Conservative writer and former Breitbart editor Ben Shapiro has a message for the world: Just because he’s not interested in having sex with another man or a transwoman doesn’t mean he’s a bigot! So stop calling him one!
In a new think-piece titled No, You’re Not a Bigot If You Only Want to Have Sex With People to Which You Are Attracted, 33-year-old Shapiro spins quite a word salad as he tries to argue that not being sexually attracted to a person isn’t a reflection of your values.
He writes:
According to the left, all sexual behavior is malleable and based largely on social structures that have been implemented by the patriarchy. Men and women don’t exist but for their self-perception — we know that a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man, regardless of biology. That’s why Caitlyn Jenner isn’t just a man with a mental disorder and some plastic surgery and hormone injections.
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Oh, but it doesn’t stop there. Shapiro continues:
The left reasons that if a man can be a woman, then a man who only wants to have sex with biological women must be a bigot–his desires have been wrongly defined by a society that restricted the definition of womanhood to, you know, women. If only men had been exposed to the deeper truth of gender earlier. If only they’d known that some women have male genitalia. Then, perhaps they’d be willing to have sex with biological men who are actually women.
Spoken like a true heterosexual white male from a privileged background, Shaprio seems to be confusing sex with equality, which, of course, are two very different things.
He goes on to provide readers with a definition of just what it means to be straight, in case any of them didn’t know:
“Straight men are attracted to women, not men who identify as women. Straight women are attracted to biological men. As a general rule, homosexuals are attracted to members of the same biological sex.”
As a general rule?
All that, Shaprio says, is simply “reality.” And reality, he writes, “isn’t bigotry. People are attracted to those they are attracted to. … Attempting to pretend away reality doesn’t change that reality.”
This guy would fit in quite nicely with the racist “No Blacks or Asians” Grindr crowd, no?
Shapiro concludes:
The suggestion that discriminatory nastiness is at the root of the perfectly logical biological desire for people to have sex with members of the opposite biological sex is merely a slur, a crutch to cover up the illogic of the far left when it comes to gender and sex.
Our conclusion?
For someone so insistent that he’s only attracted to “biological females,” Mr. Shipiro sure seems to spend a LOT of time thinking about sex with “non-biological females.” Just sayin’.
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Xzamilloh
Where was the retort to what Ben Shapiro was saying? I saw a lot of insults but nothing in the form of a counter, and I’m not even saying I agree with the dude.
Brian
His statements are just a list of straw men followed by straw men. They’re all logical fallacies, and so they don’t require a retort. (For example, check out his phrasing: “must” be a bigot.) He’s presenting exaggerated arguments that his opposition never made in the first place, the very definition of straw men.
I’m concerned that people are losing the ability to reason. A Breitbart editor is deliberately inflammatory as part of his job. But you? What’s your excuse? Are we really destined for more bad laws and bad politicians because civilians can’t distinguish real from fake anymore? This isn’t advanced. This is middle school stuff.
Juanjo
Brian stated the matter succinctly. Thank you Brian.
jkthsnk
Ben has had a decade long struggle with his sexuality, hence the straw men. We know where this will end.
Xzamilloh
You see, Brian? That’s what the article could have done, instead of engaging in childish regressive left remarks that added nothing to the conversation. And YES, they do require a retort, because if someone presents bad logic, it can easily be shot down. Not doing so means you can’t attack the message, so you attack the messenger. Since you’re in the logical fallacy pointing out mood, why don’t you point out the ad hominem diarrhea the entire article was? And then you with your jump to laws and bad politicians because of a Jewish guy talking about dating preferences?
