Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand’s bill that would’ve placed an 18 month moratorium on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell dismissals has run out of steam. For now.
After considering putting the legislation up for a vote, she’s decided to table the effort. Officially, it’s because she doesn’t think there are enough votes.
And while we would’ve loved to see senators give an up or down vote on the bill just so we knew where they should, Gillibrand’s strategy was to add the measure to the Defense Department’s budget bill, which is already being used to pass the Matthew Shepard Act.
So, there goes that.
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Bill Perdue
Too few Democrats support GLBT rights to table Clintons ugly bigoted bill DADT.
What a shocker.
InExile
Obama once again did not show any LEADERSHIP on DADT, seems to be his way. Expect more of the same from the Obus, he could not care less about us.
InExile
Funny how Whitehouse.gov no longer mentions repeal of DOMA under the civil rights section of the website.
Bill Perdue
@InExile: Of course, InExile. What did you expect?
Obama is leery of challenging Bill Clinton on his ugly bigoted bills DADT and DOMA. Or Hillary Clinton for her rancid pigheaded opposition to SSM and her support for parts of DOMA and states rights re SSM. Nor is he likely to challenge Biden who voted for bigot Clintons disgusting DOMA.
They’re all Democrats who are just Republicans in drag. Except that Bill Clinton is a Dixiecrat as well.
With Democrats like these who needs Republicans.
Hillary Clinton is a has been.
InExile
@Bill Perdue: Thanks to Nancy Pelosi and Donna Brazil Hillary is a has been, so much for having any true leadership! The Democrats with the power wanted Obama because they knew he would not be strong and really had no experience so they could push him around, so here we are.
Bill Perdue
@InExile: With Democrats like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank and the Clintons who needs Republicans.
The ones who really need the Republicans are the Democrats. They like to pretend that the Republicans are worse than they are, instead of kissing cousins when it comes to all the big issues. Believe it or not, sometimes people are stupid enough to fall for that.
InExile
@Bill Perdue: I know they are all worthless, self serving, bought and paid for by insurance companies, banks, and assorted corporations. I just like to point out we could have been much better off with a stronger President such as Hillary. This guy has no idea what he is doing.
Cam
There was never any intention of going through with this. We boycotted their fundraiser, they had to do something to pretend that they were moving on our rights, then when attention was off they always planned to let it peter out I’m sure.
Bill Perdue
@InExile: “ This guy has no idea what he is doing. So are you saying thats why he’s less dangerous than Clinton would be?
At any rate I disagree. Bill Clinton gave us DOMA, DADT, NAFTA and murdered half a million Iraqi children with his food, medicine and sanitary supplies embargo. Obama’s air forces are killing Afghan civilians with the unerring accuracy of tornados on the hunt for trailer parks, giving away trillions to the looter class and stifling our agenda.
I don’t think we actually want anyone ‘stronger’ doing the same or worse.
InExile
@Cam: No doubt! The signs were all there from the beginning, 2 years ago.
Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
Which brings us back to … drum roll … the Commander-in-Chief … who … despite all the distractions and denials and excuses to the contrary … in FACT … ALREADY has the authority GIVEN TO HIM BY CONGRESS under 10 United States Code 12305 … “Authority of the President to Suspend Certain Laws Relating to Promotion, Retirement, and Separation” … to stop any or all discharges NOW while Congress gets its act together for actual repeal.
“Notwithstanding any other provision of law, during any period members of a reserve component are serving on active duty pursuant to an order to active duty under authority of section 12301, 12302, or 12304 of this title, the President may suspend any provision of law relating to promotion, retirement, or separation applicable to any member of the armed forces who the President determines is essential to the national security of the United States.” – 12305
Ya know…like Dan Choi, Iraqi vet and Arabic speaker when we remain short of linguists….or Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach, 18-yr. combat veteran pilot while “Capt. Mark R. McDowell was killed July 17 in Afghanistan in an F-15E strike fighter plane crash. Capt. Thomas J. Gramith, 27, of Eagan, Minn., also died in the crash.”
The application of “stop-loss”…something that has been used under various authorities to keep gays serving SINCE WORLD WAR II…under 10 USC 12305 would NOT be in contravention of Congress. If they had wanted to give the President power to stop-loss all discharges BUT those of gays THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THAT EXCEPTION in the law.
No less an expert on Congressional authority than Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has said the President CAN and SHOULD do it.
77 of his peers have urged the President to stop-loss under other EXISTING powers under the details of DADT itself. Nearly three weeks after Secty of Defense Robert Gates first dropped the bombshell that they were looking into ways to make “humane” exceptions, he is still claiming, that, “Golly gee, Aunt Bee, we just can’t find ’em. I even asked Otis in the drunk tank. Nuttin’!” – Economic Club of Chicago, Thursday, July 16th, see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GREwi_uH_qI
Everyone else who cares about the issue is aware of the legal analysis explaining exactly how they COULD use EXISTING law to suspend discharges that the Palm Center published on May 11th, nearly two months before Gates bombshell.
http://www.palmcenter.org/files/active/0/ObamaCanHaltGayDischargeswithXOrder5-11-09.pdf
After his June 30th crocodile tears for gays being outed by someone “jilted,” etc., they published an amplified version, more specifically addressing HIS EXISTING powers.
http://www.palmcenter.org/files/active/0/ImplementationInLinewithNationalSecurity.pdf
But, last week, he was still insisting “if it were an easy question I’d have probably gotten an answer back from my general counsel several weeks ago.”
