From The Editor: I heard something interesting while in Philadelphia this weekend. A gay man mentioned that he and many of his friends – all of whom support Hillary Clinton – plan on voting for John McCain if Barack Obama gets the Democratic nomination. Like so many others, these voters don’t think Obama has the experience necessary to run the country. So, readers, this has me wondering: are there any other men or women out there who plan to back McCain’s campaign if Clinton loses the nomination? And, if so, why?
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I will absolutely NOT vote for Obama, but I won’t vote for McCain, either. I’ll vote Socialist. Obama is inexperienced and a big, fake liar.
Since Obama and Clinton have nearly identical stances on a wide range of issues, it doesn’t make sense to me to defect to McCain if Clinton loses the nomination. I voted for Clinton and donated money to her campaign; I was really excited for her to win. However, I will vote Obama in November.
My boyfriend is a different story. A huge admirer of Clinton as well, he will vote for McCain (even though the senator not exactly a friend of the gays). My boyfriend doesnt think Obama has enough experience and was really bothered by — what he perceived as — Obama’s patronizing, smug tone (“You’re likable enough, Hillary.”)
I don’t agree, but that’s how he feels.
I agree with Sam’s BF. Also Hillary can run again in 4 years against McCain.
Any Clinton supporter that votes for McCain is, frankly, an idiot.
A presidency lasts for 4-8 years people…but a Supreme Court appointment is for a lifetime. If McCain becomes President expect the Supreme Court to gain 2-3 new conservative judges who will sit on the bench their entire lives and deny gays (and other marginalized groups) equal rights.
Stop whining like bitter children that Clinton isn’t going to be the Democrat candidate. She lost. Boo-hoo. Deal with it. There’s more at stake here.
Any Woman or gay who votes for McCain is an idiot and doesn’t deserve the vote – because they hate themselves and are voting against their own self-interest.
Yeah, way to be a sore losers.
And is McCain any less patronizing? Playing on his reformer cred but filling his campaign payroll with lobbyists. Yeah, he’s a maverick.
I am not voting for Obama either. Although Clinton and Obama have similar views on many of the issues, that does not mean he is qualified to run the country. His record shows that he does not deliver the change that his campaign is built on. He is simply just an empty promise that unfortunately inspires people for no real reason other than rhetoric….it is sad this country is so easily swayed and it is hard to believe he will get the nomination over Hillary.
The stakes are just to high to let someone with no experience run the country.
Sure, if I didn’t like myself or my community, I would vote for McCain. However, since I have respect for myself and respect for my community, I will wholeheartedly support Senator Obama over John McCain any day. Hillary would have been great and Obama will also be great. A vote for McCain is a vote against your own interest. Your vote will further the demise of our interest in the Supreme Court, the military, and our federal interest. You have to let your disappointment subside or risk increasing the attacks on our community.
I am the other way, I would NEVER vote McCain but if it isn’t Obama and Hillary gets the nominee I question whetehr I cna support her.
fed up fag
if you gaggle of self-hating queers want to have 8 more years of the same pile of manure, the blood is on your hands. Peoples lives litteraly hang in the balance. What on earth makes you think that Hillary would want her supporters to defect to McCain. She’s never said anything of the sort. She has said the differences between her and obama pale in compairison to either of them and McCain. She said she’d campaign her heart out for him if that is how it ends up. And if you believe that secrectly she believes his loss in 08 opens a door for her in 2012 after she said all that, then I wouldnt consider voting for yet another liar. I am tired of being led by the nose. I want tranparancy and truth and a new progressive democatic party.
Oh, and I can’t give two shits about his color ( which I suspect is the real issue here) I dont care about all the angry black people Hillary trotted out in Rovian fashion. I am not scared by people who are angry at the way things are. I am that angry, too. I see it and believe me it will resonate with a lot of people.
I understand that primary season is for falling in love, but we fall in line for the general. As an obama supporter from the beginning, I’d vote for Hillary twice before I spit on that sack of bones.
I agree, Fed Up. Hopefully, I can change my BF’s mind before Election Day. I am working on it…
I’m confused about the “experience” issue. First, the Constitution only requires three things for a president: 1) natural born citizen of the U.S., 2) at least 35 years of age; 3) lived in the country at least 14 years.
Second, Hillary has been in the Senate for 8 years. Obama has been in the Senate for 4 years. What’s the magical number that qualifies someone as “experienced”? Sure, Hillary was “in” the White House for 8 years, but not holding an elected position. Obama was at least elected to state office before becoming a senator. If it’s just an issue of being “in” the White House, does that make Laura Bush qualified to be president?
Gay men voting for McCain is sad, pathetic, and driven out of fear and hate. Both self-loathing and racist hate. It reminds me of anti-gay black church ministers who said “if the kkk were riding against homosexuals, I would ride with them”. Really guys? Please think twice before you make a decision based on anything but the politics of the candidate. Inexperience is one thing, blatant fear, hate-mongering, homophobia, and war is quite another.
I am SO embarrassed to be from Pennsylvania. Those queens are out of their damn minds!
Im voting for McCain if Obama gets the nomination and I am neither ignorant nor bitter. I happen to prefer McCain’s stance on the housing crisis. Being from Texas, I also prefer his stance on immigration. I’m voting on policy and experience here. I believe Hillary has the best war solution and between Obama and McCain I would rather McCain handle the situation in the Middle East. McCain also isn’t out to get the gays. He has bigger fish to fry. One must also remember he has only been conservative as of late. He almost joined the Democratic party at one time. Side note, if the Democrats are dumb enough to nominate Obama over Hillary, someone who can not win the general election, then once again we deserve another Republican. Black and young voters are not enough to win the whole shebang. Change? Not hardly.
Gays voting Republican reflects a lack of consciousness, as Karl Marx put it.
If the democrats lose the 2008 presidential election, I am abandoning the party and switching to the lemonade party.
I don’t think I will vote for McCain, unless of course he picks Gov Chirst of Florida as his running mate (he is queerer than the day is long)…
But i have to agree – I am very afraid of electing someone into the white house who has never held any national elected position. I mean would any hire him to run their small business with so small of experiance. No Way
Oh and I am not a sore loser – I didn’t vote for Obama in the primary and I am not going to vote for him in the general – I shouldn’t just vote for him because he is a democrat. I am not a Party zealot…
It is very disheartening to read that Gays would vote for 4 more years of neocon control of the Federal government … no matter which Democratic candidate wins the nomination.
Frankly it is sad to see many Americans, not just my gay brothers and sisters, vote against their own self interests.
What is at stake is balance on the SCOTUS (Lex is right)… for at least 3 decades, and with that comes a gradual erosion and roll back of Constitutional Rights and Freedoms – and let’s not forget the financial devastation of the polices of the last 8 years and the pandering to Big Oil and Corporations that continues to undermine and erode the American Middle Class and the strength of the Dollar and our standing in the world.
The fact of the matter is that our government works best when no single party has complete control of all 3 branches of our Federal government. We must restore Check|Balance in DC and we must put a Democrat in the White House to begin to undo the damage that W’s regime has done to our Republic.
There is a lot at stake.
Yeah, vote for McCain, you fucking idiots. Hill and Bill shit all over us gays for 8 years with DADT and DOMA, and now you want to vote for McCain and the Rethugs so they can piss all over us, too? And have fun justifying McCain’s Supreme Court appointments, the next 4000 dead in Iraq in McCain’s Delusional Disneyland 10,000 year war, the total destruction of the US economy because of McCain’s willingness to preserve the disastrous economic policies of this insane and incompetent Bush administration, the end of most of your constitutional rights, and all else that Gramps and his neocon Rethug enablers have planned. So go ahead, vote for McCain the mother-fucker just because Hillary was too arrogant and egotistical to run an honest and realistic campaign instead of realizing that it wasn’t still 1992 and the country had changed. Just make sure you have some dough stashed away so you can move to Europe, because you ain’t gonna wanna live here, you dickheads.
Obama has more legislative experience than Hillary does. Case in point, the gas tax holiday. Didn’t work in Illinois, not going to work for the nation. The inexperience thing is a bunch of bull. John McCain is so anti-gay it’s ridiculous.
Well, there you have it! The community is split. I will vote for McCain as well. Unfortunately, there are many important issues on the table – not just gay issues. I think older voters will go for McCain because he has stood up against many of the bad policies by the Republican party. We know where he stands – Obama supporters HOPE for change but would most likely be disappointed – 4 years in the Senate with No results. That sounds like change I don’t want.
yeah mccain has been in politics longer, but so what? his policy on gays is the least of my worries. the two biggest issues for me is the war in iraq and economy, both of which he plans on extending bush’s fuck ups. so really, is “experience” really worth four, possibly eight, more years of bush?
These guys who say they will vote for Mccain over Obama are just rascists.
Pure and simple.
You can harp on experience or lack thereof and you can repeat the lies that Mccain is some sort of independant thinker and blah blah blah.
You simply can’t stand the idea of a man of color in the white house.
Just man up and admit it.
