
Yeah, it sound conspiratorial until you review the history of online marketing and viral marketing techniques: assign a group to generate excitement about products on key blogs and forums; or, have staff monitor them in case objectionable material is posted.
Chur**** may just be another cross-burner wannabe but who knows? In either case, not engaging in direct conversation with such a creature makes more sense.
Thomas Delayed
You should listed to Geraldine because she is 100 percent right.
Obama will get the nomination even know that the superdelagates know that Clinton is more qualified. This will happen because the democrats would rather piss off white women that black men.
That, my friends is reverse racism.
RON PAUL IS OUR BEST CHOICE.
cambel
……No. 12 · Bob
CAm, dear, I didn’t say she didn’t fail. She did. But she also was subjected to enormous sexism. Just do a search to see how many times she was referred to as a “bitch†(a clearly sexist term), even sometimes by Obama’s own staffers. And then look up how many times Obama was called the N-word. Yeah, pretty stark difference. Yes, she is a flawed candidate. And yes, she ran a bad campaign. But to pretend she was not subjected to sexism is flat-out naivety and ignorance.
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Bob, quick question, if you are going to claim something, like, she was constantly refered to as a “Bitch”, then tell me to look it up, why wouldn’t you post some numbers? Oh thats right, because the NYTimes, the WAPO etc… never actully referred to her as that, and it would be difficult for you to make your argument when you didn’t have your facts straight. You claim OBama’s own staffers did it? No, actually the staffer, who was fired called Hillary a monster, definitely a pejorative term but also gender neutral. Hillary herself brings up race. She is supported by every old white guy in the country. So again, please don’t try to claim she was the victim of rampant sexism, Hillary Clinton is A woman, not all WOMEN. Plenty of women would LOVE to have woman president….just not somebody who got there riding on the coattails of a man.
mark
Ms. Ferraro,
Obama beat Clinton fair and square, and HE abided by DNC rules, (all the candidates agreed to.) Perhaps it while Obama was winning 12 states in a row, would have been a good time to have your candidate try harder….just saying.
Or maybe she could have muzzled her race baiting,(ie. slum lord, Jesse, and sending out a mailer which darkened and broadened Obama’s face.)
So shlep back to oblivion, and Senator Clinton will be joining you there in a week.
mark
Clinton = Huckabee
A largely FORGETABLE Miss runner up
mark
btw. the Bobby Kennedy assasignation remark of Clinton’s….assured she will NEVER be within the Obama administration. Michelle should have slapped Hillary right on the spot. Had Michelle said the equivalent against Bill, all hell would have broke loose.
M Shane
You are right on the spot, Mark, about the disparity with which the canidates were treated with regards to the relative regard of their jabs.
Clinton really lost as much by debasing herself with unreturned nastiness as anything.
even at points when I considered switching she or her mates came raging in like a bunch of loonies. The singular reason that Clinton was painted as a “fighter” is justified by the degree to which she would stoop to infair, unreturned abuse: supposedly a strong quality.
The unrecognized truth is that Obama’s insistence on remaining a gentleman and refusal to fight dirty was the reason that he was attacked for being some kind of poltroon.
Infact many of us are sick to death of the mad-dog agressiveness and hegimony that have dominated U.S. politics the last 8 years.
An Other Greek
Geraldine’s legacy?
RIP!
she has gone from being a fond if obscure memory, to a prime example of how little white people understand racism, and how virulently entitled they are, -enough to cry for “reverse racism”, not only when it is clearly unwarranted, but also when the the concept of “reverse racism” itself is flawed and indefensible, and basically an invention from the white entitlement.
Yuck.
She has destroyed her legacy, in grand racist style, paving the way for Hillary to do the same…
Lesson learned?
Racism is alive and well even in the Democratic “progressive” party, and the power-mongers will stop at nothing.