DarkZephyr
One more thing. I feel like those of you who are on the “Right” that come here to rush to the defense of guys like Shapiro and immediately attack the “Left” are actually doing a big disservice TO the “Right”. If you want more people to see the light as it were and come to share your viewpoint and politics, why in the HECK would you defend guys like *this* who are incredibly *terrible* for your brand? Do you REALLY want those on the outside looking in to think that this is what you ALL stand for and what you vehemently fight for and DEFEND? Seriously? Because this is one of the MANY reasons *I* will never identify with “The Right”. I will remain perfectly happy right here in the “Middle” as a moderate, thank you very much. And this type of “party before decency and reason” attitude is one of the BIGGEST reasons.
Why don’t you guys ever say things like “Sorry folks, this guy does not speak for all of us”? I never see any of you do that. You always just rush in to defend, defend, defend them and then lash out at those of us who push back at them. What’s with that? You really should be the ones pushing back at bad apples like this the hardest to protect the integrity of conservationism or “the Right”. But instead you just endorse their baloney with your defense of them.
Xzamilloh
No one commenting on this thread is on the right… now look at the straw men being thrown out. Go respond to Mo Bro.
mhoffman953
@DarkZephyr
“I will remain perfectly happy right here in the “Middle” as a moderate”
LOL, you aren’t a moderate. You side with every left wing issue there is. Name 3 issues where you don’t lean left. I guarantee that you lean left on every major topic and are far from a moderate taking the middle ground on issues
If you chastise those on the right for not disavowing someone, when will the left disavow the violent, radicals on their side? People on the right don’t always see eye-to-eye, but the left has a cult mindset and have to side with each other on every issue. Thus I’m certain you can’t name a handful of issues where you don’t lean left
Xzamilloh
Oh, come off it, Hoffman… the right have the same cult mindset and often rally their wagons behind idiots and charlatans, all while hypocritically wagging their finger at the left for doing the same. It’s why many on the left and right find themselves routinely in the middle of issues aligning ourselves with one another because the unsavory elements on both sides have somehow become their mouthpieces. You see me now disagreeing the tone of this article, as a left leaning individual, and I’ve seen you being critical of certain right leaning people, so don’t say the dissent isn’t there on the left. Although, I’ll give you the respect of saying that you weren’t implying it’s ALL of the left and your comment was geared towards Dark Zephyr specifically
Mo Bro
@Xzamilloh:
Hey now, X, no need to get personal.
Xzamilloh
No one got personal, Mo Bro… I wasn’t coming at you by telling DZ to respond to you. I’m not right leaning nor was anyone else on the thread up to that point. I know that you are right leaning (I think) so I told him to go talk to you. I don’t have any problems with anyone on this thread.
DarkZephyr
Xzamilloh “Go respond to Mo Bro.”
I was actually trying to make a general post, an “OP”, I didn’t realize my post was going to wind up as a response to you, I am not quite sure how that even happened, but clearly I screwed up somewhere or somehow, so sorry about that. That being said, I did respond to Mo Bro.
@mhoffman953 ‘LOL, you aren’t a moderate. You side with every left wing issue there is.”
I do not side with “every left wing issue there is” and I have no idea where you get that idea, I post about LGBT themed issues here, but I have made it clear numerous times at this site that I am pro-life. Where else would you have seen any of my views to get the idea that I side with EVERY left wing issue there is? What I SIDE with is what I think is right and good. I am pro-life, I believe in the right to bear arms and I believe in freedom of religion SO LONG as its not legislated in such a way that it steps on my rights or the rights of others. If my pro-LGBTQ views make me “left leaning” then so be it,. Then I am a moderate who leans more to the left than the right. This is my prerogative and I am absolutely not ashamed of it. It doesn’t neutralize the point that I made that you are responding to. It is what it is. Continue to defend crappy stuff that makes your brand look crappy. Have at it all you want. Its no skin off my nose but I intend to continue to steer clear of the Right.
mhoffman953
@DarkZephyr
Then if those are the views you hold, you actually side with Ben Shapiro on more than you actually think you do
Xzamilloh
@ Dark Zephyr me and you go way back. We coo 🙂
DarkZephyr
@ mhoffman953 “Then if those are the views you hold, you actually side with Ben Shapiro on more than you actually think you do.”