All it takes is 2 conservative justices on the supreme court and R V. Wade is overturned. I will vote for the democratic nominee in the general election.
McCain has admited that he does not understand the economy. That right there should be a huge red flag. His comments on continuing the war for 100 years in Iraq and his running mainly on a military/homeland security experience platform scares the hell out of me.
I will do everything in my power to keep McCain from getting the presidency. If you are voting for McCain, then you are casting a vote to continue the war in Iraq and the blood of those soldiers is on your hands when you leave the voting booth. Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face, people.
Ian J UK
So let me get this right because BO beats HRC to lead the dem’s you will vote for McCain!
Your screwed up, no wonder the rest of the world thinks your all bunch of nutters, I’ve never heard of anything so stupid.
I vote labour, I know to you that’s one step short of a commie, but to think that I would vote Tory because my party picked a different leader to my choice is insane.
This has nothing to do with Obama being African American. It has to do with having VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE and NO RECORD. Obama has an even shorter rÃ©sumÃ© than George W. (who I was opposed to back in 2000 for inexperience reasons also).
You’d think America would have learned their lesson about hiring people unqualified for the job. But then Democrats have a history of nomination people who cannot win.
I probably would have gladly voted for Obama in 8 years after he’d spent a couple of terms in the Senate. But I think it is extremely arrogant to run for the highest office with so little experience.
You’re naive if you don’t think Hillary is the most experienced and most prepared candidate ever to have run for president in our entire nation’s history. First of all, she’s had a very successful Senate career, but 8 years with Bill in the White House has prepared her better than any other candidate ever.
Let’s not compare Hillary to Laura Bush. That woman can barely speak coherently, for heaven’s sake. And she certainly can’t have learned anything from George W. Hillary and Bill were much more of a team.
Even without Bill by her side in the White House (if he was somehow out of the picture now), Hillary would be the most prepared candidate, but with Bill by her side, she would probably make the best president in our nation’s history. He was certainly one of the best ever.
I’m tired of the Obama camp saying they’re not playing the race card, but calling anyone who doesn’t support Obama a racist. You can’t have it both ways.
In Defense of Inexperience
By Stump Connolly
Fri, Aug 10 2007…
In the latest New Republic, Theodore Sorensen, John Fitzgerald Kennedyâ€™s speechwriter and confidante for 11 years, notes that the same charge of inexperience that is being leveled at Obama was once aimed at Kennedy. Like Obama, Kennedy, 40, was a first term Senator who entered the presidential race after an electrifying convention speech in 1956. His primary opponents in 1960 â€“ Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey and Adlai Stevenson â€“ all dismissed him as neither a powerhouse in Congress nor an experienced old foreign policy hand. At one campaign stop, Kennedy took up the challenge directly.
â€œExperience,â€ he said, â€œis like taillights on a boat which illuminate where we have been when we should be focusing on where we should be going.â€
Indeed, if you look back at politics over the last 50 years, America has elected three â€œexperiencedâ€ presidents â€“ Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and George Bush I â€“ and five â€œinexperiencedâ€ ones â€“ John F. Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. How have we fared under each?
Johnson and Nixon can be credited with the worst foreign policy disaster of the 20th century. For all his experience, Johnson led America into the quagmire of Vietnam and Nixon not only extended the fiasco into neighboring countries but, fighting perceived enemies at home, broke into the Democratic party headquarters and got himself run out of office on a rail.
After a transitional two years under Gerald Ford, America chose the fresh face of Georgia Gov. Jimmy Carter to bring reform to Washington â€“ and paid dearly for his inexperience when Iran seized American hostages in Tehran. When Carterâ€™s time was up, another inexperienced candidate named Ronald Reagan took charge. Reagan came into office almost pugnaciously â€œnaÃ¯ve.â€ But this time, standing outside the nexus of power, he articulated a fresh approach to dealing with the Soviet Union â€“ how much fresher can you get than calling it an Evil Empire? — that brought a game-changing new perspective to the standoff of The Cold War.
The most successful of our experienced presidents was Reaganâ€™s successor, President George H.W. Bush. He scored a triumphant victory over Saddam Hussein in Kuwait, shunned the idea of pushing forward into Iraq, and was rewarded by the American people with a resounding defeat at the polls after a single term.
Inexperience would not make a comeback on the political scene until 1992, when Bill Clinton brought it back in spades. The Clinton administration will be the most studied in American history because of all the contradictions inherent in how it worked out. But few candidates so singularly focused on domestic issues during a campaign â€“ â€œItâ€™s the economy, stupid!â€ — have achieved so much in the foreign policy arena.
The last of the â€œinexperiencedâ€ presidents we have elected is our current President George W. Bush, who may also go down in history as our worst. The irony, of course, is that his most egregious foreign policy mistakes were not the result of his inexperience, but his reliance on his Vice President Dick Cheney and other old Washington hands whose experience in foreign affairs he acceded to.
I agree with Michael Duquette (comment no. 15) and Tom (comment no. 21)
I do not believe that Obama has the gravitas to be President. Obama reminds me of Jimmy Carter who promised us that he would never lie to us as President and gave us 4 years of hell.
Obama promises us HOPE….in a bad economy and a world that is a mess you can’t eat hope, it won’t pay the bills, fix the economy or the world mess. Obama gets bored easily and gets testy when any reporter questions him…..remind you of someone else..that promised to be a compassionate conservative and everyone said he would be ok even though he didn’t have experience either……why do I feel deja vue all over again with Obama? ironically, those comments about 4 or 8 years more of Bush, remind me of thin skinned, inexperienced Obama in the White House….then again, Michelle is the one who really degrades him and has the balls between the two of them..so maybe it will be 8 years of the Clintons all over again…but at least Hillary has the guts and ability to be President…neither of the Obamas do.
If you’re tired you should take a nap.
Until after the election.
Senator Obama is well-equipped and experienced enough to deal with the issues in Washington. I am from the state of Illinois. He did an exceptional job as a state legislature. He has been a tireless Senator for us. Also, we tend to forget that he worked for years for the everyday working person after graduating with honors from Harvard Law in guess what, “Constitutional Law.” He is more than equipped to pick excellent judges, deal with the economy, and the war. If Senator Clinton had won this nomination, I would have been disappointed, but not thrown my vote to Senator McCain. She would have gladly received my vote. I do believe some of these “reasons” are not valid and stem in anger and disappointment. And to the individual who honestly believe that only the black vote and young vote is getting him the nomination, than you obviously have been disillusioned by these polls. He has a broad base coalition.
Obama is such a phony. No experience. I remember the Jimmy Carter disaster when we were also looking for change. Carter’s goofs set up the next 12 years for Reagan/Bush. No way will I vote for Obama. For the first time in my Presidential voting life, I’ll probably choose to make no presidential choice or write in Hillary Clinton.
Everyone has the right to vote for the candidate of their choice. However, people should be honest about it. Many of the posts who say they will vote for McCain appear to be closet Republicans. That is, when a true test of their Democratic beliefs is challenged, they revert to their core beliefs. Itâ€™s unfortunate that as a marginalized and targeted group, more gays do not support the progressive candidate who advocates on behalf of the rights of marginalized groups.
But we should not be surprised when some members of one minority group vehemently oppose a member from a different minority aspiring to the highest seat of power in the world. Look at the overwhelming Latin support for Clinton, itâ€™s the same phenomenon taking place.
The whole “experience” argument is facade. JFK was 43 when he was elected president and he had only been in the US Senate for 7 years. No one can deny that despite his youth and inexperience, he was an exceptional president. Besides, what has experience given us? Nixon was a career politician, and look what he did.
If you are gay and are progressive it is impossible to justify voting for McCain. On the other hand, if you support war in the middle east, you have no interest in who is appointed as judges, you want to further erode environmental protection and dismantle civil rights laws, and you are only interested in yourself, then it doesn’t matter that you supported Clinton, you are simply a Republican in sheep’s clothing. Just be honest about it.
I think we in the gay community should be vigilant in making sure our progressive organizations are not run and operated by some of these same spineless, deluded sheep.
@Ian in the UK
Welcome to the idiocy of US personality-driven presidential politics. These dumb fags who will vote Republican because their beloved diva lost are but the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how much US voters care more about trivial personal bullshit over policy.
Obama will appoint judges who will protect LGBT rights and has promised to sign a law to ban employment discrimination against LGBT people. McCain, not so much, but hey, Obama said something mean to Hillary once, so I’ll vote for the Republican. You deserve what you get you dumb fags.
The argument used against Bill Clinton was inexperience. Yet, he was adored by many and didn’t do a bad job running this country. In fact, Clinton ran a campaign similar to Obama. I don’t understand the fear behind people choosing McCain based on such flawed reasoning.
@ No. 28. Bill Clinton was hardly inexperienced. He’d served 12 years as Arkansas governor already. He had a tremendous amount of EXECUTIVE experience. Also he ended up being one of the best president’s in our nation’s history. “Clinton presided over the longest period of peace-time economic expansion in American history, which included a balanced budget and a federal surplus… Clinton left office with an approval rating at 65%, the highest end of office rating of any President since World War II.”
