LOVE TO PARIS AND ANY INDIVIDUAL OR FAMILY WHO’S LOST LOVED ONES TO EVIL ANYWHERE IN THIS WORLD. CHILL W/ THE ANGLES [sic] ON THE REAL THOUGH DONALD TRUMP. HOW IS IT ‘INTERESTING’ THAT THESE SHOOTINGS HAPPENED IN A COUNTRY THAT’S TOUGH ON GUNS? TELL US DON? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT VACUOUS OBSERVATION WAS ABOUT GIVING YOUR NRA-LOVING CONSTITUENCY A HANDJOB AND SPINNING A TRAGEDY FOR POLITICAL GAIN AND I’M THINKING MAYBE USING A SITUATION WHERE DOZENS OF INNOCENTS HAVE JUST BEEN MURDERED IN THE STREETS ISN’T THE BEST TIME. NO?”
— Out entertainer Frank Ocean in a note posted to Tumblr criticizing
blowhard GOP presidential hopeful Donald Trump for his politically opportunistic comments that yesterday’s tragedy in Paris would have been less deadly if the victims had been armed with guns
Trump shoots his mouth off.
I see no lies though
Not to defend Trump, but the tweet in question was from January. People need to check their facts if they want any credibility
Isaac Wak Wak
The creep Trump is an ass hole!
@Lisa Nabieszko: The irony of your comment.
What tweet are you talking about? On Camera, Donald Trump said this shit..
We should care what a celebrity thinks on political issues why? And shocking that a politician (republican or democrat) uses a tragedy for political advantage.
Frank Ocean never said he was gay – he used a story about being attracted to a guy when he was younger to push his album, and everyone has bought into it
Yeah, because Frank Ocean is so successful at running countries. Next I want to hear what Fergie and Stacey Q think.
Mom’s demand action for gun sense blah blah blah is doing the exact same thing but I don’t see him tweeting about that…
And Donald Trump is successful at running countries? Nobody cares about republicans who created this mess. Blowback! You should have left Saddam Hussein in power. ISIL was created in Iraq. It spilled over into Syria.
Republicans are trying to politically profit off this because they suffer from emotional problems and amnesia. The US intervening in countries… yes… make the situation even worse.
Donald Trump should keep his fucking mouth shut. This concerns Europe and Europe will deal with this mess.
Republicans blabber and blabber… even on this site… yet don’t have a workable solution.
@Giancarlo85: Yet YOU come from Colombia, and then preached that the U.S. should let as many Syrian refugees in as possible. Oh man. I guess France now knows why you don’t let violent Colombian drag queens run countries either.
*yawn* Did someone say something? Oh that’s right… just the smell of bullshit stinking way too much. Smells so bad. Right wing minds are so screwed up…
Obama did the exact same thing to promote his agenda after the shootings. Tell me how this is different Frank? Hope you hate Obama too.
@SeeingAll: omg, i am falling on the floor with laughter. why don’t we put giancarla in charge for a minute or two. she’ll be blowjobbing every ISIS guy she can find. then she will be lying dead on the floor because as it turns out they are not really tolerant and inclusive individuals after all.
hahaahhaaaa. colombia’s drag queen president of the usa found killed by ISIS in her bathroom, all the time full of cum. the nancy spungen of ISIS. omg i’m dying over here.
@Giancarlo85: You do know Trump said we shouldn’t have gone into Iraq, right?
@Vertigo4767: Love the right wing windbags coming on here to spout off their mouths. Obama did nothing of the sort. Thanks for the right wing political source. Are you going to cite Washington Times nexT?
@o.codone: Are you still listening to Rush Limbaugh too much? Maybe drugs are messing with your peanut sized brain.
@money718: Yet what does he want to do now? WHat? Send in troops? That’s what he basically said.
And he had no problem changing his tune and wanting to send in troops right now.
It’s disgusting that these right wing tools are showing their faces now. They don’t give a fuck about the people who died in France. All they are doing on here is peddling their bullshit and agenda. Codone is a basketcase.
@sportsguy1983: This horrid [email protected] homophobic blowhard Trump is running for the presidency of the United States and currently is leading or second in the GOP primary polls, so that’s why we should care.
Oh, and the national election is one year away. Defend Trump all you want, but basic common sense should at least factor into your response.
@money718: You just don’t get it do you? keep defending that asshole who basically would deploy troops to various countries on a whim.
He wants US troops back in Iraq.
No. Stupid idea.
What we need to do is arm the Kurdish militias and they can deal with this. Most of their men fight with weapons that are well over 40 years old.
@Kangol: None of these trolls have any sense or logic in defending Trump.
Here is my suggestion for republicans. Avoid making incredibly stupid and insensitive comments after a tragedy like what happened in France. What France needs to do is take punitive action. As much as I can’t stand Putin or Russia, it’s really the only way.
Assad is better than the alternative. Now, I’m not excusing the various war crimes he’s committed… but there is no “moderate Syrian opposition”. This is my one criticism of Obama right now. The moderates were all dismantled by ISIL. The groups that remain are too weak and fractured. The only other group other than Syrian government soldiers opposing ISIL are the Kurds.
Now while I am criticizing Obama on this, the republicans should receive even greater criticism. Don’t throw stones from a glass house. You don’t have any ideas and don’t pretend you have some master plan to fix everything.
@Giancarlo85: You were wrong about Trump wanting to go in Iraq in the 1st place, so you pivot to August of 2015.
What has happened since August? Well, Putin has started taking on ISIS and I believed Trump said if Putin wants to take out ISIS in Syria, so be it. He would let him do it. Also, just today Trump said he would bomb their resources, oil/banking, nothing about ground troops. The thing about Trump, is he is not inflexible, unlike a lot of other Republicans.
The bottom line is no one in Washington, Europe and definitely not you knows what to do about the Middle East. As Trump said, there will be conflict in that region as long as there are people on earth.
An interesting piece from that article you linked:
“Trump also voiced his support for gay Americans who might face discrimination in the workplace, saying he doesn’t believe private employers should be able to fire someone because they’re gay. A bill to end employment discrimination against LGBT people, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, has little support among mainstream Republicans.”
@money718: I wasn’t wrong about squat. YOu just don’t know how to read and you’re full of excuses and lies.
Putin is only propping up Assad and was accused of not taking on ISIL directly. Your assertions are rather empty. In fact it is said he’s targeting non-ISIL groups in opposition to Assad. This is all about Putin supporting one of his closest friends.
Trump said he wants troops on the ground in Iraq. Simple as that. Trump is a fucking disaster and we all know it.
The bottom line is Trump has no clue on what to do about anything and would only inflame a situation by being such a shitty President. He would be beyond a shit President.
““Trump also voiced his support for gay Americans who might face discrimination in the workplace, saying he doesn’t believe private employers should be able to fire someone because they’re gay. A bill to end employment discrimination against LGBT people, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, has little support among mainstream Republicans.”
Who cares? What about all of his other disastrous policy proposals including ones that would sink the US economy and destroy our image around the world?
So asides from blabbering, what is Trumps grand plan for this situation? I highly doubt a small air force contingent from Russia will do the job in Syria. Trump doesn’t have a clue, much like Ben Carson (who thinks Chinese troops are in Syria). Yeah, you can’t get enough of republican stupidity.
Oh by the way, he’s against same sex marriage. So I take it you like his luke-warm shit about him not being as AGAINST it as other republicans? He’s still against us.
@Giancarlo85: Trump doesn’t care if gays marry or not, as he has stated, it is the law of the land. Nope, I’m not worried one bit if Trump ever got into office he would be an enemy to gays. Some one like Cruz or Carson would be scary.
