Gay couples are more likely to have threesomes and open relationships. This kind of sexual openness may actually be good for couples. “Many happy and successful relationships, both gay and straight, have open contracts around sex.” I personally know lots of couples who seem very stable that have threeways and claim it keeps them monogamous. Works for me.
Gay Monogamy?
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REBELComx
Monogamy is about who you love…not who you screw. Trust is more important than monogamy anyway.
People are too wrapped up in some of the things that sex supposedly means. There’s a big difference between having hot sweaty fun sex and making love.
seitan-on-a-stick
One always misses out (the fatter, uglier one with the smaller penis) in my personal research and when we ALL get the dish on why they finally split up after 12 years, it was the threesomes and miss piggy in the middle! It can work for some, just not most. I don’t see the source of professional opinion or are we talking about one of Queerty’s infamous Crystal parties?
Key
It works for some people but not all. I have known people very dedicated to living an open lifestyle with their partner – whose relationship STILL ended because they didn’t feel valued enough.
daniel k
The bottom line, (no pun intended), is that both parties in the relationship have to decide the parameters of said relationship. Bringing in a third or fourth person is never a good idea if both people aren’t secure enough in the foundation they laid from day one. A person should never agree to a situation like this if they’re doing it to appease the other person.
Jorge
Having threesomes or open relationships doesn’t equal monogomay. If people want to continue to sleep around then remain single.
boywonder
Many friends have had open relationships and I have been the 3rd in relationships. You no how many of those relationships are still together? None! If you are looking for something more in your bed you might want to look for something more in your heart. You aren’t with the right guy. Get back out there and start looking. Don’t settle.
ryandavis
I tend to think monogamy is purely a societal invention.
todd
I know several couples who’ve had threesomes and one of them always ran off with the third.
Darth Paul
The problem is that too many gay dudes do NOT ever mature psychologically regarding relationships. Some need to feel sexy and wanted constantly (promiscuity) while others need to feel ownership and owned by their partner (Jorge’s brand of monogamy). Both attitudes are disgustingly immature and have no place in the marriage/LTR argument.
I was in an open relationship for 10yrs. Its end had nothing to do w/who we were/n’t screwing, but with a lack of direction and momentum.
Also, take a look at the word monogamy. It means “one wife”…so it’s obviously a contrived institution intended to appease women (or men with displaced feminine emotions, as is pitifully the case with many gay males).
The ultimate challenge to healthy queer adult relationships for us to stop apeing the straights, humping tradition for its own sake, and fawning over idealism that gay “culture” self-righteously declares as preferred.
Mike in MO
open relationships are the secret bonus of being queer. The straights have pretty much everything, so we should appreciate that we can hook up and have all kinds of depraved fun without the hang ups of the traditional relationship.
Also, for every couple that has broken up after allowing a third, there is a another like a couple I know that has been doing it for years and couldn’t be more secure.
ChicagoJimmy
Wow, lots of opinions here and isn’t that they way it should be? It seems relationships are best defined by those in them, not those judging them. I must admit that the couples I’ve known who’ve opened up their relationships all came to a bad end. I was the third person in another situation and they ended up breaking up too. I don’t think it was because of the open relationship, but rather think they opened their relationships up because they were really done with each other and couldn’t just end it maturely.
Still, if it works for some people, great. The basis of any good sexual relationship is still honesty and trust, no matter how many people are in the bed.
ajax
Why all the anger, Darth Paul? Did someone hit a nerve?
I’ve been in a sexually exclusive relationship for almost fourteen years. It forces a level of honesty, vulnerability, and communication that frightens most people – and I completely understand how and why it frightens people. Man up and learn to be TRULY honest with your husband and with yourself.
Troyboy
AJAX for President!!!! Smartly stated.
Down with Darth Paul. I hope you get cut by a light saber.
Girl on the Go
And you wonder why many people don’t think that gays deserve the right to marry???
