Not that we need reminding that Donald Trump is a bloviating bully with a zero percent chance at becoming an effective world leader, but George Takei’s latest comments really seal the deal.
Speaking to Trump’s latest stirring of the national discourse pot — this time the candidate said “all Muslims” should be banned from entering the United States — Takei called upon his own experience at an internment camp to draw a parallel.
“It’s ironic that he made that comment on December 7, Pearl Harbor Day, the very event that put us in those internment camps,” Takei started.
“In the 1980’s Congress organized a commission to look into the reasons why that internment happened,” he said. “They found that it was three things that brought that about. One was racial hysteria, second was war hysteria, and third was failure of political leadership.”
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“Donald Trump is the perfect example of that failure,” Takei added.
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Markajv
Yeah George!!
Steven Edward Dunn
Last I checked, Japan does not accept Muslim immigrants. Does that outrage Mr. Takei, or is multiculturalism only for white countries?
Richard Holaday
And I’m sure Trump could careless … that’s what happens when someone is that far gone, mentally ð???
aliengod
Love you George. But enough with the “poor me” internment camp stories.
John M Clum
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261062/carter-banned-iranians-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield
Giancarlo85
@aliengod: Oh wow. You really have no respect.
Why don’t you conjure up another shit defense of Donald Trump and all republicans? Entertain us with more verbal diarrhea.
Jacques W Coquetel
EVERYONE is allowed to take a racial side, even George StarTrek, everyone except white people – as usual.
Chris Kirsten
why are George’s panties all in a bunch now?
Monte Molencamp
DT – 2016
Ross Hendricks
Coming from a never was who puts his selfish wants over the needs of a nation don’t mean nothing.
Wil Chaney
Trump was citing a law from 1952, written and enacted by a democrat president and congress. Tell me where he is so evil? Where is he wrong, uncle George?
Marti Heath
Maybe George needs a reality check. That law has been in place for decades. Disgraced again??? Can we be any more disgraced and humiliated in the world than we have been the last 7 years?
Danny Hooven
George is a weirdo, who thinks like a weirdo….I really don’t think anyone cares about anything he says or does!
Don Watson
Meh just a Muslim Japenese-American spewing his political views. Trump was stating to pause the immigration until we could get something done to prevent further terrorist attacks. Congress was wanting to get this done, but Obama said no of course. Obama will side with CAIR, Muslim brotherhood and other soup groups of terrorist run organizations, before he will ever consider siding with the American people. So George Takei and the rest of you can shut the hell up and wake the hell up!!
Leonard Woodrow
Trump is a clown trying to pass himself off as an intelligent man. The only people he fools are other clowns.
Tommy O'Brien
He never mentions that germans were also interred but then that would ruin his argument of racism
Alexander R. Rodriguez
Says a man who called Clarence Thomas a “minstrel in blackface” This washed up bigoted queen can go dream of his lost 1960s elsewhere….
Blaktarn
@Steven Edward Dunn: From what I understand he is American. And was in an camp in this “white” country.
Desert Boy
@Giancarlo85: Why don’t you shut the fuck up GianCaCa and get a job.
Larry
@Giancarlo85: Let’s ship him off to one and you and I can control his food, clothing, shelter, and access to the world.
aliengod
@Desert Boy: I second that! The little unemployed troll has WAY too much time on his hands.
1EqualityUSA
The U.K. has so far collected 250 signatures to ban Trump. This will be debated in Parliament.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Steven Edward Dunn:
The fabulous Mr. Takei is American, not Japanese; also Muslim immigration to South East Asia is focuses on Indonesia and Malaysia – Perhaps its a good idea to read up before posting (wink)
Also what’s a “white country”?
@aliengod: I wonder if you’d have the same attitude if you and your parents, siblings were put in a camp by your own government, approved by the citizenry of the time, because you were considered the “other”?
What about this constitution you all care about so much?
dbmcvey
@Steven Edward Dunn: Last time I checked, George Takei is a citizen of the United States so I don’t know why that matters.
dbmcvey
Wow, there are a lot of truly crazy people on Queerty. Now I remember why I almost never come on here.
Jaroslaw
There are actually several issues at work here. (1) Is Trump using this issue for campaign fodder? of course. (2) Does our vetting process need a lot of work? Obviously. (3) Is the US required to take ANY immigrants? Trump did say temporarily, which is being purposefully overlooked. (4) The Constitution and/or policies are routinely overlooked as others have pointed out right here in this thread.
FYI – Holland, the most liberal of countries, tries to discourage Muslim applicants by showing them photos of (among other things) Gay couples holding hands. Personally I think that is a bit too delicate, I think they should be full on kissing and maybe a bit more. Why do you suppose Holland does this?
moldisdelicious
The irony of most of these comments is that most of these guys saying them feel that they are better and smarter than the same bigots and others they look down on when they are doing the same shit theyre getting at other people for doing. They don’t realize it though.
Chris
@Steven Edward Dunn: The last I checked, Takei is not a Japanese citizen.
ButtStuff
@Desert Boy: Go easy on poor Giancarlo. It’s hard for a mentally ill registered sex offender, to even get a job.
You just know that someone like Giancarlo has a problem with matches, and there’s probably a ton of missing pets in his neighborhood. He’s a complete sociopath.
Chris
WOW! The absolute vitriol and snarkiness that can be seen in many of the responses to Mr. Takei’s objections based on his having been personally interred in camps during WW-II amazes me. Most of us were not alive when that happened; but Takei is drawing upon his own personal experiences (as a native-born U.S. citizen) to say why Trump is wrong in so many ways.
Is it really so hard for people to put themselves in someone else’s shoes?
The only gay-related parallel that I can think of would be to ask: How would people react if Mr. Trump were calling for blood-testing all everyone and kicking everyone with HIV out of this country?
These kinds of positions, like the one Mr. Trump is taking, should worry any one of us who has ever felt uneasy about the sorts of broad over-generalizations that Mr. Trump makes. Takei drew from his own experiences in criticizing Trump; without much difficulty, I can draw upon mine also.
heath0043
@aliengod: It wasn’t a poor me story, it was a comment on how the American people are headed down the same road. I think it was a perfect example on how people follow a person or train of thought without really thinking what they are doing, but yet that seems to be the way Republicans want things.
1EqualityUSA
My mom told us a story about two farms, side by side. One farm was run by Japanese Americans and the other (Nordic?). During this dark and shameful time of Japanese internments, the farm was maintained and the crops were planted for the Japanese family in their absence. When they came back, everything was in order and the crops were in full swing. There were heroes, ordinary, everyday heroes in this time.