However, he is still running in the Republican Primary.
@money718: Then you are just a naive person and it’s clear you love Trump, even though he is totally wrong on a variety of issues.
Not only would he be an enemy to gay people, he would be incredibly harmful to this entire country. Doesn’t matter as he would never get near the White House anyways. He could always do a tour after Hillary wins though.
Ah the libertarian and log cabin trolls are out in force, espousing the same weak ass defenses for their hero Trump.
Trump is a man with no concise policy suggestions or ideas. He just talks a lot.
Ignorance is everywhere.
Maybe Frank Ocean should criticize President Obama for the very same thing he is critizing Donald Trump for as evidenced by two different press conferences linked below.
We currently have a president who can’t even accurately identify the perpetrators of terrorism. He is unable or unwilling to identify Islamic extremists. But why should we be surprised, in just a few hours before the Paris attacks he responded if ISIS was gaining strength, to which Obama denied they were. “I don’t think they are gaining strength”, Obama responded. “What is true is that from the start, our goal has been first to contain and we have contained them.” Yes, another Obama success.
Yes, President Obama is a man of moral clarity. President Obama addressing the United Nations General Assembly, “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
“I will stand with Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” – Barack Obama in The Audacity of Hope
@Alistair Wiseman: Maybe Obama is being cautious because he’s not trying to stoke the flames of xenophobia. There are 1.6 billions Muslims in the word. Less than 1% make up Islamic extremists groups like ISIS.
And how is that working out for Obama and the rest of the non-Muslim (aka:infidel) world?
I’m not sure where you got your convenient number of less than 1%, but it is not even close to representing Muslims living in the United States.
The linked poll of Muslims living in the U.S. found 51% of “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.”
“Nearly one-fifth of Muslim respondents said the use of violence in the United States is justified in order to make shariah the law of the land in this country.”
If shariah law should ever take hold in America, you can kiss your gay, nelly ass goodbye.
Protecting someones feelings in the face and destruction of Western Civilization is never a good idea.
First of all, Donald Trump is running for the highest office in the land. When you’re trying to become Commander in Chief, your analysis of foreign policy matters. I’m glad he said what he did, even if some out there don’t agree with him, because it adds to the public record of where he stands on certain issues and allows people to make a more informed choice when they go to vote.
By the same token we can criticize Obama for politicizing the mass shootings that have happened in the U.S. I’m not a fan of politicizing these incidents before the bodies are even cold, but that’s just me.
Donald Trump is self-funding his campaign. He doesn’t need the NRA on his side because he’s never going to take a dime from them.
Yes, hundreds of people were held hostage by 2 men (the third was somehow killed before the police arrived)in the concert hall because no one in that crowd was armed or trained to use a weapon.
Wow, he’s intelligent.
Milli V Hicks
Giancarla. How do you have the time to have multiple, lengthy, monopolizing conversations of this site? And, yes, it’s just like having friends when you do that, but gurl, you really have to close the computer and go outside. I know you’re probably overweight and probably can’t just saunter out the door, but give it a try. Queerty has become the only thing you do in life and it’s not healthy.
@MCHG: Yeah, because the French would just love to add an annual 7,000+ children who are hospitalised or die due to guns in the USA to their tally.
I agree with you Frank. NOW MAKE WITH THE ALBUM!!!!
Being a gay republican is pathetic and self-hating enough, but being a gay republican that supports Donald Trump is on another level of stupidity.
To the guy claiming he is for equality – he has stated that he is for “traditional marriage”. Wether that is for party reasons or not, he said it, so don’t try to sell us your mediocre candidate and think we will buy it.
Who cares what Frank Ocean thinks?
@Franklin: You can’t argue with Alistair. His argument is based on histrionics and hysterical delusions. He also misinterpreted what Obama has said grossly. Obama has identified who the terrorists are. And yes ISIL is not gaining strength. The Kurds just cut one of their major supply chains in Iraq and recaptured a key town, and Syrian government forces have broke a siege on a major airport and recaptured territory, albeit with the help of the Russians.
The dubious nature of the poll he posted has no weight and the sampling is terrible. 51% is a gross exaggeration. I am willing to bet it would be less than 10%. The problem with Alistair though is he suffers from amnesia and delusions. The Republican party is pushing their own form of shariah law. Anyways, it would never happen. It is hilarious how right wingers talk about it all day. Again it is called paranoid delusions. The largest Muslim country in the world does not have Shariah law, except for in the Aceh province. The same applies to other Muslim countries. That pretty much blows a big hole in his argument.
@MCHG: More excuses and lies. Obama didn’t politicize the shootings. You are just saying that because he (and the families of victims) called for greater gun control. Oh and having a few guns in a crowd would not have stopped suicide bombers. Your argument is so naive.
So anyone willing to give me a concise answer on what policies Donald Trump proposes? All I see is just talk and no real ideas. That is what a right wing populist does best. Why should anyone praise anything that he has said?
@MCHG: So where does he stand on foreign policy matters? He keeps it so vague. I don’t think he knows what is going on or any specifica. He comes off as dumb as Ben Carson. Chinese troops in Syria lmao… Carson tried to back off from that but it just shows how stupid these people are. If you want someone who actually has extensive foreign policy experience and this show in the debate last night… She is in the other party lol. The republicans have no clue about foreign policy.
@natdj: Who cares what gay conservatives think?
Trust the Americans to turn this Paris tragedy into a gun debate. I suspect the French will be bloody angry at this..
@broadshoulder: No, I think the French are smart enough to know who to really be angry with.
Why do celebrities (Frank ocean) think we should care what they believe on important political issues? Run for political office or just STFU and keep doing your day job.
@Tobi: You’re assuming there are towns like Detroit in France.
The French will be annoyed at certain Americans trying to turn this whole thing into a gun debate. SeeingNada makes a lot of stupid statements once again
@sportsguy1983: And like your opinion matters anymore. Oh I love it when people say “why do we care what a celebrity thinks!!!!”. Last I checked, they are entitled to have an opinion and express that point of view just like everyone else.
Donald Trump and Ben Carson don’t know anything about foreign policy. Anyways as far as the second debate which came in the shadow of these attacks, Hillary just shined last night. O’Malley did pretty good so he could actually chip away at Sanders numbers, and Sanders did alright asides from foreign policy (which he was very weak on).
Sanders and O’Malley tried to attack Hillary, but I don’t think they watched the 11 hour “hearing” she faced against republicans. She isn’t one you should be going after.
Vox had a killer article on this…
Though this article said it was a draw:
Still, Hillary will run away the winner from this one and maintain her large commanding numbers. Online polls are meaningless once again.
And another great article that shows she has actually cut Sander’s lead among more left leaning voters and on issues he was supposedly to be more strong on.
Hillary is by far more equipped and capable on economic and foreign policy matters than anyone else running. She has learned a lot since the 2008 Campaign and is taking no chances.
Didn’t you guys know that only evil Republicans—er, sorry, ReTHUGlicans—are capable of exploiting atrocities for political gain? And that when Democrats do it, it’s strictly because they have compassion? Geez, don’t you know ANYthing about being gay?
(I feel I should point out the heavy sarcastic content, just in case)
@Giancarlo85: GianCarlo…will you hush you wacky queen ? You know about as much about my France as you know about who-invented-what. And serial killers.
@BJ McFrisky: Wrong. Republicans exploited the deaths of thousands of Americans on 9/11 for political gain for eight years under Bush. Two unfinished wars with disastrous consequences.