Recall that in his interview with Anderson Cooper just a week or so ago, Mr. Obama confirmed the same alleged intent:
“there’s the possibility, though, that we can change HOW THE LAW IS BEING ENFORCED.”
So what’s the excuse for
1. the DOD’s legal incompetence; have they even READ 10 USC 654…the DADT statute? For instance, it ALREADY says that it is ENTIRELY up to the servicemember’s commanding officer to decide whether someone trying to out someone else has “credible information.” It is ENTIRELY up to the commmanding officer to decided IF discharge proceedings are initiated. You don’t need to be any kind of lawyer, let alone the General Counsel for the Secretary of Defense of the United States of America to find that out…all you need is GOOGLE.
2. the failure of anyone there to acknowledge the Palm Center studies which they MUST be aware of because they have been repeatedly referenced in mainstream media from the “New York Times” to the “Washington Post” [the latter Obambots spinning excuses] to CNN to MSNBC to the PBS “News Hour.” Keith Olbermann has even publicly called the POTUS “goddamn wrong!”
Is this allegedly New Would-Be Humane But Blind DOD an excuse to stall doing anything at all while the Pentagon tail continues to wag the dog? Or are they actually as smart as the proverbial fox, and fear triggering the trap of contradiction of letting some outed gays serve when, by definition, all known gays are bad for unit cohesion, etc., etc.?
EITHER answer is indefensible and, therefore, unacceptable. Obama, Inc., is still just TALKING not DOING anything about, in his own words, “weaken[ing] national security” by continuing to discharge “patriots who often possess critical language skills and years of training and who’ve served this country well” . . . about “the urgency of reversing this policy not just because it’s the right thing to do, but because it is essential for our national security.”
THE LAVENDER ATM REMAINS CLOSED!!!
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schlukitz
@Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com:
Excellent post, as always.
It is glaringly obvious, despite his 14 words tossed in our direction at the NAACP speech, that Obama, Inc. doesn’t like queers, but he knows it is politically incorrect for a president to say that with the nation listening.
So sad that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of LGBT people hinge on the personal bias and bigotry of a President who believes that the only god-approved marriage is one between one man and one woman and enforces that unfair and unfounded belief by supporting the discriminatory laws of the land as he recently did before the DoJ.
Obama, Inc. may, indeed, be a great orator, but actions speak louder than words.
SM
SCREW ALL OF YOU.
Everyone should be dropping EVERYTHING and forcing HEALTHCARE through. Its for EVERYONE.
If Change is not happening its because of the AMERICAN PEOPLE
American is full of ideas, wealth and great people…but we all TREAT EACH OTHER LIKKE SHIT UNLESS ITS FOR US.
Pleople have been trying for Heathcare reform for 60 years and if ITS BLOWN BECAUSE EVERYONE IS ACTING LIKE KIDS AND KICKING AND SCREAMING OVER THEIR OWN SELFFISH BS…YOU deserve everything you get.
spindoc
@SM: You said ”
SCREW ALL OF YOU.
Everyone should be dropping EVERYTHING and forcing HEALTHCARE through. Its for EVERYONE.
If Change is not happening its because of the AMERICAN PEOPLE
American is full of ideas, wealth and great people…but we all TREAT EACH OTHER LIKKE SHIT UNLESS ITS FOR US.
Pleople have been trying for Heathcare reform for 60 years and if ITS BLOWN BECAUSE EVERYONE IS ACTING LIKE KIDS AND KICKING AND SCREAMING OVER THEIR OWN SELFFISH BS…YOU deserve everything you get.”
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TYPICAL privileged Straight person. I”m curious. When is it ok for people to demand equality and civil rights? When is it ok to not want to be treated like second class citizens? You are the exact type of person that would have told Rosa Parks to get back to her seat because shouldn’t she be MORE concerned about the problems with the Soviet Union and Red China.
Explain to me just how you determine what is important and what isn’t? Why is it that basic human rights rank lower on your list than other issues? Oh THATS right, because it doesn’t effect YOU! You get pissy and insulting when a few people on here don’t agree with you and yet call gays selfish for being annoyed that we have been ignored and shit on for generations. You are the worst kind of bigot….one who doesn’t realize she is a bigot.
SM
@spindoc:
You all act like MILLIONS of LGBT would not be helped by health care legislation. Go ahead and fail them!!!!!
strumpetwindsock
@SM:
@SM:
Why do you act like we have to choose one or the other?
