Without legislation like the Uniting American Families Act to sponsor immigration for same-sex foreign partners, and without eliminating laws like the Defense of Marriage Act, untold thousands of gay Americans are finding it easier to just up and leave the United States’ borders for lands where being a homo doesn’t mean choosing between being alone and being with the one you love, who happens to hold citizenship in another country. And some of them are leaving behind their American citizenship to do it.
While it’s unclear how many of the increasing number of Americans denouncing their citizenship and moving abroad (235 people in 2008, 735 people in 2009) are because of same-sex marriage and immigration frustration, or Americans who find it easier for taxation and banking to have citizenship elsewhere, it’s worth noting that gay Americans face multiple obstacles by remaining in the U.S.
While some hetero Americans might revoke their citizenship for a tax break, the gays might do it for a tax break (they are refused because of DOMA) and the not-so-small matter of actually being able to live with their partner.
Tha Phoenix
I can;t say I haven’t thought about doing this one day myself..I swear is Brazil does it before the US…I might leave
Shawn
Yeah, my Boyfriend and I will be leaving after we are both done with college. Which is like 6 years, but there are better places that actually care about us…and I say that being a veteran too =\
Matt
I’m a bit confused here:
“untold thousands of gay Americans are finding it easier to just up and leave the United States”
yet: “235 people in 2008, 735 people in 2009” and even in those figures the writer says they’re not sure how many gay folk it is.
Could you clarify? Thanks!
Scott
The only gay friendlier countries I can think of are much colder than where I live. Are there any warm countries with gay friendly laws?
scottscott
Come to Canada. I like Americans.
Blake
im a 25 year old ex USAF flyer… I have been seriously been thinking of leaving… and yes @THA PHOENIX brazil is def top on my list. I was also looking at some Spanish Islands…
Blake
@SCOTT look at spain.. its nice weather.. there are some islands that are amazing..
Jonathan
I have a Canadian passport. Brrrr. I still intend on moving back, the US is too insane. I love what the US says it is, but the reality doesn’t live up to the PR.
The statistic that sticks with me is: Canada – 36% identify as religious. The US – 86%. Wonder why we have such a problem achieving our rights? Wonder no more.
Lucia
FAIL! Way to just run away from the problem instead of fighting for your rights.
scott ny'er
it would be great if we could get dual citizenship, just in case the grass isn’t as green as one thought. I mean, you just don’t know. And I’d prefer a warmer client too.
delurker
Stupid article and even dumber post. 700 people in a nation of 310,000,000 left the country? Wow. What a mass exodus, like the Israelites from Egypt!
And I’m willing to bet the farm that the largest percentage of these are naturalized Americans returning to the country of origin because of the economic downturn.
adman
Counting down the months until we go to Canada. The partner has a job lined up, with an estimated couple of years added to his career path, but he is in classes as we speak, to pass the Canadian certs. And college credits needed. I’m in business for myself, and so far I have 7 clients based out of Vancouver, since I started marketing myself there. 😛 I don’t care about the red-eyes flying there to service this client or that, it’s gonna be worth it when we are equal under the law. 🙂
Hilarious
What sense does it make to go to another area just for legalized gay marriage without knowing what other issues(including gay issues) you’ll face?
Gay marriage is not the end all be all of rights and safety. Safety being the thing people are quick to forget about. Living in the middle of nowhere may seem great because you get a few pieces of paper that say your marriage is legal, but those papers won’t stop someone from beating you or your spouse to death in the woods.
I don’t buy the whole “There aren’t any homophobes in Canada.” bs.
Brian
Just clarifying the article, the 700 people cited are the number who have forsaken their citizenship when moving abroad. This is a big deal, and almost always done for tax reasons. It doesn’t really belong in this article, which is about the much larger number of people who go to live/work overseas. While again most of this is work related, this category holds a large number of binational gay couples (like me) who can’t live in the US.
scott ny'er
@Hilarious: I think if one it deciding to move to another country and eventually renounce US citizenship, there are more things to think about than gay marriage as you sort of brought up.
other than marriage, there is safety, making a living, taxes, hospitals/healthcare, language barriers, environmental issues, temperature issues, technology, etc.
of course, if one is a flexible person and easily adaptable to things, then maybe these factors are not relevant. But then, why not stay in the US?