Democrats, like Obama, have demanded more gun control after shootings. So did the families of victims related to that violence. Approximately 90% of Americans support more gun control (stronger background checks). Your republican Congressmen failed to support such background checks, thus going up against the families of the victims and the American people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/ – This was done a while ago, but the numbers still stand.
Do you have anything else stupid to say or are you done?
SeeingNOTHINGATALL knows nothing about any country in the world. He doesn’t even know anything about different states other than the state he lives in (Kentucky).
@Giancarlo85: Hush, murderess.
So how many does SeeingNothing propose to kill? A couple of hundred of thousand… like a good republican.
I suppose a couple of hundred thousand dead is a statistic and if it is done because of the bible and false patriotism, it’s alright!
@Giancarlo85: A couple of million dead is nothing to the Communist, if it serves the greater good. But with you there’s that demented twist of putting sparkling drag queens at the top of the heirarchy as well. And the cause makes you feel superior to your fellow Colombians (drug lords).
And again, he’s proposing mass murder throughout the world all based on false pretenses. This is how the republican mind operates. Too many fuses short in the brain, and hundreds of thousands dead.
@Vertigo4767: 0bama the day before the shooting claimed that ‘ISIS/IS is contained’.
“More excuses and lies. Obama didn’t politicize the shootings. You are just saying that because he (and the families of victims) called for greater gun control.”
So when Obama gave a speech saying we should politicize the shootings, he was lying or…?
“Oh and having a few guns in a crowd would not have stopped suicide bombers. Your argument is so naive.”
That wasn’t my argument. There were three SHOOTERS in the concert hall, who were executing people one by one. When the police arrived they were immediately subdued. Imagine the lives that could have been saved if someone in that crowd was armed and knew how to use a weapon.
“So anyone willing to give me a concise answer on what policies Donald Trump proposes? All I see is just talk and no real ideas. That is what a right wing populist does best. Why should anyone praise anything that he has said?”
Who said you should praise what he said? He came out with a tax plan, has been shouting his immigration plan from the rooftops since joining the race, and we’re now hearing his foreign policy plan (arming the Kurds and putting boots on the ground).
“So where does he stand on foreign policy matters? He keeps it so vague.”
Which is why its good that he commented on the matter.
“I don’t think he knows what is going on or any specifica. He comes off as dumb as Ben Carson. Chinese troops in Syria lmao… Carson tried to back off from that but it just shows how stupid these people are. If you want someone who actually has extensive foreign policy experience and this show in the debate last night… She is in the other party lol. The republicans have no clue about foreign policy.”
I’m not going to defend Carson, I’m not a supporter of his. As far as Hillary’s foreign policy experience: she voted for the Iraq War, supported the disastrous invasion of Libya as Secretary of State, oversaw the collapse of the U.S.’s relationship with Russia, and supported regime change in Syria. Yeah, I think we can do better than that.
“Yeah, because the French would just love to add an annual 7,000+ children who are hospitalised or die due to guns in the USA to their tally.”
You’re assuming this is a given. French culture is entirely different from American culture. Their worst neighborhoods are ten times better than America’s worst neighborhoods.
@money718: Putin is not “taking on ISIS.” Putin is attacking the anti-Assad groups that the US has been backing.
But as Giancarlo says, there’s a fundamental problem here in trying to overthrow Assad. Yes, he is a horrible dictator, as was Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi. (And Hosni Mubarak of Egypt.) Yet the US does not ever seem to think of the long-term consequences of its actions.
It purports to want to destroy ISIS, even though ISIS receives support from Saudi Arabia (yes, Virginia, it does!), Turkey (against the Kurds), and other Gulf States. It is a Salafist entity, like Al Qaeda, that espouses the very sort of extreme version of Wahhabist Islam fomented in Saudi Arabia. Yet the US continues to walk hand-in-hand with Saudi Arabia, which as you know executes gay people, because of its oil.
The US primarily wants to overthrow Assad because he is a close ally of Iran. But the US screwed up royally in harming Iran when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, along with their moronic neocon pals, invaded Iraq, and disbanded the Iraqi Army, thus empowering the pro-Iranian Shiites, who now have power, and who have utterly alienated Iraq’s Sunni community. ISIS arose out of those disaffected and oppressed Sunnis, IN IRAQ! So this is mess that the US helped to create.
Moreover, the US actually wanted a Sunni buffer state–cf. ISIL/ISIS–against Assad, but this monster has, like Victor Frankenstein’s creation, run amok. Now it’s spreading globally in the vacuum created by the overthrow of Saddam, Qaddafi, and, despite Egypt’s current dictatorship, Mubarak.
The US currently is sending arms and countless cash to Islamist rebels in Syria and Libya, and aiding Saudi Arabia in bombing campaigns in Yemen, but to what end? We are only creating ever worse conditions, refugees crises, and so on. There needs to be much better thinking about the ramifications of this disastrous policy, which began in the late 1970s when first Carter and then Reagan, to a much greater degree, armed Islamists to overthrow the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. We see how that created the nightmare that became Osama bin Laden (a former “freedom fighter,” don’t forget) and Al Qaeda.
I mourn the people who were killed in France, and in Beirut (don’t forget the bombing there), and in Turkey recently, and on that Russian jet that was downed over the Sinai. The US and Western powers have to think and act much more prudently, though, because we are only increasing the danger to ourselves by short-term thinking rather than looking at the larger issues of international stability. Our policies are directly counter to that.
@Giancarlo85: Trump did recently propose a tax plan that, like Marco Rubio’s, would prove disastrous on both a short-term and long-term basis, increasing both annual federal budget deficits AND the long-term debt. It is a recipe for fiscal and monetary disaster (we could end up with sky-high interest rates, meaning borrowing costs through the roof, insolvency in global markets, etc.), but so long as he talks tough, with a good deal of bluster, it seems to be convincing people.
His “immigration” plan is so absurd it beggars disbelief. What none of the Republicans will address is that major and small US companies, most of whom support Republicans (with some exceptions, like the tech industry) have benefited tremendously from undocumented immigration, and don’t want it to end. They currently use the H1B visa system as one means of cheaper labor; another is just to hire undocumented workers and see if they get in trouble. Rather than hiring US citizen or green card workers, they can increase profits by paying far less to visa holders and undocumented workers. Yet the Republican candidates will not discuss the former publicly and virulently attack the latter. Why?
Why too did Senate Republicans support the Omnibus immigration bill that provided tech and other industries with oodles more visa-holding workers and guest workers? Because this is what BIG BUSINESS wants, and screw both the American citizenry AND immigrants, documented or undocumented!
@MCHG: “That wasn’t my argument. There were three SHOOTERS in the concert hall, who were executing people one by one. When the police arrived they were immediately subdued. Imagine the lives that could have been saved if someone in that crowd was armed and knew how to use a weapon.”
Typical republican argument. For all you know the shooters could have sprayed wildly into the crowd actually killing more people if some were armed. You don’t know anything about what happened though.
“Who said you should praise what he said? He came out with a tax plan, has been shouting his immigration plan from the rooftops since joining the race, and we’re now hearing his foreign policy plan (arming the Kurds and putting boots on the ground).”
He didn’t come out with a “tax plan”. He came out with some stupid ideas about taxes, including a “flat tax” that would destroy this country’s economy and sprial our deficit way out of control. His immigration plan is also not a plan at all and just talk. It’s all just vague bullshit. The US has been arming the Kurds, but putting boots on the ground is about as stupid as it gets.