Is debate over DADT taking so much energy that it is backlogging everything else and bringing the wheels of government to a halt?
I don’t think so, so please don’t invent a conflict that does not exist.
SM
@strumpetwindsock:
Health Care reform is becoming a disaster and everyone should be focused on it.
Healthcare reform is not the “straight agenda”. In fact it helps you all greatly to GET IT OUT OF THE WAY because you need votes in the Senate.
You all would not know Democratic Strategy if it landed on your head like a ton of bricks.
You only prove you are just as intolerant of those you fight.
Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
THIS is absolutely NOT an “either Obama works on this OR he works on that” situation.
He could be balancing his plate full of health care issues, etc., in one hand while signing a FULLY LEGAL executive order to freeze discharges with his other hand IN LESS THAN FIVE SECONDS.
It’s not like Obama would then have to personally go to every US Armed Forces barracks around the world and put up Madonna posters himself! THAT’s what the Joint Chiefs of Staff are for!
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YGLQQZTHoU0/SW6YcpgdI4I/AAAAAAAAG4E/LEBlPqJs-wU/s400/gay_military.jpg[/img]
InExile
@SM: Health care is necessary but it is not the ONLY ISSUE of the day. After noticing he took his DOMA promise off the website, I couldn’t help but wonder if my first impression of this man was not the correct one. From day one this man has courted the religious right, which was my MAJOR reservation about him from the beginning. The Rick Warren thing just further confirmed my first impression. This man appears to say ANYTHING to remain EVERYONE’S friend buy the proof is just not there for LGBT citizens.
Why should we fight for his agenda when his agenda is always CHANGING with less and less for gay Americans? We have no reason to believe he will do anything or show any leadership on our behalf. Just look how his website of promises has CHANGED since he was sworn in. Explain that!
SM
The problem with the democratic party is that there are too many people in the party that are not really Democrats and do not support the President. There are Senators that are not true Democrats AND THERE ARE LGBT PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT TRUE DEMOCRATS. You all get mad at Senators that don’t vote on your issues but you all are not TRUE DEMOCRATS EITHER!
That is what is wrong with the Party.
The Democrats need to kick people out of the Party that are not true Democrats…even the LGBT people
Bill Perdue
@Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com: @SM:
@Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com: continues to lambast Obama for enforcing the disgusting bigoted laws Clinton signed, DADT and DOMA. He refuses to discuss, let alone admit that Clintons championing of various pro-big business, anti-union, anti-consumer laws produced the current economic failure. The Clinton Presidency was a disaster, setting the stage for today’s unemployment rate of about 15%. He doesn’t call for an investigation by an International War Crimes Tribunal of the murder of close to half a million children by Clinton’s embargo on food, sanitary supplies and medicines.
Anyone who thinks that the point of repealing DADT is to enhance the oil wars is an enemy of the antiwar and GLBT movements. Or reasons for repealing DADT are to help end the military bigotry codified with Clinton’s signature, not to help kill Afghans, Iraqis and Pakistanis.
SM blames everyone anyone who dares criticize Obama for his by now routine and open opposition to our agenda. He refuses to admit to Obama’s continuation of the Clinton-
Bush wars and the fact that Obama is a panting, tail-wagging lap dog of the rich and enemy of working people.
The ludicrous thing about the Obot-Clintonista wars is that these shills are flogging a dead horse. All factions of the Democrat Party and their Republican cousins’ work together to scuttle any part of our agenda that threatens to lead to fundamental reforms. They cooperate to keep the wars going and to feed the ravenous appetites of the looter rich at the expense or working people.
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schlukitz
@SM:
And there are privileged straight people like you who are not true LGBT supporters and just come to this site so you can insult and bash queers.
When is someone going to kick your ass off this site, I wonder?
Bill Perdue
@schlukitz: It’ll probably never happen. Queerty allows all kinds of right wing LGBT hating scum to say what ever they want.
All we can do is make them feel unwanted or ignore them but if they revel in their hatred there’s not much at all we can do. The only one like that who disappeared was ChurchillY, a blatant, neo-nazi David Duke clone. But I don’t remember Queerty saying they’d kicked him out.
Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
Earth to Planet OCCD [Obsessive Compulsive Clinton Disorder]! Earth to Planet OCCD.
Message: “Clinton still no longer POTUS. Repeat—Clinton STILL no longer POTUS.”
Transmission end.
Bill Perdue
@Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com: No. But he is still a bigot.
ben
“The Democrats need to kick people out of the Party that are not true Democrats…even the LGBT people”
If Obama doesn’t follow through with his promises to gay voters, you’ll get your wish. I’ll vote third party. I don’t give a shit if those promises aren’t “important” enough for you to expect him to keep.
InExile
@Bill Perdue:OK fine say Bill is a bigot, which he isn’t, but Hillary is not Bill!
SM
@ben:
No one expects him not to follow through!
Women FOUGHT in AMERICA for 70 YEARS just to have the right to VOTE. You are not the only people ever discriminated against.