Jorge, has it right. If you aren’t ready to settle down and commit then don’t do it. If you can’t make a commitment then don’t.
flightoftheseabird
Monogamy, as I see it, is a a myth. I’ve bee with my partner almost 12 years and I think the only reason we have survived this long is because we started bringing in thirds. He and I love each other very much, are truly committed to each other, and because we agreed about the direction and nature of our relationship before we did anything. We have a strong established trust that binds us together, before, during, and after some cute 19yo is fucking one of us.
I think that there is a severe lack of emotional maturity in gay culture. Straights start the dating process at 11, 12, 13, 14 whatever, but for most of us gays, we don’t start until 18, 19, 20, etc. So we have the body and hormones of a 20yo and the maturity of a 12yo.
Billy
What Girl On The Go, Jorge and Ajax said.
okieboy
My partner & I of 5 years have tried 3-ways several times and just gave up on it. It always sounds inticing but when it gets down it we just can’t get it up with anyone else. Must be true love!
Cam
Of all the couples I know who have opened up their relationships, and there are many, only 1 is still together. The threeways were usually the first sign that they weren’t that in to each other anymore. It may have prolonged the break-up unecessarily but in the end there was always a break-up. Oh, and the one couple still together…..lets just say it’s been a while since they’ve slept together WITHOUT somebody else in the room.
Rikard
Being different than the majority, no matter how similar we may be to the average straight couple, forces us to have an outsider’s perspective. It’s what allows us to reexamine some of the basic assumptions (monogamy promotes stability). Maybe we have less at stake since we rarely procreate accidentally and usually have individual incomes.
CondeNasty
Bravo AJAX. I have been in an exclusive relationship for 16 years and totally agree with you. It is not always a picnic, but blunt honesty and communication are the rules of the day…
Mike in MO
ChicagoJimmy said it, and it bears repeating for all you three-way haters:
relationships are best defined by those in them, not those judging them
ChicagoJimmy, I’m going to steal that, mmm-kay?
Trenton
Why all the dumping on Darth Paul? I thought that he was quite cogent…and he’s absolutely right that the latter kind of “love” is despiccable—that jealous sort of love that is founded on a sense of security thinly veiling a possession/ownership dynamic, which is entirely selfish. However, I think that both forms of “immature love” that he describes are as old as love itself. Most people of every creed and color and age and orientation are capable of little more than these kinds of love. Therefore, I wouldn’t call them immature…just personally undesirable, because they often lead to a lot of hurt; these relationships foster a lot of resentment and loneliness and often lead people to cheat anyways. Open-relationships require all parties to be rather sophisticated in their approach to human relationships and to be emotionally self-sufficient, though by no means emotionally detached or selfish. And when I say sophisticated, I do not mean “advanced” or “better”. I am awed by a few people in my life (gay and straight) who have such pure, exuberant relationships that seem so natural and that make both partners so giddy that there truly is no better phrase to describe them than soul-mates. And this connection is not the result of intellectualizing and analyzing the nature of human relationships or their significance to each other…it just happened for them because of who they are.
Not everyone is so lucky as to experience that sort of love, and some of us can’t help but micro-analyze everything. For that reason, a strong relationship will be as much an intellectual endeavour as an emotional one to some. In such cases, open-relationships I think can strengthen bonds…not because the emotional aspect immediately goes stale, but because the intellecutal/experiential aspect can go stale and then poison the emotional aspect.
I do sympathize with champions of monogamy, and I won’t call your presumptions archaic, but it is terribly judgmental for you to assume that others are not capable of having bonds that aren’t based on exclusivity in all aspects of one’s life. And the comment by Girl on the Go is just sad…it seems to imply that A) all heteros are monogamy advocates B) heteros have the right to “allow” us to get married. GotG, you sound like you are very happy being a second class citizen…and that we should beg them and “normalize” to a narrow lifestyle which (looking at the divorce rate) apparently doesn’t much work for the people you believe are fully in charge. I’ll agree that a society that doesn’t encourage loyalty and commitiment to one another would fall apart rather quickly, but in matters of theheart and mind, people should have some level of sovereignty as long as they have respect for others. You aren’t displaying much of either with comments like that.