Wayne_in_NYC
I had no idea there were so many self-loathing Log Cabin Republicans here on Queerty, defending Ronald McDonald Trump and his outrageously ridiculous opinions and suggestions. The “has been Mr. Takei” has been much more successful than most of the people commenting here, currently appearing on BROADWAY in the story of his family’s interment in those shameful prisoner of war camps. He has appeared in numerous TV shows, movies, plays, and inspires MILLIONS daily on social media. Jealousy will get you haters no where…. As for @Giancarlo85, I’d say he hit the nail squarely on the head with his observation, or an out-of-the-park home run to use another metaphor. Trump making all of the ridiculous statements he’s been making recently makes it sound like someone gave him the signal to self-destruct his campaign so the other REAL candidates can start getting serious, but the American sheeple are too stupid to realize what a joke he is. I can see him sitting across the table from Vladimir Putin and when he disagrees with something he says, pointing his finger and saying, “You’re fired!” I don’t think that would work very well.
Giancarlo85
*yawn* same old attacks. Same old weak shit. Desertboy is on here more than me. He has never worked a day in his life. Aliengod is mentally unstable… right wing minda are unstable. And buttstuff… The troll from a gay c.h.@t room that allegedly had a thing for kids.
Kieran
Donald Trump has called for a temporary moratorium on Muslim immigration until we know that our so-called “vetting” system is actually working. In light of Mr. Farook being allowed to bring in his radicalized Islamist wife and waging jihad against Americans that might be a smart idea.
twinkie1cat
George Takei is particularly right about not knowing our history. There is a movement to “clean up” American History, to gloss over the bad parts and even to emphasize the conservative viewpoint. But this has been going on for a long time. I was a grown adult before I heard about the internment camps. It was never mentioned in schools even in the 1960s. My mother said “But they were Japanese” as if that was a reason to lock them up. Actually they were Americans. The other stunner was turning away the ship from Germany that was rescuing the Jews from Hitler. Never heard about that either. Mama again said, “But they were Jews”, as if a person’s religion made them unworthy to be protected from the Nazis. I was supposed to understand that this was ok since they were not white Americans.
This is going to get worse. The schools are so wrapped up in standardized testing and false achievement, and with the charters being run by businesses to create a workforce, that they are forgetting about the purpose of education to create people who can think and make decisions that are in the best interest of themselves and others.
twinkie1cat
@1EqualityUSA: And people who knew to be their brothers’ keepers and follow Christian principles.
twinkie1cat
@Chris: You know they wanted to do that with all people who were HIV+ back in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Wanted to put them all on an island. Of course back then they thought that only gay people got AIDS.
yaletownman
Trump’s people must be trolling the comment sections of the Internet.
gaym50ish
@Tommy O’Brien: The few Germans who were detained during World War II were almost all German nationals, not German-American citizens of the U.S. That was FAR less disruptive than the internment of Japanese Americans, who were in the camps solely because of their ethnicity, regardless of their citizenship. Even worse was the manner in which they were rounded up, without any time to put their financial affairs in order, sell their property or businesses, etc.
rmthunter
@Steven Edward Dunn: Since the issue is American immigration policy, and Takei is an American, how is Japan’s immigration policy relevant?
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Kieran: Why not start by telling Saudi Arabia to stop exporting their Salafist venom around the globe, rather than selling them weapons to give their Jihadi minions in Syria?
I’m assuming you know what Salafism/Wahabism is right?
John Wadsworth
Ok Ok if nobody has said it yet, but GEORGE TAKEI FOR PRESIDENT! He has more sense then the 14 Republicans that are trying…..Maybe he could be Bernie Sanders VP? WE NEED HIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
blackberry finn
@Jacques W Coquetel:
Absolutely true. (But Trump is doing it anyway.) To draw any deep parallel between Trump’s proposal to ban Muslim travel to the US temporarily until an effective vetting process can be instituted with Hitler’s permanent expulsion of the Jews is ridiculous.
blackberry finn
@gaym50ish: @twinkie1cat: Trunp’s is a temporary measure until a vetting process can be instituted. If you want to learn from history, look at San Bernardino just last week. Instead, you want to drudge up German ships and Japanese internment camps. You seem to have myopia.
Jaroslaw
Now……….since we have such great legal minds here, I would like to know why the offspring of persons here illegally should be automatic US citizens. I think that should be changed but you hardly hear about that.
Jaroslaw
@blackberry finn: I’ve already said many posts above here that I’m totally in favor of a temporary ban. But there was NO reason even in 1940’s to STEAL from US citizens or legal residents by not allowing the Japanese to sell their homes or businesses. Or to return them once the threat was over. Further, and more importantly, George Takei was pointing out that most Americans alive today aren’t even aware of this or the ship that turned away the Jews during WWII. I wonder if these arguments have been used to prevent deportation or influencing citizenship due to persecution on Gay applicants. Did you think of that?
Realitycheck
@Steven Edward Dunn: Do you have a serious mental disease you would like to share with us?
What does Japan immigration policy have anything to do with us here in the USA?
and shocking as it might be to you Takei is a USA citizen.
Realitycheck
@Jaroslaw: Google it and you will see why it
is nearly impossible to change that.
Jaroslaw
@Realitycheck: If one of the stupidest men alive got elected President twice, I believe anything is possible. I did google it some time back, I think it is difficult, but I don’t recall it being nearly impossible. It will never happen if no one talks about it, that is for sure.
Jaroslaw
And if the word “illegal” means anything, even if it takes 2/3 of the states to ratify an amendment, that should be easy. Otherwise, we should let everyone in to the USA who wants to come here if compassion is our goal. If 2/3 of the states can’t do the right thing, then immigration policy is a power tool of the Feds (and/or the states) and not about what makes sense.
Realitycheck
@yaletownman: Big time, lots of new “republican” posters LOL
All the same, Trump represent everything that is wrong and dysfunctional with the USA and it is simply laughable to see republicans supporting him or the other republican losers.
Don’t these people realize how completely out of touch with the average american they have become? A clown like Trump or idiots like Ted Cruz or Ben Carson would never ever survive the presidential campaign process once it reaches beyond their party base.
1EqualityUSA
yaletownman, I read that the koch bros hire people to fan out over the net and attempt to sway things, but now, with how badly the Republicans are doing, I’m wondering if the bros are really progressives out to sabotage the Tedious Right with total and utter loons. It’s working! Look at the pack of loons they have. Ted Cruz is a turd-blossom, Trump is a rube, Rubio is a plebe, and the rest are mouth-breathers. I still think the sleeper-creeper is Bush, though it’s looking grim. These nut-cases make Bush look less bridge-mix-y.
1EqualityUSA
oh, I forgot the freaker brain surgeon with dire warnings about hummus.
scotty
mr sulu for president! takei in 2016 rolls of the tongue doesnt it? right on george. mad respect.