Perhaps, but I certainly don’t side with him when it comes to LGBT issues obviously. And that’s what the discussion is about. Why defend his anti-LGBT stances?
@Xzamilloh, thank you my friend.
IDoNotHaveToAgreeWithYou
He’s right and who are you to insult him for who he is and isn’t attracted to? Isn’t that want you don’t want?
MikeE
The question is actually “who is insulting him for who he is or isn’t attracted to?”
As far as I know, he has never been attacked for his attraction, but he HAS been attacked for his bigotry and promotion of hatred.
There is a chasm between the two.
IDoNotHaveToAgreeWithYou
Then you didn’t read this article. All it does is, insult him for being white and heterosexual. There isn’t one single counterpoint or argument in it. Just all insults.
Brian
Don’t give him clicks. Don’t even link to him. You can describe it without supporting it.
Xzamilloh
So what if they link to him? What is your deal? Queerty is clearly not supporting Ben Shapiro, and bringing attention to someone in a negative light is not supporting them. In fact, why don’t you head over to Ben Shapiro and give him a well-thought out cohesive response to his article, instead of sitting here talking about how Queerty shouldn’t be committing the only journalistic integrity I see here by linking the original article, which is what you’re SUPPOSED to do so that the reader can see that the words were not taken out of context? Stop being a baby.
Brian
He was inflammatory so that people would create a fuss. It was a deliberate strategy, and it seems to have worked. He gets paid by clicks. We shouldn’t be giving him more.
No, his article does not “require a retort.” Your logic train is a mess, and your caps-lock screaming is an eyesore. You don’t have a level head about this.
Xzamilloh
Oh, right… he made Queerty respond in such a juvenile manner, something they never had to do in the first place, but decided to, and once they did, they did had the integrity to link to the original argument, which I will say again, is the responsible thing to do. Only a complete baby would say something dumb like “Don’t give him views… he isn’t worth our time.” Apparently, Queerty doesn’t agree with you, and neither do I. You don’t know the first thing about “logic” because you haven’t exercised an iota of it in the whole time you’ve been responding. For all the crap you keep saying about Shapiro’s article not being worth a retort, you could have long explained why it doesn’t deserve a retort. And BY THE WAY, I’m holding down the Shift key, not Caps Locks…. so HA!!
Xzamilloh
*did have
Mo Bro
White? Check.
Straight? Check.
Privileged? Check.
Racist? Check.
Conservative? Check.
Male? Check.
Kudos for including all the appropriate liberal buzzwords, but you forgot “fascist.”
And for crying out loud, where is the Trump connection?!?
Juanjo
Miss FakeBroTroll is back with more examples of those straw men Brian pointed out are an invalid form of argument. But then that is all FakeBro has to offer, along with ad hominems and other logical fallacies.
Mo Bro
@Juanjo:
Not true . . . I also have my charming disposition and smashing good looks to offer.
But it’s always amazing to me that you and so many others can’t grasp that another lgb person doesn’t agree with your politics, hence we must all be impostors. It doesn’t take a psych major to diagnose that as extreme tunnel vision.
DarkZephyr
I don’t see where anybody asked if you agreed with their politics.
And what Shapiro said was pretty lame… Why do you not comment on that?
NOBODY gives a care if he isn’t attracted to men and who has told him he was a bigot simply for being heterosexual? Do you actually NOT have a problem with goofiness like this simply because it comes from a conservative?
At any rate, what politics is it that you don’t agree with most other LGBT people on?
For my part, my LGBT themed politics are this:
I want full equality, to be treated with respect and not not have legislation enacted against me or other LGBTQ people whether their excuse is a religious one or not.
Are these the types of politics you disagree with, Mo Bro?
