We try to reserve our “crazy pastor posts” for the most crazy of the crazy, but this one seemed to be worth sharing.
Christian extremist John MacArthur is the pastor at the Grace Community Church in Los Angeles, a 3,500-seat megachurch popular with the evangelical crowd.
At a speaking engagement earlier this week, a gay Christian man asked 78-year-old MacArthur whether he would still get into Heaven given his sexual orientation.
MacArthur replied by telling the guy to stop being silly. He wasn’t really gay. Such a thing is impossible. Gay people don’t actually exist!
“No one is gay,” MacArthur said. “If you mean by that, that that’s some hardwiring, no one is gay.”
The pastor elaborated: “People commit adultery, they commit sins of homosexuality, they lie, they steal, they cheat. It’s like saying, ‘I keep robbing banks, but I’m a robber. I’m a bank robber. What am I gonna do? I’m a bank robber.’ That is not an excuse for what you do.”
God, MacArthur said, doesn’t “hardwire anybody in such a way that they are not responsible for certain behaviors.” Because, remember, God makes no mistakes.
Oh, but it didn’t stop there.
He continued:
Are there certain kind of impulses that lead people in that direction? Yes. But I think one of the really deadly aspects of this is to let people define themselves as gay. They are not gay any more than an adulterer is hardwired to be forced by his own nature to commit adultery. Those are all behavioral sins that are condemned in scripture.
Are you still following?
No?
That’s OK. MacAthur kept running his mouth anyway.
“We need to cancel [homosexuality] out of the sin list and welcome them into the kingdom of God, because you can’t do anything else?” he carried on. “But I think we do no service to people who are caught in the vicious sins of homosexuality by letting them define themselves by that sin.”
Watch the utter nonsense below. Or don’t.
https://youtu.be/xdHOvawrP90
ChuckF
We will never change a deranged mind like his. Our greatest strength is living. Men like him will die but there will always be queer people and living honestly today makes us good role models for future generations.
Josh447
Tunnel vision str8 brain strikes again. But then, he’s a “pastor” which means, he’s in denial, hiding something and untrustworthy.
Best advice: Disregard.
Mandrake
I just finished an excellent biography of Alfred Kinsey by James H. Jones. Kinsey was the famous sex researcher back in the 1940’s who studied gay people extensively as well as had homosexual experiences himself. He is renowned for the line of continuum for sexual behavior, with one end representing those that participated only in heterosexual behavior and the other end for gay. Everybody else fell somewhere in between.
But the intriguing thing he reported in 1948, and which relates to this pastor, is that the word homosexual should never be used as a noun, only an adjective, that we should never be defined by our sexual behavior or experiences regardless how predominant they are in our lives.
DCguy
Unless you’re being attacked based upon that adjective. Should a person be defined as a “Jew”? or as “Black”? People have been killed and oppressed based upon those adjectives.
ChrisK
Except Pastor Loony is adding his own “adjectives” like sinner to the mix. In other words, first the judgement. Then the pseudo intellectual BS.
Being gay is an attraction and is hard wired. Adultery is not. You either choose to be true to yourself or live a lie.
Mandrake
DCguy, perhaps one’s religious affiliation and one’s race are more definitive of who a person is than what he does sexually.
ChrisK
Wow. Playing both the race card now and now the whole you choose to be gay. You do realize how outdated your BS is. Even most Christian loons have abandoned it.
scotshot
Race and sexuality are hardwired, they can’t be changed.
Religion is a choice, when a sect becomes useless or gets in the way you can change sects or walk away entirely.
Brian
This pastor votes. His followers vote too. This is how we end up with a government run by bigots.
ChrisK
This is something I can see happening in the fly over states but LA where I live? Then again crazy is crazy no matter where you find it. This is no different then Jim Jones or Heavens Gate people. They too were in progressive cities. I tend to avoid all religious loons and it works great for me.
ProfessorMoriarty
@ChrisK: Crazy knows no ZIP Code.
RamblingManNJ
He says God doesn’t make mistakes. That is just ludicrous. People are born all the time with deformities and diseases ( I am not saying homosexuality is a deformity). The evangelicals will put their heads in the sand and refuse all logic that points to homosexuals being born that way, because to do otherwise would force them to realize their irrational antipathy towards homosexuals is unjust and heaven knows that kicking gays around is their favorite Sunday morning pew packer and crowd pleaser.
Herman75
That’s how they role. When their ilk gets caught sexting the high school wrester or meeting him at the motel 6, it’s just the devil. When they svck c0ck on the edge of town at nightfall, they just need their wife to mind her figure and appearance, and maybe some drug/alcohol counseling
dommyluc
…says the Christian Closet Case who couldn’t get a good BJ to save his freaking life. Although I think for 20 bucks some meth addict might give him a handjob by the dumpster behind the 7/11.
Mandrake
Chris K, Well first of all, “sinner” is not an adjective, neither is “adultery.” I definitely think you lack comprehension of my original comment, and you certainly didn’t understand my second.
Xzamilloh
I’ll thank you to keep your woo woo sky daddy gobbledygook out of my life, please and thank you, nutjob pastor
Richard 55
The pastor has one good point: homosexuality should be a quality, not an identity.
Don’t dismiss what he’s saying. He’s basically saying that you are more than a manufactured label known as “a gay”.
He’s liberating us, he really is.
However, he is wrong to make the comparison to adultery. He fails to distinguish between acts with victims and acts without victims.
scotshot
So being a homosexual is a victimless crime in your mind? You walked through the wrong door pal.
Being homosexual is a part of our core selves. It’s not an added on quality (choice).