We’ll admit, the news cycle is remarkably short and people’s memories are even shorter, but how is it possible that famed designer (and billionaire) Giorgio Armani could forget the backlash his fellow Italian designers Dolce and Gabbana faced over their divisive comments about gays? It’s only been a month — what kind of Bulgari-shit is this?
In an interview with The Sunday Times Magazine, Armani, 80, who himself is openly gay, criticized femininity in gay style (Russell Tovey, anyone?), saying:
“A homosexual man is a man 100 per cent. He does not need to dress homosexual. When homosexuality is exhibited to the extreme – to say: ‘Ah, you know I’m homosexual,’ – that has nothing to do with me. A man has to be a man.”
We’re not calling for a witch hunt or anything, but what is it with people taking their personal taste and making broad, damaging generalizations lately?
Last month, Dolce and Gabbana came under fire for saying, “We oppose gay adoptions. The only family is the traditional one. No chemical offsprings and rented uterus: life has a natural flow, there are things that should not be changed.”
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In the same interview in which Armani said that “a man has to be a man,” he also gave his opinions on some other trends in the gay community.
“I don’t like muscle boy,” he said. “Not too much gym! I like somebody healthy, somebody solid, who looks after his body but doesn’t use his muscles too much.”
We agree with you there, Giorgio. But that’s a long way off from saying “men shouldn’t be too muscly,” which seems to be the tone of the previous quote.
Here’s a photo of Armani in a very manly white scrote tote, just because:
h/t: Independent
Melinda Kaye
Morons !!!! 🙂
Gregg Jabarisidiki
I’m not defending him , but I understand what he means as far as when it comes to his brand and team designing for men .
Reniel N' Michael
Why should anyone listen to fashion advice from someone who allows those awful skin tight Lycra Armani Exchange t-shirts to exist?
Carlos Zuniga
Well, no one said they were smart or clever
Craig Houghton
Maybe he should stop making gay looking clothes for men. Dude – is that a velour jacket. No she didn’t!
Robby Robinson
he’s as old as the Bible who give a sh*t what paw paw has to say….next
Craig Marker
If I wanted to date someone with a snatch, I’d date a woman.
Jimmy Lee
These are his designs… homo say what???
Jackie Murphy
These ding dongs should just stick to what they know, making ridiculously over priced clothes then run with the money. Oh yeah, (and) pay your taxes (d&g) like the rest of us do
Realitycheck
Technically homosexual is man that likes another man, hence man
and masculine characteristics.
So from that point of view he did not say anything wrong.
Today we use the word Gay to describe homosexuality in general,
and that brings the questions do gay and homosexual words have
the same meaning?
Or does the word gay encompass something more such as Fems
and cross dressers and drag queens and leather guys and so on?
If I understand correctly; Armani simply said I like my gay man,
to dress like a man…..
Realitycheck
@Craig Marker: LOL
It used to be, If I wanted a woman I would date a real one……
Louie Mars
Oh, shut up, you old queen…
Gary Franklyn Mosby
I agree.
Stephen Sottile
Italy is very old fashioned in some ways, this is not an unusual view. He also is gay, respect his right to have an opinion.
Glücklich
It must be said that English is Mr. Armani’s SECOND language and whatever was doubtless lost in translation is the thing that could temper any backlash against his remark.
I’m a John Varvatos man myself.
Paco
How does one dress homosexual? A poor choice of words I am guessing, unless he is saying gay men should appear to be heterosexual with their clothing choices.
I’m so over the fem shaming within our “community”.
Edgar Marroquin
wearing designer clothes seems kinda gay to me.
Caesar Lazaro
This is what happens when Label Whores escalate the WRONG people and not Support those doing right by Community. ..
Brian Cherry
I can’t believe I’m being lectured on masculinity by an over bronzed fashion designer. He’s a walking gay stereotype.
Jay Willard Abbit
He has a point.
*throws away all Armani clothes*
Prinny
It seems brain cells are dying far too fast in these people.They should learn to not sh*t where they eat .
Jay Willard Abbit
In response:
Jay Willard Abbit
Armani’s design from fashion week:
Ronbo
You fellas are right: he doesn’t have a right to his own opinion. Bitches!
Jeff Eiselman
No mori Armani!
Desert Boy
The old coot needs to SFTU. It’s 2015. People are free to dress however they want.