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bobito
Wow, guys! That was a lot to slog through. Basically, I’m starting to get things figured out. It appears that Obama really HAS been playing the race card from day one. I mean, if he wasn’t, why couldn’t he have gotten some skin peels before entering the campaign, or borrowed some (not too much, though) of Michael Jackson’s makeup? But no, he had to run for President while keeping his skin dark. In doing so, he made race an issue.
And maybe the detractors are being more than a little unfair to Geraldine Ferraro – probably what she meant to say was that Barack Obama was lucky to have been able to SURVIVE as an African American. Although, now, why she hasn’t made this simple clarification already is something of a mystery…
But in all fairness, when a white candidate can’t cakewalk their way over an African American candidate to their coronation, er, I mean, nomination – well, that can be nothing but reverse racism.
M Shane
It’s a peculiarity to suspect that Obama “played the race card”. Of course he worked at selling himself as a part of the Afro-American minority, because most to Afro Americans he is culturally alien; he does not share a slaves legacy. Just last night my black neighbor said,after all is said ind done, that he’s a foreigner and he’s not really Black. This is the man’s own realatively uneducated take on the situation which i have heard variations of.
The thing is that he does have more in common with a large portion of young educated white men then he does with most Americans of slave extraction.
It’s silly to say that the man, Obama, is caught in the culural dilemna of an alien in this country . he doesn’t fit comfortably anywhere.
As a candidate, the first black man to run who is qualified and smart by any standards, he has to work on an actuality, and and amplify that so that that the Black community will accept him as some part of them. No doubt, some people would like to see someone running who is shucking and jiving and acting like a ghetto child. My guess about that is that many Black people benefit in many ways psychologically and otherwise by remaining under the white boot, and are scared by the prospect that one of them can win.
He has a lot in common with descendants of slaves who are successful and he has struggled to give that varied group some sort of a sense of unity. If that is’playing a black card ‘so be it. if people are talking about racism being an issue, and it is somhow illegitimate to admit the truth, you are just crazy
People were hanging blacks and not letting them use our facilities or have rights in this lifetime.
logan767
Ferraro speaks the truth – as uncomfortable as that may be for most people to hear. I admire her courage.
Afroguapo
+1 An Other Greek
bobito
No, Logan767, Ferraro is honestly describing the situation, as she perceives it. In her opinion: Hillary is the victim of reverse discrimination, Obama has been playing the race card from Day One, and he’s lucky to be black…
This is not necessarily the truth, and from a different perspective, her interpretation comes across as vile and offensive. From my perspective it’s more akin to Barbara Bush’s claim that “things had turned out quite well” for the displaced victims of Hurricane Katrina being housed in the emergency shelter of the Houston Astrodome: too far removed from what actually is going on to have an overview, but well-known enough to have access to the media and egotistical enough to think their opinions should be considered worth a fiddler’s fart, because said opinion sprang forth from her own “beautiful mind”.
If I believed in hell, I’d wish them both there to stew in their own ignorance and hubris for eternity.
bobito
oops – grammar check: that should be “egotistical enough to think that HER opinions should be considered…”
sorry.
Jessica
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fredo777
Jessica, get lost + take your spam w/ you.
AJ
From a Canadian perspective … it looks almost as if many Democrats would rather snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It looks almost as if the supporters of Mrs. Clinton would rather have Mr. McCain as their president than Mr. Obama. The depth of spite is unbelievable. Unbelievable. This seems like identity politics at its absolute worst. It allowed for years of Conservative government in Canada and it seems as if it might allow for years of Republican rule in the United States. I don’t understand this apparent fetish to have a woman president for the sake of having a woman president; in Canada, we’ve had a woman prime minister who was even more conservative in her views than the male prime minister she replaced. And then there’s Baroness Thatcher, not exactly a screaming liberal nor a strong supporter of women’s rights. I can’t begin to fathom why Mr. Obama’s race would even remotely be an issue. This is all so sad. I hope to see a Democrat in the White House next year. But if the Democrats can’t truly unite around a common candidate … good Lord. President McCain will most likely invade Iran and then … ? I hope Barack Obama becomes President. If anyone deserves to, he certainly does. He’s a visionary, and visionaries are what our world needs now more than ever before.