Can you vote?
Bill Perdue
@InExile: Ok. Hillary Clinton is a right wing religious nut who panders to bigots, like most Democrat party leaders, especially Obama. She also supports the oil wars and is a lap dog of the rich. Etc.
SM
@Bill Perdue:
LGBT people supported Hillary. I’ve never supported or voted for a Clinton.
schlukitz
@SM:
You are not the only people ever discriminated against.
And you are not the homophobic cunt to land on this site.
Can you vote?
Can you chew gum and scratch your ass as the same time?
InExile
@SM: So you supported the Obus?
schlukitz
Typo: “And you are not the only homophobic cunt to land on this site.”
SM
@schlukitz:
So now I’m a homophobic cunt?
Thanks for proving you are EXACTLY what you claim to hate!
I have a gay brother you fucking idiot.
InExile
@SM: Yes we vote and we have been taken by a snake oil salesman. No Action, just bla, bla, bla. It’s OK, we are used to it!
schlukitz
@InExile:
SM, judging by her stupit comments on these threads, would probably not know the difference between a voting lever and a joy stick!
schlukitz
@SM:
I have a gay brother you fucking idiot.
That doesn’t prove that you are not homophobic…or a cunt!!!
SM
@schlukitz:
Nah…maybe if LGBT were out sticking up for the homeless and people needing healthcare instead of bashing women and calling them homophobic cunts, people would respect your fight more.
InExile
@schlukitz: Be careful, he’s going to get all hopey and changey now, you will tingle down to your toes!
InExile
@SM: Maybe we need our rights first so WE CAN HELP others?
SM
@InExile:
Can I forward all this to my democratic friends in e-mails? Let them see who you all act
If you want to Bash Democrats…Lets SHOW THE DEMOCRATS!
schlukitz
LOL@InExile
SM
@schlukitz:
You all act like Barbarians all day long on a PUBLIC INTERNET and you wonder why you can’t get 60 votes in the Senate.
Fucking brain dead…
schlukitz
Now, see what you’ve all gone and done?
SM is gonna tell the teacher on us!
Dang. I hate reporting to the Principal’s Office.
InExile
Some democrats are great, like the ones that help LGBT citizens. I’m not sure you are one of those by your comments??? All you do is bash everyone on this site that tries to make a difference. Obviously hope and change isn’t going to help us, we are on our own again. So save your righteous crap!
schlukitz
@SM:
Oh…and it’s Mr. Conan to you.
Not fucking idiot! LOL
strumpetwindsock
@SM:
I didn’t say anything at all about holding up healthcare reform.
I am saying there is no evidence that DADT is holding up any other piece of legislation, and no reason why the two cannot be pursued at the same time.
Are you aware of any government in any country, EVER that dropped everything else on its plate to focus on one issue. That didn’t happen even in the middle of World War Two.
And there’s another reason why it has never happened – because there is no conflict and no reason why a number of issues cannot be pursued in the same legislative sitting.
You are just pretending there is a dilemma when in fact there is none.
schlukitz
This just in from Yahoo: A bit of-topic, admittedly, but too good to let pass:
NEWARK, N.J. – An investigation into the sale of black-market kidneys and fake Gucci handbags evolved into a sweeping probe of political corruption in New Jersey, ensnaring more than 40 people Thursday, including three mayors, two state lawmakers and several rabbis.
And we all wonder why no one is paying attention to the plight of gay people. Are you reading, SM???
Here’s the URL:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_on_re_us/us_nj_corruption_arrests
SM
@strumpetwindsock:
If you want Democrats to start taking on dividing issues you better darn beleive they need some leverage like passing good health care legislation. Its too bad you all cannot see that.
You all act like your civil rights are sooooo important and you talk about them next to posts about people in their underware etc.
uhhh…stop expecting anyone to take YOU SERIOUSLY!
SM
You know a persons civil rights in the United States are of national importance when the group discriminated against is posting about their issues right next to the Hottest Guys in New York City!
schlukitz
@SM:
uhhh…stop expecting anyone to take YOU SERIOUSLY!
No more than we would expect anyone to take you seriously.
In fact, one would have to ask themselves why anyone, with a shred of dignity and self-respect, would keep coming back to a site where they are so tormented and held up to ridicule?
Masochist much, do you?
M Shane
@ · SM I agree with you on the point that gay people are expecting way to much for themselves way too fast. I wonder who called their cogressman about the Healthcare vote tomorrow? or are they fretting because Gay people can’gt go out and fight an illegal and merciless war(like most everything since WW2).
I don’t understand why the anti DADT people are so hurried to have gay people out there murdering people becaus there hasn’t been time to stop the Iraq war?
The one thing that nobody reaklly grasps is that a democrat won only because the Republicans had made such asses of themselves and didn’t promise anymore than Sarah Palin in his place(given McCains possible death).
Obama is sitting on a hornets nest of right wing sentament and is not going to get anywhere pushing things down peoples throats: his stuation doesn’t merit that- it has nothing to do with him.