Ben in Memphis
Mike in MO… I second that. I’ve been married to my partner for over 3 years, together for 4, married in Civil Union in VT in 2005.
We occasionally have threeways or go out on our own to play, with no problems. We are secure in our relationship and understand that humans are sexual creatures.
Again, relationships are best defined by those in them, not those judging them.
Girl on the Go
#15, Flightoftheseabird You say “Straights start the dating process at 11, 12, 13, 14 whatever, but for most of us gays, we don’t start until 18, 19, 20, etc. So we have the body and hormones of a 20yo and the maturity of a 12yo.”
Okay, so with that theory then why aren’t the gays mature enough to understand commitment by age 30 or at least 40. Are they forever stunted to act like 12 year olds? GROW UP. When the community starts acting like adults maybe we will be treated like adults by the rest of society.
Michael Jackson has played that whole arrested adolescence excuse for years as to why he acts like a child. Well, he is now 50 and has been acting like Peter Pan for over 30 years. Last I knew childhood usually lasts a decade if you are lucky. It’s time to grow up.
ajax
Trenton, it’s a little unfair of you to write
“I do sympathize with champions of monogamy, and I won’t call your presumptions archaic, but it is terribly judgmental for you to assume that others are not capable of having bonds that aren’t based on exclusivity in all aspects of one’s life.”
A) I don’t need anyone’s sympathy (perhaps you mean “empathize”), and B) who said anything about exclusivity in all aspects of life?
I’m not an ascetic. I don’t lead a cloistered life. And neither does my partner. My calendar is pretty tightly booked through the first week of October – and the majority of it is purely social. I enjoy friendships with lots of different people – together with, and independently of my partner. It’s only the sexual aspect of our relationship that’s exclusive.
REBELComx
I have a question… All you people saying that you know couples who brought in thirds and ended up breaking up…
How many couples do you know that never did it and split up for other reasons?
Trenton
Ajax
Point taken on B. That was a bit over the top for me to suggest. But on A I did mean sympathize, because though I have a certain accord with your stance (because it works for you and others), I can’t say that I feel the same or can even understand how you feel, for I have never met someone with whom I would desire such a relationship…nor am I sure I would want such a relationship, personally.
In any case, I should have just left it at: “Don’t be judgmental of others who don’t want or need monogamy.”
And GotG continues to display a shallow understanding of what sex can mean to various people. And need I mention again that this concept of promiscuity being a gay syndrome is just ridiculous? If the straight majority are our social and moral parents as you seem to suggest, GotG, then they are pretty lousy examples. And perhaps this epidemic promiscuity is the result of being denied any acknowledgment or rights to settle and create a family in peace for so many decades.
Finally, it isn’t always an “adolescent” fuckfest for those people who don’t want to commit. As long as we are respectful of our partners long-term, I really see no problem. Granted, its impossible to be respectful if we are sleeping with someone different every week/night/hour…so moderation is key. You sound a little spurned, as though this topic struck a nerve. I’m sorry if that’s the case, but for your own sake stop viewing openness as a license to make life a constant orgy.
noahboy
Trenton says “And perhaps this epidemic promiscuity is the result of being denied any acknowledgment or rights to settle and create a family in peace for so many decades.”
Huh!??! I have friends who are in their 50s and have been together over 30 years and aren’t out whoring it up outside their relationship. I have been in a relationship for 8 and i’m so happy with my guy i would never think of going anywhere. STOP blaming others for our community’s mistakes. the 90s and millenium have seen so much positive visibility for gays and acceptance that it is hard for me to place blame on others for our actions. when are we going to stop placing blame and take responsibility for our own dysfunction?