Kieran
The Republicans finally have in Donald Trump a front runner candidate that is cool with the gays. But a lot of you dopey faggots won’t be happy until Trump is hounded from the race and the GOP nominates a rabid homophobe like Cruz, Rubio, Carson or Hucklebee as the Republican standard bearer. That’s what you call chopping off your own head to spite your brain.
1EqualityUSA
Trump believes man-woman stuff, Kieran, and would appoint evil Supreme Court justices (or delegate this errand out to evil underlings). Even if Trump is shown the door, do you really believe that any of the candidates listed, after that fascist bigot with bad hair, have a chance? c’mon, love, it’s not happening. If Trump is all they have, they’re in trouble. O.K. I see I’m going to have to go here…..imagine it’s 3:00am and Trump is summoned to the Situation Room to deal with hummus, can you even see how his National Security advisors are going to react to his kewpie-doll bed-head hair. Two aides would have to help him keep balance.
UltimateSin
Wow, sure are a lot of r a c i s t white people on here. My bad, I forgot this was the gay community commenting. Carry on.
Transiteer
@Steven Edward Dunn: I’m not aware that Japan bars Muslims, but in the case of Trump, the U.S. is an immigrant nation and accepts all people from all over. Unless you’re a republican bigot, in which case it’s only angry white protestant males accepted.
youarekiddingme
@Jaroslaw: Let ME help you…Ever hear of the Constitution? Ever hear of the 14th Amendment? Well here it is for you:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
All persons BORN…AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF…are citizens of the United States…
What’s hard to understand? Born here…Consequently, when you are here you are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, hence children of illegal aliens are US Citizens.
Has been that way since this amendment was passed. Contrary to dickhead Trump, there are NO CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYERS who have interpreted it any differently (as he stated in debates, “I’ve talked to experts/lawyers in constitutional law who said this doesn’t apply to children of illegal immigrants”). Bullshit. Can’t produce one name of such an expert. If one existed, the amendment would have been challenged.
This constitutional shit ain’t that hard…look it up on line then you wouldn’t make a fool of yourself!
youarekiddingme
Since “Uncle Donald” wants to put a ban on Muslims entering the US, isn’t that going to be tough? Muslim is a religion. Are we going to have to ask everyone who enters the country what their religion is then? Remember Mohammed Ali? He is a Muslim. If he happens to be outside the country when this occurs and needs to reenter after the ban, is he allowed back in? What about if he needs access to medical treatment here? What about others who just happen to believe and practice the Muslim faith? How about Arabic people who do practice the Muslim religion? Can they just claim to be christian and be allowed into the country? Is this about those with Arabic surnames? If John Smith (of European Dissent) who happens to be a Muslim, how will you bar him from coming into the country? How will you identify him as Muslim?
Sounds like a pipe dream to me. Political smoke being blown up the public’s ass! Make the people cheer!! We Love Donald!!
Horses Ass. Just like his plan to have Mexico build that big wall. Bullshit!!
Typical Politician. Say what you think the people want to hear…not what is practical or feasible in the real world.
silveroracle
As a UK citizen I do not want Donald Trump in my country.
kayakriver
Are you queens nuts?
Islam calls for our killing. Muslims are against us. Go to any muslim country and you will be stoned to death. Gay men are dying all over muslim countries. Why are you against Trump? You want more muslims in the United States so more people can spit in your face? To give you weird looks on the street? To say you should die and burn i hell? Are you people out of your minds? Stop listening to what the idiot box is telling you. This isn’t racism, it’s being against a set of beliefs that is sickening.
kayakriver
@silveroracle: So you don’t care about the muslims in your country who believe you should die because you are gay? Marching on the streets calling for sharia law That is fine with you then?
youarekiddingme
@kayakriver: Talk about listening/watching what’s on the idiot box…OMFG!! Do you know what the odds are of being attacked by terrorists in this country are?
Have you been to any “Muslim” country? I have. Never been stoned. Muslim is a religion…not a race!
No one in the US (Muslim or otherwise) has ever spit in my face! I live near Dearborn (the largest proportion of Arab Americans in the country) and have seen no such problems.
It’s easy to talk all that shit from the comfort of your easy chair. Watching the “idiot box”, going out and buying your gun to protect yourself from the “Muslim Hoards” when your neighbor is trying to beat your spouse and steal your car! Btw, we kill a hell of a lot more of US than they kill of US.
I’m not saying there isn’t a problem, but who the fuck are you calling “queens?” Look in the mirror you LOON!
Trump must be your brother, father, uncle, buddy, BFF or you’re just another Log Cabin republican who supports that nut!
mbfmark
@Steven Edward Dunn: Sorry, Steven, but that graphic circulating the internet that says Japan doesn’t accept muslim immigrants is a complete and total fabrication and gets a “pants on fire” rating from Politifact. Just because you see it on the internet and it is shared widely doesn’t make it true.
Alistair Wiseman
The always sanctimonious George Takei fails to mention that it was DEMOCRATIC President Franklin D. Roosevelt that ordered Takei and his family into those internment camps.
Takei does rightfully acknowledge the apology and reparations from REPUBLICAN President Ronald Reagan when Reagan signed the Civil Liberties Act of 1988. Another apology was issued by REPUBLICAN President George H. W. Bush in 1991 and he later signed the Civil Liberties Act Amendment in 1992.
It is also worth noting that it was DEMOCRATIC President Jimmy Carter who banned Iranians from entering the United States back in 1979.
In fact, President Carter ordered 50,000 Iranian students in the United States to report to immigration offices to check on visa violations. Around 15,000 were forced to leave the United States.
kayakriver
@youarekiddingme: I’m not talking about terrorists. I’m talking about a religion that wants us dead. I’ve been to Palestine and Turkey and never again will I go to another muslim country. Obviously muslim is a religion, not a race, which is why it must be countered. If you as a gay man think you are safe among muslims, you need a clue stick swung over your head. I’m sorry, honey, but you do. Bye.
Alistair Wiseman
@Steven Edward Dunn:
@Hussain-TheCanadian:
@mbfmark:
Fom an articke by Y.K. Cherson:
“Officially, immigration to Japan is not closed to Muslims. But the number of immigration permits given to applicants from Islamic countries is very low. Obtaining a working visa is not easy for adepts of Islam, even if they are physicians, engineers and managers sent by foreign companies that are not active in the region. As a result, Japan is a ‘country without Muslims.'”
The reason there are no terror attacks in Japan is because Japan is practically closed to Muslims. Approximately, 100,000 Muslims reside in Japan.
youarekiddingme
@kayakriver: Funny, I thought we were talking about terrorists here…since the reason this was brought up by Trump was in DIRECT RESPONSE to the TERRORIST attack in California! What blog are you responding on?