What the US needs to do is reassess Bashar Al-Assad and realize he’s the only man who can lead the country. As much as I hate to say that.
“I’m not going to defend Carson, I’m not a supporter of his. As far as Hillary’s foreign policy experience: she voted for the Iraq War, supported the disastrous invasion of Libya as Secretary of State, oversaw the collapse of the U.S.’s relationship with Russia, and supported regime change in Syria. Yeah, I think we can do better than that.”
Many democrats supported the war on Iraq because they were fed lies by the Bush administration and the CIA. They took the intelligence supplied and voted in favor. Many turned against that. And what invasion of Libya? Did we ever have any troops on the ground? Qaddafi was far weaker than Assad ever was and his military basically disintegrated.
And what relationship with Russia? That relationship has been on the rocks for years. Why should we have a relationship with Russia? They don’t do anything right. And do better than that?
Oh is that so?
What do your candidates promise? More neo-conservative disasters… boots on the ground in Syria which would absolutely outrage and infuriate Russia, boots on the ground in Ukraine which would further inflame the situation over there and a redeployment of troops into Iraq because the last time wasn’t a big enough disaster.
You ate into the republican nonsense and rubbish. You don’t have any specifics. You don’t have any real plans and you don’t have any idea what is going on in this world.
Please entertain us with more of your hysterical arguments and generalizations.
@Kangol: You’re correct. Nouri Al-Maliki was a Iranian pawn and was a product of the invasion of Iraq. Nouri Al-Maliki’s sectarian politics are basically what spawned ISIL. So we can put the finger right on republicans and Bush. ISIL was created in Iraq. Obama was left with that mess and what was he supposed to do? Send in troops again?
What is wrong with republicans on here and everywhere? Don’t they remember how much of a disaster and quagmire it was before when our boots were on the ground? And they don’t want to stop there… they want to send troops into Syria.
I get it though… people like MCHG want others to do the dirty work while they sit on their asses.
By the way, you brought up Egypt. Egypt corrected itself. Egyptians saw the disaster and writing on the wall after they elected Mohamed Morsi. Unfortunately for Syria, Libya and Iraq, they didn’t have someone as respected and emblematic as Abdel El-Sisi. Egypt’s military is a safeguard of secular politics in the country, and they saw the entire failure of the Islamic Brotherhood-led government.
@Kangol: The tax plan is one of the most moronic pieces of garbage I have ever seen and would only benefit the super wealthy. Gee… I wonder why that is?
One other thing I forgot to address with MCHG’s utterly ridiculous argument is “politicizing” mass shootings. The victims of the families agree. They want POLITICAL ACTION to take place. They want GREATER gun control.
MCHG is totally hilarious. He wants republicans in office. The same people who created and supported the mess in Iraq and Syria.
And Obama didn’t really do anything to foster regime change in Syria. The so called non-ISIL “opposition groups” in Syria constantly complain about not getting enough support or weapons.
@Kangol: ” but so long as he talks tough, with a good deal of bluster, it seems to be convincing people.”
Luckily all republicans lag behind Hillary in the polls, especially Trump. So while it may be convincing republican voters in the primaries, it won’t be in the general election. Trump is someone who is offensive to the core.
Oh by the way, Russia basically destroyed their relationship with the US, the entire EU and most other developed countries with their botched intervention in Ukraine. So that wasn’t anything the US did. Putin did that to himself.
I’m not going to even get my titties in a twist over trump he’s not going to be president in this life time or any other.
@Alistair Wiseman: Really? You link to a right wing think tank as a source?
@sportsguy1983: Frank Ocean has just as much right to comment on politics as any other American. @Kangol: Hit the nail on the head. We are always thinking in the short term in this country. Our government created these problems, by de-stabilizing the middle east. This is going to take decades to sort out, but I guess this is just business as usual.
@Franklin: Exactly. Should have left Saddam in power. I understood the intervention in Afghanistan, but we lost focus by going to Iraq and ended up neglecting Afghanistan. Two expensive disasters from Republicans that will cost us years to pay back.
But hey… the republicans want us to forget about their disasters and elect them in 2016 lol. Fat CHANCE. Hillary showed her mettle in last night’s debate as a master of foreign policy and she would school every republican on that topic. Trump acts like a total child.
Luckily Egypt wasn’t destabilized though they had to get rid of Morsi, or this would have been a real disaster. Al-Sisi is the only kind of leader these countries can have.
@Giancarlo85: That’s the only correct thing I’ve heard you say. “Should have left Saddam in power”. He was an evil beast, but…what leader isn’t over there ? He was also a secular evil beast who knew how to keep the religious fanatics in line. (But GianCarlo being correct is just that thing about the broken clock still showing the correct time twice a day. He also thinks SeeingAll- me- is a member of ISIL; that as many Syrian refugees as possible should be allowed into the U.S.; that it wasn’t a white man who invented the computer; and that his purple shoes match his red bag).
SeeingAbsolutelyNothing is a broken clock with no handles at all. SeeingAbsolutelyNothing is indeed. I never said anything about allowing in as many refugees as possible. People need to be screened and cleared… investigations need to occur on a case by case basis. The overwhelming majority of Syrians are fleeing so they don’t get killed by ISIL or Assad’s army.
This troll has two wrong feet and one messed up mind.
frank ocean ain’t shit compared to bilal oliver and musiq soulchild.
Huffington Post absolutely nailed it with this article:
You can’t believe a word republican says right now. They are all liars.
“The French case was that there was not a WMD threat, and that invading Iraq would lead to fragmentation of the country and trigger more terrorism. ”
This is what France said about Iraq years ago. The US ignored them and now France has to deal with the aftermath. Republicans have blood on their hands.
All of this shit falls on Bush (and his buddy Nouri Al-Maliki). Where is that criminal right now?
These two are the ones that destabilized the entire region.
I’m all for freedom of speech, but republicans are best advised to follow what George Carlin once said.
Shut the f–k up.
@Giancarlo85: No you didn’t say screened. You basically said they should just be allowed in because the U.S. was built on immigrants. (You don’t care if there’s a slaughter somewhere because….that Stalin/Colombia thing). Immigrants have been a good thing in the past, and to a certain extent today, but…. times do change. (Ex. The Democrats started the KKK, but does anyone blame them for that today ?) And…you said all the other stuff too. You’re totally dingy, but…..that’s what the internet has allowed : the voiceless nuts to imagine they have voices everyone should take seriously.
@Giancarlo85: So all that is why they execute men for homosexuality in Saudi Arabia ?
This guy is foaming bullshit from his mouth. It’s coming out everywhere, including his eyeballs. Pretty scary. Looks like a scene out of some grade B horror movie. This guy is a killer and loves killing hundreds of thousands… he considers it patriotism. This guy is an idiot.
The republicans have the strong support of the KKK now. Things change over the year.
“This is what France said about Iraq years ago. The US ignored them and now France has to deal with the aftermath. Republicans have blood on their hands.” LMAO. I have no great love for republicans, but gianCarlo should talk ?!! He should be turned over to the relatives of those murdered concert-goers right now (there’s even one from California; we wouldn’t have to send him far).
SHUT THE FUCK UP. (If you didn’t get the hint SeeingAbsolutelyFuckingNothing).
This idiot is still talking? He doesn’t even know where France is on a map. He’s a total clown. I can talk because I know. Many of the victims families were against the war in Iraq like the majority of France (almost 90% of France was against the War in Iraq). War of total fucking bullshit. No wonder why SeeingNothingBecauseHeHasShitInHisEyes loves the war in Iraq.