Mo Bro
@DZ:
Juanjo didn’t ask me about my politics, no, but he and others are frequently claiming I’m a troll, I’m not lgb, that I’m a “fake,” and why do you think that is? Is it because they don’t like my name? Maybe they’re just grumpy? Is it because they found sand in their lube? No, it’s because of my politics—duh. You know that. I’m a bi man who believes in gay married couples defending their cannabis farms with AR-15s, that’s what I’m all about, so there’s nothing “fake” about me.
Regarding Ben Shapiro, he’s a very intelligent guy, but he, like many others, is a devoutly religious man whose world doesn’t understand things like same-sex attraction . . . hence, he’s not going to be spouting pearls of wisdom regarding us, so I ignore him. You should, too.
DarkZephyr
@Mo Bro “Juanjo didn’t ask me about my politics, no, but he and others are frequently claiming I’m a troll, I’m not lgb, that I’m a “fake,” and why do you think that is?”
Do you really want me to answer that? I think its because of the very thing I was talking about. Defending crappy things said by conservatives seemingly just because they are conservative. That is the sincere impression that I get. And also how you always like to bring Trump up even when the article has nothing to do with Trump.
Do *I* think you are a fake LGBT person? I will take your word for it that you are bisexual even though it genuinely mystifies me how an LGBT person can support people that tend to be anti-LGBT.
” I’m a bi man who believes in gay married couples defending their cannabis farms with AR-15s, that’s what I’m all about, so there’s nothing “fake” about me.”
So you do believe in LGBT rights? Then how does it make you feel when the politicians and public figures that you support want to overturn same sex marriage or block it in other ways?
Do you speak up against that? I ever see you do so. I do see you occasionally say that so and so needs to be ignored like you just did here…but by that token, shouldn’t the people here that annoy you also be ignored?
But you don’t ignore them, and I suspect that its because you feel a conviction to speak up. That is how many of us feel when it comes to the things guys like Shapiro say. Perhaps you can at least understand that if not approve? We feel a similar conviction to speak up.
Based on what you said about same sex couples and cannabis farms, it seems to me that you at least have SOME common ground with us when it comes to LGBT politics. It would be great if we could all unite on that front at least.
BigWill
@Mo Bro: “I’m a bi man …” Don’t forget biracial, Fake Biracial Bisexual…I mean Mo.
People here have your number. Troll away, just know that nobody’s buying the ruse; you make it too obvious. I’d give you a hint as to how, but that’s for you to figure out.
Mo Bro
@DZ:
I’m not a conservative, but liberals think that if one isn’t liberal enough, then one must automatically be conservative. That’s like assuming that if one doesn’t like the color black than that person must love white. I’m pure grade-A Libertarian.
You say it “mystifies” you how “an LGBT person can support people that tend to be anti-LGBT,” but I’ll say it again:
1) I’m only fiscally conservative; on most social issues I lean left, and . . .
2) Most Republicans don’t hate us—that’s more progressive brainwashing and over-generalizing. They’re much, much more live-and-let-live than CNN would have you believe, and those with open minds know this.
And what legitimate politician with any power wants to overturn gay marriage? If there exists such a person, they’re only spouting lip service to secure the evangelical vote. Our marriage rights aren’t going anywhere, and those who claim otherwise are merely fear-mongering.
And while on the topic, the same philosophy can said of liberals: It mystifies me how an lgb person can support the culture (Islam) that wants lgb persons scrubbed from the Earth, and yet there they are, singing their praises for a religion that wants them dead, all in the name of multiculturalism. It would be great if we could all unite on this extraordinarily self-defeating issue.
DarkZephyr
@Mo Bro you and I definitely disagree about the Republican platform concerning LGBT people. I mean literally the platform that they ran with during the presidential election was substantially anti-LGBT and authored by one of those anti-LGBT Evangelicals you mention. Perhaps at this point in the 21st-century many Republicans in the street aren’t anti-LGBT. But they aren’t necessarily pro LGBT either. At least not pro LGBT enough to influence their voting. Many of them still do not hesitate to vote for vehemently anti-LGBT politicians when it suits them. Several of my own family members Will put LGBT issues and my very equality on the back burner vote for conservative candidates even though they like to give me a lot of lip service. I don’t think they even pause for a moment before they market next next to an anti-LGBT candidate’s name as long as he or she is GOP.