Turkey…what a shining example of a country to visit! Can you pick somewhere perhaps a little more moderate? Lets see, about 72% of the population are Sunnis.
Palestine…Now there’s a stable place to visit! There’s only been feuding and fighting going on there for thousands of years!
What would possess you to visit 2 such “wonderful, shining” examples of muslim culture? Ever been to a more moderate country/culture?
Your remark about how Muslim must be “countered”…you sound dangerous! Wtf does that mean? You want a jihad? You want a holy war? Most Muslims that I have met (and live around), which is probably a helluva a lot more than you, have no such intention of harming, stoning, killing or eliminating gays. Get a clue! I LIVE AMONG MUSLIMS!! I told you where I live. You can’t read?
You watch that damn “idiot box”, visit 2 religious extreme and warring countries and try to draw general conclusions about an entire classification of people. Yea, I heard all gay men are child molesters too. Idiot. I’m not your fuckin HONEY. I’m a man! I’m gay. I’m not your fuckin screaming Queen that you threw your little hissy fit about in your first post.
Your “clue” stick..well that was you hitting every branch on the retard tree as you fell down it!
Alistair Wiseman
@youarekiddingme:
Mohammed Ali is an American with an American passport you twit!
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman: Hey Fucktard! The idiot (if you bothered to check anything you moron), was closing off the border to MUSLIMS!!
So, what your dumbass is saying is that the male t@rr@rist (since he was an American (with a Passport)) would have been allowed into the country (under your scenario). That ain’t what Trump said! He made NO distinction. He said MUSLIMS. Muslim is a religion. Every Arab/Middle Eastern person could simply claim they were Christian. Fuckin t@rr@rists could walk in the front door under his ret@rded plan.
I stayed away from commenting on your half-witted posts because you basically make me ill. Now, unfortunately here you are…spewing your clueless nonsense all over the internet.
Stick your head back up Ted Cruz’ ass (where you keep it most of the time)! Just let us know who you’re voting for in the upcoming election (don’t cop out either and say you’re undecided either). We all want to read about our little right-wing, repub, turn coat troll here on Queerty.
Have a nice day Alistair : ) Thanks for taking the time to write me a comment–it shows you still care!
dwbyers1960
It amazes me how gay men have no brains.
dwbyers1960
Carter did it in 1972 you retards!
dwbyers1960
Religious Studies
The Quran
Murder
Jewish Ethnicity and People
Islam
Question That Contains Assumptions
Why does the Quran say kill all the Jews and Christians?
How do you justify the verses in Quran which talks about killing of Jews and Christians?
Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”
Qur’an 4:91- If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.
. Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.
Qur’an 9:12-14-Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory.
. Qur’an 9:5 Kill the nonbelievers wherever you find them.
Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
Qur’an (5:51) – ”O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”
Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.
Qur’an (4:48, 4:116)-Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have “invented a tremendous sin.”
Qur’an (4:51)-Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims.
Qur’an (5:51) Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
Qur’an (5:80) – “You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide.” Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
Qur’an (3:85) – ”And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”
. Qur’an 9:6-Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don’t submit will be killed. See previous verse.)
Qur’an 5:53 Jews and Christians are losers.
Qur’an 5:59 Jews and Christians are evil-livers.
Qur’an 5:63 Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests.
Qur’an 5:72 Christians will be burned in the Fire.
Qur’an 5:73Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom.
Qur’an 9:30Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them.
Qur’an 9:34 Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.
Qur’an 19:35-37“Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day.”
Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell.
Qur’an 28:62-64 Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined?
Qur’an 40:73Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in?
Qur’an 3:67 ”Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.”
Alistair Wiseman
@dwbyers1960:
Oh, you have done it now.
Hussain-TheCanadian, aka Queerty’s Unofficial Muslim Apologist, is going to tell you how these are not real quotes, or they come from a different Quran, or only those who adhere to Salafism/Wahabism only pay attention to those verses, or etc. etc. etc.
ait10101
@Steven Edward Dunn: That is not an official position Japan does not accept many immigrants of any type. Furthermore, Takei is not Japanese. He is an American. His outrage is directed at what his own country did, and what the pretender to the government, Trump, says needs to be done. Whatever Takei’s concerns about Japan’s immigration policies, his citizenship makes the moot.
gaym50ish
@Kieran: It doesn’t really matter how “cool” Trump is with gays, because if he ends up being the Republican nominee they will have handed the election to Hillary, who is even COOLER with gays.
Giancarlo85
@Kieran: You are so ignorant. Do you realize Donald isn’t cool with us at all? And his other vague suggestions would sink this country and destroy its economy. I get it… You really don’t think and you are a Trump supporter. It is all too obvious now. I am voting Hillary because she one hundred times more supportive than Trump and has a set of clear defined policies that would guide this nation on the right course. I will not vote for some blistering foaming at the mouth idiot who insults entire groups of people and makes fun of reporters with disabilities.
@youarekiddingme: I would rather hang out with the Kurds than hang out with these idiot gay republicans. What these guys don’t get is not all Muslims are the same. Who are the people dying the most from ISIL? Other Muslims. The Kurds are putting up one hell of a fight and are highly secularized. As I posted before the Kurdish party in Turkey is more progay than the republican party.
Jaroslaw
@youarekiddingme: You are going to help me understand? Physician heal thyself! You might try reading and comprehension courses before you call everyone else here morons and fucktards. In my first post, I asked why SHOULD children of illegals be citizens? I already know that they are, since two posts later I reference 2/3 ratification of a Constitutional amendment. Which is the whole point of amendments, they can be added and deleted as times and circumstances change; another concept which is beyond your capacity to grasp based on your post to me.
Giancarlo85
@kayakriver: I am against Trump because he is a moron who insults other countries and insults other minorities including gay people. Trump is a bltiering fool much like yourself. Someone who has lost his mind. His ideas would destroy this country, sink our economy into depression and destroy whatever protections we have. And there are already Muslims in this country and they are US citizens. In fact, hundreds of thousands of them. They aren’t calling for anyones head. The mass majority of them recognize the importance of the US rule of law and constitution.
@dwbyers1960: It amazes me how fucking stupid you have always been. The bible calls for murder of nonbelievers, endorses slavery and says women are to serve men. It also says men can sell their daughters to the highest bidder and women can be stoned for cheating. So who the hell are you kidding? You right wingers are the most ignorant stupid set of people in America and you are a complete embarrassment to this country.
@Alistair Wiseman: I can’t wait for you to cry endlessly when Hillary gets inaugurated. You are so full of it.
Giancarlo85
@youarekiddingme: I wonder what he would do if Kurd or Indonesian wanted to come to this country. Or how about Persians. None of them are Arabs. Donald Trump is a fucking moron like some of the posters on here. Similar minds think alike. That is why some here are now showing their true colors. Kieran finally did. He is voting for Trump because he thinks Trump is progay. Such laughable bullshit.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: Why? Children don’t have a choice in the matter. Why shouldn’t they be? Answer that.