The Democratic party was fucked up before as you all know and its’s not much better. This is a right wing country: ask anyone from a normal industrialised country. Obama has a much more difficult battle than anyone gives him credit for figting. He he could do more I suspect he would.
SM
@M Shane:
LGBT people think if the Democrats can’t ram through their entire agenda first, we are blowing them off. They hate and bash Democrats more than vice versa.
Democrats work with the system we have in place in America. Its not perfect. Far from it. Obama is not a God. A vote for Obama was never a guarantee the Senate or House would not be an issue. It does not mean we are blowing off the LGBT agenda.
You either have a strategy and work with the system in place or you spin your wheels for another 50 years.
schlukitz
@M Shane:
SM I agree with you on the point that gay people are expecting way to much for themselves way too fast.
Of course you would…homo loathers that you both appear to be.
About your spelling and writing skills:
1. cogressman
2. becaus
3. reaklly
4. sentament
5. figting
6. He he could do more I suspect he would.
And that’s just a few of the more glaring grammatical errors contained in your post.
Let me ask you a question?
Would you send this to YOUR Congressman and expect him to do anything for you?
SM
Americans go home at night at worry about losing their health care. They worry about never being able to change jobs because of a preexisting condition. If Obama and the Democrats score that victory and take that worry away, they can turn and expect those people to give you full equality and votes.
schlukitz
@SM:
It does not mean we are blowing off the LGBT agenda.
Oh really?
Then, for starters, how do you explain Obama removing campaign promises that he made from his website?
schlukitz
@SM:
This promise, specifically:
http://americansfortruth.com/news/white-house-pulls-anti-doma-language-from-website.html
SM
@schlukitz: @schlukitz:
Uhh…Queerty writers don’t give a flip about spell check either.
You should be the poster child for what fucking hypocrits LGBT people are. You all OWN HATE
SM
@schlukitz:
My brother cares about health care. I’ve fought for LGBT rights with my time money and resources. I no longer take the time.
SM
The Religious Right is full of hate filled bigots.
The LGBT Community is full of hate filled bigots.
Gotta love it!
TANK
@SM:
Do you? Do you have to love it?
TANK
@SM:
We gotta get this burned out fag hag a man, STAT!
hawkeyejunior
U guys are pretty mean-tempered. I like and respect Hillary Clinton. I also like Barack Obama. I think he needs to work on his gay rights agenda ALOT, but he’s not bad. Hillary is fuckin cool. get over yourselves.
Reform isn’t going to happen without someone as popular and transformational as President Obama taking the lead.
schlukitz
@SM:
Uhh…as usual, you didn’t answer the question. You do that a lot, you know? Are the questions too difficult for you? Allow me to put it to you again.
How do you explain Obama removing campaign promises that he made from his website? This promise, specifically…
http://americansfortruth.com/n…..bsite.html
schlukitz
@hawkeyejunior:
U guys are pretty mean-tempered
When you have a steady entourage of homophobic straights like SM tramping through a site intended for gays, belittling, berating, insulting and slurring the LGBT posters, it tends to make some of us a bit mean-tempered after awhile.
If you beat a dog long enough, eventually he will turn on you and bite.
SM
@schlukitz:
Always the victim…Maybe you should look to fix the problems in your own community.
I will act like I want towards idiots that keep my brother from a better life.
SM
I posted this a few days ago…
Obama survivied Chicago politics. You think he cares about people acting like jerks? You think he is weak? Try again.
Queerty puts Obama in the headlines because he is an easy target and they make money. If they were interested in LGBT issues they would be focused on the Democrats who are not supporting his agenda.
Posted: Jul 20, 2009 at 4:34 pm
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“I’m from Chicago, I don’t break” President Barack Obama, July 23, 2009
You all can bash and name call me all you want. Every single thing I have said comes to light. Every single suggestion I have ever made to LGBT people for over 9 months- they start doing months later. You all lash out at straight people and label them and you want respect? You name call and have all these categories. Straight people could fight your battles better and smarter than you but you are too busy HATING THEM, BLAMING and STILL NOT REACHING FULL EQUALITY. You all name call more than any “heteros” I’ve ever met.
schlukitz
@SM:
Blah. Blah. Blah.
You still haven’t answered the question.
How do you explain Obama removing campaign promises that he made from his website? This promise, specifically…
http://americansfortruth.com/n…..bsite.html
SM
@schlukitz:
There are nothing but error messages on that site.
But you are still a loser who bashes women~
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SM
@schlukitz:
Hey Bigot that bashes women- I tend to look at the White House website and not some propoganda BS.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Wrongs-that-We-Intend-to-Right-Today/
schlukitz
@SM:
Here’s another URL…one of many that a quick Google will reveal if you weren’t so fucking lazy and anxious to side-step the question I put to you, you asshole.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/01/white-house-removes-dont_n_194577.html
schlukitz
@SM:
I tend to look at the White House website and not some propoganda BS.