@Giancarlo85: Seriously. If I had your address I’d let them know where you are. You think allowing anyone into any country is making a cutesy point, but…REAL tragedy can ensue that you can’t hide from by putting on your purple heels and escaping into your Conchalita character on Santa Monica Blvd. for the night.
@Giancarlo85: ALL of my French buds were against the Iraq War. I agreed with them.
He doesn’t even know how to construct a sentence. Ditch the right wing bullshit and come back to reality. Or is it too late for peanut brain? This man doesn’t care about tragedy. He cares about politically profitting like most republicans. What a total bigoted loser. Right wing fas*c*i*s*t.
@Giancarlo85: No..everybody knows what you are. Even the dumbest poster on here…because you do make it obvious (like the way even Right-Wingers recognize a psychotic Neo-Nazi). You actually relished tragedy from 9-11 to Mumbai to London to this one. You’re already thinking about the jokes you can make in your drag act (that weird pointed-toe high-kicking thing that’s more painfully stupid than humorous).
You’re a lying sack of… yup. I’ve backed up myself with news articles and evidence. You are an idiot. You were born an idiot. You never think on your own. Your mental stability is in big question right now. You’re absolutely falling apart.
And I didn’t relish any tragedy. You exploit tragedy and you’re a total idiot who doesn’t ever back up anything he says. You’re just stupid. Your political viewpoints are stupid and everything you say is stupid.
@Giancarlo85: Then let’s hear it right now, piece by piece. (It must be my Democratic nature that makes me even bother talking to you. Most French sure wouldn’t bother). Okay, firstly : Who invented the computer?
The republican nature of a weak mind… SeeingEyeDog is totally blind. A white man didn’t. SeeingAbsolutelyNothing seems to have a brain tumor.
“Your political viewpoints are stupid and everything you say is stupid”…says GianCarlo. LMAO. When I said the same exact thing his online crony said re. the Iraq War. But when I say the War was a mistake…suddenly it’s a stupid political viewpoint. Which shows that it depends WHO says it to….Miss Conchalita there. (Gotta send that one back where he/she came from. Exchange him/her for some Indian who’ll become a doctor and at least add to society).
@Giancarlo85: Okay, then….who invented the computer ?
I’ve backed up myself up with evidence and proof. This little nutcase will keep responding and responding like a brainless moron. You weren’t against the war in Iraq, you idiot. That’s the problem with the little idiot. The brain tumor must be operated on.
@Giancarlo85: Well…let’s see the article to back that up ….
@Giancarlo85: You’ve given no evidence for anything. Linking to other opinions/op eds isn’t evidence.
*yawn* Is he still yapping like the shih-tzu he is?
I’ve backed up myself with actual articles, asshole. Not op/eds.
This guy is just stupid. He has never posted a single article backing himself up, and now he criticizes my sources? What a stooge.
@Giancarlo85: Who invented the computer ?
Still yapping bouncing into the air… like a little dog…
See that ? You are such a bigot that you can’t even admit a white man invented the computer because you hate us but it would reveal how much you rely on us. Where would you be without our computer invention that we’ve allowed you to use ?? What would you do all day? I can give credit to a Chinese eunuch for inventing paper even though I’m not Chinese. I can thank Jonas Salk for the polio vaccine even though I’m not Jewish. But you can’t show one smidgeon of gratitude to a white male because of your own hangup on race.
This little bigot is still bouncing around. I think he needs to get that brain tumor checked out. His writing and logic abilities are totally impaired. He needs to get it checked out immediately. Why credit someone that deserve no credit?
@Giancarlo85: okay…run away now…
He’s running screaming. The delusions from the brain tumor are kicking in…
@Giancarlo85: Uh….you’re forgetting anyone on here can read this exchange and see just who is hiding from historical fact.
Now he’s imagining stuff again. Historical facts are something he knows nothing about. He thinks dinosaurs were alive a thousand years ago.
I’ve stated multiple facts here.
I agree w/ the sentiment although the message was rife w/ grammatical errors.
@SeeingAll: Your posts demonstrate a point so obvious I am shocked it needs making: do not feed angel dust to seven year old girls.
@Saint Law: okay
@Giancarlo85: “Typical republican argument. For all you know the shooters could have sprayed wildly into the crowd actually killing more people if some were armed. You don’t know anything about what happened though.”
There’s video of the first moments of the attack. They initially sprayed randomly and then started executing people one by one. There’s no guarantee that someone being armed could have stopped the attack, but there’s a higher probability that they could have defended themselves. Again, the shooters were subdued within minutes of the announcement that the police was entering the concert hall. It didn’t take much firepower to stop them.
“He didn’t come out with a “tax plan”. He came out with some stupid ideas about taxes, including a “flat tax” that would destroy this country’s economy and sprial our deficit way out of control. His immigration plan is also not a plan at all and just talk. It’s all just vague bullshit. The US has been arming the Kurds, but putting boots on the ground is about as stupid as it gets.”
A flat tax is a tax plan and he’s not the only candidate to propose one. Its rather silly to ask about a candidate’s proposals, given that most candidates have their policy positions up on their websites. I don’t think you know the meaning of the word “vague”. Trump wants to secure the border by building an Israel-style wall across the border and then establish a deportation force to remove the 11 million or so illegals living in the U.S. There’s nothing vague about that. I’d dare anyone explain one of Hillary’s positions with such clarity.
“What the US needs to do is reassess Bashar Al-Assad and realize he’s the only man who can lead the country. As much as I hate to say that.”
Syria is in the middle of a civil war. ISIS is also gaining ground in the region. Assad has no real legitimacy to reign. He (and Putin) are prolonging the inevitable.
“Many democrats supported the war on Iraq because they were fed lies by the Bush administration and the CIA. They took the intelligence supplied and voted in favor. Many turned against that. And what invasion of Libya? Did we ever have any troops on the ground? Qaddafi was far weaker than Assad ever was and his military basically disintegrated.”
Oh please, the Iraq War was a complete joke even with Bush’s cooked “evidence”. Someone as knowledgeable, skilled, and connected as Hillary had to know Saddam posed no serious threat to the U.S.. NATO forces invaded Libya. Hillary was in full support and was caught on camera celebrating Qaddafi’s murder (a violation of international law, btw). Libya was one of the most advanced African countries before the invasion.
“And what relationship with Russia? That relationship has been on the rocks for years.”
We had a working relationship with Russia when Bush left office. They were not invading countries. They were not acting as an antagonistic force.
“Why should we have a relationship with Russia?”
Because they’re a nuclear power with incredible local power in that region. Russia has also been eager to work with America in the past, granted that they be treated with a certain level of respect. The global economy, foreign stability, and the general world order require that the Western powers be on speaking terms.
“They don’t do anything right.”
They’re propping up Assad, which you yourself said should be leading Syria.
“And do better than that?”
Yes, we simply don’t need Hillary Clinton in office with her scandals and mistakes. There’s plenty of talented people on both sides of the isle who could do a better job.
“What do your candidates promise?”
Given that I haven’t endorsed anyone for president, nothing really.
“More neo-conservative disasters… boots on the ground in Syria which would absolutely outrage and infuriate Russia”
Why would it infuriate Russia? Boots on the ground are necessary in fighting ISIS and preventing it from gaining control of Syria. Given that Russia is an ally of Syria and Russia has been threatened by ISIS numerous times, it would be a blessing for Russia if we put boots on the ground.
“boots on the ground in Ukraine which would further inflame the situation over there”
Who in the world has proposed boots on the ground in Ukraine? They have a legitimate government, so yes, it would be disastrous.