Reality Dose
I still don’t understand what all the fuss was about because of her comments. She said that he got a lot more attention because he was black.
She did not even say he was a bad guy. She was just calling a spade a spade. He did get more attention that Edwards, Dodd, Kucinich – all the other candidates put together.
Than all of a sudden her words are twisted to be taken as racist and infammatory and all that crap. That is what I can’t stand. The one-sidedness of the whole thing and how people are so eager to jump up, point the finger, and call someone out as a racist.
Jaroslaw
I truly hesitate to wade into this mess, but here goes. First of all, why is it necessary to describe GF as a “failed” Vice Presidential candidate? As if she would have more say about the campaign than the Presidential nominee? Indeed VP’s have little say about anything, either on the campaign trail or after election for that matter. Personally, I abhor racism and sexism but strictly on what GF has written (above)I can’t see where all the condemnation of her is coming from. If we can take J Wright’s “GD America” or Michelle’s “for the first time in my adult life” comments in context, I think we can do the same for Ms. Ferraro.
Obama, after all is only half Black and if indeed he doesn’t have that much in common with Black people descended from slaves, then what does he expect ordinary people to think when he courts the Black vote and says “our time has come?”
Someone on this post wrote “GF wrote the truth.” Someone else responded “she wrote the truth from her perspective.” Every one of us has perceptions which is obviously what politicians speak to. If they are going to pander to groups for votes based on those perceptions then GF should not be villified for pointing that out.
tpagy
(OKIE DOKIE there just trying to BAMBOOZLE Ya and HOODWINK YA Ya’ll no about HOODWINK DON’T CHA) Barak Obama on the stump prior to the SC primary and at the End of the Debate before SC primary Obama joking jabb John Edwards and referred to him as the Good Old white Guy to which Senator Edwards had a look of shock and Disbelief! What Ferarro said is wrong no Doubt about it but those to different times By Obama showed me he was as good at playing the race card as Bill Clinton referencing Jessie Jackson’s win in SC and showed Obama was’nt about Change as much as winning at all cost. I supported John Edwards and Voted for Him in Floridas Beauty Contest Obamas reference to 1.7 millon Democrats that Came out to vote on 1-29 and I Know we broke the rules so it did’nt count and that the Democratic leaders here caused this by supporting the change of date by the way the Bill had an amendment tied to it to Have a paper trail on the voting machines here to which no one ever mentions and can just hear and see the Headlines Democrats in Fla vote against a Paper Trail. Suntan Charlie and the repugs were good but hey lets blame the Democrats I know this is off topic but change is not what Obama’s about and don’t think Obama can win Fla hope I’m wrong but don’t think so!
fredo777
Holy punctuation, Batman!
Bob
Cambel,if you’re going to pretend no one has called Hillary a bitch during this campaign, then you’re completely naive. And let’s talk about getting facts straight, dear. You claim: She is supported by every old white guy in the country. Really? Hmmm. So I guess folks like Ted Kennedy and his ilk in Congress are black women? I find it enormously sad when Obama’s supporters/Clinton haters can’t even acknowledge that Clinton was the victim of sexism during this campaign. I’m a Clinton supporter, and I’ll admit that Obama has been the subject of racism (often due to the stupidity of the religious wing-nuts he associates himself with, but racism nevertheless). A little objectivity from the Obama camp would go a long way toward helping bring Hillary supporters back to the big tent.
CAm
“”No. 76 · Bob
Cambel,if you’re going to pretend no one has called Hillary a bitch during this campaign, then you’re completely naive. And let’s talk about getting facts straight, dear. You claim: She is supported by every old white guy in the country. Really? Hmmm…….””