I know logic is difficult for the right wing mind.
Jaroslaw
@Giancarlo85: Yes, the Bible calls for those things. “Christian” countries haven’t sold their daughters for several centuries or stoned adulterers. Slavery was outlawed in the US in 1865 and earlier in England. Religious tests for office disappeared in the US and Europe at least 150 years ago. Women are pretty much have equality in westernized countries. These countries are moving forward, with things such as SS marriage. The printed words may compare somewhat, but look at the practice! You really can’t see the difference?
Jaroslaw
And show me world wide connected groups of Christians chanting Bible verses as they behead someone or call for Christianity to be made the national religion and killing nonbelievers TODAY.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: You really don’t think about what you type at all. The reason why these countries are more accepting is because they moved away from religion. Countries like Kenya and Uganda, being Christian countries, are examples of what Christianity is really about. And we are jailed in those countries simply for being gay.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: The Family (the fellowship). They want gay people executed.
You really are stupid. Keep it up!
By the way, I already brought up the Kurds who are highly secularized and quite left wing. Imagine that… Leftists battling ISIL.
Jaroslaw
Good old Giancarlo – this is a discussion board and differences of opinion or even corrections can be made without your constant rudeness. Kenya and Uganda are indicative of the harshness of African governments, not Christianity in general. The US and England never had the death penalty for homosexuality. The Family – even now, most people have never heard of them, and I’ve read several articles that never mentioned the execution of Gays – but the bigger point – have they publicly advocated this and actually executed anyone? That is the point I keep trying to make. Islam has and does. Worldwide. There is a difference. Move to an Islamic country if you think it is all the same.
Giandorko86
TRUMP 2016 paid for by Giancarlo85 superpac Gay Republicans for Donald Trump
BJ McFrisky
So, suddenly liberal hero FDR is a “failed political leader” who suffered from “racial hysteria”?
Funny how these liberal memes have a tendency to cannibalize themselves, showing just how hypocritical their base thinking truly is.
@dwbyers1960: Amen to that.
@Marti Heath: Got that right.
girldownunder
@Steven Edward Dunn:
1) That wasn’t the point of this very short interview
2) He likely hasn’t been asked his thoughts (re: anti-Muslim by the Japanese gov’t).
Jaroslaw
Fellowship member Bob Hunter gave an interview to NPR in December 2009 in which he acknowledged Bahati’s connection but argued that no American associates support the bill.[84]
President Barack Obama, in his address to the Fellowship at their National Prayer Breakfast in early 2010, directly criticized the Uganda legislation targeting gay people for execution. In calling for a renewed emphasis on faith and civility, Obama stated, “We may disagree about gay marriage, but surely we can agree that it is unconscionable to target gays and lesbians for who they are — whether it’s here in the United States or, as Hillary [Clinton] mentioned, more extremely in odious laws that are being proposed most recently in Uganda.”[85]
girldownunder
@dwbyers1960: “Says the pedophile”…
girldownunder
@twinkie1cat: FANTASTIC REPLY!!!!
Thank you!
Giandorko86
I like little boys in tight baseball uniforms so much so that I create screen names after their name yeah I’m so smart
Giancarlo85
@Giandorko86: Oh wow. How original. This is from the mind of the guy who made “buttstuff” as his other username. Lol. Lame.
@Jaroslaw: The Fellowship includes dictator Yoweri Museveni. Try again.
@Jaroslaw: Wrong again. Can you ever be right? These countries adopted old British and French laws outlawing homosexuality. Take a look at India. These are old Christian laws.
Jaroslaw
Most Fellowship members do not agree with executing Gays, so that is not a worldwide network.
Giancarlo85
@Giandorko86: Buttstuff created this username. He is known to do that in that gay C.h.a.t.room. He is also an alleged pedophile that tried to hook up with a 14 year old.
Jaroslaw
Giancarlo – regarding children – I SAID in a post long before you asked your question – if compassion is the rule, then let everyone come here who wants to. Obviously excepting terrorists, if we can figure that out. Unfortunately everyone who wants to come here cannot so what happens in effect is people who break the rules get rewarded by their children becoming citizens and those that follow the rules stay home. Plus when that automatic rule was in effect, mass transit and cars didn’t exist. The amendment’s proposers never imagined 300,000 children would be born annually to illegals.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: You are nothing more than a liar and an Christian apologist. Gays have been executed in western countries. Nobody likes a christian fundamentalist apologist.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: Oh my goodness. Could you post anything more stupid? They were born in this country and are citizens. Rightfully so. so far you have not posted sound argument. Your argument is disgustly incoherent. Can you wven form a coherent sentence? You drift off about different subjects. Kids don’t need to be punished for anything… And they are full US citizens and work for a living.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: I posted extensive links as to where they do. You are mindless in your responses. A majority of the Fellowship indeed does want gay people executed.
Jaroslaw
Giancarlo – If you’re going to be a self righteous windbag at least quote me correctly. Where did I say children born here are not citizens? Clearly that was not the case before the 14th amendment and amendments can be repealed as in the case of Prohibition. You say children shouldn’t be punished -but you are punishing the people who follow the rules. Their children don’t get to be US citizens because they didn’t illegally come here. If you think everyone agrees with you except me, there is no harm in revisiting this issue.
Giancarlo85
Oh and the US is a nation built on immigration. Most of it undocumented. Who built the railroads in the West that made majot states like California possible? And caused an economic boom in this country? Tens if not hundreds of thousands of undocumented Chinese immigrants. This nation is a nation of immigrants. I suggest you read “A nation of immigrants” written by no other than JFK.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: You are a nasty hypocrite and the real windbag on here. Not once have you ever proposed a logical argument. People come here to work and make a living. Most of the undocumented immigrants in this country work hard and ask for little in return. You have no clue about the issur, as like before. I didn’t misquote you. You made your stupidity loud and clear, just as Donald Trump does.
Giancarlo85
And people who follow the rules are not being punished. My goodness man, maybe you should make friends with some first generation Americans. Repeal the amendment? What are you? Stupid? You want to take away their citizenship because you are simply a brainless xenophobe who has never posted a logical argument.
Jaroslaw
Not once have I provided a logical argument? Really? I’d like to hear opinions of other Queerty readers. Few dispute you because they don’t want to get on the other end of your rabid dog, extremely rude, never give in, never give up self righteousness. Just because you continue to comment and misconstrue doesn’t meant I am going to not respond. I never said take away anyone’s citizenship. But what is wrong with YOU? Times change. Amendments are made and can be repealed.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: You are a fool suggesting the amendment should be repealed. And what I do is defend the left from nasty vicious right wingers like you and Alistair who post substantial lies and distortions. And yes, you have never posted a clear argument for anything. You are just another populist xenophobe who suggested kids should be punished. Seriously, shame on your bigoted ass.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: Oh and more than a few agree with me. People like you and Alistair are nothing more than cancers on here. This site would be better off without you trolling.
