“Sharply cutting calories in the diets of rhesus monkeys was found to reduce aging-related deaths, according to a study that followed 76 monkeys for two decades. The findings, published Thursday in Science magazine by researchers at the University of Wisconsin, give new impetus to researchers and companies, including GlaxoSmithKline PLC, that are searching for a drug to mimic the beneficial effects of a meager diet in humans without the feeling of near-starvation. For thousands of people who already attempt to sharply restrict their food intake — by as much as 30% below a normal diet of roughly 2,200 calories a day — in an effort to live longer, the findings appear to validate a technique called calorie restriction as a way to live longer.” [WSJ]
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bigjake75
Well no kidding…you think that our fat American asses are killing us?? Of Course! Look at men like Reagan (not talking politics here) but he was renown for being physically fit his whole life, even into his 80s working on his ranch, eating sparingly, never smoking, and rarely drinking alcohol. And it took Alzheimers ten years to kill him…that is how good his physical health was,even in his 80s. Back away from the fucking buffet fatty! Take a walk, stop smoking and drinking so much, and watch your health improve!
j
I went to america and was suprised at the amount of fat people I saw. If most average americans came into a shop here they would get stared at, seriously. The amount of obesity in america shocked me, this report doesn’t.
TANK
where’s here? Because if “here” is the uk, you fat bastards have nothing to say. There are more piglets oinking around england than in the u.s., per capita.
strumpetwindsock
OECD Health Data:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity
TANK
@strumpetwindsock:
that’s uk, not england.
strumpetwindsock
@TANK:
You managed to use the two terms in one sentence.
You’re questioning the data?
strumpetwindsock
And here are rates of death from obesity (again, OECD countries)
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_obe_percap-mortality-obesity-per-capita
As for the discrepancy, who knows? Maybe smoking got them first.
TANK
@strumpetwindsock:
And yet I was right in both uses. UK has nothing to oink about. And England does have more porkers per square acre.
strumpetwindsock
@TANK:
Do you even know if J is from there?
And are you trying to squirrel out of this by bringing in population density?
You said that obesity is higher per capita in england than in the U.S., and based on stats for the U.K. that is incorrect.
If your ego is so fragile that you ignore facts and change terms in order to believe you are right, go ahead.
TANK
NO, it’s not incorrect, idiot. The UK isn’t ENGLAND, stupid. It includes northern ireland, scotland and wales. I stand by my claim that obesity rates in england are higher than in the u.s., and until I’ve see stats which flatly disprove that and that alone, fuck yourself.
strumpetwindsock
@TANK:
Yeah, you do get testy when you’re wrong (unless you have other numbers).
Have another corn dog and crispy cream doughnut; the food rush will help take the sting away.
strumpetwindsock
@TANK:
And since you’re the one who made the initial claim, the onus is on you to provide the documentation.
Or did you just pull the idea out of the air?
TANK
@strumpetwindsock:
LOL! Statistically, it’s an entirely separate question to ask what the obesity rate in the UK is to what the obesity rate in England is just as it’s a separate question to ask what it is in scotland or notherner ireland vs. the uk. Christ, you’re dumb.
TANK
@strumpetwindsock:
No. I made the claim, it’s up to a person who challenges its truth to prove otherwise, chump.
christophe
@TANK: Seems like “ALL” you ever do is try to stir the shit
might be me... but maybe not
Contrary to popular belief being fat is actually better for you. In a recent study people who were fat and lost weight were at the highest risk for disease related death, followed by people who had been thin their entire lives and then fat people.
alan brickman
Yes you fat jealous queens..stop eating so much and hit a gym already!!
TANK
@might be me… but maybe not:
I’ll take my chances. Thanks, though.
strumpetwindsock
@might be me… but maybe not:
I have read a few places that it can be unhealthy to lose a lot of fat because of all the stored toxins that get dumped into your system.
And there’s this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7988252.stm
damon459
I tried typing a response a few times for coming to this conclusion this “blog” is pointless and watching people fight over who’s fatter? and who smokes or drinks more damn people no matter what you do you won’t live forever why not trying being happy and to hell with what other tell you nobody knows for sure what will and won’t kill you just enjoy life while you can your skinny ass could be hit by a bus tomorrow.