michael
I have been in a relationship for 10 years and we recently married in San Fran. We have an open relationship sexually. We don’t do 3 ways as when I am with him I don’t want anyone else nor do I. But
we have fun on the side, mostly at the baths and occasionally with someone we just pick up. We are just two guys who really love sex
and each other. We still have sex 2 or 3 times a week with each other, and maybe a couple of times a month with others. I think it works for us because we are honest about why we do it. I am not looking for love nor is he. We are both over 40 now and have a lot of experience with love and life under our belt. I don’t think it works unless your honest about why and your mature enough to realize that emotional relationships are built upon years of getting to know each other, working and growing through your issues together. Falling in love is an illusion, a fun one, but its not real and once you realize that love is something that is built over time. I would say that most gays there are totally against open relationships and very judgemental are that way for 2 reasons, they are insecure and must control the person they are with and/or are trying to stay disconnected from their own desire by hating it in others, same reason all the preachers and politicians hate faggs, cause they are one themselves. Listen to some of the angry, self-righteous comments about this thread, they sound just like the preachers, politicians and like who hate gay people. Your not going to heal your own self loathing by trying to become like that which hates you, so stop being the Palin version of homosexuals, its pathetic.
marcus
I am Michael’s #29 husband and now I will put in my 2 cents. I design clinical research trails for a living and I have access to most data bases pertaining to clinical research once the results are published.
Research seems to show that couples who are not monogamous have stronger, healthier relationships. I think some of the opinions that have been expressed here are a good example of just how deeply religion, small minded thinking, and as they say in Alcoholics Anonymous, dry drunk thinking permeates our society. Most of what has been said here does sound like shit coming from the mouth of a Southern Baptist minister. The facts are if one partner runs off with someone else its because there was a problem(s) in the relationship to begin with. It takes more than a sex act to pull apart the bond of love between 2 mature individuals. False morality, and the guilt that usually accompanies it, will usually only control another person for so long but in reality it usually produces the exact result that it was
intended to keep at bay. I have discussed this topic with many therapists and this is the opinion I have gotten from all of them.
After all, how did all the moral shaming of the world work out for all of you? Seems like at the end of the day your all still gay now aren’t you? But I suppose you can take the fagg out of Sunday school, but you can’t take Sunday school out of the fagg.
If 2 people do not want to have sex outside their relationship then they will not have it, it is not necessary to shackle someone
that has no desire to do it. But if one partner does want to, all the contracts, vows written in blood and other methods of control will not stop it. Now go live your own lives and stop telling others how they should live theirs. That is trully pathetic.
Marcus
Marcus, I don’t have any religious affiliation and have lived throughout the world so what is my problem? I’m not small minded and I haven’t been brainwashed by religion yet I believe in monogamy. All these people who are in “relationships” but have opened them up have nothing more than single people except they probably split finances and if the same size have doubled their wardrobe. Being in a committed relationship is that you share ONE bond with ONE person.
Trenton
NoahBoy:
I was being slightly facetious. The implication that promiscuity is a huge, sweeping problem in the gay community (as opposed to the straight “community”) was made by others. I personally believe that it is human nature to be promiscuous to a point (and for a time), but the lack of stability within and without the gay community does not frequently foster such durability as you and your friends have experienced, and so some see no reason to exit that “sow the wild oats” phase of their lives. In any case, this issue of promiscuity is not a huge problem to me (nothing, as GotG would suggest, could reasonably deter others from allowing us marriage rights) as long as people are respectful of themselves and others and, above all, safe. And though I do aver that the lack of social acceptance can foster in some a cynicism toward commitment and one’s prospects for lasting love, one’s approach to love/sex/dating is still an individual matter (not a community affair). There may be external negative factors that serve as reasons for the “epidemic promiscuity” (see…exaggeration used for effect, there), but they do not excuse carelessness with the wellbeing and happiness of ourselves and others.
Bobster
sex, sex, sex! You wonder why we have such a difficult time gaining rights. If gays would spend as much time thinking about other topics (look at this strand)maybe we would be farther along with equal rights.
I have a question…it seems that advocates of open relationships talk about wanting sex out of their relationship because sex has changed in the realtionship usually for the worse. Why don’t we ever hear that my bf isn’t smart so I looked else where? my gf wasn’t funny anymore so i wanted a change? my partner and i couldn’t agree on politics? Does it always come down to sex?
michael
#31, I am so glad that we have you to do define what a committed relationship is, just as we have Republicans and the Religious Reich to tell us what marriage ought to be. Maybe we should elect you dictator so that you can tell us all how everything ought to be. You may not be religious, but your definitely as ego-centric as anyone is who defines the life choices of others. Have you ever tried “live and let live”? I thought not. Religion is not the problem anyway, its people with your sort of thinking that Join religions and use them to inflict their will and values on others that is the problem.