1EqualityUSA
Jaroslaw, What you are saying is to repeal the amendment? Would not the individual ,the innocent child in this case, be punished for the crimes of another, the undocumented parent? hmmmm. It doesn’t smell right.
Jaroslaw
Giancarlo85 – you are free to express your opinion. Of course, there are people who agree with you. Who said they didn’t? What I asked is if I had ever provided a logical argument or if your obnoxious viciousness is necessary to have discourse. I am far from a vicious right winger simply because I have a different opinion than you. No country can have unregulated immigration and as I stated 1868 when the 14th amendment was instituted was a far different time and place than now. You spout platitudes about punishing children but fail to see the overall picture. I’m aware that many immigrants work hard for little – Fast Food Nation documents this well. But that was not the question. Differences of opinion are a cancer and everyone who disagrees with you is a troll? Perhaps Queerty should allow only you to post, since you know everything and are never wrong.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: You are nothing more than a xenophobe and your argument is feeble minded. You have no logic or reason. And calling me obnoxious? That is ironic coming from you. You chime in every now and then with the same right wing crap. This is a progressive website. Keep your propaganda and lies to yourself. This nation needs immigrants, especially as the birth rate and population growth decline sharply. And immigration is not unregulated into this country. So don’t be stupid.
I am done replying to you right now. I am off to work.
Giancarlo85
@1EqualityUSA: That is exactly what he is saying. He is mindless and won’t justify his stupid remarks. He says it is a different time, but that argument is full of crap.
Jaroslaw
1EqualityUSA – is there a reason you use the word “undocumented” instead of “illegal?” Undocumented makes it sound like they left their documents at home or lost them! Yes, I think the 14th should be repealed (not retroactively)since most of the reasons for its implementation no longer exist. do you think they do? I said from the beginning this is barely even talked about, so I think a discussion is in order. I’m not advocating instant repeal! Do you think it is fair for people to follow the rules and not get citizenship and those who break them have their children born here automatically get citizenship?
Jaroslaw
1Equality – I see G got a reply in before I finished mine. I love how he thinks he is “exposing” my true agenda. What I posted previously isn’t a secret, look above. I have a several questions I meant to ask – is any country required to take immigrants? Can we or should we take in everyone? Are we punishing those we turn away? Do most countries make a person a citizen simply due to birth there? Is it fair that people who follow the rules may be turned away and not become citizens but those who come here illegally have children who are citizens? Talk about punishing children, there are children in prison WITH their parents awaiting deportation and I think that is true punishment. And does immigration policy allow for the deportation of the illegal parents but the child stays in the US? Many questions.
youarekiddingme
@Jaroslaw: Well, stupid! Your ORIGINAL post said NOTHING about 2/3! Here’s your original post:
“Now……..since we have such great legal minds here (what a smart ass comment by the way), I would like to know why the offspring of persons here illegally should be automatic US citizens. I think that should be changed but you hardly hear about that.”
Btw, you HARDLY hear about that, because nobody cares what your opinion on the subject is!
Now, back to your rediciulus point…No where do you discuss 2/3 in your original post. You say something (I see now in a follow up) but we’re not talking about that now are we Mr. Reading Incomprehension now are we?
Next time you ASK a question in a post…be prepared for the ANSWER. Even if you don’t like it!
Lastly, you have no IDEA who or what the person has said in the past to get the use of the words “Moron/Fucktard” used with them. I won’t take the time to explain either. Are you their den mother? If not…butt out! It was not directed at YOU! If you don’t like it, then call the Queerty Police!
1EqualityUSA
Giancarlo85, Jaroslaw has posted on Queerty for many years and has always been a lamb, a polite discusser of issues. To see him so annoyed is alarming. Many of the points you make are not wrong. Your passion overflows. It carries your message away in the current. Have a good day at work.
Jaroslaw, nice to hear from you. Every time I hit the news button on my computer bar, I cringe a little. It seems the news has been wildly unpleasant. Nothing left to do but clean house. If you can’t control the world, kill dust-bunnies! At least it makes me feel impervious.
Jaroslaw
@you are kidding – I mentioned 2/3 at 6:11 pm on 12/9 which is way before your post of 947 pm accusing me of not knowing the Constitution. Get a life.
Jaroslaw
@1EqualityUSA: Thanks as always. Here’s a few more thoughts. I have agreed with Giancarlo, and he’s right about countries adopting anti Gay laws from Britain. But it is always Christian bashing that is okay, not a problem if correct. But a number of good things come out of Christianity that the country’s have ALSO adopted, not mentioned. And if he wants to blame Britain for anti-gay laws from colonial times, India and Nigeria have the right to adopt current policy from Britain as well regarding Gays. Passion overflows? That is a nice way to put it. I’m hardly right wing!
youarekiddingme
@Jaroslaw: READ YOUR ORIGINAL POST!!!!
That’s what I replied to!! DUHHHHHHHH! I don’t care about any “follow up” post or when you “say” you posted it!
Get a GRIP
GayEGO
Right on George!
From my husband and I to your husband and you!
1EqualityUSA
When a Nation’s people become scared, it’s easier to rationalize shutting the door. From what I’ve experienced, given my own history (I’m the 3rd generation on my father’s side) and from what I’m seeing in the work force, the notion of immigration is changing. When my kin came here, it was with the idea to stay, make a life, and become a citizen. Now I’m seeing many, post-retirement, fly away, back to their country of origin, to live like kings. It’s bothersome to me. I’m not quite sure how I feel about this. Instead of money being spent here, in our stores, home depots, and restaurants, well-earned pensions are being spent elsewhere. When my family ancestors moved here, it was with the idea that they would assimilate, learn the language, and participate in successes. It’s a mistake to relegate your community to one area and not get out. I do believe that an open society will have a positive effect on others, which, in turn, takes away much of the danger, real or perceived. This idea is an experiment that worked. I believe it still works. These conversations are nothing new. Every generation has the same conversations. It’s dynamic, this system. Tamping it down, snuffs it. We have many examples from our past (this country’s relatively young) from which to pull. The Irish were hated, Jews, hated, Italians, hated, Chinese, hated…there’s nothing new under the sun. I want to learn from our past and proceed with due caution. If you want to come here, work hard, and then flit away back to your original country, that’s fine, free to do so, but don’t expect to be the positive change that made it easier for the 3rd gen’s to adapt. Live like a king, elsewhere, but you’ll never fully be home again. Know that you’ll forever be changed by having immersed in this delightful, frustrating, dynamic experiment. I must go clean. Love to you all, even you, Alistair Wiseman.