M Shane
There are clearly a number of different factors involved in death rate.
No. 16 · might be me… but maybe no.
I’m not sure where you got statistics that show that persistently fat people live the longest; if that’s the case we’re doing well in the U.S. Even children now are porkers-10yr olds weigh almost as much as a near grown Am Yorkshire.
I’ve about given up on public trasportation. Women have such wide asses as to take up two seats.
My whole family(both sides) fortunately is on the thin side, living well into their 90’s &100’s. Exercise is a lot easier and fun too if you don’t have to move a refrigerator around.
strumpetwindsock
@damon459:
You are right that a morbid obsession with thinness (like some people definitely have) is not as good as accepting a healthy bit of body fat. One can be overweight and still be healthy.
And of course you could get hit by a bus tomorrow, but you are not likely to be able to walk in front of that bus if you are so obese that you have blown out your knee joints by the time you are 40, or developed adult onset diabetes and lost a limb or gone blind, or developed respiratory problems, or died from heart attack, congestive heart failure, kidney failure or bowel cancer.
Being happy is certainly the most important thing, but you can’t deny that diet and lifestyle choices influence how long we are likely to live, and how healthy and able to enjoy life we are going to be while we are alive.
M Shane
The ligic of this is prety easy. You have one heart muscle, it’s trenght depending to some degree on exercise. The more weight it has to support the shorter it’s lifespan.
Phoenix (The Pinko Commie Atheist Faggot)
Wow, all kinds of defensive and bitchy up in this thread!
Come on folks, it’s not news that a healthy diet and exercise is better for you than fast food and couch potato-ing. I’m no longer the slender waif I used to be and had to start eating salads for lunch and working out. Yeah, it sucks, but age and metabolism catches up with you eventually….in the U.S. and the rest of the world. No need to get tetchy about it.
Jennifer
Tank is a typical wingnut: right when he’s right and also when he’s wrong and willing to lie to be “right”. Par for the course.
Zacery
“I hate fat people…eww, fat is catching”
“OMG, thin people might get hit by a bus tomorrow, superficial queens”
Seriously, who gives a shit?! Concentrate on your own body and stop worrying about everyone else for a change.
TANK
@Jennifer:
How have I lied? Statistically, it is an entirely different question to ask what the percentage of obese people in the UK is vs. what it is in England (the UK constitutes four different countries).
Back to the topic. Obesity is unhealthy and disgusting looking. Even healthy fat is gross to look at. It’s gaggy. However, many skinny people are disgusting looking as well. You can fault the standard, but all you’re doing is affirming your own–not disagreeing with it. To do that, you’d have to prove that it’s harmful…and sorry, all of the tears shed in fat camp don’t make it harmful. Fat and flabby people are sad to look at, too. But sure, be happy with yourself at any body weight…just be sure to burqa you’re gross looking.
TANK
@TANK:
That being said, one of the greatest thinkers in history was well over three hundred pounds and lived into his sixties. If your mind is that powerful, you get a pass and can eat as much cake as you wish.
Zacery
“Tank”, shut up. Keep your horrific opinions to yourself. Why do you all care so much about how OTHER PEOPLE look? If you haven’t got anything nice to say, shut the hell up!
paul-e-wog
Google Ads for this thread feature China Grill’s NEW authentic New York Pizza and then another for M&Ms. Damn Google can be so cruel, sort of like how doughnut shops always seems to be located next to Weight Watchers.
strumpetwindsock
@paul-e-wog:
That’s funny. I’ve never seen any of those ads (maybe just in your region). I saw a weight loss ad, believe it or not.
@Jennifer:
Well, making claims with unclear terms based on no evidence whatsoever isn’t EXACTLY lying…
@TANK:
But do you really want more people to notice your so-called argument? Maybe you should stop trying to nail jello to the wall and quit while you’ve only been called out by a few people..
strumpetwindsock
And since you brought it up again, I found this a few days ago:
http://www.poverty.org.uk/63/index.shtml
Obesity stats, specific to England only, for 2007. Between 22 and 23%.