Also the term promiscuity is a judgement. Who gets to decide what that is? To some, anyone who fucks somebody without being married to them is “promiscuous”. To some you can be single and if you ever sleep with anyone without first having 3 dates beforehand you are considered “promiscuous “. It is funny that ultimately there is no room for anyone who is free from guilt and shame and just likes sex. I wonder why thats such a frightening concept to so many.
#33- We are referred to as “Homosexuals” we have been put into a specific group with a specific label because of sexuality.
Not because we like to cook with gas instead of electric, not because we prefer the mountains over the beach. But because
of sex period. All the problems in the world that people have with us is because of sex. And to those of you who think people do not like us because our community can appear highly sexual you need to think again. The little old lesbian couple who has been together for years living in their little cabin in Mendocino is just as hated as the guy who picks up a different guy every week in the bars in San Francisco. And furthermore, if straight women were more open about sex straight men would be fucking everything they could get thei hands on as well.Tthey are just forced to do it in hiding and on the sly, they are just as horny as gay men.
Yes, for some sex is used to validate their self worth, for some it is used as a drug to numb pain, for some it used as a weapon. But to assume that anyone that is “open” sexually suffers from some psycho-spiritual malady is ignorant and not supported by most secular psychiatrists and psychologists in western culture.
If you are uncomfortable having an open relationship, thats okay, but the need to demonize it in others to justify your position is black and white thinking and shows that you are actually insecure in your choice. For me, the more work I have done on myself, the more I have healed my own neurosis and dealt with my own demons the happier I have become, and with
that happiness the more sexual and more open minded about sex. Before this I was very closed down, insecure, and used a death hold on anyone I was with because I did not think anyone
wpuld love me otherwise. Now, I have someone who adores me,
thinks I am the greatest thing since sliced bread, and on occasion, I get the privilege of exploring sex and sensuality with another. Its really nice because I have learned that there are a lot of nice, tender men in our community. I seldom come across anyone who uses sex in a negative, harmful, derogatory way. But I guess like attracts like. So maybe that is why so many of you think the way you do.
boytroy
And we wonder why the religious right, the Republicans and other
oppressive institutions are running our country. Small minded,
uninformed, fearful and angry thinking and the need to define and control others seems to be alive and well in the gay community just as it is in others. I have always said our leaders our just representative of our mass consciousness. So we are just getting what we are and obviously there are many gays contributing to that as well.
mds
I am laughing my ass off at some of the queens comments on here.
Ajaxx you sound like a real, honest, mature person, not! The condescending, know it all manner in which you state how deep and profound your relationship is because of the way you and your partner have chosen to live shows a lot of ego and huge lack of humility, something that does not go hand in hand with being an “honest” person you so claim to be. Also your calling Darth angry and saying to him that obviously a nerve has been hit is manipulative and childish. Something a child would say in the school yard such as “take one to know one”, not an adult way of debating anything. And of course all research is bunk, you know the way, you know all the answers. Basically you sound like a control freak with a submissive partner. You would probably be shocked shitless if you really ever found out the truth. But I do like the post where it was said that a relationship is better defined by the 2 individuals in them than those who sit outside and judge. That seems brilliant and honest. But I will say that by keeping ones life and relationship under strict parameters one can avoid going through where fear really lives,
within themselves and delve deeply and figure out who they are.
So the ego remains safely intact, which actually covers the real self. Also, it has been my experience that most guys who are vehemently opposed to anything other than the typical, old fashioned way of doing things are not very attractive and pretty much know that they will be rejected anyway, sad reason to hold onto what you have because you think nobody else would want you.