Jordan Walker
According to you bitch . I will decide what I have to be as a man
Luke Bracken
I agree with Georgio just look at the men in Australia the straights dress gay and the gays dress straight God love ta Georgio always ahead f the times
Charles I. Mumford
My eyes are literally rolling back in my head at this!!!!! Not cool Giorgio!!!
TomMc
I hope he didn’t mean exactly what he said.
Dieter Michaels
Do we all have to be Orange and riddled with skin cancer too?
Dakotahgeo
And WHO the fuck gives a shit about what Armani says??
Zio Nocsg de Janeiro
moron. does that mean we stop wearing armani? DONE!
flexdoc
Maybe gay men should stop wearing Armani
dave lopes
Cut the bull, you guys know exactly what he is talking about.
He is talking about ALL MEN, he did not say just gay men.
Too gay simply mans too feminine.
And he is simply saying what he likes and does not like.
Chris
If a man wears something, that is how some men dress. I may not dress like that; but that’s just me. To insist that all men dress a certain strikes me as a touch over-bearing and insulting.
Tom Gouzoules
His clothes are the best and have worn them for decades( fabrics that are the best) but this attitude is so wrong on many levels.
Tim Cobb
FUCKWIT
DuMaurier
I’m not enough of a fashion maven to judge HIS designs in context of his comments, but it sounds to me like he’s talking about effeminacy versus traditional masculinity, and coming down on the latter side, which doesn’t directly have anything to do with sexual orientation. Maybe his opinion is fusty and old-fashioned, but it’s not anti-gay.
Billy Budd
I dress like a man and I do not like muscled up guys. His comments were actually harmless opinions. People get angry just because he is influential. What the D&G guys said, on the other hand, was pretty serious and should be criticized.
avesraggiana
Is there a way to get to eighty years old and NOT end up with a body like that?
Mark Ilvonen
the man has an opinion about what he likes. Stop being so catty and judgey.
DarkZephyr
@dave lopes: Yes a**hole and we are allowed to express what WE like and don’t like, and stupid comments like his some of us don’t like. Get it?
@Billy Budd: “People get angry just because he is influential.”
Exactly. Influential people should be more careful about what they say.
Giancarlo85
@DuMaurier: Sounds like a pile of BS to me. I’m androgynous and proud of it. I won’t listen to this ignorant ass.
And yes, his opinion is anti-gay. It’s anti-gay against people like myself.
And Billy, while his opinions are pretty much nonsensical, they aren’t harmless. When you are in a position of power, your opinions are influential and perhaps dangerous.
Giancarlo85
@dave lopes: “Too gay simply mans too feminine.”
Yeah he’s an insecure a-hole like you.
TemptyK
I don’t see how what you like or think should influence other people’s behavior. You don’t like buffed up guys? Who the fuck cares?!
Giancarlo85
@TemptyK: Who are you talking to? No one I presume?
Paco
He should be less worried about how some gay men are dressing and worry about those tits he has hanging on his chest. Not very masculine.
Jacob23
I think that the usual screechers didn’t take a minute to understand what he was saying. He said that gay men are 100% men. That is correct. His statement is not about effeminacy, because he also puts down muscle boys. His point is that gay men are 100% men in their own right and they don’t have to act out in one extreme or the other out of any sense of insecurity. We can be comfortable in our own status as men and we don’t need to run away from it or exaggerate it.
IMHO, the invention of “LGBT” in the late 1990s sent a false message to the world, i.e., that gay men and women are linked at the level of identity to transsexuals and hermaphrodites. In other words, being a gay man means that you are not fully a man in the sense that a straight man is and being a lesbian means that you are not fully a woman as a straight woman is. And that message is a lie. LGBT undermined what the gay movement had sought to teach the world. So it is great to see someone of Armani’s stature issue a corrective.
VampDC
Agreed!!!
Eloweez Rainbowz
To gay?
jwtraveler
Gay liberation is about the right to define our own lives and live them as we see fit. I don’t need Giorgio Armani, Dolce & Gabbani, Bryan Fischer or Bobby Jindal telling me how to live my life. It’ none of their f—ing business, or anyone else’s for that matter.
Giancarlo85
@Jacob23: I think you’re not understanding what other people are saying. He implied fem guys are not being real men. This is a pile of crap. I’ve seen fem guys be more secure of themselves then so called masc men (much like yourself since you’re super insecure).