As for Islam, for my part I don’t praise it. I acknowledge that it has terrible teachings concerning gay people. I really don’t think that Islam itself is a very good religion at all. However I differentiate between Muslim individuals and the religion. Because I personally know several wonderful Muslim people who are not dangerous, are not hateful, aren’t going to try to destroy us all, etc. I don’t believe in discrimination. I don’t believe in discriminate against people because of their race, because of their sexuality, because of their gender identity or their sex, and I don’t believe in discriminating against people because of their religion or creed. I judge individuals. And for this reason I don’t support Islamaphobia. I haven’t had much luck with Christianity, myself. Growing up I was raised Pentecostal in the Assemblies of God church. Their stance on gay people was atrocious. I became a Catholic at the age of 23. A very devout Catholic. And I stayed that way for 12 years. But in the end constant anti-LGBT sentiment from christians of many different sects and denominations along with the official teachings of the Catholic Church and other mainstream Christian sects on homosexuality eventually pushed me away from Christianity. I am now an agnostic. But this doesn’t mean I believe in anti-Christianity or in discriminating against Christians. I don’t believe in that at all. I judge people as individuals whether they are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, atheists, agnostics etc. And I believe everybody should have the right to practice their beliefs or non-beliefs so long as they don’t try to infringe on the rights of others or use it as an excuse to discriminate against others in that practicing of their beliefs. That goes for Muslims, Christians, Jews, atheists, agnostics etc. human beliefs should not be held as more sacrosanct than the human dignity of LGBT people or any other people. That is my belief. Yet in the United States of America, it is definitely not unheard of for religious belief to be held as being more sacrosanct than the human dignity and rights of LGBT people. Religious belief particularly Christian religious belief definitely seems to have a pride of place in this country.
Mo Bro
@DZ:
Check out Chadwick Moore. He’s a gay journalist who recently abandoned the DNC due to their current far-left practices, and he speaks of how warmly he’s been embraced by the Republicans he’s adopted. I doubt it’ll change your mind on Republicans (let’s face it, though, just because most religious people are Republicans doesn’t mean most Republicans are religious), but it might slightly open your eyes to the reality of how they treat a gay man who enters their circle, as told by that man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgFEMFIrVkI
DarkZephyr
@Mo Bro I have really got to stop making long a** posts from my cell phone. My last post read like English was my second language.
Thanks for that video.
At any rate, I can accept that there are Republicans that are personally accepting of LGBT people. As I said, my family gives me great lip service, and I have several Republican friends. A few of the Republicans in my life HAVE accepted me on a personal level…but they still vote for Anti-LGBT politicians and platforms. I wonder how the Republicans who warmly embraced that journalist vote. In fact, I wonder how that journalist himself will now vote. I am very well aware of Chadwick Moore and what has gone on with him and I also know what kinds of things he now posts to Twitter. He himself would likely vote for anti-LGBT politicians now, the way he talks. Not because he is anti-LGBT, but because now LGBT issues are back burner concerns for him. Like they are for virtually every Republican I personally know.
I mentioned my GOP family members and friends, and I have mentioned my past as a Christian. First as a Pentecostal Protestant and then as a Roman Catholic. What I didn’t explicitly mention was that I once identified as Republican. I voted for George W. Bush. I voted for John McCain. I once defended with great vehemence Sarah Palin. I was very angry at Tina Fey once upon a time.