Sigfrid
Please, Americans, stay in your country…we do not need you here, we´re fine as we are…
Ron McCrea
Just to be clear about this, this article has no facts to back up the headline or the main assertion. It is not news reporting. It is pure speculation. It might be true, and it might make sense for gay people to do it, but the stories on expats renouncing (note “denouncing”) their U.S. citizenship, such as the one yesterday in the L.A. Times, do not contain any information about sexual orientation, just about people deciding to stop double taxation of their income. Some actual reporting would be interesting, but this isn’t it.
Andrew
My partner and I are returning to my home country Australia. I have lived the past 6 years in the US. The reason for our return had nothing to do with the lack of recognition for same sex partnerships. However, in saying this, I am glad to be moving back to a country that will recognise my partner for purposes of immigration and for most (if not all) government policies. The US is a great country and has many opportunities but the level of far right extremism and ignorance is getting a little worrying. I read a UK Historian writing about his fears that the far right craziness in the US is giving him the chilling feeling of a possibility of facism being introduced to US politics. I hope and pray he is wrong.
Hilarious
@Andrew: I read and heard plenty of stories about Australians spitting and swearing at Heath Ledgers funeral for merely starring in a gay movie.
Pretty sure ignorance is everywhere and running won’t solve a thing.
Being far right or far left is never a good thing. Extremists have always been the problem, not the flexible folks in the middle.
I could be wrong considering I’ve never been to Australia but I also hear there’s plenty of racism to go along with the much publicized homophobia as well.
Joshua
COME TO CANADA! We shall love you all! And i swear its not even that cold… The whole global warming thing will take care of that unfortunatly. But for real, Canada is where its at, we still have our bigots but we tend to bash back.
delurker
I’ve heard Australia described as 1960s Alabama…with nice beaches. It ain’t the promised land; no place is.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Hilarious: The problem is that we are a regressive country moving in some ways further and further right. We have one political party that is right of center (Democratic Party) that regularly triangulates (try to conduct bipartisanship) with a party that is increasingly insane in terms of placating extremist base. The part that’s really scary is that they don’t even think of themselves as extremist. They think they are “moderates.” The people in Arizona- they think that the decision on immigration is “normal.”Never mind the police state tactics that will violate civil liberties of people of color who are U.S. citizens. The funny part is that this issue never crosses their mind. That they are going to sweep up US citizens. Let’s not forget torturer, wars of choice, far right wing economic policies that are just a step away from how banana republic’s run their economy (wealth drained from the middle class to go to the wealthy) and on and on. Yet, people here think we are “middle” or moderate. We are no where near moderate. That’s why it is so hard on gay rights to win. You are dealing not just with bigotry, but also a deep level of complete lack of understanding of what moderation is- that even if one is Christian, for example, there is a such thing as equality. That’s why those arguments don’t work. You are overcoming some far right wing indoctrination that’s been building for decades. Another example- there are people who actually think that breaking up the banks is a bad thing.
adman
@Hilarious: Yeah, I said homophobia wasn’t a problem in a western country like Canada. Yep. that’s what I said all right, you fr*cken dumb ass.
John (CA)
@Hilarious:
Precisely.
Same-sex marriage is not some sort of wonderful cure all for every social ill. If it were, then everyone on the planet would queue up to move into Johannesburg. Hopefully, LGBT folk aren’t that naive. Otherwise, they will be in for quite a shock when they reach the “promised land.”
adman
@John (CA): Same sex marriage, hospital rights, (both under same health plan)Equal taxes, (filed jointly, thank you very much) Voting for causes and candidates that make a difference in our lives? your attempts to “keep hope alive” for America and more specifically American Queers, ring hollow at best to me. But mark me, I was born Canadian, will marry an American naturalized immigrant, and we’ll be dual citizens. Cost me $35.00 to find that out/ Go ahead with your ill advised “Apologize for America 2010” campaign, I’m not buying it sucker. And when they get you all loaded onto the boxcars, I guess we’ll have to be there to bail you out then too, but don’t bother listening to me, lol.
Hilarious
@adman: Who was talking to you?
Rashid
@Scott: Canada (not exactly warm), South Africa, Belgium, The Netherlands, Sweden, Spain, Norway.
ossurworld
This idea gives new meaning to ‘America: Love It or Leave It.’