“His point is that gay men are 100% men in their own right and they don’t have to act out in one extreme or the other out of any sense of insecurity.”
He never said that. You are distorting and twisting what he said to make him look better.
“IMHO, the invention of “LGBT” in the late 1990s sent a false message to the world, i.e., that gay men and women are linked at the level of identity to transsexuals and hermaphrodites.”
The first part of this post is important… the “IMHO” part. The rest is just an opinion piece that has little relevance to the facts. And no it wasn’t in the late 1990s. Trans people were part of the movement for decades, including during Stonewall. This is historical fact. Dispute it all you like, but again… it’s just your opinion.
” And that message is a lie. LGBT undermined what the gay movement had sought to teach the world.”
Except nobody was equating gay men to trans people… and only said the struggle for equality and just treatment in society was similar. But then again someone can use your farcical statement to say “the struggle for gay people isn’t anything like that of women’s rights or African American rights”.
You basically used the same argument religious fundamentalists use against us. It is at this point your entire argument collapses. Sorry. I had to say it… your argument has totally and utterly collapsed because it is based on a logical fallacy (strawman).
Paco
@Jacob23: Well I see the usual apologists have come out as well. Being comfortable in our status as men can mean we can wear a fucking skirt if we want to and not subscribe to his idea of men that makes his loins get moist and his old titties weep. I have known and dated more than a few men that liked to dress more flamboyantly and it is downright offensive for people to try and invalidate them as men by saying they are being exaggerated.
I’ve got big news for you sweetheart…
Gay men have been viewed by the world as less than men long before the 1990s. And that goes for ALL gay men, not just the fem ones. LGBT didn’t undermine anything. It empowered us. All of us.
Johnathan-Perry O'Brien
Really
Saint Law
He design evening gowns for FFS. But, you know, as long as he doesn’t wear them eh.
Saint Law
Here’s the thing: olde stylee traditional masculine men tend to not go on about it all the fucking time.
It’s only chronically insecure milksops – homo and hetero – who feel the need to police not only themselves but everybody else.
Leonard Woodrow
Dress like a man? You mean like Jesus in that long, white dress he wore? 🙂
DuMaurier
From some of the comments here, you’d think the guy was advocating locking up men who don’t dress the way he wants. Calm down, an opinion is not oppression. Dress the way you want, he’ll do and think the way he wants, and someone else will go off in a different direction from each of you. It’s all within the spectrum of alternatives and individuality. Dial down the shrill factor.
Mrburns
A man should dress whatever way he wants
Jaden Birns
Yes I believe gay men can be masculine too and dress traditional “manly” clothes. But we can dress up in the best way that expresses ourselves. Btw, I hope Louis Vuitton doesn’t make this same statement coz I don’t plan on burning up my bags.
Giancarlo85
@DuMaurier: Again, I don’t think you are paying attention. He made these statements to the public and he will be criticized for making them. Stop relying on histrionics to prove a point. Nobody here said he was advocating locking anyone up.
tdh1980
Here’s a tip for all of you people who are so concerned with the perameters of other people’s manhood: if a person identifies as a man, then he is a man. Period. Despite how he “acts” or dresses or whom he chooses to love. Your insistence on rigid, archaic notions of heteronormative gender performance need not define everyone else’s experience because no one made you the arbiter of such things. In short, live and let live and mind your business.
Giancarlo85
@tdh1980: Absolutely. And by reinforcing these heteronormative norms, some gay men are actually bullying those gay men who don’t want to blend in. And they may be doing this bullying without even realizing it.
woodin
@Realitycheck:
You nailed it on the head.
BJ McFrisky
Mr. Armani is simply stating his opinion, and shouldn’t be vilified for doing so.
woodin
@Giancarlo85:
what?
Giancarlo85
@woodin: Like realityuncheck you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Homosexual is same gender attraction. It has nothing to do with how masculine someone is.
Giancarlo85
Th@BJ McFrisky that’s nice dear. You constantly vilify other people on here for having left wing views.
Bauhaus
@tdh1980:
Exactly!
notevenwrong
What is “manly” about that ridiculous jacket he is wearing?