Trenton
Bobster:
An open relationship should not be about compensating for what ne think lacks in one’s partner. That’s a recipe disaster, and anyone who feels that way should re-evaluate the relationship in general. An open relationship is about being able to appreciate sexual chemistry with others based on their individual excellence. Maybe they are especially smart, or funny, or they share your undying love for Barney Frank. If the chemistry is there, hooray. But it shouldn’t overshadow one’s appreciation for the whole of the person whom you call your partner.
In answer to your triad:
A) Anyone whois willing to say “My bf just isn’t that smart” needs to be smacked around anyways.
B) If your significant other has lost their sense of humor, that’s a sign of other problems, too, methinks.
C) Political debate is a major boner-killer…and if it erupts into a major fight, that’s also a sign of deeper problems. But a great excuse for make-up sex. So even that has a silver lining, yes?
mike
Trenton, great response but I have a feeling that you are challenging those who “need to be right and need to have all the answers wrapped up in a tight little package” and they are going to come out swinging.(see ajax #12)
I once heard it said that all religions, all philosophies were based in the truth when originally coined. But that once we mere humans get hold of them, and bend them to our relentless will the truth they contain becomes buried beneath the piles of crap we heap upon it. Jesus sort of alluded to this when he told the Pharisees that they made up rules and regulations that no man can follow ( I paraphrase but I know its in the gospels, I am a recovering Southern Baptist).
I have seen it time and time again and even found myself guilty of it, where people join religions, enter spiritual programs such as 12 step programs, take a seminar, go to therapy and come out beating everyone over the head with their new found truth.
Usually just a new way for them to continue their old sick behaviors of controlling the outside world in an attempt to alleviate the fears that lives within them. Just a new color of the same old bullshit.
At this stage of my life I have found that basically I have few if any answers to anything, and control over nothing or nobody.
There is no way in hell I could tell anyone that having an open relationship is going to be a recipe for disaster or that it is the way to Nirvana. Its not for me to know the path of anyone or judge it. I think that once we can accept this and make peace with these facts then our need to know is lessened and we can get down to the only worthwhile task I know of, and that is just living life as it comes, loving those things that come to us, and just being. Whatever we need to know for ourselves will just come, including how we should handle our relationships. But hey, thats my truth today, tomorrow, it might be something different!
Jake2005
Wow! I can’t believe the number of sluts out there. Very sad.
If so many of you feel that open relationships and threesomes are acceptable that you defend them so strongly why not ask your parents what they think. Next time you are at home with Mom and Dad ask them for their take on this topic and be honest and tell the rents that you are in an open relationship. If you are so proud of the life you lead then you shouldn’t have a problem opening up to mom and dad. if you don’t want to discuss it with them I would question why that might be. On some deep level you know it is wrong.
mike
· Jake2005 I cannot help but say this. You are a fucking idiot!
Since when is “parental approval” a gauge of what is right and wrong? Maybe on some deep level you know that being a faggot is wrong, frequenting faggot web-sites is wrong too. Do you know how many homeless youths there are because of they were expelled from there homes for being gay? Here in Vancouver it is estimated at 25 to 35 percent and this is an open minded liberal culture by most peoples standards. Please tell me that you are under 14 cause if you are not you are the biggest simpleton that I have yet to encounter. And take your “slut” judgements and shove them up your ass. What a God damn freak and piece shit you are.
Bobster
Geesh, Mike. So you can have an opinion, but other people can’t? Jake2005 has the right to say what he wants. I thought John McCain had a crazy temper. You make McCain look like little bo peep.
mike
Yeah, and I have the right to tell him to shove his opinion up his ass as well as well as to be angry about what the asshole says.
And you can take your opinion of my anger and shove it up your
ass too. I don’t have shame issues about my emotions as you obviously do.
marcus
June: Ward, the Beaver has something he would like to speak with us about.
Ward; Well yes dear, have him come into my den. (Ward financial section of the Mayfield times on table beside his favorite chair)
The Beaver; Hi Dad.
Ward; So Beaver, your mother tells me you have something you wish to discuss with us.
The Beaver; Yes Dad.
Ward; All right, go ahead
The Beaver; Well Dad, you know Whitey and I have been in a committed gay relationship since last semester.