@ No. 31. Wow! Obama was an entire legislature unto himself?
@ No. 32. AMEN! I agree wholeheartedly.
@ No. 33. The experience thing is not a facade. I probably wouldn’t have voted for JFK if I’d been alive back then, either. And not because he was a Catholic. Anyone who votes for Obama is a spineless, deluded sheep.
I will vote for the Democrat who wins. That said, I worry that Obama would be able to will in a general election, and the reason is that Clinton has won all of the states that Democrats need to win to be elected to the office of President.
Granted, Obama was running against a Democrat when he lost California, New York, Florida and most of the other large states, but even against a WARMONGERING OLD WHITE MAN, I wonder if he can win enough of those states to get elected – and we desperately need to defeat the warmongering old white man.
Obama cannot win in the Fall.
The NY Times wrote a great article about the old preverse Clinton Democrates and the new, younger Democrates of tomorrow represented by Obama. The Clinton Machine was so entrenched in the system of lies, evasions, fear, folly and schizophrenia of the republicans, that they represented the death of Democratic ideals. I wish I could say I hope that you get what you deserve, except that I would get it to. Clinton was really not that much different than Bush or McCain. Maybe we can salvage the Republic.
If Obama is the nominee, we have to vote for him. The alternative is war in the middle east for the entier McCain administration, and more Federal and Supreme Court Justices like Roberts and Scalia. WE (and the rest of the world) simply can’t afford that.
On the otherhand, a McCain/Clinton ticket (the old fart probably would die in a year or two especially with Hilary nagging at him) might be worth thinking about.
Guess what, guys? Gay Republicans exist who support lower taxes, less government, and the freedom to run our own lives. John McCain is the best GOP presidential candidate since Ronald Reagan. I would rather have him as commander in chief than Obama; he was a Navy admiral, while Obama never served. Also agree with McCain’s efforts at immigration reform. Immigration is a good thing/we don’t need another Berlin wall at our own border. McCain co-sponsored bills with Kennedy and other Democrats. He will encourage more co-operation and less political confrontation and get more things done that most people agree with.
John Smith, what do you think about war with Iran? And $8.00 / gallon gasoline?
Typical White Person
I wouldn’t vote for Obama anymore than I would vote for Oprah Winfrey. Nothing to do with race and everything to do with lack of qualifications.
I think once the dust has settled people will see that Ron Paul is the right choice to make.
Let’s see Obama won red state “caucus” states and the only ‘blue state” that he won was his own and oh yeah, VT….so yeah, he will be a sure fire winner in the November election.
Hillary beat in red states and blue states and the states that provide more then enough electoral college votes to win the Presidency……Obama not so much.
I find it a joke that Obama is compared to JFK..let’s see he spent 14 years in Congress (not 7 years) and had a lifetime of experience exposed to world leaders and was in WWII as a PT boat commander…
btw, if those that hate Nixon..well he gave us one of the most progressive set of legislation in the last 40 years and those are the words of Ralph Nader…Nixon created the EPA, OSHA, the Clean Air and Clean Water Act, Earth Day, Affirmative Action legislation, cancer research, proposed welfare reform and national health insurance, gave us detente, opened up China….was pro choice, for the Equal Rights Amendment to name a few…by today’s standards he would be an ultra liberal leftist…
I will be more then happy to vote for McCain…who has the smarts to deal with foreign policy, has a decent effort program for immigration reform, energy and environmental policy and will have the smarts to put the right people in place to help him with the economy.
As far as the Supreme Court goes….it would mean that members of the Supreme Court would have to die or resign…and there is no indication that any of them plan on resigning….and the eldest Justice’s, whom is Justice Stevens, own brother is his 90s
and still practices law.
Just ask former President George Herbert Walker Bush if there is any guarantee that a SCOTUS nominee (ala David Souter) ends up voting the way you want them to…..they don’t.
I look to the best person to be the leader of the free world…Obama, who was a part time state Senator (not a leader in the State Senate), a part time law instructor, ran for the US Senate when he had no opposition (Alan Keyes is no opposition) and in his own book, the Audacity of Hope, complained on his first day that he was bored with the Senate….hence, move on to the next positon…
Either McCain or Clinton would be a far better President….then again after 4 years of Obama, we will end up with another 40 years of Republicans in the White House……so Republicans will end up being very happy indeed.
We are all forgetting WE ARE Democrats and if we do not vote for the Democratic nominee for President, we are actually voting against our own best self interests.
You all go to pride parades and scream for equal rights but then when the time would come to vote for them, you’d stay home.
BR:”Anyone who votes for Obama is a spineless, deluded sheep.”
Totally not necessary. Please make your point without cutting others down.
I will vote for Obama in the fall. I have a spine. I’m not deluded and I sure as hell am not a sheep. I find it interesting that demographically speaking the more educated voters have chosen Obama over Clinton. As far as Bill Clinton being one of our best presidents, I strongly disagree. Much of the economic turmoil we are experiencing now is due to policies that were passed in his administration. The godawful Bush administration just sped up the process of our downward turn.
fed up fag
Bill Clinton was not inexperienced. He ran my state for nearly two decades. Obama has more legislative experience than Hill and I am not sure what being a marginally crooked lawyer in Arkansas gives you as far as experience goes And as for McCain, there us a big difference between working as sucessfully in a comittee setting, and being an executive Which is why, to me, experience is less of an issue None of them have executive experiance
So it comes down to this for me Who has demonstrated the judgement needed. McCain backed a guy who acused his wife of having an illegitimate black baby. Likes him so much that he wants to run for a third Bush term. Hillary is politics as usual. The Clintons are better than Bushes. More palateable, but just as corrupt. Ask any Arkansan. And although I am certain Hillary is more astute than Laura, Barb, or Nancy, the only thing I can remember that they gave her to do she failed at. Just like John McCain graduating third from the bottom in naval academy, I want smart and accomplished and swift boat proof.
Obama has told me the truth this whole time. They can’t find anything on him so they try to tie him to other peoples deeds and actions. All of it not sticking at all. It slid off him because he told the truth, stood by principles and had a discussion about it. No running. No hiding. If it was rediculous to even ask those questions, he said so and then answered them anyway. And u don’t think he’s arogant. Arogant is dumbing down your rhetoric for you stupid uneducated masses. And, looky who leads among those folks! My president needs to be better than me. I don’t care if he comes accross that way. I’m not having a beer with him.
I will never vote for Obama, and I’ve voted for every Democrat since Walter Mondale. Obama is a HUGE joke. There’s absolutely no substance there.
The president does NOT run the country. The neocons have tried their best to change this. Let’s hope they failed. The president runs the EXECUTIVE branch. And at the end of the day, the executive branch is a bureaucracy that is stronger than any one man, or woman.
None of the current candidates have experience running a bureaucracy. You can have thirty years in the Senate, and you still won’t have enough experience. Senator and President are two very different things. Obama, McCain, and Clinton have exactly the same amount of experience on this count: zilch.
If experience was so all important you should have voted for Richardson, or one of the other governors.
I’m a lifelong Democrat who will probably vite for a Republican presidential nominee for the first time ever. I never cared for either Hillary or Obama. I didn’t want her drama and I have a color problem with him – too green. McCain represents marginal change and i’ll take that at this point.
Dem House & Senate seat pick-ups will keep him in check. We’ll manage for 4 years with him, giving the Democratic party time to field a serious candidate to pick him off in 2012.
Ladies & gentlemen: Russ Feingold.
@ No. 46. College students are not necessarily more educated. College GRADUATES are voting for Hillary.
@ No. 47. Obama has lied, you just weren’t smart enough to notice.
@ No. 48. AMEN! Obama = zero substance
hells kitchen guy
Jesse: Kennedy is the one who led us into the quagmire of Vietnam. Johnson followed, and Nixon began to get us out. Nixon also opened China, where Kennedy had us on the brink of nuclear war after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. He was OK on civil rights, but not as good as Johnson.
In short … he was inexperienced.
The more I read the more convinced I am that the “average” American is politically unsophisticated and down right stupid. Go ahead, cut off your nose to spite your face. McCain is a weasel of the highest order, pandering to the religious right and the neo-cons and saying whatever he can to get elected. Then there is the serious question of his mental stability. Do we really want this man’s finger on the button? He’s the MSM’s faired haired boy so he’s often given a free pass that none of the other candidates have been given on major gaffes. If you want 4 more years of Bush, vote McCain. He’ll appoint Supreme Court Justices right out of the Alito/Scalia/Roberts mold. His stand on the housing crises is essentially, you’re on your own. Watch him resort to using gay marriage, DADT and the gay agenda as a wedge issues ala Rove.
And then there’s the idiot that states [Obama] “never held any national elected office.” The only national elected office I’m aware of is the Presidency. What other politician is elected nationally? Almost all Presidential candidates are Governors or Senators. Hell, GW Bush was a failure at everything he ever touched, not to mention a military deserter, coward, drug abusing dry drunk and Americans put him in office twice. Okay, he probably stole the 2000 election, but 2004?