Bet you think the earth is flat too, eh? Who pays any attention to junk science?
So tell me, what do you see about DOMA on whitehouse.gov?
schlukitz
@SM:
But you are still a loser who bashes women~
Only dumb cunts, fag-bashers and disingenuous liars like you, sweetheart
SM
@schlukitz: @schlukitz:
LGBT hatred and bigotry runs deep….and I don’t lie
SM
@schlukitz:
Hey Bigot and Woman Basher…you know you can make copies of things all over Queerty of you all bashing other groups!
schlukitz
@SM:
How do you explain Obama removing campaign promises that he made from his website?
SM
@schlukitz:
His website is constantly changing and updating. Are you that insecure that you need the White House website to be EXACTLY the same every day?
Are you 3?
SM
@schlukitz:
Dear Obama,
Don’t change the White House website EVER. That means you are a FAKE and a PHONEY and SCHLUKITZ can turn bright red in the face and stomp his feet.
stomp stomp stomp
SM
How many LGBT in the military are discharged under DADT because THEY WANT TO BE AND TURN THEMSELVES IN.
How many LGBT people in the military are discharged because a HATE FILLED ANGRY LGBT lover is vindictive and it has nothing to do with your straight hate.
ITS A FACT!
schlukitz
@SM:
You are one fucking piece of work, lady.
Do you see how you dance around the issues? Four times, I asked you the same question. You never answered it and it is obvious to me that hell will freeze over before you ever do.
Need more be said?
SM
@schlukitz:
Four times? You called me a CUNT so you will probably have to ask me a million times. I don’t have to give you the time of day if you asked.
Stop denying the FACT your equality has issues in your OWN COMMUNITY including YOUR RAGE
SM
@schlukitz:
You want to learn about LGBT in the military..
ASK THEM
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/27819558/m/1080004712001
SM
@schlukitz:
LGBT using the DADT to GET OUT of the military. It has nothing to do with “straight hate”
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/27819558/m/8030027622001
SM
Thank GOD people in the Military have more confidence in Obama and DADT than some of you.
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/27819558/m/6020013722001
InExile
@SM: The website only changes when he decides to drop a few more rights for gay citizens. At this rate the page will be blank by Thanksgiving.
KyleR
I can no longer read the comment sections on anything related to the military. Nearly everything said about the military is just short of ‘baby killers.’
I am former military. I was only in US Navy, but my last command had people that worked closely with the Army and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan. Saying that the ‘Air Force is killing Afgan civilians with unerring accuracy’ is pure lunacy.
Have you been in a situation where you have to use grainy video to figure out if the gathering of people with guns is a wedding, a funeral or a terrorist meeting? No? Then how about you shut the hell up!! When bombs are dropped, regardless if its from at F-16/F-18/F-22 flying at a few thousand feet or a Predator UAV piloted by someone in Nevada, there is a long ass check list regarding the approval for that bomb drop. And this is war people!! And in war, people die. And when the wrong decision is made based on the intelligence on hand, innocent civilians die. And if you compare our current conflicts with every other on in our history, you will see that the causalities suffered are low. Civilian and military. And hell, even some of those that have died in Afghanistan and Iraq are gay or lesbian. ‘Traitors’ as I’m sure some of you think they are. You know, serving and protecting the country that they love even though it doesn’t love them. Ensuring that a bunch of judgmental, fat, bitchy old queens are able to second guess and pass judgment on these people from the safety of their god damned living rooms.
When you people take and make a sacrifice for your country, then you can say something. Until, SHUT THE HELL UP!!
And I have a question for all of you? How can we change things if we stay on the outside and yell in? Is that really going to change any stereotype about gay people? All you have to do is look at Perez Hilton and that whole beauty queen blow up. they won’t equality but they won’t dish it out.
And regarding DADT. I never had a problem. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. That command I was at last, I was completely out. People knew I was gay. Then knew I had a boyfriend. No one fucking cared. I never had a problem. Maybe it was the community I worked in and with that’s different. I don’t know. But no one cared as long as I showed up on time, did my work and didn’t cause trouble.
And I agree with some of the things SM said, people in the LGBT community can be just as narrow minded and stupid and bigoted as those against the community. Sometimes to find a bigot, all you have to do is look in the mirror.
schlukitz
@InExile:
Thank you, InExile. Trying to get SM to acknowledge that simple fact, is like trying to pull hens teeth.
She prefers to ignore the obvious by dazzling us with her brilliance, and baffling us with her bullshit!
But then again, that’s what Obamabats do, isn’t it?
Obama could shit on their Karastan carpet, and they would be joyously happy and abundant in their praise of him for having done so.
schlukitz
@SM:
Thank GOD people in the Military have more confidence in Obama and DADT than some of you.