Jaroslaw
@youarekiddingme: My original post asked why people born here SHOULD be citizens. I didn’t ask WHY they are citizens. Right there, it is clear I understand the Constitution. And it is beyond dispute when I say immediately following: “I think that should be changed.” You missed this, just admit it. If not, have a nice day. Done here.
Jaroslaw
@1EqualityUSA: I’m not scared, I asked a lot of questions that indicate anything but that. It is just that the topic of immigration policy doesn’t get discussed (as with many many things) until there is a crisis. It has been said we need immigration, birth rates in US are declining. My next comment will prove I’m not right wing beyond a shadow of a doubt – if the current social security/labor model is used, yes, we will need more workers. (I never doubted that a country is enriched by immigration, but there are pluses and minuses to everything…) – I find it annoying to no end when we discuss costs/revenues, taxation…..5% of the people have 95% of the money. It seems the answer to everything is tax the rich less and hope for trickle down, in the meantime, tax the middle class more and more and more. When this country was at its peak, union membership was highest and corporations paid far more (percentage) of federal taxes than they do now. Food for thought.
youarekiddingme
@Jaroslaw: No, your original comment said, “…since we have such great legal minds here…” (inferring folks on this site were somehow inferior in their knowledge of the law…very sarcastic comment–exactly WHAT I took exception to by the way).
The answer I gave you as to WHY, was the 14th Amendment (to show that I was NOT INFERIOR in my knowledge of the law) as you inferred in your above derogatory comment.
Now if you can’t understand how your original comment was EXTREMELY CONDESCENDING, then YOU have the problem!
I am done with you! Have a nice day. : )
Jaroslaw
@youarekiddingme: sorry, I’m not done. Go back and read what you wrote. The condescension comment by YOU was in parentheses, not the main issue PER YOUR OWN POST.
And you ASSUME I was being condescending, that was NOT my intent. Contrast this with your shouting, cursing and name calling. If you disagree that is fine, but the general tone of my numerous comments here are not nasty/loud/obnoxious as yours and G’s are. Let them speak for themselves.
And while we’re at it, one last thing. You kept on about “my original post.” You’re splitting hairs about all this condescension. I put the 2/3 amendment ratification in BEFORE you posted at 947 pm. The info was there, so what if it wasn’t in my original post? If you read everything before you posted (and why wouldn’t you?) it was there. So I didn’t need your Constitution lesson which was presented in far more of a condescending and rude way than anything I’ve said here.
youarekiddingme
Since I’m not going to respond directly to the “tool” by name…
It’s funny he continues to direct his bullshit to me even though he said, “Done here”
Not his INTENT to be condescending…yet he says, “…since we have these great legal minds here.” Let the words speak for themselves. He wonders why I would be upset at him and then quote law. He did say, “since we have these great LEGAL minds here.” Guess I was showing him my mind huh? I would have said nothing at all to him had he not been such a rude ass to “THESE GREAT LEGAL MINDS HERE.” Lets see; These = the people commenting on this post. Legal = knowing the law. Here = Queerty (in case “These” wasn’t clear enough).
Ask a question, pissed because he got the answer he didn’t like.
He posts his original post at 551, Realitycheck sets him straight at 558 by telling him to “Google it” and he finally talks about 2/3 sometime later…at 609 (after being admonished the first time. I hit “reply” when I reached his original post (thereby going to the bottom of the page of the post) in direct response to his original post. I did not read his secondary post after being admonished/corrected by Realitycheck…nor do I give a shit about his secondary corrected post. He was being a pompous ass who thought no one here knew anything about the law. He was being a “wisenheimer” about “since we have these great legal minds here,” then wonders why he got his pee-pee spanked.
Unreal.
Now, he can’t stop posting to me, even though he said, “Done here” Yea, Right…I believe that from him too.
Jaroslaw
I can’t stop posting? What is the above? YOU are posting too.
Realitycheck understood I was referring to changing the 14th amendment to not allow birthright citizenship. That is why he said “google to see why it is almost impossible to change.” That is hardly “setting me straight.” He was engaging in polite discussion, something you haven’t shown to me yet.
You just won’t admit you’re wrong – I DID acknowledge that I understood that aspect of the Constitution in my FIRST post.
I happen to know lawyers post here occasionally – there would be no reason to be generically rude to whoever happens to read the question. As I already indicated my posts are almost uniformly polite, so that is evidence I was not trying to be rude. If you insist otherwise, that is your prerogative.
alterego1980
@Chris: This is one of the inevitable drawbacks of the internet age. I feel many people no longer have empathy. They don’t need to talk to anyone face to face and so they have no reason to consider the other side of the argument. It really is killing off the “reasonable person”. People would never talk to each other like this face to face, even if they say otherwise.
Many of these attacks on Mr. Takei stem from this issue. We as a nation, as a society, as a world will lose sight of our history and will be doomed to repeat it. Especially if we criticize, belittle and ignore those who have lived it. People may not agree with everything he says, I certainly don’t, but the lies and vitriol are out of place (and sadly too common).
Trump might not become president from this election, then again he might. but if he doesn’t, the one sure thing is that this election cycle is just a symptom of what’s to come. It’s a reflection of who we’ve become as a country. I realized this after the whole “mexican r@pi$ts” commentary. He should have been shunned right then and there
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: You are a nationalist xenophobe. A wolf in sheep’s clothing…. Speaking of lambs. Your kind is the most dangerous. You know nothing about US law or the Constitution. Do you know the requirements to change amendments? Stating that first generation children should not be citizens is one of the most blatantly disgusting things I have ever heard you say.
You are nothing more than a wolf. Lamb… Not.
@alterego1980: None of these republicans have a chance against Hillary. Hillary took eleven hours of republican bullshit and smiled. Republicans were stuttering badly.
Jaroslaw
G – advocating for fair, consistent policies is not xenophobic. Check the dictionary for the meaning of xenophobe, O pompous one.
youarekiddingme
@Jaroslaw: I’m sure you were innocently directing your post to the “lawyers” in the group…Yea right. I can come up with a thousand reasons I “said something” in retrospect, but it doesn’t change what I say. Back peddle if you will. Seems that’s all you’re doing.
Admit you were wrong for being so condescending and rude in the first place. Is that so difficult for you? I have done that many times here…Some people just can’t bring themselves to do that. Sign of a weak person. A shame really.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: what is consistent or fair about your statements? Nothing at all. You know nothing about US policy or law. I treated you with the same kind of treatment you treated others. And you didnt answer my question.