InExile
Immigration is next on the table with the Democrats because they want the Latino vote. Everyone, please push your representatives to include gay couples in the immigration reform. Many same sex couples face being separated or have to leave the country just to stay together. The Comprehensive Immigration Reform was supposed to include the gays but we were pulled out (bargaining chip) at the last minute as usual.
Cam
It looks like Portugual may be the next country to legalize gay marriage.
“”On January 8, 2010, after a debate, which included the intervention of the Prime Minister,the Portuguese Parliament passed the bill establishing same-sex marriage in its first reading.
On 10 February, the Constitutional Affairs Committee of Parliament approved the bill.
The final parliamentary vote took place on 11 February, with the bill being approved.
On February 24, the Constitutional Affairs Committee sent the bill to the Portuguese President Aníbal Cavaco Silva.
On March 13, the President asked the Constitutional Court to verify whether the bill is constitutional.
On April 8, 2010, the Portuguese Constitutional Court ruled (11-2) that the bill is constitutional, with three members concluding that the Constitution requires the recognition of same-sex marriages.
The ruling was published in the official gazette on April 28. President Aníbal Cavaco Silva now has twenty days to sign or veto the bill.
According to some sources, Cavaco Silva will veto the bill.
If he chooses the veto, the bill will go back to the Portuguese Parliament to be aproved in a final voting round before coming into force.””
hudson
@Scott: depends where you are in canada. Vancouver is like Seattle but with skiing and boarding only 20 minutes from downtown.
We’ve got our fair share of bigots here (my uncle being one of the worst)- but I’m continually surprised at how accepting people can be outside of urban centres. Come on up!
A.G.
I’m sure it will please the wingnuts and teabaggers that some gays have decided to leave the US. They may start to fund one-way tickets for us.
Disgusted American
Give me a few Million $$ TAx Free – and Id be more then happy to get the hell out of this country…..Liberty & Justice for all my ass….those words are LIES! They are pretty words, that make (a)merica sound better then it actually is in reality….America can SUCK IT
Canadian
Hilarious
Living in the middle of nowhere may seem great because you get a few pieces of paper that say your marriage is legal, but those papers won’t stop someone from beating you or your spouse to death in the woods.
I don’t buy the whole “There aren’t any homophobes in Canada.” bs.
So these “woods” you speak of, this “middle of nowhere”…I’m currently surrounded by office buildings and 3+ million people. I think you need to update your stereotypes 😉
And OF COURSE we have bigots; if you can find a place with ZERO bigots, I’ll move there with you! But you have a hell of a lot more freedom up here (despite what the propaganda machine that rolled on out during the most heated moments of the health care debate) to be who you are, who you want to be. Either way, I wish you happiness 🙂
Hilarious
That’s not a stereotype, just because you live in a city in Canada, doesn’t mean a large majority of Canada isn’t a giant freaking forest. Cities make up a very small portion of the place so don’t even try to pull that one on me.
I never said there is a place without bigots, I was responding to the actual stereotype that Canada doesn’t have bigots, and that it’s some happy place where everyone is free to be who they are and want to be. That place doesn’t exist any more than a land without bigots.
I think you missed the point of my post. When you leave one country for another you give up some freedoms to gain others.
Can you honestly say Canada has all of the freedoms, luxuries, and rights America does, and then some? Canada is just perfect and pristine with no problems?
No, it’s a trade off. The question is: Is the trade off worth it and what will you be gaining or losing?
I’d say the same to someone with 13 wives who decided to move to America for a better life. So it’s not like I have some problem with Canada.
My argument lies with running away from your problems when America really is not that bad. Why trade your problems here for the problems of another country when you can stay here and help change them while enjoying the luxuries that come with being an American citizen?
Canada is no more perfect than America. China is no more perfect than Japan. Why run? It solves nothing, it’s cowardly, and it doesn’t help the community we claim to be. You can’t say you’re apart of the gay community and then preaching cowardly actions as our salvation.
Gay men and women should be moving to states where marriage isn’t allowed and voting for change. We should be listening to the activists who are fighting in our names and making it possible for us to vote and voice our opinions on this issue.
The answer is not running to other countries as if they’re some holy grail of gay hope.
TommyOC
The growing movement isn’t about US Citizens moving abroad – it’s about US Citizens RENOUNCING THEIR CITIZENSHIP!
Why would they do that?
Because the U.S. is one of the few nations left on earth that taxes its expatriates on income they earn generated solely in their country of residence. Those same citizens also have to pay taxes to the country they presently reside in. When it’s all said and done, they’re getting raped financially.