Some people love the flavor of KoolAid.
schlukitz
@SM:
Stop denying the FACT your equality has issues in your OWN COMMUNITY including YOUR RAGE
Rage? As far as I can see, you’re the one doing all the shouting on these threads.
schlukitz
@SM:
How many LGBT in the military are discharged under DADT because THEY WANT TO BE AND TURN THEMSELVES IN.
How many LGBT people in the military are discharged because a HATE FILLED ANGRY LGBT lover is vindictive and it has nothing to do with your straight hate.
More screeching and shouting.
IT’S A FACT!,/I>
Umm…simply making a statement is not fact. It’s simply your opinion…which is to say bullshit!
Please provide some empiracal evidence to back-up your “fact”.
Cam
@SM: Said “You all act like MILLIONS of LGBT would not be helped by health care legislation. Go ahead and fail them!!!!!”
____________________________________________________________
And you act like Congress can only do one thing at a time. Hey, Passing non-smoking laws and outlawing cigarrettes would save many gays from getting lung cancer, should we move on that law and ignore our rights too? The fact is, you want to pretend that you are pro-gay, but you will use ANY excuse to block our rights. Congress has delayed the Health Care bill until after the August Recess, they could still work on dozens of other bills in the last week they are in session. So whats your excuse NOW why they shouldn’t vote on our rights…since they’ve ALREADY postponed the discussing the health care legislations. Come on bigot, now you have to think of ANOTHER reason why they shouldn’t vote on gay issues.
As for gay military…Sweetie, many of us on here are either in the military, dating somebody in the military, have gay friends in the military or have ex’s who are military, so you may want to stop trying to use the fact that you’ve read one article on DADT as proof that you understand anything about the subject.
I’m curious. When your gay brother visits and then leaves do you wash everything he’s touched in the apartment?
SM
@Cam:
Obama has not focused on people with disabilities either. Stop acting like you are the only people in the US with issues! Just the ASSHOLES
SM
@Cam:
Here CAM…track your Obama rage. We all know Obama should have put the ENTIRE LGBT agenda first, in front of ALL OTHER ISSUES. LGBT People voted for HILLARY and NOT OBAMA IN THE PRIMARIES when WE WORKED HARD. But put those CRYBABIES that attack us, call us cunts, and don’t support us on other issues FIRST ON EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
schlukitz
@Cam:
Cam, bless your heart (and everyone else’s as well) for trying to get SM to see the light of day. As the old adage goes, there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
I am afraid that we are all pissing in the wind, however. SM simply turns the Vornado fan in our direction so that it splashes back to hit us in the eye.
Jim Jones proved to us, conclusively, that people who drink the KoolAid cannot be reasoned with. They just follow the leader blindly because they are not capable of logic or reason. SM believes everything that emanates from Obama’s Ofal Office.
SM is also apparently oblivious to the fact that Obama stuck his foot in his mouth, yet once again, with his attack on the men in blue in Massachusetts.
Cambridgegate could well become the final nail in the political coffin of Mr. Obama and could very well be the decisive factor in whether he will enjoy a second term in the White House.
Somehow, me thinks not. Sorry SM. You will get over it, I’m sure.
TeleUte83
@Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com: Sec 12305 (the stop-loss clause) wouldn’t cover Choi or any other SM of the Reserve Component not on Title 10 Federal orders.
It wouldn’t cover many Reserve Component SMs who are deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, or Egypt as the ARNG, at least, has been putting many of them on Title 32 Federal orders.
It also wouldn’t cover many of the thousands of full-time ANG and ARNG airmen and soldiers (most AGRs fall under 32 USC.
However, he could fight to be retained as an officer in the NYARNG. Technically, as officers, we have two commissions, one from the Governor of our state, and the other from the President. The requirements are the same for both appointments, but technically, I believe, a state would theoretically be able to retain an officers even if the federal component decided to separate one.
Since Choi wasn’t serving on federal orders when he came out, and is still not on federal orders, the state has control over him. The Army could decide to discharge him, but the NYARNG could decide to uphold his state commission. That would be a battle for the Supreme Court to settle (that is if the Justices granted cert).
BOTTOM LINE:
DADT needs to be repealed and UCMJ must be amended. Don’t implement stop-loss for LGBT SMs pending involuntary separation. DADT is Congress’ responsibility. UCMJ falls under the DoD and thus Obama.
Peddling to Obama to save LGBT troops using the stop-loss policy that is already so controversial, that may or may not actually be valid, obviates the pressure needed on Congress. Likewise, pressing Congress alone to get the job done
TeleUte83
takes the pressure off of Obama, who needs to exercise leadership not only for the nation, but also over the DoD.
schlukitz
@SM:
Obama has not focused on people with disabilities either.
Truth is, Obama has not focused on much of anything in the five plus months he has been in the Ofal Office, has he?
No matter. Your hero just blew the whole racial divide in this country wide open with CambridgeGate. Not only is he a homophobe, he’s just shown himself to be a racist as well.
He’s toast, sweetheart.
schlukitz
@SM:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_harvard_scholar
SM
@TeleUte83:
Obama had nothing to do with DADT
Congress made the mess, Congress cleans it up.