Michael Cotten-Ward
http://attitude.co.uk/giorgio-armanis-five-most-deeply-heterosexual-designs/
DuMaurier
@Giancarlo85: I was being a bit hyperbolic, in reference to the (to me, unwarranted) intensity of some of the reaction here, as well as to some (again, to me) out-of-place wording. When someone posts “People are free to dress how they want” it suggests that Armani’s comments may threaten that freedom, which they don’t. Or when someone says his words are “dangerous”, or “bullying” (to quote you) or “shaming”–it all suggests that his personal views have a power over us they don’t have.
Sure, if you don’t like someone’s point of view it’s great to say “I disagree, and here’s why…” I think I am paying attention, and what I’m seeing in some of the posts here goes beyond countering an opinion from a public figure regarding taste and fashion (which is as far as I think the discussion should rationally go) to the idea that this is about a threat to our rights and freedom against which we must do battle!
That’s what I see here, and I simply think it’s over-the-top.
Michael Jarboe
Yep, check out these lumberjacks
Billy Budd
@DuMaurier: Of course it is over the top. I see over the top drama queens everywhere in here.
Sweet Boy
The white swimsuit has nothing to do with being gay or not…many heterosexual men in Europe and South America wear swimsuits like that…whoever copied, pasted and rehashed this piece should travel a bit more
1EqualityUSA
Popes state opinions, designers state opinions, jason smeds too. Sea Gulls on a beach state opinions. woo.
tdh1980
@Billy Budd: The only drama queens I see on here are the ones who act like freedom of speech is under attack because people are allowed to have opinions about others’ opinions. If folks don’t want their words criticized, then they either should think about them beforehand or stop talking altogether.
cshields
I’m so sick of everyone and their grandmother acting like they’re they god damned authorities on what it means to be a ‘man’. Apparently it’s not enough to have a fucking penis, it’s now a ‘title’ that we have to ‘earn’ and these idiots are actually arrogant and egotistical enough to think that they’re in a position of authority to grant said ‘title’. Man can and will dress however the fuck he wants to dress and you can have your opinions about that but at the end of the day—-that’s ALL you get to have so Mr. Armani and everyone else like him desperately needs to get over himself/themselves.
As for the people ranting about free speech under attack—-while I do sense that some people are getting too authoritative about what can or cannot be said when it comes to LGBT people, what YOU need to understand is that free speech works BOTH WAYS. They have the freedom to say whatever stupid shit they want, and we have the freedom to criticize them for it. How can any of you stand on your soap boxes and preach the importance of freedom of speech when you ignorantly act like it’s only entitled to those with differing opinions/views and not to those who criticize them for it.
Sansacro
@Giancarlo85: “Homosexuality IS same-gender attraction”?
Too sweeping, academic, and constructed. Gender and sex are not so clearly distinct. As for me, I am attracted to biological men (sex), whether they are masc, fem, or gender f*&K.
AtticusBennett
the calling-card of an Insecure Homosexual is his insistence that there are quantifiers about “what makes a real man”
if you still think the way Armani does, congrats! your daddy-shame issues are still present. kudos to being an insecure homo.
da90027
I think people should dress the way they want and the way that makes them happy. Whether that’s a suit or a plastic Hefty bag…do what makes you feel good.
Faggot
@Reniel N’ Michael: “Why should anyone listen to fashion advice from someone who allows those awful skin tight Lycra Armani Exchange t-shirts to exist?”
FYI
Emporio Armani is the only Giorgio Armani diffusion line that is mainly designed by Giorgio Armani.
1EqualityUSA
da90027, Once when I was walking up a tree lined street to go to work, I saw this thin lady in front of me who had a very simple trench coat. It was tailored and simply lovely. As I got closer, I realized that it was a hefty garbage bag that was so well customized and sharp that it was hip. This homeless lady knew how to rock the hefty.
Realitycheck
@Brian Cherry:
>>can’t believe I’m being lectured on masculinity by an over bronzed
>>fashion designer. He’s a walking gay stereotype.
ha ha ha ha ha
Realitycheck
@cshields:
You do realize you actually believing a statement on an article with out having heard from Armani; not first but not even second hand?
You are also dealing with a foreigner speaker that most likely uses
english words to the best of his knowledge.
Last it is a simple opinion about clothing, not a judgement on people
sexuality.
You guys are going way to far with those polemics and anyone that
disagree gets all kinds of labels, why? Adults can agree to disagree by
accepting other people opinion as long as there is a respectful talk
and logic behind it.