Jaroslaw
G – I already answered your questions about US law above, not necessarily directed to you though but you’re reading everything so you should know this. Oh and just for fun – I guess since I know nothing – you’ll disagree with me that it was wrong to steal the assets of the Japanese who were interred.
youarekidding – You are not a mind reader so you cannot know my intent, but I’ll concede one thing only to you – it could have been intentionally rude so for that I apologize. But considering everything that has been said on this board and especially to me, I find it extremely contradictory that you single out that ONE statement to be the rudest, most condescending thing. And how do you decide I’m rude when YOU are calling people fucktards and morons? They may well be, but why aren’t you rude for saying them? Seems like my sentence pales in comparison.
youarekiddingme
@Jaroslaw: Ever read the evil things written by Alistair. If you have, then you’ll know why
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: Meaning you know absolutely NOTHING about the law or how the constitution is amended (and how many states it takes to approve amendments). You are fundamentally ignorant in this regard. Your beliefs are repugnant and repulsive at every level. Your knowledge of the rule of law and the republic is seriously deficient at almost every level.
You are essentially saying kids who are born here should not be US citizens. This view is fundamentally wrong on many levels. You are now shifting the subject away and attempting a bait and switch. You completely failed in this discussion at about every level. You are incredibly condescending and your passive aggressive behavior has been well noted for a long time.
Leave the adult discussion to adults. It’s apparent you are ill-prepared to discuss matters like an adult.
Jaroslaw
G – why don’t you just advocate for your position instead of constantly saying my arguments are repulsive and I have failed at every level and I’m not an adult? Repetition doesn’t make it true. That is YOUR opinion, nothing more, and doesn’t add to the discussion except show what an insecure person you are by continuing to be obnoxious at a monumental level. I do not have to call you names or deride you simply because we don’t agree. Let the opinions or discussions speak for themselves. Your definition of xenophobe and nationalist as applied to me was incorrect as anyone can see by consulting a dictionary. The courts have been wrong about interpretation of amendments in the past – such as the one granting equal rights to all citizens after the civil war. Ever heard of separate but equal which was allowed by SCOTUS? If you read up on the discussion of the 14th amendment, everything mentioned on this board and more was brought up. The fact that Indians/Native Americans were not included as citizens shows there were exceptions. The language also didn’t stop at “naturalized or born here” either but the words “subject to the jurisdiction of” were added. If born here was all that was required, those added words must mean something. If you feel you are some kind of righteous saint for advocating birth citizenship despite the parents coming here illegally, I don’t call you names for it. I simply disagree. (who do you think a neutral reader would consider more adult – a person who posts his opinion or the person who has to constantly belittle and name call his opponent?) Birthright citizenship is not the case in most countries, has been revoked in some and is under study in others. Times change.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: You are absolutely ridiculous and repulsive. You keep proving it time and time again. You are now changing the subject in order to try to prove a point. You have nothing and you have neer backed up anything you have said. You also could not follow up on a basic question I asked you about American government. You don’t know anything about amendments or how they work. You are nothing more than a populist right winger who sounds a lot like Trump. By the way, Trump is bringing the entire republican party down in a recent poll.
Native Americans were long abused, so that is really a horrible stupid example you just brought up. You really don’t have a clue about anything. Your thoughts are vindictive, nasty and ridiculous… they are nationalistic too.
You are a total buffoon and you keep proving it time and time again. You can simply “disagree” all you want, but this shows your true colors as a xenophobic bigot who is lashing out on children who have done absolutely nothing wrong. Other countries isn’t a good example, and most other WESTERN countries actually grant citizenship far more easily than the United States. The United States makes it incredibly difficult for anyone to attain citizenship, unless expedited through political asylum. It’s also incredibly expensive.
Birthright citizenship is widespread in just about every other developed country. Times change bullshit. Times change to be more inclusive, not less inclusive. You are a dangerous little mind who needs to stay far away from politics.
Giancarlo85
“Birthright citizenship is not the case in most countries, has been revoked in some and is under study in others. Times change.”
And let me elaborate on this stupid idiocy…
Another one of your laundrylist of lies and distortions you can’t back up. And I bet you would name some developing countries with terrible human rights records to back up that stupid point.
Times change? What is that supposed to mean? The rejection of children simply because of their parents origins? Times change? FUCKING BULLSHIT. I am so tired of that STUPID PHRASE.
Times change to be more INCLUSIVE of immigrants, not LESS INCLUSIVE. Learn how to make an actual argument. “Times change” IS NOT AN ARGUMENT. It’s the ranting of a weak incapable mind like your own.
Giancarlo85
And be careful trying to take the “high route”, you’ve constantly belittled me and been a condescending ass. Anyone can see it on here for themselves. Your hypocrisy is glaring and you continue to do it. You act as if your opinion is higher and more valid than my own, when it really isn’t. And then you cite “other countries” and “times change” as a crux to your shitty argument.
Yes someone like you needs to be called out for what you are… a horrible human being with no respect of other people who wants to take away the protection of people. You are nothing more than a nationalist who has seriously misguided and horribly supported opinions.
Jaroslaw
@Giancarlo85:
I said MOST countries. 164 out of 194 do not grant birthright citizenship.
1EqualityUSA
George Tekei has beautiful teeth. I can’t say this about Trump, because all we see are his lower nubbins protruding behind a fat and ever-moving lower lip. Trump really is a disgusting creature. Money can’t buy it, not what you don’t have.
Robert
@Steven Edward Dunn: Why is that relevant? He’s not a Japanese citizen. He’s an American citizen.
He was born in Los Angeles in 1937….
He knows more about this than you do, no doubt, having lived with his parents in an internment camp during World War 2.
You wouldn’t have said anything along this lines about him if he were first-generation American from a European country (aka… white).
Robert
@Wil Chaney: Perhaps because the original orders banned a specific nation of people (Iranians).
It was not a call to ban entry into the US “All Muslims everywhere”.
Giancarlo85
@Jaroslaw: Mostly developing countries with horrific human rights records. Get a reality check, douchebag!
Jaroslaw
@Giancarlo85: You are the one not living in reality. 164 countries are not mostly developing nations. And for the record, even the 30 that give some kind of birthright citizenship have conditions, few if any have automatic citizenship like the US.
I was going to let this go, but you just can’t make a comment to me without some sort of rude adjective, so I am going to ask you to prove your assertions a few posts ago; QUOTE where I have been condescending and rude to you. Going back to the beginning of this exchange, YOU started the rude name calling. Yes, I said you were pompous. About ONE thing. Do you really think that compares to you telling me I know NOTHING, and I have NEVER backed up any argument? That I am ridiculous, a buffoon and a douchebag? Yes, I have taken the high road and you can repeat and assert until you are dead, proves nothing. And yes, times do change. We did not have the INS/ICE in 1868.