During this period of my life I held no animus toward other LGBT people. i was warm and friendly to them as could humanly be and I wasn’t against the legalization of same sex marriage. But how did I vote? I voted for Anti-LGBT politicians. Not because I hated LGBT equality but because I didn’t care about it as much as I did my pro-life views and that is what I focused on when I voted and not whether or not the politician was pro-LGBT. Any time I had a ballot in my hand, I voted Republican, even if I didn’t know much about the candidate. As long as they were GOP, I voted for them because of the way I prioritized my values.
I guess you could say my journey was almost the opposite of Chadwick Moore’s. I didn’t become a Democrat, but Democrats are who I tend to vote for these days. I do want to stress that my values haven’t changed much. The only thing that has changed is where I prioritize LGBT rights and some of my other values. As the GOP currently exists, I could never vote for them again. I do not approve of everything the DNC does, but I approve of the GOP a WHOLE lot less. Its been 8 years since I last voted GOP. Its not likely to happen again for years to come, IF ever.
KaiserVonScheiss
Absolute nonsense. Did anyone even read the headline before it was posted?
I love how Shapiro gets called a bigot, but the writer brings up the fact that Shapiro is white, as if that is relevant in any way. Hmmm….
And what did the writer mean by “privileged background”? If the left is anything to go by, he doesn’t mean Shapiro’s wealth. White privilege is a racist term.
Shapiro is right that the left has become obsessed with anti-scientific, social constructionist nonsense.
Nonsense like this is why Trump won. Keep it up.
DarkZephyr
Shapiro is claiming that he is called a bigot. That is what the headline reflects. He claims that he is called a bigot for being straight. Who is doing that? WHO exactly is accusing the man of being a bigot because he doesn’t want sex with men?
How about you leave your political leanings out of the equation for JUST a moment.
Does it make sense to you for him to claim that he is called a bigot for being straight when there is no evidence that anyone is doing that?
They call him a bigot for his anti-gay views.
And then there’s this:
“According to the left, all sexual behavior is malleable and based largely on social structures that have been implemented by the patriarchy.”
There are SOME people who believe that on “the Left” but most of the people who promote the idea that you can change your sexual orientation are on “the Right”.
Donston
The refusal of many LGBTQ people to admit that sociology, ego, fetish, curiosity, internalized homophobia, narcissism, sense of gender, self-worth, misogyny, misandry, etc can have an affect on people’s sexual behavior and identity and the whole “fluid” and “be who you want to be” phenomenon have added credence to the idea that sexual orientation is a choice. And most of that angle has indeed been pushed by “the left” over the last several years, which has continued to make me uncomfortable. These types of things feed right into the hands of bigots.
Heywood Jablowme
“Nonsense like this is why Trump won. Keep it up.”
I love all these theories from Trump voters about “why Trump won.” Of course it couldn’t have been anything to do with his actual policies.
But I thought it was because Hillary hurt their snowflake feewings by calling them deplorables? Awww.
DarkZephyr
@Donston “be who you want to be”? That’s not the message. The message is “be who you ARE”.
Donston
I’ve been seeing and hearing a lot of “be who you want” lately, including in many articles and interviews posted here, which can’t be deciphered as anything beyond “follow all of your narcissistic instincts” and “you don’t have to be a homo if you don’t want”. And I’m seeing it from left and right.
mhoffman953
@DarkZephyr
“The message is ‘be who you ARE’.”
But if someone is born male, then he is male. If someone is born female, then she is female.
Gender is not a social construct. If it is, then why isn’t race a social construct?
Donston
Because there have been studies to suggest that some people are indeed born trans-minded or attach themselves to a gender during their development years. Much like sexual instincts, behavior and identity gender can have greater complexion than many are willing to admit. And yes, some there are indeed certain psychological and sociological things that can lead to people identifying with certain things gender wise and sexual wise. There are many reasons why people do the things they do and see themselves a certain way. LGBT groups refusal to admit and earnestly and honestly discuss the variety that is partly what continues to hold us back.
mhoffman953
@Donston
And who has conducted those “studies”? Are they accredited from a university like Harvard or were they done internally from some transgender organization or trans advocate?