Unfortunately it doesn’t address the main point in your thesis – the idea that TANK is never wrong, but I think it sheds some light on the secondary issue.
TANK
@strumpetwindsock:
Where, specifically does it say this?
TANK
If the UK isn’t synonymous with ENgland (it’s four countries, and England is one), how can the UK obesity rate be synonymous with England’s obesity rate? Did your father piss inside of your mother?
TANK
@TANK:
Even if they were the same percentage, that is entirely coincidental.
Zacery
@ Tank
Shut up! Why do you care so much about this?!
galefan2004
I love how you show this study, mostly because it supports the diet and exercise industries (which are a staple of the gay community), but you fail to mention the study done in Japan with actual humans (yeah I guess the monkies were all to busy) that shows that being overweight after you reach age 40 actually adds around 6-7 years to your life.
Also, you are kidding yourself if you think that all people that are on calorie restricted diets are height/weight proportionate. Hell, it might also be interesting to note that since athletes eat many more calories than the average person when they are in training that this study would actually show that athletes should have a lessened life expectancy because of it.
galefan2004
@j: Yeah, when you belong to the richest nation in the world, you can eat more than the person that lives in Liberia. That is a true fact. In a way, you could say that fat people are a blessing because they show the type of indulgence that most people in this country can easily engage in. Don’t hate us cause you are jealous.
TANK
Yes, you can eat more in the “richest” country in the world because food that is sucked of vitamins and nutrients and filled with perservatives to lower the cost and increase the quantity is quite the luxury…
Pork cracklings, the mcrib and ringdings are truly something to be proud of.
galefan2004
@Zacery: This is the gay community, if we stopped cannibalizing ourselves and actually came together for a change the ex-gay ministries wouldn’t look so enticing to those poor kids that would rather be dead than be a part of this community as it is now. That can never happen, or the right wing nuts lose. The right wing nuts enjoy it when they can keep us hating ourselves and fighting with each other.
TANK
Yeah, because only the gay community has a problem with fat people… I don’t think it’s body image that pushes kids into reparative therapies.
galefan2004
@TANK: You can eat that shit and be skinny too. Some people are blessed with a much higher than average metabolic rate. Some people develop thyroid problems where they could eat a house every day and still never gain any actual weight.
TANK
@galefan2004:
But not you…fatty.
galefan2004
@TANK: No, what pushes kids into reparative therapy is their personal views. The problem is that their personal views are negative towards a community where when you don’t fit the exact norm of what you are supposed to be inside the community you are attacked.
galefan2004
@TANK: I’m very proud of my self image. I don’t need to live at a gym 24/7 and starve myself to fit into what the gay community wants. I have the ability to actually think for myself. I know that is a luxury that most have, so I’ll try not to be overly judgmental of the herd mentality.
TANK
@galefan2004:
I think it has more to do with jesus and abusive parents than being a fat slob or fucked up scenesters. Their perception of the gay community is, in most every case, contrived by heterosexuals who condemn it and have no exposure to it. Also, most people are weak and want to fit in at any cost because it’s easier…your whole life doesn’t require a single thought when you’re straight. You’ve got a template.
TANK
@galefan2004:
I’m sorry, but moobies doesn’t amount to thinking for yourself. Nice try.
galefan2004
@TANK: That is an interesting comment. I wouldn’t necessarily agree with it though. I think that your whole life can be much easier when you are straight, but not to require a thought I don’t think I agree with. You see, you get just as much pressure if not more so to conform to the straight ideals when you are actually straight. If you don’t want to get married that is wrong. If you don’t feel like dating that is wrong. If you can’t find a mate that is wrong. If you don’t want to have children that is wrong. Lets be honest, the straight community judges straight people that don’t fit in very harshly.
I don’t even agree that most people want to just fit in. I think that most weak people are following a herd mentality, but I don’t think that most people are weak. I think there are many more leaders than followers. That is why none of us can ever agree on anything.