So many folks in this situation decide to drop their citizenship and become a citizen of somewhere else. It allows them to, you know, live.
I’m a gay man. I want to get married someday. But I’m not sure I’d give up my American rights for any other nations’ (Canada is a close maybe). Now, of course, if I were living overseas and had to decide between food on my table or paying taxes to a country whose services don’t support me… well… then that would be a completely different story.
Mark_in_Belgium
Am an American living overseas, domestically-partnered with Dutch lover for past 14-plus years. Yes, US citizens are taxed on worldwide income .. BUT .. those who live overseas on a more-or-less permanent basis are not taxed AT ALL on the first roughly $85,000 of worldwide income. I suspect the ones who are giving up citizenship are earning much more than that, and/or have six-figure bank accounts in the suspect havens of Switzerland, Liechtenstein, or Monaco, populated by funds of dubious origin. As for the numbers of people renouncing citizenship — there’s no way of knowing why. The New York Times had these figures in an article earlier this week, and intimated that the reasoning was primarily economic.
Canadian
Hilarious
That’s not a stereotype, just because you live in a city in Canada, doesn’t mean a large majority of Canada isn’t a giant freaking forest
:O OK nevermind, you missed MY point too, obviously. Now if you’ll excuse me, the ice is melting around my igloo cyber-cafe (we finally just got our first computer! It’s made of wood but it works real well!) and my dogsled just pulled up, time to go or Pa will whip me with the beaver pelt again!
scott ny'er
@Hilarious: Sometimes it’s nice not to fight all the time and be able to exist peacefully. So, if faced with a situation where one needs to fight more often than not, why not go towards the easier route? Some of us are tired and have to fight many battles or have fought many battles in the past.
Blake J
@John (CA):
I live in South Africa and I would have to agree with you.
No one should to choose to move here just because we have full rights as homosexual individuals.
The crime rate is one of the worst in the world, we have a useless corrupt government, and even more problems beyond those.
Believe me, if it was put up to popular vote (like what happens in the USA), we would have more than then the right to marry be removed.
And it would not be a meager 60% like the USA, but probably above 90% against equal rights.
So the USA is behind in equality, but it is doing much better in almost everything else.
I would say the best option weather wise, etc. would be Spain.
Andrew
@Hilarious: Just to clarify – we are not leaving the US for ‘political’ reasons but simply my aged parents are at a stage where they need us around for support and my wonderful partner has agreed to move over so I can be there for my aged P’s. You are correct in that Australia is no paradise on earth and that there are ignorant racist and homophobic bigots about. However, the one thing that I think is Australia’s saving grace is that extremism of any shape or form (left wing politics, right wing politics, religion etc) is simply ignored and not pandered to by any main stream political party. Fundamentally it is a country of common sense. I am sure there is going to be major adjustment to living back here (especially for my partner). However, being shallow I am just looking forward to hearing the kookaburras in the morning and being able to head down for a swim in the surf (and having a meat pie for lunch). Simple pleasures LOL.
Whoddafunk?
There is a huge difference between renouncing your citizenship and going abroad (to somewhere where you already hold dual-citizenship with) and simply moving to another country.
At age 18 I moved from the USA to Europe, motivated in large part by (but not wholly by) a desire to live in a society with more advanced gay rights.
Some of the comments here seem to be giving the impression that the world outside the U.S. is some cold, dark, depopulated place where you’re never going to know what might happen to you…
The reality is quite different. There ARE places where being anti-gay is just as taboo as being pro-Nazi. There ARE places with much less crime as in the U.S. There ARE places where you can smoke a joint in peace without fear of police harassment, something you can’t be sure of in the “land of the free”.
It’s weird but I still love America and define myself as American above all else, and I love our national ethos of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but in the world the way it is right now there are places more conducive to pursuing both liberty and happiness for me. So in a way my own American ideals have pushed me to make a life for myself outside the country. In two years I’ll be eligible for dual-citizenship and that will be very exciting.
I’ve always thought about moving back to the U.S. when at least the legal equality equals what it is where I’m currently living… so hopefully that will happen soon. It’s a hard thing to go through when you visit your native country and love it but feel it is inferior to other places. Must be how some immigrants to the U.S. itself feel about their home countries if they left because of war or financial strife.