LOL at you thinking Obama is not under more PRESSURE than you will ever know each day. Takes pressure off Obama! LOL!!!!!!
SM
This whole thread is almost 100 posts…I will fall off my chair if people actually figure out its San Francisco Pelosi and Reid they should be mad at.
tick tock tick tock
TeleUte83
@SM: He is the commander-in-chief and has jurisdiction over the DoD, which is in charge of the UCMJ that governs the lives of every SM on active duty. Remember, DADT isn’t the only thing that has to be amended.
SM
@TeleUte83:
Congress needs to change the MILITARY UNIFORM CODE!!!!!!!!!!
SM
Its a fact that people get discharged from the military from more reasons that just DADT. Like it or not the President of the United States has to be careful to not act like he favors certain military soldiers over others.
The law needs to change in CONGRESS.
Any LGBT in the military NOW, knew about DADT BEFORE they went in.
Many LGBT soldiers use DADT to get OUT because they want OUT.
TeleUte83
@SM: UCMJ is USC, but can be amended by the President through Executive Order.
SM
@TeleUte83:
Congress can overturn an Executive Order. Congress can screw up an Exective Order with other legislation or denying legislation.
Obama issues an EO and Congress blows off DADT because they don’t want to deal with it. Obama leaves office and you have possibly FUCKED many LGBT military people with the next President over your irrational stance on the issue.
CONGRESS! GO AFTER CONGRESS!
SM
@schlukitz:
What’s your point woman bashing bigot?
Obama has also taken the time to send hand written letters to gay military people concerning DADT. You can’t put a price tag on that piece of history in your posession.
SM
I bet many of the Obama haters here spent more time on Queerty during the Prop 8 Campaign than making sure EVERY voter in California, Newspapers, Flyers, Democrat…saw this.
Just think, a copy of this could have been on every door the weekend before the election. It’s Obamas fault.
http://obama.3cdn.net/b7c073b7316f922514_q6m6y7so7.pdf
schlukitz
@SM:
What’s your point woman bashing bigot?
The point is that your her is just another fucked-up human being with his own bias’ and character flaws. He not Gawd. He’s not Jesus and he is not the savior you make him out to be.
And I have the un-nerving feeling that this will not be the only piece of dirt that will be dug up on him, now that he has opened up the dam of racial hatred in the USA once again.
‘Scofflaw’ Obama Grudge Against Cambridge Police?
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_parking_tickets/2009/07/23/239549.html?s=al&promo_code=840D-1
schlukitz
Typo: Her should read hero.
InExile
@schlukitz: Comment #98 That was nice of the President to apologize to the police officer, guess too much bad press? I do not remember him issuing an apology to gays for the DOMA brief, did he issue one?
InExile
@SM: Didn’t YES ON PROP 8 use Obama’s voice in robo calls saying marriage is between a man and a woman?
schlukitz
@InExile:
Nope. Not once have I ever heard the President apologize to the gays…about anything.
Not when the Donnie McClurkin fiasco occurred.
Not when the Rick Warren Fiasco occurred.
Not when the gay Episcopal Bishop, Jean Robinson, was cut off the airwaves during the Presidential Inauguration Ceremony.
Not when he withdrew his campaign promise to end DOMA from his website.
Not when he made a joke about gays while at the California Black Tie Affair while gays chanted across the street.
And certainly not when he defended DOMA in front of the DoJ.
Guess I just had an infucktion in my ear on all those occasions that prevented me from hearing any of his apologies.
Either that, or the President just doesn’t give rat’s ass about the feelings and sensibilities of millions of LGBT people.
After all, as a percentile of the white community, we’re hardly worth taking note of…except at DNC Fund-Raising time, of course!
Acknowledgement, yes.
Action or apologies to LGBT people…not so much!
schlukitz
Typographical omission: “As a percentile of the white and black community…”
InExile
@schlukitz: It really is sad, I was so hopeful in the beginning thinking maybe this guy would actually care about us. As they say, the proof is in the Pudding. Guess we are just the bottom of the barrel for him. It’s a shame because if we did not have to place ALL of our focus on our rights we could be working in the field to make his policies happen. I guess democrats are not interested in our money anymore or being re-elected by us? Maybe some pro-equality Republican candidates will come along?
schlukitz
@InExile:
I don’t mean to come-off sounding like a harbinger of doom and gloom, but with the very real possibility of Obama’s career being merely a four-banger administration, that leaves Plucky-Palin and Fuckabee lurking ominously in the background for the Repubabus to run over us with in 1012…and that makes me verrrry nervous.
A third party is beginning to look more and more like a very necessary alternative.
Elsewise, Glen and I will be sitting out the next election for sure.
We don’t want to be part of the carnage.
schlukitz
Correction: 2012
InExile
@schlukitz: I will be sitting out the next election also unless we see an about face soon. I will no longer give away my vote for hope and neither will my family, we are a block of 9 votes.