So, go ahead and vote McCain. I’m an old fag who owns his own home free and clear, doesn’t have to worry about DOMA, DADT, I know no one fighting in Iraq and will be dead long before global warming affects me. I have a partner of 25 years and we don’t have to worry about job discrimination or a lot of other problems that will be ignored or exacerbated by McCain and his enablers. I’ll vote for Obama, not because I like him more (I don’t like him and don’t fully trust him), but I find McCain absolutely despicable and I don’t like him at all or trust him by any stretch of my imagination. So stay home or vote for McCain my petulant fellow gays. Believe me, it’ll be you and “Joe six pack” that will pay bill for your stupidity, racism or short sightedness.
I was so disappointed when McCain voted against HR 2082. As far as I am concerned, a vote for McCain is a vote for torture – that is not something I want on my conscience.
By Ron Devlin
Reading, PA – U.S. Sen. Christopher Dodd had been extolling Barack Obamaâ€™s political virtues for nearly an hour when someone in the audience at Reading Area Community College asked the question thatâ€™s on many votersâ€™ minds: Is Obama experienced enough to be president?
Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat and former presidential hopeful, replied with a quip.
â€œIf experience was the most important issue, (U.S. Sen.) Joe Biden and I would still be in the race,â€ said Dodd, 63. Biden is a Delaware Democrat.
The 250 people gathered Sunday night in RACCâ€™s Miller Center for the Arts chuckled at Doddâ€™s sense of political irony.
Experience is important, Dodd agreed, but itâ€™s not the only issue that counts.
Abraham Lincoln, he noted, had little experience in Washington before he became president of a nation on the verge of civil war.
â€œCharacter is more important than experience,â€ Dodd said. â€œThatâ€™s why Iâ€™m supporting Barack Obama.â€
Mayor Tom McMahon, who is chairman of Obamaâ€™s Berks County campaign committee, introduced Dodd to the receptive audience.
Dodd, who is chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, said he was not against Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton but supports Obama because he can unite a divided America.
Dodd compared Obama, a one-term Illinois senator, to Martin Luther King Jr., Robert F. Kennedy and President John F. Kennedy.
â€œI believe strongly in Barack Obamaâ€™s ability to reach beyond political divisions and offer a sense of hope that all Americans want,â€ Dodd said. â€œHis ability to reach out and bring people together is whatâ€™s at stake.â€
This rabid loyalty toward Clinton is unfounded? What has she ever done for you, really? Is she any less phony than Obama? They are politicians. Experience can be the WRONG kind of experience. I almost hope McCain wins and makes your lives a living hell.
I would really love it if one, just one, Obama supporter could have an intelligent, researched response as to why we should vote for Obama over McCain. Yet, all I see are references to JFK and blatant accusations of racism. What makes you so sure that we’re not black? Obama’s camp keeps throwing out the racism card like it’s going out of style and you know what? It is, so stop playing it.
For the record, and this may get some jeers, but I don’t care, JFK was a horrible president. He couldn’t even get the Civil Rights Act passed, that happened during LBJ’s presidency. Must I also bring up Bay of Pigs? His death was a tragedy, and on a superficial note, he was hot as hell, but let’s call a spade a spade here. He was not a great president.
People also keep bringing up DADT, if you were the slightest bit educated you would realize that DADT was a huge leap forward for the LGBT community. Hillary realizes its been flawed and has been abused and she wants to end it, but we would not even remotely be as advanced (I do use that term loosely) as we are today without them. Hillary has always been a fan and supporter of the gay community and I have yet to find any evidence that Obama is not just using us for political gain.
Hillary is the strongest candidate between the three of them and with her gone, McCain is the strongest. I am not going to vote for the Democratic candidate just because. So if you really wanted a Democrat in the White House you would have voted for the only capable one in the primaries. Guess what Obama, Hope doesn’t float after all. Geez a Sandra Bullock reference, I just got even gayer.
Wake up, people! McCain refuses to disassociate himself from John Hagee, whose support and endorsement he actively sought. Hagee has blamed Hurricane Katrina on gays.
McCain also jokes about bombing Iran, and repeatedly confuses “Shiite” and “Sunni.” This is experience?
Aside from my issues with McCain, I am of course concerned with Supreme Court nominees and the overall direction of the country under another Republican President who doesn’t know squat about either the economy (which he admits) or foreign policy (since he is one of the biggest warmongers in the Senate).
Face it, Bush had a blank check for the first 6 years in the form of a GOP Congress and Senate. What did we get with Republican control? A crappy economy, TWO wars (the mission and goals for which are constantly changing), a mushrooming federal deficit that won’t be paid off until we are all dead, fraud and abuse, Cheney and his henchmen, and widespread dissatisfaction with Shrub’s approval rating around 30 percent.
For those of you who want more of the same, don’t DARE complain here in the next four years when you find abortion being illegal, no federal job protection for gays, and us still in Iraq.
Those of us who want Obama and who will follow Hillary’s endorsement of him won’t want to hear it and will be too busy working for progress and change since you contributed to 4 more years of the same.
@ No. 56. I hope McCain wins too, then Hillary can run again and beat him in 2012. 😛
@ No. 57. VERY WELL SAID!!!
I will NOT vote for McCain. As stated previously, I’ll vote for the Socialist candidate, but I look forward to Hillary becoming president in 2012.
Bitch Republic, and just how experienced is the Socialist candidate? Hmm, the neo-conservative vs the socialist–what a tough choice since they are so similar. Your logic looks like Swiss cheese. Bitter much? I hate to tell you but it is even less likely that HRC will have a chance 4 years from now when she is considered a failed candidate a la Gore or Edwards.
I think it is fascinating that these people who trust HRC’s experience and judgement so much drop her like a hot potato should she endorse and go to work for Obama. Pathetic.
Hillary Clinton will never be president of the United States of America.
KB, have you ever heard of what is called “a no confidence vote”? Obviously not. It’s a political science term. Yes, I have a degree in Political Science.
A no confidence vote is when you don’t vote for any major candidate and you vote for a candidate with zero chance of winning just to show your disapproval of all of the major party candidates. It doesn’t matter what the Socialist candidates experience or record is, he/she has zero chance of winning.
being gay does not exempt one from being: a) racist or b) stupid or c) petty or d) all of the above
some of that talk is the adult equivalent of a temper tantrum, ab… so let them hold their breath till they’re blue in the face… it doesn’t change the fact that obama will most likely be our nominee
i for one feel pretty good about it
and p.s. – she won’t win in 2012 either, if that’s the plan
@ 1 > 60
The sound you hear is many people arguing over two remarkably poor und unworthy candidates.
The Dems ran Hillary and a slate of Anyone but Hillarys. Obama rose to the top. Good for him but bad for the party and country.
Solidy our Congressional majorities in 2008 & 2010 and field a serious candidate in 2012. We blew this one because we were drawn to nepotism (Hillary) and celebrity (Obama).
We can do 4 years of McCain standing on our heads and a firm Dem Senate majority will protect the courts from extremists.
Obama won’t win, ever. HRC has a good shot in 2012 after 12 years of Bush/McCain.
Rainy at 20:
Actually, the gas tax did work in Illinois, and Sen. Obama supported it.
Rather, that should read: “the gas tax holiday.”
We have to keep in mind, it seems that the inquiry here was just to give the bimbos who would run in another Nazi in preferance to an inspired, briliant young man, a chance to spin thier wheels. Well, we see that happening. in spades.
So far, despite what anyone has claimed about Obama being a phony they have yet to demonstrate any of the kind of dishonesty on
his part. As far as experience goes, there is not a whole lot to be said for that. The experience that Obama has demonstrated an honorable, clearcut liberal voting record. He has stood up against the forces of ignorance and right wing corruption straight through.
Anyone who wants to make personal comparisons by praising the records of dimwitzxs like reagan and drag national heros like JFK through the mud, are only saying things about themselves.
Very simply, in electing McCain, few people will argue that you are simply continuing the Bush legacy. He has already distorted the Constitution and the nature of our goverment so seriously that it is in great jeapardy.
“the torture memos deliberately disregard, even nullify the balance of powers doctrine that has defined the united states since it’s inception”(Greenburg&Dratel) Harold Koh Dean of Yale Law school says “The notion that the President of the United States has the costitutional; power to permit torture is like saying that he has the constitutional power to commit genocide”.
There are two ways to govern, as Naomi Klein,
author of Schock Doctrine says “with consent or with fear”.
Clearly Obama offers repeatedly that even we gay people can have things as we want them.
Bush and McCain (Clinton for that matter) your “strong leders ” do everything through fear and the breaking of laws.
Take your choice the Democracy which Obama offers or the Dictatorship that McCain and that ilk give you in the guise of leadership. Do you want to be known as torturers(which the world regards us as ) or bearers of freedom?
Gays voting for McCain are like Jews voting for Hitler. What are you people thinking?