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Once again Bob, what I asked was, if you were going to make a claim like that, lets have some backing, you once again tell me I’m completely naive, but refuse to provide any proof to back up your statements, point me to the newspapers, TV pundits, etc… who ever referred to Hillary as a “bitch”. IF you are unable to do even that little bit to back up your claims then perhaps you sould be more careful before commenting in the future.
Thomas Delayed
Geraldine is a fucking hero and if you don’t agree with that then you are a fucking sexist pig
CAm
“”No. 78 · Thomas Delayed
Geraldine is a fucking hero and if you don’t agree with that then you are a fucking sexist pig””
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Thank you for putting so succinctly the manifesto of the derranged Clinton team. “If you don’t agree with everything I say, you are an evil, hilter, sexist, racist, baby killing, fur wearing monster!”
Thomas Delayed
Cam
If you are going to dish out the shit that you have been dishing out..then you have to be able to eat it too.
Shit flies two ways. You can’t go around calling Clinton supporters racist without it resulting in some backshit.
afrolito
No.71
What exactly is “visionary” about Obama?
All I see is an empty suit.
fredo777
I love how people are using the same cliched statements against Obama.
That empty suit line definitely makes the list.
afrolito
It’s not a cliche if it’s true.
Tom
There appears to be a new strategy by someone (and I am not so sure it is Clinton people). But it goes like this: Keep repeating over and over again that Obama supporters consider Clinton supporters racists because they do not support Obama. Once that thought is planted, then (white) Clinton supporters would naturally become hostile to supporting Obama because no one likes being called derogatory names. So here on this site there appear to be a few people who keep claiming that Obama people are calling them racist, when in fact, no one here has done so.
Its an interesting strategy and appears to be right of the Karl Rove (one sick f**k) playbook. If on the other hand it is Clinton people promoting this garbage, then its only done to see Obama lose so Hill can run again in 2012. In either case, it is a despicable game and hopefully people won’t fall for it.
Frankly, I don’t think Clinton supporters racist because racists in my book are people who use their power, intimidation, and violence to deny and/or take away life opportunities on the basis of race. The mere act of supporting a candidate can never in itself be a racist act. It can be racist when someone then transforms that support into denying the other person the right to vote because of skin color.
I think some of the people here who viciously attack Obama are either deranged, deluded, ignorant, hillbilly bigots, or as one post said about churchill, “bat-shit crazy”, but I don’t think they are racist.
Just a thought…
afrolito
Obamanuts are a paranoid bunch.
Tom
It’s not paranoia if it’s true.
fredo777
Afrolito, a cliche can be both an overused statement + true.
Not the best argument, that.
Bill Perdue
Tom 84, “deluded, ignorant, hillbilly bigots” IS the functional definition of racists.
Racism is a socially dangerous form of mental illness, which you can easily detect in the comments of CHURCHILL-Y and others. The many people here who describe them as “batshit crazy” are right.
Bob
Cam, look through the comments on this blog and see how many times Hillary has been called a bitch. (I never claimed it was newspapers or TV pundits who called her that, but Obama supporters). And then tell me how many times Obama was called the N-word. If that’s not good enough for you, dear, then that’s too bad. I’m not going to going searching through the Internet to find proof of what we all know is true. Again, if you want to pretend no one has ever called Hillary a bitch, you are hopelessly naive. Also noticed you didn’t seem to defend your comment that all old white men are in Hillary’s corner when I pointed out they weren’t. Hmmmm. Glass houses, dear?
Bob
Cam writes: Thank you for putting so succinctly the manifesto of the derranged Clinton team. “If you don’t agree with everything I say, you are an evil, hilter, sexist, racist, baby killing, fur wearing monster!â€
And thank you for summing up the vileness of the Obamatons with your lovely comments. Shouldn’t you just stick to calling all Hillary supporters racist instead of branching out into uncharted territory?