AtticusBennett
@Realitycheck: i can explain why you’re wrong because i’m smarter than you.
what armani states is plain old tired and trite viewing of “masculinity” through the prism of anti-gay heterosexuality.
if you’d like an example of that bigotry, just think of your dad.
Realitycheck
@AtticusBennett:
An intelligent person will never say “I am smarter” …..
And my dad is a very accepting man, he is a very good person
in every way….. and he doesn’t care for “masculinity” labels.
You should not talk about things you don’t know…… Mr smarter…….
If you were as intelligent as you think you are you would realize that
Armani is a fashion designer (one of the best in the world) and it is his
job is to make statements about fashions.
And that has nothing to do with bigotry, it is fashion.
AtticusBennett
@Realitycheck: except that it has everything to do with the way anti-gay heterosexuals see males, homosexuality and continue to narrowly define “masculinity”.
this is something people who aren’t idiots understand.
Mark Powledge
Hard to say, if the lesson was when you are an old dried up designer and you cant get press time with your clothes go after the gays for another 15 min of fame.
dave lopes
@DarkZephyr: No one told you not to express your opinion, no need to be bitchy.
dave lopes
@Giancarlo85: No need for the bitchiness. The man is allowed to express what he likes and what he does not like. He is not telling you what to wear. Keep wearing your tight pink pants.
dave lopes
@Leonard Woodrow: You do understand that this was the way to dress in those days right???? Nothing feminine about it.
dsp
Wear what you want when you want! A man is a man, is a man! The clothes do not make the man!
jason smeds
Armani made his money by exploiting the vanity and narcissism of females.
Giancarlo85
@DuMaurier: Nothing is over the top. The criticisms are well warranted and justified in every sense of the word. Giorgio said something stupid and he’ll get criticized for that.
@dave lopes: Please note where in my posts where I said he isn’t allowed to express his opinions. I love FREEDOM OF SPEECH. You can find out the stupid ignorant ones real fast with freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not a one way street! If you voice stupid views, you’ll get critized. I have freedom of speech to say “I think his views are a load of bullcrap”. Have a problem with that, prick? And I don’t wear tight pink pants. Keep on stereotyping, bitch.
@Sansacro: Learn how to read. I said nothing about masculinity or femininity in that post, and homosexuality isn’t about that. People in this thread are trying to equate “homosexuality = masculinity” and that’s a whole lot of nonsense.
I am genderqueer and androgynous. But I also am gay. These are separate.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *criticized.
Giancarlo85
@cshields: “As for the people ranting about free speech under attack—-while I do sense that some people are getting too authoritative about what can or cannot be said when it comes to LGBT people, what YOU need to understand is that free speech works BOTH WAYS.”
—- This. /\/\/\/\/\.
You absolutely nailed it. We have several people on this thread screaming, crying and bitching about his freedom of speech being violated. I always ask “how is it being violated?” Apparently for some of the super insecure masculine types on here they think any form of criticism is suppression of freedom of speech. It’s such two faced bullshit.
These sensitive insecure clowns are basically saying their views need to be protected from criticism, and nobody can criticize them because they will then be victims of suppression.
Seriously I just want to tell these people to shut the fuck up… of course that’s just a suggestion. I am not forcing anyone to do that. *rolleyes* I just can’t believe how mind numbingly stupid people get with the expression “freedom of speech”. And when you ask whose freedom of speech is being violated and how they can’t name any reasons.
jwtraveler
@Dakotahgeo: I’m with you, but apparently a lot of people do, judging by the number of impassioned comments here.
jwtraveler
@da90027: Seems so simple and sensible. No one will ever go for it. It would kill the fashion industry.
jwtraveler
@jason smeds: I don’t disagree, but that’s what the fashion business is all about. I’d add insecurity to the mix too.
darylsmith
I, Mark addy yong of brunei is an out and proud gay man.
Realitycheck
@AtticusBennett:
NO, you are transferring your emotional shortcoming on Armani,
he did not say any of it, he just expressed the way he sees
fashion and he is a fashion designer.
It is his job to express fashion ideas, and those ideas change every years
like fashion, one year it can be innovative, the next conservative, and
the next flamboyant, in Italy fashion changes every season radically.