@ 70 A long standing rule in DC (my home town) is that the first person who makes a Hitler / Nazi analogy in any debate automatically loses.
Scare tactics are shameless. Debate the merits.
More light please, less heat.
fed up fag
What lie was I too stupid to pick up on? There have been a couple of “he said what??” moments, bittergate, disavowing his grandmother, etc. But that’s opinion. I happen to agree with his assesment of the reason rural, blue collar voters are hard to reach. Fuck, I’m bitter as a white collar gay in the south. I feel like he has tried to stay above the fray and try as I might, I can’t come up with a dishonest remark on Obamas part. So help my poor ignorant ass.
In DC, anybody simply loses by default: Too much similarity to Hitler, Sukarno , Franko.
A number of expers have drawn up 14 points of simoilarity between Hitler, Sukaroetc and Bush.
B.R., you’re wrong. I also have a BA and MA in Political Science from UCLA. A no-confidence vote (or vote of no confidence) is a legislative vote to oust an executive (e.g.a mayor, director of an organization). What you are describing is a protest vote.
Vote for whom you wish. Your logic and explanations are laughable.Funny how you avoid the topic of following what will be Hillary’s directive to vote for whom she will endorse (i.e. Obama). I mean, c’mon, doesn’t she have the BEST judgement? (Her $20 million debt not withstanding)…
And don’t whine when Homeland Security and the neocons want to round up everyone who voted socialist! Haha
I will definitely vote for McCain when/if Barack gets the nom. I can’t even stand to hear his voice when he makes a speach!! GO HILLARY!
I’m going to vote for a Democrat, regardless if its Hillary or Barack. In terms of gay rights, they stand equal and I”m happy with that. I wouldn’t vote for McCain because he is trying to kiss religious booty. When I support a candidate, I look at what they will get done for the gay community first, then how they will handle other issues second. I’m gay so I want to make sure my rights aren’t affected.
QUESTION: I have a question for everyone, particularly for those who would vote for McCain over Obama. Would you be open to the idea if both Clinton and Obama went for the white house as vice-president and president respectively or vice versa?
Get ready to hear at least 4 years of “speaches”.
How come all of the spelling and grammar errors are from the Hillary supporters?
The U.S. in the course of building this Empire, since WW2 has forgotten that the needs or respect of anyone else in the rest of the world matter. The unfettered arogance brutality and ignorance will be our undoing.
The republicans have undone the constitutionmal protections in such a way that the purpose of those laws is no longer valid.
Even Tommy Franks said that so much power had been handed to the military/president that.
just one event can unravel the whole thing and we will have a dictatorship.
It happened that way in Rome, Octavius sent a soldier to the senate with the message that they had better make him the Emperor or they would be put to the sword. There is nothing to stop that., but men who have ideals beyond the scurvy pranks of the politics of the day.
You can have your “strong leader” if you want.
I have a question as well:
Will Obama supporters vote for Hillary or McCain if she gets the extra vote to go “nuclear” and get the Florida and Michigan delegates seated (and voting for her)?
Obama’s campaign keeps talking about Don’t Ask Don’t Tell but they have Sam Nunn on several short lists of VP. Sam nunn was the bigot who stopped Bill clinton from lifting the ban on gays in the military through executive order and began building a congressional coalition to pass a ful;l legislative ban on all LGBT service in the military.
Also even though both candidates have thoroughly vetted everyone running as delegates for them at the Denver convention, Obama has Rev Meeks as one of his delegates. If any candidate had someone who led an campaign to pass anti-semetic or blatantly racist legislation there would be holy hell to pay if they allowed that bigot to be one of their delegates.
Obama claims unity is in his DNA but homophobia is in his campaign. Dressing it up with feel good rhetoric is simply putting lipstick on a pig.
> The stakes are just to high to let someone
> with no experience run the country.
Let me get this straight. An idiot Republican has ruined our country, so now we have to elect another Republican to fix it?
That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
Obama is left wing, he’s pro-gay, his heart is in the right place. Unlike McCain, he’s not going to attack Iran. That’s good enough for me.
I love a pig with lipstick on it. especially if it has heart shaped sunglasses and a feather boa.
Haha. With only two real choices in the US presidency, I don’t see how this country is a true democracy by an stretch of the imagination. And the US wants to spread democracy to all the world.
Time to move to a country with a parliament, you tools. Like Canada.
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The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, glorious and free!
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I would not support an Obama/Clinton ticket either. A Clinton/Obama ticket yes, but even then I would prefer General Wesley Clark.
I would lose all respect for Obama if he took Clinton as his vp.
i can’t believe some of you dumb asses would even consider voting for McCain over Obama. Do all the rest of the homosexual community a favor and keep your crap at home on election day. We DO NOT need 4 more years of the same bigotry and bias against us that we have endured. Damn people open your fucking eyes!!!
Obama could do a lot better than Clinton for VP. If the Hillary people are so amped up on experience, then Richardson, Dodd, and Biden are all much more qualified.
I’m mystified by those who ding Obama for never having served. She didn’t either!
Her wild-eyed facial expressions are scaring me.
@ ALL- Just by briefly dipping my toe into this “discourse” further butressed my longheld belief that people in DC who do this (argue and debate) for a living (like me) maybe ARE just a little bit smarter and in tune than the rest.
Enough of the Amatuers Hour.
Good luck players. God save the Republic.
Obviously, I am speaking here as a Republican. I favour low taxes, an aggressive foreign policy, hundreds of billions upon hundreds of billions in dollars cut from government spending, and strict constructionist judges (I turned into a supporter upon going to law school). I oppose big labour, agricultural welfare, government spending, and bureaucracy, as well as “I give up…we can’t win.” in the foreign policy arena.
I have been a Clinton supporter, mostly because she has the right stand on the war in Iraq. A phased re-deployment without ending the war suddenly. I will, however, vote for McCain if Obama wins the nomination. Obama has the wrong view on the courts, on the war, on the economy, on spending, on taxes. I’d rather someone who’s not got the education with decent advisors, like McCain, over someone with good education and bad ideas. That being said, better anybody than Obama. I’ll cast a protest vote against both of them, Obama and McCain, if McCain picks a religious right looney. I’ll vote for Alan Keyes as he has no chance of winning, and is still a safer bet in the White House than Obama.
I am a Clinton supporter, and I would most certainly consider voting for McCain. Not only because I don’t think Barack Obama is ready to be President, but I think John McCain moderate alignment in the grand scheme of things puts his views closer to those of Clinton.
OBAMA’s REAL RECORD ON LGBT RIGHTS:
1. Co-Sponsored Legislation to BAN discrimination based on gender identity & expression inthe Illinois Senate
2. Will repeal ALL of DOMA (unlike Clinton)
3. Talks about gay community in stump speech, and in unlikely places
I don’t buy that he actually cares about us. He’s a typical politician. His mention of us in stump speeches to black churches are not that surprising. He was going to win the black vote anyways, just as Hillary Clinton wins with women, and a gay candidate would win with gays. Identity politics is strong. By mentioning us in speeches to black religious nuts, he gives nothing up. No, when the chips are actually down, Obama campaigns with Donnie McClurkin and James Meeks. Two viciously anti-gay people…and one of them is even a delegate for him at the convention. Then you’ve got Jeremiah Wright. 20 years, and this man never realised the character of the lunatics like Wright and Meeks with which he is associated? There is nothing that makes me more nervous than the fact that Obama showed a singular lack of judgement with regards to his religious friends. Oh well, maybe we will be lucky and McCain will do what no President has done since 1808 and win all the electoral votes.
Also voting as are most of my buddies for senator Mccain if Hussein Obama gets the coronation. In my opinion senator Mccain is not a real conservative but a maverick who’s just dealing with the base of his party right now. Compared to
other republicans he’s never had an antigay agenda. Obama is an enigma to me and I have a feeling that he’s going to be doing more the bidding of the black supremacist-conservatives than that of the general american public. Mccain won’t. I also fear for the general standing and security of this nation on Obama’s hands. And I’m a younger voter so to all the insult throwing Hussein obamist supporters, I hardly fit in the stereotypes that you like to dishout.
McCain will pick our arch-enemy Liberman as his VP. He will also nuke Iran. When you turn coat queers contribute to his election, just throw your legs up and say “bring it on”. You deserve the rape.
That’s all you HUSSEIN lovers do insult and call people who are not in your boat racist.
Won’t matter at the end because if HUSSEIN OBAMA gets the nod fom the super delegates he’s gonna be asswipe come the general elections and once again the Democratic party will be self-defeated by their poor choice of candidate.