June: Yes dear, and how is everything going between the two of you? The Beaver; Real Good. But remember when we went to the Scout camp out and Wonder Falls park last week.
Ward; Yes
The Beaver; Well we are sitting around the fire telling stories when all the sudden one of the guys ask we could all gang bang
whitey. (June gasps)
Ward: and?
The Beaver: Well Whitey said he was game if I was so we did it.
{Ward turns to June with a look of concern)
June; Beaver, how was that?
The Beaver; Great! I blew a nut twice and now we are thinking of
having an open relationship and I wanted to see what both of you thought about that.
Ward; Well Beaver, (suddenly Wally walks in and interrupts) Whats going on mom and dad, the big dope get expelled again?
June; Now Wally.
Wally; Just kidding mom.
Ward; The Beaver is telling us about how he and some of the guys ganged banged Whitey at the campout last week.
Wally; Golly gee Dad, its bad enough that I had to threaten to deck Eddie Haskell for making fun of how Beaver walks now.
Does the big goof have to be such a slut?
Ward; Beaver, I think your brother has a point.
June; I thought you and Whitey wanted to move to California
and get married one day?
Beaver; We still do but we were thinking about having an open
relationship and I wanna know what you think about it? {Ward feels his penis stiffening at hearing this news)
Ward; Your mother and I feel that committed relationships are between 2 people and slutting around is not a good thing.
June; Now Ward, don’t you remember that night at the Rutherfords after we all had to much to drink?
Ward; Yes dear, but we decided that our good names were more important than having you take it from behind from all the men
on the block.
June; Your right Ward. Beaver, you know we love you and we support whatever you and Whitey decide. But i think you need to think about this, relationships are hard enough without sucking every cock that you can wrap your mouth around.
Beaver; Okay mom and dad, thanks for helping me figure this out. I want Whitey and I to have a relationship just like you and Dad.
Ward; Now go on upstairs, and remember no sex before you finish your homework.
The Beaver; Okay Dad. Good night mom, Good night Dad.
Ward and June: Good night son.
Wally; What a big dope!
Ward and June; Wally, shut the fuck up!
Wally; Sorry mom, sorry dad.
THE END
J
boytroy
Thanks #43, I think you have made the point, very funny. So let me add my 2 cents. Bobster, I guess responding in anger to someone who calls people a derogatory name like slut, commences to preach about how immoral one like a Baptist minister is inappropriate? Or is that the best response you could come with because you were angry that someone called him on his stupidity? I tell you what is really inappropriate, sarcasm (which usually masks anger) by comparing someone to a person who has nothing to do with the conversation at hand such as your McCain comparison. Its shaming and manipulative and maybe you should get some therapy so that you can address people in a straight forward, intelligent manner as most adults do. And by the way, I would actually guess you to be more the personality type that would be n the McCain camp than the person you were lambasting.
toto94
Mike, I agree with Bobster. Take a chill pill. Jake didn’t say “Mike you are slut.” He was simply stating an opinion and he didn’t single you out. Sounds like you might be angry due to guilt. Maybe the comment hit a little too close to home. If you are slut which it sounds like you probably are then where it with pride. Don’t be ashamed of it.
Brian Miller
Gay couples are more likely to have threesomes and open relationships.
I saw nothing credible in the article to suggest that this is the case.
The author argued that this is a better approach (in his view) and talked about some of his clients who decide to sleep around and the related challenges. But there’s nothing statistically valid about the assertion of likelihood.
boytroy
Mike, I know he didn’t call you a slut directly, he called us all sluts
that differed with his values. I am glad you told him to stick it.
I went to a therapist that told me that anger can be a healthy sign of self esteem, so I don’t buy that guilt diagnosis. Personally, I find that gay people act like a bunch of pussies and if they stood up for themselves we might be further along. So let me add to your reply to Jake2005, I AM A SLUT AND PROUD OF IT! IF YOU DON”T LIKE IT
YOU CAN SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS! Just remember to remove that but plug you have stuck up there first.