“and a redeployment of troops into Iraq because the last time wasn’t a big enough disaster.”
You know what happens if we don’t interfere in Iraq? The woefully unprepared Iraqi army keeps losing ground to ISIS until they don’t have a legitimate government anymore.
“You ate into the republican nonsense and rubbish. You don’t have any specifics. You don’t have any real plans and you don’t have any idea what is going on in this world.
Please entertain us with more of your hysterical arguments and generalizations.”
Oh, the irony.
“One other thing I forgot to address with MCHG’s utterly ridiculous argument is “politicizing” mass shootings. The victims of the families agree. They want POLITICAL ACTION to take place. They want GREATER gun control.”
I said that Obama could be blamed for politicizing mass shootings in the same way Trump is being criticized for politicizing the attacks in Paris. You said he didn’t politicize it, and I linked to an article where, in Obama’s own words, he politicizes the shootings. That was the end of our discussion on that matter.
@MCHG: There is no proof that some people armed could have stopped anything. It could have made things far worse. Your entire blithering argument is an insult to the French. This is typical of a republican and his brainless mindsets. This is someone who has no clue about anything and doesn’t back up anything.
Trump is an idiot and so is that tax plan. Do you have any clue how much damage it would do to this nation? A flat tax would only benefit the rich and cause even more debt than we have now. His ideas are very vague and right wing populist. Oh and Hillary actually has specific plans and is a technocrat. I can’t say the same about the idiot you support. Oh yes build a wall… that is really stupid. I didn’t realize we were taking after East Germany. Immigration has been down under Obama and deportations have actually increased, so your entire point is utterly ridiculous, just like everything else in your argument. Trump is someone who relies on histrionics and not any actual details. I do not care for talking points on his website. You are very naive and gullible.
Russia was not invading countries before? Are you stupid? Of course they were. They invaded Georgia. A potential US and NATO ally and Bush sat on his hands. They were antagonistic and Bush did nothing. It is wonderful you praise that relationship. Putin is a horrible leader and a working relationship is out of the question. And do you know why they invaded Ukraine? Their old friend there was tossed out of power. This has nothing to do with Obama, but rather the people of Ukraine wanting a change.
And Hillary’s scandals and mistakes? You have got to be kidding. You don’t even have a reasonable or rational argument. Take a look at the hypocrite you are supporting before you throw stones from a glass house. Trump is a total liar. It doesn’t surprise me that you like him.
You are nothing more than a neoconservative. Boots on the ground is a stupid idea and totally out of question. That is ironic you want to send young Americans back into an area and to see them come back in bodybags. As if the last intervention in the region wasn’t enough. The US has no business putting troops on the ground and the only way is through air strikes. There are no other options. You have no proof for anything you say. I already named how the Kurds cut a major supply line and now have ISIL on the run. They need to made into a more major fighting force.
But troops on the ground? Explain that to the families of soldiers who were killed. You have no real foresight. You cannot see the implications of your stupid and dangerous ideas, and you can’t see the writing on the wall. Even Russia isn’t so eager to send troops into Syria. And as far as Iraq, their army is turning the tide.
Oh and your article on Obama was rubbish and you took what he said out of context. You don’t have an argument at all. Keep claiming you aren’t supporting a candidate. It is clear to everyone you are supporting Trump.
Oh and deporting eleven million people? You really are a blitering idiot! Many of those people were brought here when they were very young and don’t know any other country. Many are here working and paying taxes, including working for some of Trumps companies. As a US citizen, I am horrified you think people are just numbers. To hell with you and fuck your republican party. It is clear who you are supporting.
And as far as Libya, far from advanced and involved in many botched interventions and they blew up a plane too. They supported everyone from Idi Amin and tried to destroy Chad. Idriss Deby embarrassed them militarily. You don’t know anything and you are nothing more than a liar.
Interesting. A black man says something and all the gay neocons come out like roaches. Maybe it’s just one troll using different names.
It must be hard being white(ish), republican, and gay, and just wishing and praying that you weren’t a homo and could be accepted by those white dudes that will never fully accept you.
Frank shut up you stupid fuck….more blacks kill other blacks by illegal guns than any other race. What a stupid moron you are.
@Giancarlo85: you are just another leech like the rest of the 11 million illegals…..now did you Hear that….Illegals!,
Keep in mind that the same idiots who support Trump are the same idiots who’d love for cops to be able to shoot gays on sight.
It seems that most people who call themselves “conservative” these days need a fucking dictionary (as if they can read!). What they say and do, and what they propose, is as radical as anything Abby Hoffman or Angela Davis ever said or did. Shrieking over “Sharia Law” while advocating basically the same thing? Screaming “constitution” while wanting to deny refugees entrance if they’re not the right religion? Shouting “2nd Amendment” while failing to even notice the words “well regulated” in said Amendment? Please, Mary.
Quit using the word. You’re not conservatives. You’re just unintelligent assholes.
@Giancarlo85: “There is no proof that some people armed could have stopped anything. It could have made things far worse. Your entire blithering argument is an insult to the French. This is typical of a republican and his brainless mindsets. This is someone who has no clue about anything and doesn’t back up anything.”
I never said there was proof. I said the police were easily able to subdue two gunmen (3rd one died mysteriously) who were methodically killing people one by one. If there were a couple of armed people in the concert hall, its possible that lives could have been saved. I don’t know why some on the left think it take a police officer’s uniform to kill a bad person with a gun. People defend themselves with their guns all the time.
“Trump is an idiot and so is that tax plan.”
You said he didn’t have a tax plan. I said he did. Now you’re admitting that its a tax plan. I guess this argument is over lol
“Do you have any clue how much damage it would do to this nation? A flat tax would only benefit the rich and cause even more debt than we have now.”
I never argued that it was a good plan, just that it counts as a tax plan.
“His ideas are very vague and right wing populist.”
adjective: vague; comparative adjective: vaguer; superlative adjective: vaguest
of uncertain, indefinite, or unclear character or meaning.
You really ought to learn the definition of that word.
“Oh and Hillary actually has specific plans and is a technocrat.”
Everyone has specific plans. Just go to their campaign sites. You expect people to detail every single one of their policy positions in 10 minute cable news interviews? Why do you think candidates constantly plug their websites.
“I can’t say the same about the idiot you support.”
I never claimed to support Trump and I don’t support Trump. Stop putting words in my mouth.
“Oh yes build a wall… that is really stupid. I didn’t realize we were taking after East Germany.”
No, we’re taking after Israel. Its worked pretty well for them.
“Immigration has been down under Obama and deportations have actually increased, so your entire point is utterly ridiculous, just like everything else in your argument.”
What point? I said his positions were not vague (aka its very obvious what Trump wants to do). I don’t even know how Obama’s immigration policies relate to what we’re talking about. Stay on topic.
“Trump is someone who relies on histrionics and not any actual details. I do not care for talking points on his website. You are very naive and gullible.”
They’re not talking points, they’re policy positions, just like every other candidate has. If YOU are not clear about what a candidate believes, its YOUR job to go to their website and educate yourself.
“Russia was not invading countries before? Are you stupid? Of course they were. They invaded Georgia. A potential US and NATO ally and Bush sat on his hands. They were antagonistic and Bush did nothing. It is wonderful you praise that relationship. Putin is a horrible leader and a working relationship is out of the question. And do you know why they invaded Ukraine? Their old friend there was tossed out of power. This has nothing to do with Obama, but rather the people of Ukraine wanting a change.”