I WILL NEVER, NEVER, NEVER! did I mention NEVER vote for Obama! I just dont think we know enough about him. He does not have the experience, and on top of that, I dont trust the man. I mean come on anyone who would stay with a pastor that they dont agree with for more than 20 years? Rev. Wright said it best this is just politics, had Obama not been running for president he would have still attended this church and agreed with everything that was said, heck he even went as far as to excuse Rev Wrights comments. But stated that he could not disown him, however once the fire got to hot he did just that. I will not be voting for McCain either, just based on the fact that it is another Bush presidency, but I will however vote for a third party candidate, and pray that either a third party gets in somehow or that McCain gets in so that Hillary can run again in 4 years! Obama claims he is new politics but his true colors seem to come out more and more! Thats another thing with Clinton there are no suprises all of her laundry has been out in the public eye for more than a decade there is nothing new to air, with Obama something new pops up every couple of weeks, and if you think that the worst things have already come to light just wait til around Oct with the Republican machine they will dig up something worse about the man if they havent already found it.
I can’t help but agree with all of you.
DanGOP says that Alan Keyes will be a safer bet in the white house than Obama (#89). Dan I don’t know what they are teaching at that law school you want everyone to know about, but whatever it is, it has obviously made you mind-numbingly retarded.
Also when you start practicing law, you may want to take out a few extra policies for the legal malpractice insurance…you are going to need it.
Dear Bitch Republic:
I’ll never buy your stupid fucking shirts. Not because of your political beliefs, but because they’re stupid fucking shirts.
See… THAT’S racist!
I like your shirts. I am too old to wear one because of flabby pecs, but they are funny.
These people who are afraid of Obama’s middle name need to be put away in a home.
It’s really funny reading all of the responses…there’s more anger and vitriol coming from Queerty readers than there is on the campaign trail.
Just a few thoughts:
Obama will lose in the November general election. Period. The McCain camp is already sitting on all sorts of information to throw at Barack once he’s the official nominee. Hillary Clinton has already been vetted, thanks to her years in the White House, and is pretty much shielded from the typical GOP attacks that McCain is sure to use. Plus the fact, Obama has no appeal among the working class – Clinton’s strength – and will lose all but the most die-hard blue states because of it.
A sizable portion of Mr. Obama’s campaign staff in the South was comprised of fundamentalist African-American men and women, some of whom professed to be ex-gays and all of whom are radically homophobic. In addition, Mr. Obama has never reached out to the gay press – something that Hillary Clinton did often. While Obama provides lip service in stump speeches (how very Bush of him,) Clinton actually works with the GLBT community.
Like many others, I just don’t trust Obama. It’s not anything that he’s done or said, just a feeling that I have. The problem with that is that there are a lot of people out there that feel the same way, and most people tend to vote with their hearts and not their minds.
It’s gonna be another four years of Republican rule…Obama will lose, and I guess we’ll all just have to get over that, as well.
Obama has never been to over 57 states! (That’s what he said, not me):
OOPS! I meant to say “Obama has been to over 57 states.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
What’s worse? Misspeaking about going to 57 states, or REPEATEDLY telling the story about arriving in Bosnia under sniper fire numerous times when it never happened, never happened elsewhere that she confused situations with, started off each time with “I remember…,” and then attributes it to a lack of sleep?
What sort of ethics and judgement allow someone to sign a pledge to not seat Michigan and Florida’s delegations, then campaign vigorously for them only because she won (as the only name on the Michigan ballot).
It is reasons such as this that she has the highest unfavorable ratings of any of the major candidates.
This woman will say or do anything to get elected (such as Obama is not a Muslim, as far as *I* know”), and I’m thrilled she is not going to be the nominee.
@ Bitch Republic: It’s called sleep deprivation. Enjoy the cheap shots, do you?
Obama has been accused of being a radical Christian, a radical Muslim, and a Marxist. I doubt he can be all three, especially since being a Christian would make him a Muslim apostate, which means he’s supposed to be killed.
Obama and Hillary have very similar political views, if you all haven’t noticed. A quick check of Political Compass shows just where the candidates are: on the authoritarian right.
However, as you can see, McCain is more to the right and authoritarian than either.
Anyone who wanted to vote for Hillary, but will vote for McCain over Obama SUPPOSEDLY BASED ON THE ISSUES is simply a fool.
I swear, Americans are idiots.
i have a question for all these ‘mos for mccain: if you love mccain’s policies so much, why on earth would you ever vote for clinton???
it just doesn’t make any sense. if you are for low taxes, the iraq war, and strict constructivist judges like you say…. then why would you ever consider voting for hill?
your support for mccain just doesn’t seem to rest on substance at all. on the issues, mccain is MILES further from hillary than obama is. assuming your support for hillary was based on the substance of your policies, i just don’t see the logic.
unless it all comes down to experience. but really? you honestly would support someone whose policies you abhor… because they are more experienced?
and if you DON’T abhor mccain’s policies, why did you support hillary’s policies? they are diametrically opposed.
this is why so many lefties think the ‘mos for mccain are just being racist here. i mean, it would make total sense if you were repub all along and favored mccain over, say, huckabee. that i understand…. what i don’t get is how you can support mccain and hillary at the same time, in contrast to obama, if this is really about the substance of their views.
please, enlighten me. i’m completely baffled here.
Right on, Jason! These clowns wpuld probably have voted for Jesse Helms if he ran since he had decade uopn decade of “experience.”
Enlightenment will never come, Jason.
You’ll sooner be raptured to heaven.
I will totally vote for JC if Obama is nominated. In fact a few of my san fran friends agree with me and will make the switch to vote republican.
Dodd “supports Obama because he can unite a divided America”.
From what I can tell, Obama cannot unite a divided Democratic Party. Clearly he cannot unite gay Democrats.
my point, timothy, is that this is really about obama not being able to unify gay repubs and gay dems together. my suspicion is that the ‘mos for mccain are really repubs who were willing for whatever reason to cross the aisle to vote for hill but won’t do so for obama. (this question, naturally, is why not.) surely, these ‘mos are not really dems all along…..
I’m voting for McCain. I’d rather vote for a person with experience in war-mongering, pandering, and opposing my most basic rights than for a youngin’ like Obama. Darn whippersnapper.
“I swear, Americans are idiots.”
Especially the gay male ones, apparently. Maybe when teenagers say “gay” as a synonym for “lame” they are onto something.
No more idiotic than most of humanity, Charles.
It’s called misanthropy.
As much as I’ve tried to see the best in people, it just hasn’t worked out.
A visit to http://www.despair.com should set you strai–oh, wait. nvr mind
Charles and Reversion: You have to remember that Americans voted for bush in 2004: I’m sure most of this crew. In Kuwait lately, people have been thinking that thier country is fucked up because of democracy.
Many of them want a king like some of the other emirates in the area. It was that way in Germany not that long ago;just a fact. W
The fact is that “the price of liberty is vigalence.”. People hear are too lazy or too stupid to know how to govern themselves.
Obama offers that: self governance, the same thing that the Founders did.
They may ned to find out what that’s like first.
They are the kind of kids who do well in jail. We have more poeple in jail than any other country/per capita in the world.
Might tell you something!
That the American justice system goes to far in imprisoning 1% of its population, with more Americans in jail, in absolute terms, than in China?
BTW: I’m a leftish libertarian (-3.25, -6.21 according to Political Compass).
Obama has more experience as an elected official than Clinton does. Experience is a lazy, sad excuse and it’s scary to hear people discussing this way. Obama is what our country needs.
To those snide bittle little queens who aren’t getting their way with Hillary — good riddance. Your votes wont be necessary anyway as MOST of you live in blue states anyway which will go to Obama regardless. As for the rest, your defection will be counteracted with hundreds of new voters being driven to the polls BECAUSE of Obama.
This is not a good sign for Obama if the this many gays are not voting for him. This should be a solid voting block for him, but it is clearly NOT. Go Hillary tomorrow in West Virginia and the rest of the primaries – you are only shot of winning the White House back!
As far a jail goes in America, there seems to be no limit, the more people in jail, the more people hired to maintain them. I would think that our absolute # exceeds Chinas. It may have changed since they privatized and and took up Friedmans economic strategies.Right now they spend a billion dollars on American stock as we go further into debt It’s doubful that any extant political compase can account for current world realities except relative to certain presumed variables.
I’m happy being thought of as a democratic socialist.
That’s just here and now: most peope live in the illusion that realities other than those which are real surround them so that their relative perception of themselves is off point..
given other situations and/or perception of them I would be left libertarian.
“Any Woman or gay who votes for McCain is an idiot and doesnâ€™t deserve the vote ”
I am appalled. I don’t care whose name you replace McCain with, it’s my vote and don’t you dare tell me I don’t deserve it. Not that I’ll vote for McCain if Clinton doesn’t get the nomination. Shame on you. Every citizens vote is their own do with what they want. Maybe I’ll vote for R2-D2. He’s got a better personality that all of them anyway…
Going back a few: Well said, Jason!
“idiots”, “lazy or too stupid”, misanthropes.
How enlightening of you Hussein lovers, please go on I’m sure middle America would love to keep on hearing what yo really think of them, you superior
elighten beings you. All the name calling in the world won’t get you near your Hussein Obama nirvana orgasm.