Sounds more like you’re mentioning masculine and feminine traits which are different than thinking in one’s mind that they are born wrong. Nothing is wrong with men who want to exude femininity or women who want to do the same with masculinity.
One cannot say, “I think I was born wrong and I’m actually a different gender” then simply become that gender because they think it. If that’s the case, why can’t one identify as being older than they really are? Why can’t one identify as being taller than they are? Why can’t one identify as a different race? Why can’t someone identify as a different species?
If my grandpa starts to say he thinks he might be a piece of toast, I don’t encourage him by putting butter or jelly on him. I’ll get him checked for dementia.
Lvng1Tor
He sure knows how to play to his audience and how to get those who know it’s crap all riled up. There is not need to argue since it’s all utter crap. He knows it and is probably laughing his butt off at people wasting their time being mad.
DarkZephyr
For those of you who keep tossing around the term “The Left” and feel angry that Shapiro was called “fragile” and “privileged”, I would love to know what you actually think of his rant about being perceived as a bigot for being straight. And if you think he really is being accused of bigotry because he is straight you must know who is actually doing it, so can you inform the rest of us who it is? I don’t think its any of us.
I can’t speak to his fragility and I will certainly admit that the tone of the article was insulting to him, but Shapiro’s words were pretty damned insulting too, yet its Queerty that you have put in the hot seat and have ignored what Shapiro said. I think Shapiro deserved to be insulted and made of for this nonsense, quite frankly.
And why was the fact that he was “white”, “straight” and “male” brought up?
I am guessing that its because as a white straight man in the United States of America, he doesn’t know at all what its like to be a person of color, a woman or an LGBT person in the United States of America and as such might not have a very good grasp of what its like to be routinely discriminated against and legislated against and called evil by the religious simply for being himself, and yet he wants to rant about LGBT people? I mean that COULD be it, right? Along with the fact that HE Is the one who kept going on about his own straightness? That might have played a role as well.
Donston
Yes, I do get disturbed by the narcissism pushing, everyone must meld yet still individuality obsessed, victimization instincts that does indeed define a percentage of the young left. However, most of what he’s saying doesn’t require any no real retort. Yet, Queerty’s basic, predictable, sarcastic, empty response fits right into his hands. Like, as bringing up his race ness? You guys should really just avoid posting topics like these. You want to be the cool kids so bad. But you’re not cool kids.
His points are mostly hyperbolic nonsense. People really believe he’s been attacked because he doesn’t want to have sex with men or trans people rather than the fact (yes, fact) that he promotes bigotry? Are some lgbt that stupid and that desperate to detach themselves from the left? And he makes the mistake of pretending as if genuine bigotry doesn’t exist and isn’t pervasive in our culture when anyone with eyes and ears witnesses it on a regular. He’s also claiming everyone is either a basic homo or hetero (and if you believe that, why are you even posting here?) Anyone who has paid attention to him knows that he promotes bigotry. So, his defenders here are making the same mistake they’re claiming others are making.
The inability to remove bias, engage in real conversation and stop being so defensive and presumptuous continues to be the biggest problem with politics and sociology. And it comes from every side and every “identity”.
Xzamilloh
Thank you. Ben Shapiro is no friend of the trans community and often refers to them as people with mental disorders, not to mention that he often engages in out of touch rhetoric regarding the poor and working class, abortion rights, and same sex marriage, often using religious nonsense as a justification. But, Queerty had ample opportunities to counter any point he said with a well-argued counter point and chose not to. But, I will continue saying that his point required counter points, if for no other reason to show how absurd they are. Ben Shapiro and Milo Y. hate loathe one another, but they are of the same cloth in the sense that the Regressive Left have made them cult heroes because of the fervor and animosity they work up in regressives that drives them to riot and shut down events with violence and threats. And for all the crap certain elements on the right try to give the left, the regressive right are just as anti-free speech and obstructive as they try to claim the other side is. You should see what is going on with USAA after they pulled their ads from Hannity
Donston
I agree that there should have been a response. Queerty didn’t need to respond though. You don’t respond to ignorance and hate and defensiveness with sarcasm, dismissive-ness and/or flat sentimentality. This site doesn’t operate on any other level.
mhoffman953
Are the people commenting on this article asserting that Ben Shapiro is not a bigot?