Russia fought Georgia because Georgia was amassing troops and was ready to invade Abkhazia, which Russia had allied itself with. Numerous sources point to the fact that the U.S. funded and had an active role in the Ukrainian coup. Even Merkel manages to have a working relationship with Russia. Its embarrassing, and downright pathetic if the U.S. isn’t capable of establishing a better relationship with Russia given our common interests (stopping terrorism, global economic stability) and our past history as allies during WWII.
“And Hillary’s scandals and mistakes? You have got to be kidding. You don’t even have a reasonable or rational argument. Take a look at the hypocrite you are supporting before you throw stones from a glass house. Trump is a total liar. It doesn’t surprise me that you like him.”
Lets see: supporting the illegal assassination of a head of state (Qaddafi),lying about being under fire in Bosnia, using her foundation as a way to sell access to shady foreign countries, recklessly sending top secret documents through her private server. Need I say more?
“You are nothing more than a neoconservative.”
Even though I opposed the Iraq War, opposed foreign intervention in Syria, and think we should stop invading more countries in the Middle East?
“Boots on the ground is a stupid idea and totally out of question. That is ironic you want to send young Americans back into an area and to see them come back in bodybags. As if the last intervention in the region wasn’t enough.”
No, I want them to come back alive and be able to say that they took out a sick and evil force terrorizing innocent people all over the planet.
“The US has no business putting troops on the ground and the only way is through air strikes. There are no other options. You have no proof for anything you say. I already named how the Kurds cut a major supply line and now have ISIL on the run. They need to made into a more major fighting force.”
We have all the business in the world to be there. We are at war. We’ve had terrorist attacks on our soil and on the soil of a large number of our allies. These are people who constantly threaten to attack our major cities and have demonstrated the ability to attack major cities. Its downright laughable that you think we can take out a force of thousands who live among the people who’s countries they take over through air strikes alone. What are you going to do, drone strike residential areas in Iraq and Syria?
“But troops on the ground? Explain that to the families of soldiers who were killed. You have no real foresight. You cannot see the implications of your stupid and dangerous ideas, and you can’t see the writing on the wall.”
When you sign up for the military, you volunteer to make the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of innocent people. If anyone and their family are not prepared to deal with this, they shouldn’t enlist.
“Even Russia isn’t so eager to send troops into Syria. And as far as Iraq, their army is turning the tide.”
There are Russian troops in Syria.
“Oh and your article on Obama was rubbish and you took what he said out of context. You don’t have an argument at all.”
Thanks, I’ll let The Hill, of all publications, know that they’re taking Obama’s words out of context. Get off it. Obama admitted to politicizing the mass shootings and said we should continue to politicize them. He thinks its a good thing, so why even defend him from his own words?
“Keep claiming you aren’t supporting a candidate. It is clear to everyone you are supporting Trump.”
If by “clear to everyone”, you mean I’ve never claimed to support Trump or his ideas, then yes.
“Oh and deporting eleven million people? You really are a blitering idiot! Many of those people were brought here when they were very young and don’t know any other country. Many are here working and paying taxes, including working for some of Trumps companies. As a US citizen, I am horrified you think people are just numbers. To hell with you and fuck your republican party. It is clear who you are supporting.”
Go tell Trump that. I haven’t endorsed Trump or his ideas, regardless of how much you try to put words in my mouth.
“And as far as Libya, far from advanced and involved in many botched interventions and they blew up a plane too. They supported everyone from Idi Amin and tried to destroy Chad. Idriss Deby embarrassed them militarily. You don’t know anything and you are nothing more than a liar.”
Here’s a before and after image of Lybia under Qaddafi and Lybia under the NATO intervention that Hillary Clinton supported.
And just who is Frank Ocean and why should we care about anything he says. Let’s not politicize the politicians
@SeeingAll: And trump as any more experience at running countries than Frank Ocean does? He has experience at selling his name, dissembling and maintaining the fortune he inherited from his father.
Charles Babbage is credited with inventing the programmable computer in the early 19th century. He was a white man. Ada Lovelace, a white woman, is considered by most to be the first code writer. The modern PC was not the result of one further invention, but progressed through the age to vacuum tubes and then through the transistor age. this was the result of MANY individual inventions and advances, attributable to many people of different races. Frank Greene, Mark Dean and Roy Clay are three Black men who had a HUGE influence on the kinds of computers we see today, as well as their software. Similarly the evolution of software is the result of incremental advances by men and women of many races,
But the title of Computer Inventor has to go to Babbage. the title of First Software Developer has rto go to Ada Lovelace.
@dwes09: But we shouldn’tcare what show biz people think. They’re notoriously stupid. that’s why they need agents and managers. (Ever watch Celebrity Jeopardy? Astoundingly stupid people).
@dwes09: Well…GianCarlo says you’re wrong.
@SeeingAll: Well…GianCarlo says you’re wrong.
And? Your point is. He remains a progressive, you remain a regressive, and both of you seem to favor assumptions over reality (thus “seeing all” is hardly a suitable name for you).
@SeeingAll: “But we shouldn’tcare what show biz people think. They’re notoriously stupid. that’s why they need agents and managers. (Ever watch Celebrity Jeopardy? Astoundingly stupid people).”
Some are, some aren’t as is the case with a host of other professions. And regardless of the nature of his intelligence or lack thereof, Ocean is correct in his criticism of Trump. Despite spree killings (which can be seen as terrorist acts though not politically motivated) in some of the most heavily armed states, few if any have been stopped by armed bystanders. And if the opinion of the majority of law enforcement personnel is to be trusted, they are clear on believing armed civilians would simply add to collateral damage and prevent the police from quickly understanding the situation.
@SeeingAll: “(Ever watch Celebrity Jeopardy? Astoundingly stupid people.)”
Yes I have. Some are incredibly stupid, some more intelligent and the questions are clearly dumbed down. But they hardly represent a statistically significant cross section, and are more likely those that had the time, an appropriate favorite charity and an interest in participating. The regular contestants undergo a round of tests of general knowledge, ability to think and respond appropriately in front of an audience, as well as general telegenicity.
What happened in Paris is quite horrific, a tragedy that depicts large scale carnage and murder without mercy. This tragedy is almost a daily occurrence in Iraq, Syria, and Libya. ISIS doesn’t differentiate between Muslims and non-Muslims; you are either with them or against them. They are no different than a large organized crime syndicate that wants you to join it or “leave them alone” for the time being, until they come knocking at your door.
We as a free people should not forget that those criminals and murderers were empowered by our (western) politicians, our so-called “moderate” allies of the Gulf States, Turkey, Jordan, and Pakistan.
To advise all Pro-gun Americans who think that if the French public had guns, this tragedy would not have been on the same scale; I point to many cities and towns in all of Iraq Syria and Libya who had guns, tried to fight off ISIS, and couldn’t. I agree that those people died with honor and dignity, but in the end, they were not able to stop this plague.
Also, Stopping ISIS is really easy; they can be chocked off – Its very easy to see who is buying the stolen Iraqi and Syrian oil from them, who is buying the stolen ancient artifacts, who is allowing safe passage to the weapons, the human trafficking, and the steady stream of fighters, the drugs.
The Americans know who, the British, French and Germans know who, yet they pretend that they don’t – it’s easy to see why. You don’t have to look beyond the oil and weapon manufacturing markets/companies to know.
@dwes09: No, they’re all stupid. Only Luke Perry and the mother from Malcolm In the Middle revealed themselves to be very well-informed. (Truman Capote always said “great” actors were really dumb, but had this ability to come across as incredibly real different characters in roles, somehow. Their real persona, that blank-slate stupidity, worked for them. But that’s just about actors).