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i find it really mystifying that all the hillary supporters claim that their campaign is based on substance, while obama’s is based on lofty ideals and rhetoric.
it’s the hillary heads who are the ones making this about personality and identity and not about the issues. if you really cared about substance, then you would easily vote for obama, since he and hillary are in agreement re: 95% of their policy. 95%!
if you really cared about the policies that hillary supports, then you must vote obama, since there is very little difference between them.
you claim to be about substance and judgment and experience, but when it comes down to the wire, you are letting your little feelings get in the way of making a rational choice. sheesh.
mccain will choose two more justices like alito, and then we will all be fucked. no more roe v wade. no hope for gay rights. more war in the middle east. an idiotic economic platform. a furthering downward spiral in the economy. no real attention paid to global warming.
if you believe in hillary, vote obama. period.
@CHURCHILL-Y: “Hussein lover”? You best be joking.
I never said I was for Obama. I just said that given the extreme similarity between Hillary and Obama’s positions, then they should vote for Obama over McCain (based on policy positions alone). But it’s already too late for Hillary.
The way voters can fawn over a politician-Hillary, McCain, or Obama-is just sickening. The voters don’t know the politician’s true self, and yet they scream and cheer for them (like, “SHE’S OUR GIRL!!!”) and expect miracles when in office. The politician one supports can do no wrong, and if s/he does, it means the voter made a mistake, and the voters don’t make mistakes, do they?
Maybe you should reassess the meaning behind the Democratic Superdelegates and the Electoral College.
All those gays who say they will vote for McSlain are just another sad example of people voting AGAINST their own self-interest! A vote for McSlain is vote for more RIGHT-WING nut-job judges, more illegal occupations of soverign nations, more tax-cuts for the wealthy, more pollution of our environment…Yeah, if you are crazy loon, McSlain’s your man! Hillary would NEVER vote for McSlain…follow her lead!!!
Bottom Line is this.
The Obama camp does not use the RACE card, or no where as much as The Clinton camp has. Bill, Hillary, Terry, Harold and Mark, Ed all have and that’s the truth on T.V and in print.
Maybe the Obama supporters on here all see what is true. Like some of you guys for Hillary there are “Political Scholars” Obama probably will not win because of the Clinton supporters will not support him. And you know what that’s Politics. Truth be told Hillary knows the game of â€œPANDERINGâ€ and she does it well. Also Bill Clinton was not the best president that America has had.
But the truth of the matter with a lot of you is that it is race and some of you are scared to say it. You feel that a minority could never run the country. Behind a screen you can say what you feel we all don’t know each other.
But I will say this as sad as it is. When McCain wins and put those conservative judges on the court and Gay Marriage and civil unions are washed away. And probaly being gay can become a crime if some states have their way (mainly in the south) and you getting ass beat like no tomorrow will be ignored by police and any law enforcement, Will not be accepted in the military and if theyâ€™re already there Heaven help them will probably be discharged and not as being honorable. Because McCain is already making deals with the religious right and since some of you think that all of this â€œfire and brimstoneâ€ to gays is coming from â€œThe Black Churchâ€ I wonder how you feel once your own â€œwhiteâ€ starts to spew venom. I guess you can deal with that better. FOLKS GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK.
Then you can say well at least my PRIDE stood firm over a CHANCE of seeing something that could have been much different. The fact of the matter is some of you are not racist. You just feel that you’re SUPERIOR. As they would say. I’m not prejudice we’re cool. You just stand behind me, not in front of me, or beside me. Because I’m just better. Yeah right.
All that vote for McCain your PRIDE & PREJUDICE will only hurt and because you made that choice you deserve it. The only problem about that is the rest of the LGBT Community will suffer as well.
SAD but too true!
All ya’ll slo ‘mo’s trying to justify a McCain vote need some fleet or something!! Even if you are the most conservative, whitest, richest, closeted, male privileged queer in the room, no one can deny the foolishness that another 4 years would bring. And please spare me the “he’s nothing like bush” histrionics.
committed to a McCain-free America,
CHURCHILL-Y “Hussein lover”. Yes, we are enlightened beings. We’re not ignorant fools like you. The “experience” excuse does not fly. The only reason people like you are voting for McCain is that you are all FUCKING RACISTS.
Looking at the comments, some people have conflicts with their logic.
Conflict 1: Obama can’t win in November because he can’t beat Hillary in some needed “blue” states. This doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. The primary campaign and general campaign are two separate games. Just because you lose a state to one candidate doesn’t mean you’ll lose it to a different candidate. Also, Clinton was supposed to be the inevitable candidate but he’s beating her — and her vaunted political machine! That proves his campaign knows how to win.
Conflict 2: McCain isn’t really that conservative, so it’ll be ok if he wins in November. Yeah, he’s been tagged as a “mavarick”; that doesn’t mean he won’t rule conservatively or not appoint conservative judges. You’re willing to take a chance on someone who may appoint overly conservative judges but not willing to take a chance on a guy you know will NOT appoint conservative judges?
“There is nothing so easy to learn as experience and nothing so hard to apply.” — Josh Billings
I’m voting for someone that I believe would support:
Health care for everyone in America
Ending a stupid war before a 100 years passes
Helping the poor
Raising taxes on the rich
Gay rights in every place others enjoy them
Gay rights for marriage
Defending the precarious environment
Raising mandated CAFE standards for cars
Paying teachers more than hair stylists
Funding schools as we end tax cuts for oil companies
I would never vote for someone who:
-calls his spouse a cunt
-voted to support waterboarding torture
-doesn’t understand that condoms can help stop the spread of AIDS
(yes, McCain actually was asked the question, “Do you believe condoms help stop the spread of AIDS?” to which he basically answered, ‘I’ll have to speak to my advisors about that one’ and said, ” you’ve stumped me”. Unbelievable. -And this was in 2007 -not 1987.
That leaves me confidently supporting either Hillary or Obama. Each have virtues, each have vices, neither of whom I consider nearly as terrifying as John McCain.
Admist all the venom, misogyny and hatred coming from the so called enlightened elite, the black militants and pundits, directed at the women and blue collar american worker Hillary will rise like the phoenix.
MOUNTAIN MAMA, she’s your girl. She will fight for you and she won’t give up, so don’t you give up on her. **********WEST VIRGINIA FOR HILLARY*********
courtesy of John Norris
um….Admist all the venom, misogyny and hatred coming from the so called enlightened elite, the black militants and pundits, directed at the women and blue collar american worker Hillary will rise like the phoenix. Says CHURCHILL-Y
CHILD PLEASE SHE will die like a VULTURE and by the way Meeks is NOT a superdelegate. I just found that out.
So move along with that BULLSHIT and tell the blue collar american WHITE worker. They’re are not the only ones that are Blue Collar.
I’m for John McCain. In 1996 McCain voted AGAINST the bigoted and exclusionary ENDA that left out transgendered. Clinton betrayed transgenders by voting for it.
John McCain had the guts to vote the right way on this bill. No ENDA without transgenders. McCain for President.
All this “gays who vote for McCain are self-loathing” stuff is really juvenile. I’m gay. I’ve never voted for a Republican. I’m also straight out of law school and, though making great money, in severe debt. Obama will raise taxes on a fifth-year attorney by $34,000. (Tax profs have crunched the numbers over at abovethelaw.com.)
What’s more important to me–being able to keep some of my well-deserved money or getting some liberal justices on the Supreme Court? It’s a toss up, admittedly, but throw in the fact that Obama sat in the pews for 20 years and listened to the blatant racism of Rev. Wright… and you have my first ever vote for a Republican.
The Democratic Party will get exactly what it deserves for letting moveon.org take over the party. Obama can’t beat a moderate like McCain. And maybe in 2012 the lunatics on the far left will stay home during the primaries rather than screwing everything up.
I love Pickles.
Paul: I don’t know what these “tax experts are telling you; but those are pretty lame as statistics; those are strange , impossible extrapolations(first rule for lawyers don’t get suckered) You should know that by now taxes are determined by how much money you make, not how many years you are out of law school. I know people who start out making $100, 000/yr. Right now people are in likelihood paying far more for illegal wars etc. than you will ever pay under Obama. Even if you were paying 1/5 of your income for a sound government with a future, count yourself lucky
Once you do go to law school , take a course or two in constitutional law, if we’re still around. find out how much legality there is in the present government!
If you want a job as an attorney they don’t want ignorant people.
I call bullshit on Paul. You are not a lawyer and certainly not a Democrat.
In fact, I’d wager that *none* of these ‘mos for McCain are Dems. I can *promise* you, McCain won’t be getting many Dems to vote for him, certainly not Dems who voted for Hill in the primary. Primary voters are some of the strongest party supporters out there. I just don’t believe–not for one minute–than any of the McCain posters here actually voted in a Democratic primary or caucus.
Prove me wrong.
Ditto Pickles: Some of these girls want to keep encouraging terrorists by
-Killing and torturing everyone in the Mideast
-Increasing the National debt which Bush has pushed to $10 Trillion; causing the dollar to fail to the point where the Saudis have to ask for payment in Euros which WILL CAUSE OUR STOCK MARKET TO CRASH irretrevably.