Bill Perdue
I can’t speak for non-nationals living here, but for Americans the thing to do is to say and fight.
There are great dangers ahead as the country polarizes because of a still failing economy, Obama’s wars and the combativeness of bigots, racists and gynephobes.
Which is why we need a politically independent movement that can reach out and form alliances to win equality by winning fundamental change.
Rodrigo
@ bill perdue: you meant to say mr. Bush’s wars , right?
Anyway, GO CANADA! Although I kind of agree that we should stay and fight for our rights here in the US, some people have waited long enough and Have become tired of not having their rights acknowledged in their very own home country! With that said, I don’t blame them for leaving.. Why stay in a country where your rights aren’t recognized, 2nd class citizen status is the norm and our relationships are deemed insignificant by our government?
And to those nagging about the weather.. Trust me , I’d rather live in a place with year round snow knowing that I am as equal as to any hetero than living in “sunnyville” USA.
Scott
@ScottScott
@Jonathan
@Joshua
@Hudson
I was at the Gay Games in Vancouver back in 1990. I found Canadian men very attractive because they seemed to lack the macho attitude, more laid back. They’re much more comfy like putting on a favorite old flannel shirt. That’s also been true of Canadian men I’ve met in the US. Maybe my random sampling isn’t large enough to fully represent the country but I’m intrigued.
Luc
@Hilarious: I think you’re making a valid point when you say that it’s preferable for gay Americans to stay and fight to make their country a more equal place. However, you undermine (and bury) your point when you say: “Can you honestly say Canada has all of the freedoms, luxuries, and rights America does, and then some??” For the record: yes, of course Canada has all the freedoms, luxuries and rights America does. In fact, all Western democracies do. America isn’t unique in that it’s a privileged land of freedom. It’s unique in that it thinks it’s the only such land of freedom. Which is kinda sad.
LoveMoby
@Joshua:
Wish it were that easy mate:-(
LoveMoby
@Hilarious:
Canada is a country that actually MEANS it when it says it treats people equally under the law….it’s not just lip service.
Bill Perdue
@Rodrigo: What a silly question. It’s not a typo. Maybe it’s your lack of historical perspective.
I hope this will help.
Eisenhower> began the first serious US interference in the internal affairs of muslim countries by arming zionist colonizers in Palestine (as have all his successors), overthrowing the independent government of Iran when it took control of their oil industry and invading Lebanon at the invitation of falangist christian leaders. The Eisenhower Doctrine arrogantly gave the U.S. a self proclaimed right to intervene in countries threatened by the international Communist conspiracy. (Remember this was before fleets of Vietnamese sampans off Ventura and Big Sur threatened us with invasion and before the International Terrorist conspiracies.)
JFK and LBJ were not so active because they were busy murdering Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians.
Nixon, Carter and Reagan continued US interference in the internal affairs of Muslim countries begun with a special Olympics air invasion of Iran and hostility to the Iranian revolution which allowed it to be betrayed by the ayatollahs who still rule.
Bush1 launched an attack on Iraq to prevent Hussein from re-absorbing Kuwait, separated in 1918 by the English declaring Kuwait to be an independent sheikhdom and a British ‘protectorate’ to get leverage over the regions oil.
Clinton launched dozens of air and missile attacks on muslim countries and declared an embargo on food, medical and sanitary supplies which the UN and world aid NGO’s estimate killed half a million innocent children and babies.
Bush2 invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to acquire oil hegemony killing roughly another half million.
They became Obama’s war at 12:00 noon on Tuesday, January 20, 2009. Obama’s keeping occupation troops in Iraq to secure the oil, escalated the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and began killing Pakistani civilians in earnest with air and missile strikes.
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swarm
Typical. Nobody even reads the article referenced and it’s all about gay rights. And did you Queerty? It’s not exactly “a tax break”. It’s a “fish or cut bait” situation.
Quote:
Mr. Flynn had held an account with a U.S. bank for 44 years. Still, he wrote, ‘they said that the new anti-terrorism rules required them to close our account because of our address outside the U.S.'”
It’s obvious that this massive number of 735 people who were no longer living here but maintaining US bank accounts had to make a choice because you can no longer keep your money here if you are technically living in another country. It’s not that deep.
Additionally, Obama’s new tax law has enacted a tax burden on US citizens maintaining off shore accounts and foreign financial accounts with a “foreign trust audit” so naturally that is going to impact citizenship as well.
Obama’s continued resentment of personal and business’s financial success is what will drive more citizens out of the country NOT gay rights.
None of this has anything to do with gay rights but people deciding to control their own money and stop subsidizing the 40% of US citizens paying no income tax.
Queerty why not actually blog about the different gay friendly countries’ pros and cons? I moved to Greece once, after having spent 5 months per year there for 6 years. I knew all about it. I spoke the language and had relatives there. I lasted two months and was right back here. (lucky for me, look what’s going on there now). My very first experience with medical care was a disaster for my 2 year old son and his Athenian pediatrician was my cousin, and a professor at the top medical school in the country, no villager.
Y’all will find it’s quite different when you actually make the “permanent” change and are no longer seeing everything through tourist vision. I’m looking at you, #12Adman, you have a plan but if you never LIVED THERE you might want to prepare yourself for the grass is not greener scenario. Especially if you need medical care. But likely you’re a young person and not even thinking about that.
Everyday life is VERY DIFFERENT. Flexible? I can’t imagine the gay boys I know loving having to turn on the hot water for a shower or scheduling your “laundry” hours in advance of needing it LOL. Ok, kidding but still…
Further, I guarantee you that very few “successful” person/couple is going to abandon the US for a country in which they have no ties (except the wealthy who can still afford to come back here all the time especially for things like HEALTH CARE). People with “nothing” have “nothing” to lose by “trying out” or fantasizing about living elsewhere. LMAO have fun say, going to the dentist in England. Even the dental care HERE with only “insurance” is substandard level of care and none of the “good” dentists even take insurance.
Then again for people like #42 for whom smoking a joint is such a high priority, there will always be “somewhere” you can rationalize is “better”.
adman
@swarm: I Am Canadian, living here now and going back there, but you never thought of that before jumping up in class with all the answers. Queerty is so full of knuckleheads, it’s unbelievable.
adman
@Hilarious: as you emerge from your troll-shell, I look forward to seeing you ridiculed you here..you really think you’re a queenly thing to be gazed upon, don’t you? Getting settled with the idea of you digging your own hole here over time, Ms. Thing.
ex-pat
After the 2004 elections, my partner of 14 years (at the time) started looking up north, and in 2005, we took our money and our skills and immigrated to Canada. Same-sex marriage was ONE reason, but not the only one. Is Canada perfect? No. But health care, a stable economy, and a widespread acceptance of diversity of all types make it all worthwhile.
People both here and in the States have asked me if my husband and I would consider going back now that Bush is out of the office. I ask them how many openly gay politicians have a pretty good chance of being the next mayor of New York City. The frontrunner in the next Toronto mayoral election is openly gay, and he stepped down as Deputy Premier of Ontario to run for mayor. His sexuality has never been an issue in the campaign. Let’s face it, it’s going to be a long time before attitudes change in the States, Obama or no Obama.
Some of our US friends “disapproved” of our move. They say we gave up the fight. I say the fight has already been lost, and I don’t see any signs of anyone coming up with a new a plan of attack.
ElRobocop
@Scott: Spain is one of them. and some other EU countries; Germany for instance is not cold at all in comparison to many US countries besides CA…
adman
@swarm: I grew up there, next question. I know as a narrow minded American provincial you can’t wrap your head around dual citizenship, you know one American parent, one American? But get off my dress without something to say, K? Canada Forever! Enjoy your plutocracy and it’s never ending propaganda, because it’s increasingly all that America has to offer to gays who believe in it’s ideals, sadly.
Tallskin
oH GOD, NOT MORE YANKS OVER HERE IN EUROPE??!!
Just joking folks! Come on in, the water’s nice and warm.
And we have better food in Europe than Canada (well maybe not here in the UK, but in France, Spain, Italy). Here in the UK, We have good tea and our breakfasts are good. And London is in Europe.
But seriously, Sarah Palin might win the next Presidential Election in which case…. well fuck knows what’ll happen then. Armageddon?
Much as I think Bill Perdue has a point when he says that you ought to stay and fight, there comes a time when you think, fuck it, enough is enough. I fled England during the dark days of Thatcher, and only returned when she had been toppled.
ryan
@Whoddafunk?:
how u get dual citizenship ? u got married or something in europe ? i want to stay in one place but only have 6 months in canada or UK .Everywhere else is 3 months.