I have a strong feeling that DarkZephyr, Juanjo, Brian, and MikeE all would say Ben Shapiro is a bigot
KaiserVonScheiss
I agree that it’s a bit hyperbolic to say “the left,” implying that all on the left believe ___. However, many on the left do believe in social constructionism. These people are basically biology deniers. Gender is not a social construct and the brain is not a blank slate. There is a reason 99% identify with their biological sex.
People are, in fact, attracted to whom they are attracted to.
Transwomen are still biologically male, even if their gender identity is the opposite. I’m fine with calling a transwoman she/her, but I refuse to use made up, “non-binary” pronouns advocated by social constructionist ideologues.
And yes, gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. There’s nothing wrong or bigoted in saying that. Plenty of people, including myself, have mental disorders. We shouldn’t just ignore reality because gender ideologues get their feelings hurt.
Richard 55
You cannot be transgender. You cannot be a homosexual or a gay or a heterosexual or a straight. These are words based on the delusions of the Left wherein you are allowed to be whatever you imagine, including an adjective.
It’s a world of make-believe where sexual fetishes dominate how one thinks and forms opinions.
Butcher
I don’t think not being attracted to a person of color, if you’re white; or, not being attracted to non-Blacks, if you’re African-American, constitutes bigotry. We are attracted to those we feel are attractive. It’s not rocket science, it’s chemistry. Cultural experience also factors into this. Blacks don’t have to prove to a White date that they can swim. And, Whites don’t have to prove to a Black date that their family will reject them. I personally think it’s best to stick with a person who is culturally aware of where you came from. If someone hasn’t gone to college, it’s highly likely they’ve not been immersed in diverse cultures.
Chris
Not only is the phrase “spoken like a true heterosexual white males from a prveleged background,” not necessary, it’s a trope that turned me off to the important message that this Breitbart editor purposely commingles sexuality with bigotry. And ending with “just saying” suggests the writer doesn’t stand by what he writes.
So yeah, fluff interferes with the more important thesis: Shapiro is a bigot. And everything I’ve read about Shapiro suggests that he is a bigot trying to play that he, not the targets of his bigotry, is the real victim here.
Jack Meoff
Correct me if I’m wrong but in his comments he doesn’t seem to deny being a bigot (which he clearly is) He is just saying that not wanting to have sex with a member of the same sex or with a trans person doesn’t make him a bigot. He seems to be a little obsessed with the whole issue quite frankly.
Throbert McGee
It appears to me that Ben Shapiro is attacking the so-called “cotton ceiling” — the complaint by some women-attracted transwomen that lesbians who don’t want to sleep with “a woman born with a penis” are shallow, genital-fetishing biigots.
It’s possible that only a tiny fringe minority of trans-advocates are obsessed about the “cotton ceiling” and Shapiro is making a mountain out of molehill. Nonetheless, there’s nothing bigoted about making fun of the “cotton ceiling” grievance, because it’s stupid and hypocritical for people who have their own genitals surgically altered to accuse OTHER people of being “fixated on genitals.”
Throbert McGee
It’s also possible that Shapiro is making fun of the “everyone is potentially bisexual” meme. In practice, most gays and lesbians reject the idea that WE are potentially bisexual — that we could be attracted to the opposite sex if only we were more open-minded and gave it a fair try.
So what “everyone is potentially bisexual” REALLY means is something like: “Straight guys — but especially super-hot straight guys — could learn to enjoy gay sex if only they would try it with ME.” It’s a line of thinking that deserves to be mocked.