-Moving every job possible to cheap foreign labor. Let China buy most American Companies.
-Assure the comlete destruction of any semblance of Constitutional Law (nobody seems to know what that is) Lucky for McCain.
What do they want ? Go Figure.
I am very apprehensive about Barak Obama. However if he wins the Democratic Party nomination, I will vote for him.
That is what Hillary Clinton has recommended and I trust her judgement.
Just you wait until John McCain starts talking about who he intends to appoint to the Supreme Court.
You knee-jerk McCain whiners will be running so fast in the other direction with your skirts between your legs, with Obama signs in hand, proclaiming that you were always intending to vote for him.
The next president will be naming at least two seats on the Court, seats that happen to be held by the two most liberal of the bunch. Oh yeah, let’s give that opportunity to somebody ideologically compatible with the last guy.
NOTHING would make me vote for either Clinton or McCain. Obama is the Democratic nominee, and my choice, should Hillary and her DLC thugs try to deny Obama the nomination, there will be little left of Denver, and nothing left of the Democratic Party.
Any queer considering a McCain vote, just look at the photos of McCain at Liberty commencement, or with the Concerned Women of America, or with other bat sh*t crazy pastors….then reconsider voting at all. There are too many straights who want to deny our Rights, we needn’t do it to one another or to ourselves.
Sign me another gay for McCain!
No way in hell I could vote for obama and his smug attitude!
I really hate when people say if you won’t vote for obama you are racist. Does that mean I am supposed to support someone I think is not competent to hold the job for some affirmative action sort of reason?
I think to say that someone who won’t vote for obama is racist is a racist comment in itself.
Lets drop the racism and charges thereof and admit the emporer has no clothes!
I’m not saying you’re a racist. I’m just saying you’re an idiot.
You’re willing to sell out your beliefs because you think a candidate is “smug”? Good lord.
Any GLBT person who would even seriously consider voting for McCain at this point, no matter how mind-blowingly filthy rich he/she might be (but especially if he/she is not), has to have some serious self-loathing issues. And rightly so, as far as I’m concerned: I would certainly loathe any GLBT who would vote for McCain. As for the “Hillary in 2012” crowd: good luck with that. After the US starts bombing Iran, our country is pretty much over and done with. There won’t be any more elections, because there won’t be an America to be president of.
Some of these comments are beyond pathetic. How is Obama any more “smug” than Hillary or McCain anyway? Or do you really mean “uppity”?
Hamas zeal of approval Hussein Obama has a very vociferous gang of thugs who would like nothing more than to intimidate peole into thinking and voting the way they like.
How will all these gays react when Hussein gets in the White House and starts appointing people similar of the likes of;
Leah doughtry- rabid homophobe
rev. Willie Wilson –
Donnie Mcclurkin- so calle ex-gay bigot
mary mary- homophobe chimps
donna brazile-rumored closet case.
to governmental and judicial positions?
Hussein has demonstrated time and time again his poor judgement by aligning himself with these people. I know how self loathing black gays like Mr c would react, they are more than happy to remain in the closet so long as people who look like them are in power.
But I wonder how will the elite react?
Will these so called enlighten humans be content with running back to the closet?
I and many others are not willing to gamble our lives and future on the better judgement or lack thereof of these people.
Ms Churchill I am far from “the closet” and me and my family is fine with my lifestyle choices.
Girl look don’t vote for Obama. And why you keep mentioning these Blacks that are homophobic. I believe with your STUPID ASS. You must live in Kentucky. Show me many whites in your statehouse that are not HOMOPHOBIC.
Like I said it’s not about substance it’s about RACE. SORRY BITCH just admit it. I really don’t care. I want Hillary to complete this primary till the end.
AND THEN HILLARY EITHER JOIN THE TICKET, OR EXIT STAGE LEFT.
A kid working at the local hardware store just asked if I thought we’d have an election in November. That no one in the store did.
You McCainites may just get your way without even going to the poles! Hasta la Vista baby!
@CHURCHILL-Y: You’re sounding like Faux News.
Hussein, Hussein, Hussein.
Give it a break.
As a Muslim apostate, Obama is supposed to be killed.
As much as I dislike the idea of voting for a Republican, I’d sooner vote for McCain than Obama. I’ve never heard Obama say anything of substance – it’s all just feel-good generalities designed to manipulate the masses. I since absolutely no sincerity in this guy.
I’m all for HILLARY. If she gets the VP spot I’d be more likely to vote Obama/Clinton. But otherwise, sorry – just can’t. Might not vote at all.
ok y’all – I am curious how many of those gay men would vote for McCain if he chooses Huckabie as VP (currently top of his list)?
Barack HUSSEIN Obama. That’s his name.
Unlike you I don’t need to insult to tell the truth.
Reversion- the return of individuals or organs to a more primitive condition or type.
How appropriately named. Sorry hun I have no interest in joining you on that journey.
Clinton and her racist tactics turned me off totally to her campaign, “slum lord”, “jesse”, and her staff darkening and broadening Obama’s face on a mailer were blatantly racist. I voted twice for Bill, and now I can’t bear the sight of him.
Those folks who casually want Mccain and have the luxury of waiting for the 2012 election obviously haven’t been battling AIDS for 23 years. I didn’t think I’d live to the 08 election.
Anyone who is deluded with the concept Hillary would be the nominee n 2012, don’t have a very tight grasp of how the Democratic Party works, losers don’t get a second chance…ask Dean, Kerry, Gore, or Edwards.
The truth has spoken! WOOF
And live as long as life allows you to Babe!
Ha…a reversion isn’t necessarily a return to a more primitive state, not that primitive is “good” or “bad”; it’s relative.
But the only tactic people like you have is attacking people for their names.
WOOOOOO. Ad Hominem attacks! They’re all the rage!
Obvious troll is obvious.
I am a lifelong dyed-in-the-wool bleeding heart liberal who has never voted for a republican in his life. I would vote for McCain over Obama. McCain has experience and strong record of bipartisanship. It would be a good thing for our country to have a leader of the republican party moving the party more to the center.
I would not vote for Obama for a couple reasons. I believe he has pandered to homophobia and sexism. Repeated incidents like his sweetie comment, his repeated refusing even to speak to any and all reporters from gay newspapers for a period of over 4 years, antigay minister Donnie McClurkin appearing as a headliner for his fundraiser, etc.
Those who argue Hillary voters should vote for Obama simply because the next President will likely nominate Supreme Court Justices are short-sighted.
Jimmy Carter ran as an inexperienced, populist, Washington outsider and was so inept in handling the economy and internation affairs that he won less than 10% of the Electoral College on his re-election bid. His inept Democratic Presidency paved the way for Ronald Reagan and 20 years of Reagan Dynasty Presidents (If not Reagan, then not Bush #1. If not Bush #1, then not Bush #2).
The Democratic party risks costly repercussions from putting an inexperienced, ineffective Democrat in the White House. 20 years of Republicans picking Supreme Court Justices is something not to be repeated.
McCain might not be so bad for four years. And then Hillary can take the White House after that.
Oh yeah, and another thing.
Yes, I know McCain doesn’t support gay marriage. But he is like 2,000 years old. Those old people are traditionalists and don’t get it.
It’s another thing to have a guy in his 40s proudly proclaim how he opposes gay marriage.
In the long run, we’re better off with an old geezer opposing gay marriage than the “voice of change” going for that status quo.
Anybody who thinks Obama doesn’t have the experience is gullible and blindly believes everything he sees in the media. Abraham Lincoln had less experience than Obama when he became president.
And if you don’t like Obama it still doesn’t make sense to vote for McCain, unless you want more wars and more economic policies that put the interests of the wealthy before the average American. If you don’t like Obama vote for Nader or vote Socialist or write in your own name. Don’t just go and vote for McCain just because you don’t like Obama. Same goes for Clinton.
Well this IDIOT is voting Mccain.
Sorry. You give me 2 shitty candidates and I pick the best of the worst.
Obama is a RACIST
Of course, I’m voting for Barack Obama. It was difficult for me to initially decide between Hillary & Barack, but I eventually chose Barack, while still loving me some Hillary! She is an historic figure & she has moved the cause of women in the political world ahead immeasurably. Even if I had personally supported Hillary & she didn’t win the nomination, I’d still support any of those who were in this year’s crop of Democratic candidates. I truly don’t get how John McCain would make an acceptable substitution for Hillary Clinton (and not just to gay people, but to ANY Hillary supporter). Hillary & John are WORLDS APART on their political views. I don’t get it.
I do know, however, that sometimes not even logic will stop some people from cutting their noses off to spite their faces.
I support McCain.
I support McCain.
You’d have to be CRAZY to vote for Obama! Don’t make this a gay issue, because the bottom line is we are at war with Islamic radicals who could care less if gays can marry, they think gays should not live! Obama is soft on terrorism, and we cannot afford to have Sharia law here in the US. Leave your left views at the door for this election, gay rights are too important to lose to a globalist more concerned with how we look than preserving our rights.
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