@dwes09: I don’t think Frank Ocean’s correct, either, re. Trump. I’m not especially into Trump, but…I can’t see why Trump’s necessarily wrong here. I just don’t know for sure. But you have good reason (backed up by stuff) to disagree with Trump and that’s fine. So why aren’t YOU the one with the article on Queerty instead of Frank Ocean ?
@dwes09: Uhhh….no, I believe I’m the progressive. He’s the regressive, stuck in all his “whitemen=bad; effeminate=good; masculinity=bad;” etc. dogma. A completely non-thinking reactionary in heels) who the thinking world is moving beyond. I prefer to stay with the thinking world, basing all conclusions on evidence. I’ve also just noted your first response back to me and concluded you’re another rude Queerty idiot.
@MCHG: “If there were a couple of armed people in the concert hall, its possible that lives could have been saved. I don’t know why some on the left think it take a police officer’s uniform to kill a bad person with a gun. People defend themselves with their guns all the time.”
Typical American mentality. for all you know it could have ended up in a bloodbath. No, guns don’t make a society safer. Look at America. It has far higher crime rates than other developed countries. Guns don’t seem to be helping.
“You said he didn’t have a tax plan. I said he did. Now you’re admitting that its a tax plan. I guess this argument is over lol”
Sorry forgot the quotation marks. “Tax Plan”. It’s not a tax plan at all. It’s a pile of bullshit.
“I said his positions were not vague (aka its very obvious what Trump wants to do). I don’t even know how Obama’s immigration policies relate to what we’re talking about. Stay on topic.’
Vague as in lacking real details. Vague as in being overly populist. No, his plans do not have specifics as to how he fund or operate such “plans”. He wants to build a wall, yet cut federal government and slash revenues by adopting a flat tax that would be disastrous to this country.
“Russia fought Georgia because Georgia was amassing troops and was ready to invade Abkhazia, which Russia had allied itself with.”
Except Abkhazia is recognized internationally as part of Georgia and no other country recognizes it as independent except Russia. This was a matter of the integrity of Georgia. Either way, the intervention was an expensive costly mess and was mostly botched on Russia’s part. It had little impact on Georgia in the medium term, and in fact Georgia has managed to build a rather extensive domestic arms and heavy weaponry industry. In fact the whole botched intervention affected less than 10% of Georgia’s military power.
“Numerous sources point to the fact that the U.S. funded and had an active role in the Ukrainian coup.”
Name them. That’s just speculation from your part. The people rose up against a man who was stealing endless amounts of money and pilfering from state coffers.
“Its embarrassing, and downright pathetic if the U.S. isn’t capable of establishing a better relationship with Russia given our common interests (stopping terrorism, global economic stability) and our past history as allies during WWII.”
Wow. You just managed to ignore… oh I don’t know… 45 years of history where the US and Russia didn’t have a working relationship and were adversaries. It was called the cold war. Putin is the one that doesn’t want a working relationship. It seems to me you’re just arguing in an attempt to disagree with me.
“No, I want them to come back alive and be able to say that they took out a sick and evil force terrorizing innocent people all over the planet.”
You don’t give a crap about them simply because you want another botched intervention you can’t possibly tell me whether it would work or not. So who are we going to back? Assad? The weak and insignificant non-ISIL opposition that was decimated by both Assad and ISIL? Your ideas are just “go in, shoot, get screwed and ask questions later” .That’s how this whole mess was created in the first place.
“Lets see: supporting the illegal assassination of a head of state (Qaddafi),lying about being under fire in Bosnia, using her foundation as a way to sell access to shady foreign countries, recklessly sending top secret documents through her private server. Need I say more?”
Right wing rhetoric, spin and bullshit. That’s all I see here. And you have no proof for anything. She has committed no wrong doing and everything you said is simply spin. What should I expect from a right winger anyways? You don’t incorporate any facts, in fact the articles you attempt to link towards don’t even back up your points because you proceed to take certain quotations out of context.
” Its downright laughable that you think we can take out a force of thousands who live among the people who’s countries they take over through air strikes alone. What are you going to do, drone strike residential areas in Iraq and Syria?”
You sound like Donald Rumsfeld. YOU ARE THE LAUGHABLE ONE if you think for one minute I’ll support your neo-conservative fantasies and ignorance. Sending troops into Syria is the dumbest pile of shit I’ve heard from you and other neo-conservatives. It’ll just be another botched disaster that will end up in urban warfare and a disaster for our troops. More thousands dead because you have some twisted demented fantasy.
@MCHG: “When you sign up for the military, you volunteer to make the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of innocent people. If anyone and their family are not prepared to deal with this, they shouldn’t enlist.”
Oh wow. Spoken like a true ignorant neo-con. You seem to think we should launch some sort of invasion of Syria and do what? Again who are we going to back? Assad? The non-existent non-ISIL rebels who couldn’t form a government? First off, any Russian troops in Syria are minimal in number and are mainly there to help Syrian troops learn about new equipment and get additional training. They are also serving as security to protect the small contingent of Russian flown SU-24 and SU-30s that are posted at a Syrian airbase.
There aren’t enough to support any form of ground offensive or even be a cooperative offensive with Assad’s army.
So who are we going to back? The Russians are backing Assad. So do we go against Assad with troops being deployed?
This is how mind numbingly stupid your argument really is.
“Obama admitted to politicizing the mass shootings and said we should continue to politicize them. He thinks its a good thing, so why even defend him from his own words?”
You clearly can’t read anything. That is what happens when you have a right wing mind. And even the families of victims are calling for political action. Is that not politicizing? First off, you need political action to get even improved background checks passed.
“Here’s a before and after image of Lybia under Qaddafi and Lybia under the NATO intervention that Hillary Clinton supported.”
Many European leaders also backed the intervention. Thanks for the stupid picture. That isn’t even showing most of Libya which was impoverished. You showed some of the properties that Qaddafi and his family owned. Big whoopie doo.
Why don’t you come up with a real argument and not regurgitate what you saw on Fox News?
Maybe use your own mind for once?
And don’t lie to us on here that you aren’t supporting one of the republicans. It is quite clear who you are supporting.
By the way, my time has been drastically reduced. From monday on, I work fulltime. I don’t have time for your pretentious crap.
@dwes09: SeeingAbsolutelyNOTHING is a total regressive with highly conservative viewpoints. I’m laughing so hard he’s claiming he’s progressive. He’s a freaking nutcase with lunatic viewpoints and he thinks Trump is right… even though Trump is so wrong.
The same applies to MCHG. The know-it-all who pops up every now and then, posts articles that don’t back up anything he says and vanishes after he gets destroyed in arguments. Check out MCHG’s past. Not pretty.
@Giancarlo85: Oh…hush up, Conchalita (the wannabe femmme-fatale moll of some Colombian druglord).
We deploy troops in Syria againast Assad… we will likely spark a battle against Russians there. So tell me… MCHG… have you thought of that? Or is this one of your more airheaded remarks? No troops in Syria, period.
This is a highly reputable source. This isn’t American mainstream crap.
The Kurds are highly capable fighters… with mainly obsolete weaponry (some SKS rifles dating back to the 1950s/60s), very little artillery and heavy weaponry. The “modern weaponry” they did receive was mainly excess stocks of junked G-36 rifles Germany deemed as inoperable garbage. That’s just about it. In fact those rifles were deemed so bad Germany was forced to buy HK-417s for their frontline troops.
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