Also, there is a difference between abusive and uneducated/stupid parents. Reparative therapy appeals to people that have dreams and goals for themselves that they simply don’t see fitting into the gay community. It also appeals to people that just don’t think they personally fit into the gay community. When all your friends are conceived to be supportive of you (just as long as you aren’t gay which means they aren’t supportive of you at all)and all the gay people you meet either want to judge you or fuck you, you quickly start to think that the gay community is just not the place you want to be.
galefan2004
@TANK: I’m sorry, but you have to have the brain the size of your dick (and by that I mean you need a microscope to actually find it) if you can actually feel comfortable equating body image with the ability to think for yourself. Then again, I’ve come to expect it from you.
Zacery
Ugh, fuck the gay community. Be friends with the gay people you want to be friends with…and ignore the others.
And “Tank”, you are seriously full of hate – it’s weird, creepy. “Fat people” as you put it are not “slobs”. You all worry too much about how you look, who cares?!
TANK
You see, you get just as much pressure if not more so to conform to the straight ideals when you are actually straight.
Then when you’re gay? I’m sorry, but straight couples don’t get bashed regularly in the state for not having kids (and I’m talking about real bashing where the wife would be in a coma), or not getting married, etc. The pressure to conform to those ideals is, I’m sure, difficult for that minority who falls outside of it, but for most of them, they’re more than happy to live the ideal…because that’s what they are.
If you don’t want to get married that is wrong. If you don’t feel like dating that is wrong. If you can’t find a mate that is wrong. If you don’t want to have children that is wrong. Lets be honest, the straight community judges straight people that don’t fit in very harshly.
I, along with anyone who is a part of a community that is actually discriminated against, have a great deal of difficulty empathizing with the malaise of straights who don’t want to get married (though have that option)… What do they have to put up with mommy’s judgment? Sooo tragic…so undeniably difficult. And yet they can still live their lives as they see fit without having to worry about things like pda’s in public places getting them killed… The horror. LOL!
I don’t even agree that most people want to just fit in.
They do. It’s the path of least resistance. Are you kidding me? Even when people want to be “individuals” they still desire to fit in.
I think that most weak people are following a herd mentality, but I don’t think that most people are weak.
Then open your eyes. Most people are followers…from the clothes they wear to the music they listen to the movies they see to the jobs/friends they have to the people they fuck to the books they read…
I think there are many more leaders than followers. That is why none of us can ever agree on anything.
NO, none of us ever agree on anything because you’re a fucktard. Disagreement is no measure of a “leader”. DO you usually talk in rambling platitudes?
Also, there is a difference between abusive and uneducated/stupid parents.
Not if abuse is the same result. Then it really doesn’t matter how it was caused. Ignorance is no excuse for abuse.
Reparative therapy appeals to people that have dreams and goals for themselves that they simply don’t see fitting into the gay community. It also appeals to people that just don’t think they personally fit into the gay community. When all your friends are conceived to be supportive of you (just as long as you aren’t gay which means they aren’t supportive of you at all)and all the gay people you meet either want to judge you or fuck you, you quickly start to think that the gay community is just not the place you want to be.
The “community”? LOL! I don’t deny that people in reparative therapies have had personally traumatic events happen to them (whether that be not wanting to be gay because of religious beliefs or wanting a family–which isn’t at all inconsistent with being gay–or whatever), but don’t act like it’s the “community’s” fault–it’s entirely the individual’s responsibility. I don’t see heterosexuals who get turned down at the bars going off to become queers.
strumpetwindsock
@TANK:
Can you read?
The stats in that survey are specific to England.
TANK
@strumpetwindsock:
Where does it say, specifically, that the english obesity rate is 22-23%?
TANK
I don’t think it distinguishes between the english and uk.
strumpetwindsock
@strumpetwindsock:
Go to “Definitions and Data Sources”:
The data source for all the graphs is the Health Survey for England (HSE) and relates to England only. To improve statistical reliability, the data in the third to fifth graphs has been averaged over the latest three years. Note that the data from 2003 onwards is weighted, whereas the earlier data is unweighted.
Now go to the very bottom of the page to the section entitled “The Numbers”. You will see that the percentage of obesity in England was 23% for men, and 22% for women in 2007.
Are you just pretending to be this obtuse, or is it just that you don’t want to accept anything that disagrees with what you think?
strumpetwindsock
Ooops.
That last comment was in response to this:
@TANK:
and this:
@TANK: