There’s grasping at straws, and then there’s this: A group of 100 conservative “scholars” have filed a last-ditch argument to try and convince the US Supreme Court that national same-sex marriage will result in 900,000 more abortions over the next 30 years. That sounds pretty serious — so for the sake of the unborn children, let’s hear them out.
Get ready for the most deranged version of If You Give A Mouse A Cookie you’ve ever heard.
- If you legalize same-sex marriage, “traditional marriage” will be unavoidably undermined. No two ways about it.
- If traditional marriage loses its cultural reverence, straight men and women will be much less incentivized to marry at all. If the gays can do it, why should they?!
- Once that happens, other similarly traditional values like monogamy “will likewise crumble.”
- Legions of unmarried women sleeping around can only spell one thing — abortions, abortions, abortions. 900 thousand to be exact.
It’s “a short and simple causal chain that the Supreme Court would be wise not to set in motion,” says Gene Schaerr, the former clerk of Justice Antonin Scalia who officially filed the brief, though even he admits to The Washington Post that, “it is still too new to do a rigorous causation analysis using statistical methods.”
Still, the brief argues:
How about we take this to the next level?
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Even a 5 percent drop in marriage rates in the United States over the next thirty years would have deep and dire consequences. The logic is simple: fewer women marrying means fewer children born, more children born out-of-wedlock—and indeed, more children aborted. Conservatively estimating that only half of that 5 percent increase in the number of unmarried women would result in women who never marry, this means that there would be 1.275 million more women who never marry and almost 600,000 more children who will be born outside of marriage. This would result in as many as 1.75 million children who will never be born, including about 900,000 who will be aborted. That’s a big deal.
What’s a much bigger deal is the fact that this is literally the best they have at this point. Which is absolutely nothing.
h/t: Gawker
Dale Landefeld
just friggin’ gross….how dumb, ….Got any other concepts?
Realitycheck
Strange for two reasons, these arguments make no sense,
there is no real logic behind it, but more importantly in a
court of law any statement must be prove or be false.
How are conservative lawyers are going to prove any of it?
IvanPH
Traditional marriage losing its cultural relevance? Hmm. Maybe they should blame the divorces straight couples for that.
Straight people will stop getting married because gay people gained marriage rights? Yup. White people stopped being white too when colored people gained civil rights.
Craig Houghton
Again with the unborn baby thing. Unless you can actually put a diaper on it, it’s a fetus not a baby.
Robert Knoll
Simple People need a Simple Answer.
So for them it’s Always The GAYS
Truly Idiotic
Milk
@Realitycheck: They are counting the christianistas sperms being gobbled up by each other instead of using it to fertilized more children being raised in a bigot farm.
Rob Laughlin
I’d expect the opposite. More people willing to adopt because they can legally marry. But what does this silly mo know?
Giancarlo85
Christian conservatives view women as baby making machines. Take for example the insane fundamentalist Duggar family. Same sex marriage will cause abortions? Not going to happen. But I would ask these so called Christians what about all the kids stuck in the adoption system with many going from foster home to foster home? There are hundreds of thousands of kids stuck in the system. What about them?
George Carlin said it right… Conservatives are very concerned about the fetus… Once you are born, you are screwed. No health care or anything. But conservatives do get interested when you reach military age. Live babies, dead soldiers. Now I am just paraphrasing Carlin, but he was right… conservatives have a track record of not giving a shit about human life.
Dakotahgeo
Where do these anti-Christian nimrods get this crap? From elderly retards!
level75RDM
So gay marriage is the solution to China’s population problem?
jwtraveler
Once again, I have to hand it to the anti-gay nuts. They do have vivid imaginations.
Jaroslaw
Less marriage may lead to more hetero promiscuity and more abortions but Gays will have absolutely nothing to do with that. “Traditional values” of all kinds are going in the toliet. Fewer and fewer younger people join or commit to anything. This includes marriage. Another example – look at any civic or fraternal organization, or house of worship. Average age of members is going up.
dommyluc
I have never taken a law class in my life, but even a dumbass like me knows that any attorney who would submit a brief this incredibly stupid not only deserves to be sent back to law school, he deserves to be sent back to kindergarten.
Jeff Eiselman
Can’t kill what isn’t there.
T-Wicked Iris Morgue
The earth is OVERPOPULATED
rand503
They said similar horrors would occue once gays are in the military. Nothing happened.
I suggest we take the comments of all the haters regarding the repeal of DADT and show the world how wrong they were. Hopefully that will discredit some of them.
David Andrew Roubideaux
I don’t belive that. Those lawyers are insane for thinking that. & as a anti war person. The war has been doing more damage. :)’s
BRYANinSF
If you give a mouse a cookie, it will eat the cookie, which means one less cookie for Schrodinger’s cat, but then Schrodinger’s cat is in a dark box and no one knows if the poor cat is alive or dead, and the stress of not knowing will have a huge influence on heterosexual marriages, and Michele Bachmann says the Rapture is coming and where did I put my tinfoil hat and….
Let me rephrase that.
Those 100 conservative “scholars” are idiots.
polarisfashion
Guys, let’s hope they do use these dumb arguments when SCOTUS rules on gay marriage. If this is the best they can do, then we have a real shot at nationwide marriage equality! Plus these dummies make for great entertainment!
Leon Wilborn
If this is the best they can come up with…
Benjamin Rodriguez
And the fact that 70% of straight men, aged 24-34, are showing no interest in marriage whatsoever isn’t going to affect the birthrate more?
Patrick Laney
Straws? They are just plain stupid… Stop trying to control people you asshats!
Jaroslaw
@dommyluc: The reason these lawyers submit these crazy briefs is their agenda. They know it is garbage, but they have to tell their “constituents” they are fighting the evil “homosexual empire”. When this ceases to be profitable either politically or monetarily, these actions (funded mostly by certain religious or conservatively affiliated groups) will diminish.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: That’s absolute crap. People are getting less engaged in churches because society gets more developed and open. This has happened in various western countries. Do you even read the trash you post?
BitterOldQueen
Oh please, honey, I leave more dead babies than that in a tissue on a slow Tuesday.
Jaroslaw
@Giancarlo85: What exactly is “absolute crap?” I observed a phenomenon, I didn’t give the reason for the phenomenon as you did. Why so rude and obnoxious, AGAIN? Are you going to comment on everything I post? If 3 other people can explain in a posting here why they agree with you, I won’t post for a month.
Realitycheck
@Milk: LOL
Realitycheck
@Giancarlo85:
Actually Jaroslaw agrees with you he said I quote:
>>Average age of members is going up.>>
Meaning younger people are not going to church.
And that is what I have seen in Europe only old people
go to church…..
Jaroslaw
@Realitycheck: Thanks – I don’t know why this guy is so obnoxious towards me. On another post I asked him to back up an assertion against me with a quote and he didn’t. (See beer pong rapist). Disagreement is fine, this is a discussion board after all, but I see no reason to be so continually uncouth about it.
Realitycheck
@T-Wicked Iris Morgue:
Thank you, we need people to start saying that, I have been thinking
Overpopulation for years and the projections are beyond scary.
John Kuehnle
I think the only thing that’s killing marriage is divorce and some celebs who marry and divorce a few months later, they don’t take it seriously and I don’t think many do anymore
Ryan Ellis
I….. Does he….. Omg… I can’t…
Realitycheck
@Jaroslaw:
You are not the only one, I used to like the guy, but he is way to extreme,
he is not capable of understanding, that his point of view, is only his.
To be in a group, social skills are required, as you say this is a message board
and it made to discuss, not to impose one person point of view on everybody else.
Like you I truly do not understand why he is so overly and unnecessarily
aggressive, and with other gay people, it is plain wrong.
All I can say, is that obviously in his mind we are all, either 100% on his
side, or we are all his enemies, that is not normal behavior there are definitely
issues there.
David Russo
…..or save double that amount!
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: Beacues you can’t read and refuse to read. Your tone of your post indicated there was something wrong with the way society was headed. I’m not buying it.
And now we have the talking head “unreality”check posting in here because it’s convenient. Hit and run troll.
@Realitycheck: And I never did like your incapable incoherent self. Sorry. And I have strong social skills… something you totally lack in every regard. Your constant bashing on feminine gay men and defending people like Russell Tovey was enough for me.
Where am I imposing anything on anyone? You keep saying that, yet you can’t prove any of it. You might as well become a christian conservative because you think a lot like them. You are not honest.
And you are passive aggressive… which is apparent in all of your posts.
“All I can say, is that obviously in his mind we are all, either 100% on his
side, or we are all his enemies, that is not normal behavior there are definitely
issues there.”
More outlandish statements from a charlatan. How would you know any of that? I never said anything like that. I only criticize people when they say stupid things about highly important matters. I am fine with someone even agreeing with me half of the time, but the moment they start foaming at the mouth about gender norms, the law (in which would affect the LGBTQQI community), or supporting the political right… I have a big problem with it.
Get off your high horse. You’re doing the same thing that you’re accusing me of doing!
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: You didn’t ask me to back up anything. You didn’t even have an argument there to begin with. You didn’t have any proof for anything you said. You are extremely dishonest! You haven’t proved a damn thing!
Fidel Lee
their license to practice law should be revoked immediately on grounds of abject stupidity 🙂
Jim Guinnessey
The underlying issue is not about same sex marriage but Fundamentalist and religion-sponsored hatred of Gays.
dave lopes
lol..lol..lol too funny.
Jaroslaw
@Giancarlo85: I’m going to answer both 627pm & 629pm posts here.
1. Anyone here who cares to can go to the beer pong rapist post and see the points I made that no one else did, how rude you were to almost everyone there and the question I asked which you did not answer.
2. It is you who cannot read or comprehend – I put “traditional values” in quotes and indicated several things associated with them are in decline. This statement, by itself, is neutral; the preceding statement clearly indicates where my sentiments lie – that Gay people are not responsible whatsoever. You are disagreeing with something I did not say.
3. What proof do I need? You have no proof I have no argument,it is your opinion only. I gave examples which are easily observable (declining church attendence) or in the case of asserted medicaid fraud, explained why it is more than plausible the reporter gave a completely erroneous impression – even if you or other readers can’t verify the factualness.
So I just want you to know regardless of your inflammatory, obnoxious responses to my posts, I will not be responding further.
Ai-Quoc N. Heller
Huh?!
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: I will respond to this, even though it’s complete nonsense.
You do not understand the legal system. You made that quite clear. I do not believe you have ever worked in the legal system (especially not in the United States, since your grammar and sentence structure is rather disastrous).
You are the one who has had no grasp of what I am discussing and you refuse to read what I posted. You suffer from severe reading comprehension problems. Your statement was inaccurate in several senses. I wasn’t talking about gay people either exactly. I was telling you why straight people are not getting married as much.
I have plenty of proof. You have never posted anything and you have never given any real evidence for anything. Everything you have posted is your own opinion. I understand this isn’t an English essay, and my grammar isn’t perfect either… but your grammar is absolutely atrocious. Often I can’t even read what you post because it is so muddled.
Alex Cameron
What a load of bullshit as long as a child is loved that mattets
Roee Moshe
Even if it was true, it’s not like there’s a shortage of people in the world.
Adrian Zavala
Population control. Mother Nature does it all the time. And so do the Chinese. And Pfizer. And Trojan. And, oh hell, stop having kids!!!
GayEGO
These are not real lawyers they are toadstools who attempt to poison minds but fail.
MARcadia
OH SHIT! This is the moment i realize that my being gay is causing all these straight women to sleep around with men. Damn, too bad they havent sleept around with me.
MARcadia
If anything they should give gays everywhere a medal!… For not killing unborn fetuses. I mean, if you are gay and you are sleeping around promiscuosly there is slim to no chance of your getting another gay pregnant and then having to get an abortion. Gays: Not getting abortions since 6,000,000 B.C.
Mara Jayde
@MARcadia:
I think it goes back further than that, many animals are like this as well. But you make a valid point.