It’s people like you that have convinced me to vote for McCain.
fredo777
Bob, you’re comparing Hillary being called a bitch to Obama being called the N-word, as if those are the only indicators of sexism or racism, respectively.
I’m not going to point any fingers, but I’d be willing to bet that sexism + racism have both reared their ugly heads on blogs (including this one) during discussions of the campaign.
If your point is that racism never played a part for Obama’s opposition b/c the “N-word” wasn’t used w/ the same frequency (or at all) as the b-word, you’re missing the mark. I don’t think that every person who dislikes or disagrees with Obama or his supporters is necessarily racist, but that doesn’t mean it’s never a factor. People don’t have to call Obama the n-word or Clinton a b!tch to have racist or sexist tendencies.
Personally, I don’t care if Hillary is a man, woman, black, white, or turquoise. I just don’t trust her. It’s a vibe, really. And since I’m not voting Repub. or for Barr, that leaves Obama (if he gets the nom). If she got the nom, I’d have voted for her, b/c she’s a dem + not Barr. Just b/c I, for one, don’t dislike her for being a white woman, doesn’t mean there aren’t those who do. It’s the same w/ Obama being a black man. My point is, the “Obamatons” aren’t always off-the-mark when they complain of racism, just like Clinton supporters aren’t always wrong in citing sexism. It happens. Even among The Gays.
Tom
Bill (88), I think we give “deluded, ignorant, hillbilly bigots†too much credit and power when they are referred to as racists. True racists are not offended by the label, in fact relish it. The people (or person) ranting on this site and denigrating black people are small-minded bigots who get a thrill from this activity. We should not elevate their cheap thrill to the level of the harm caused by people who use their power to hurt other people based on the color of one’s skin (which is my functional definition of racism).
Bob
Fredo, did you even read my posts? I wrote this above: I’m a Clinton supporter, and I’ll admit that Obama has been the subject of racism (often due to the stupidity of the religious wing-nuts he associates himself with, but racism nevertheless). And yet, you write: If your point is that racism never played a part for Obama’s opposition b/c the “N-word†wasn’t used w/ the same frequency (or at all) as the b-word, you’re missing the mark. Umm, I said racism played a role. I don’t know what more I can do.
fredo777
Bob, I did catch your comment on racism dooming Obama in the future, but I was only responding to your “n-word” comment. It was as though you felt the infrequency of Obama being called that word (as compared to the frequency of Hillary being called a b*tch) during the campaign necessarily suggested a lack of racism. I’m sure sexism did play a part, as racism likely did, in some of the voting, but I don’t think it’s why she lost (if I may be so presumptuous).
As I said in another post, though, I’m over the whole race/sex issue being played out from both sides of the fence. So, I’ll just let this be.
fredo777
Update: I did read your posts, Bob, even though the off-and-on status of your name being hyperlinked lead me to believe you were two different people at first. You did seem to mention that racism played a part, but were complaining that people didn’t seem to think that sexism did as well.
I’ll go on the record in saying that I misinterpreted your stance. I thought you were using the “n-word” vs. “b-word” argument to suggest that racism didn’t play as much a part, in comparison to sexism.
Again, I’m going to leave this one alone.
CAm
Bob and Thomas…
Bob, you wrote “And thank you for summing up the vileness of the Obamatons with your lovely comments. Shouldn’t you just stick to calling all Hillary supporters racist instead of branching out into uncharted territory?” Please go back and point to any statement I made that called Clinton supporters racists. If you are going to attack somebody for what they have said, you should probably make sure that they said anything of the sort. Secondly, you seem to think I’m some rabid Obama supporter. Actually I’m not that hot for any of the candidates, and perhaps that gives me the perspective to see that Ferraro is a bitter old woman with a lot of venom. I don’t have to be an Obama supporter to despise the way Clinton has run her campaign. If Obama gets the nomination and you choose instead to vote for McCain that is your choice, but please don’t bitch when DOMA is upheld by the the new justices he appoints to the Supreme Court.