In the USA we don’t have that.
avesraggiana
@Realitycheck: “In the USA we don’t have that”.
Very true. Men here, particularly straight men, pay very little attention to clothes. Unless they want to emulate the look of RAP artists. That’s why most guys here dress like eight-year-olds, wearing knee-length, shapeless SKORTS, T-shirts and baseball hats, and thinking they look cool.
Realitycheck
@Giancarlo85:
Armani made 2 comments, 4 lines and see so much in to it, why?
Seriously every time you post you go on a war path, again why?
People are allowed to have ideas and express them, Armani did not offend anyone, he simply expressed his ideas on fashion, and who better then him
can do that?
He is one of the world most famous fashion designer, with a reason, he
knows a lot more about fashion then you do.
You don’t have to agree with him, or like his product but respect his
work and profession, just like you ask people to do for Madonna.
Realitycheck
@avesraggiana: Thank you.
Giancarlo85
@Realitycheck: Again, you seem to suffer from sort of reading comprehension problem.
Of course he has a right to his views, no matter how stupid, backwards and demented they are. I will defend his right to have those views. But I will also vehemently defend my right to criticize his views.
You view criticism as a form of suppression of views. You think certain views need special protection from criticism. That isn’t how freedom of speech works. Freedom of speech is a two way street… Rather, more like a major intersection in Los Angeles. You don’t get special protection from criticism.
Also his view was not about fashion, but rather about what a man should dress like. That is a different subject. It is implying feminine men don’t know anything about fashion and that is a pile of crap. By the way, I am sure some of the designers in his company who are gay and feminine are offended.
You simply can’t read. Who is silencing or preventing him from having his point of view? Tell me who. If you can’t, stop trying to make that stupid nonpoint.
Giancarlo85
To elaborate, his view was on gender norms (preserving an old view of what a man should dress like). This isn’t anything specific about fashion (which would be more about what kind of clothes specifically). He was simply reinforcing a gender norm and he isn’t an authority figure on that. I don’t give two shits about his view on gender norms… Or his ridiculously overpriced and overhyped sense of fashion. And yes I think I know more about fashion than him. He is just a guy who lives off the ideas of employees in his company.
Again, this is about reinforcing antiquated gender norms… Nothing less, nothing more.
dave lopes
So much ageism in the comments.
Hope some of the screamers make it to 80 or look half decent at 60.
Again, the man is stating what he LIKES and finds attractive. That is not up for debate. He is not making a statement about anyone’s rights.
.
Wife: Honey does that dress make me look fat?
Husband: That dress does not make you look fat, it’s the fat that makes you look fat.
.
Same thing for most gay men, it’s not the clothes that makes you look fem, it is the fem that makes you look fem. The clothes just accentuate the fem and confirm the fem.
.
So embrace your fem and don’t let people’s likes/dislikes affect your self esteem.
Giancarlo85
@dave lopes: And where is the ageism? Do us a favor and cut the bullshit out of your posts. Your posts would only be a line or two at that point.
And what is not up for debate? A influential figure makes a stupid statement… And yes it is up for debate and criticism.
You are full of yourself… Just like him. A pompous ignorant douche who has no authority to tell what fem people should or should not look like.
Realitycheck
@Giancarlo85:
You are attacking other posters that is the problem, you lack
common courtesy and social skills, you do not simply express an opinion
you charge and attack, and that is wrong, we are here to enjoy the site and
to express our opinions, your opinion is just one of many, learn to
accept a diverse range of opinions, or at least be willing to listen,
and consider.
Nobody has to agree with you, that would be the same Nazi behavior
of anti-gay christians desperately trying to impose their views on us.
Reflect on that………..
By the way you just contradicted yourself, you said I quote:
>>Also his view was not about fashion,
>> but rather about what a man should dress like.
Dressing is fashion, and that is Armani business, all designers
have ideas about how people should dress, again it is their job and
business.
And at no time I had a problem with anyone expressing their opinion,
you are using drama as a form of attack, that is wrong, one can talk
with using expletives or/and making falso accusations.
Make no mistakes, you are making plenty of enemies on these boards,
every article you comment you manage to attack and piss off another
poster, and who, did teach you to behave that way????
Really is that what you want?
Realitycheck
@dave lopes:
Thank you, there is definitely, some ageism in some of people posts but more importantly a distortion of Armani intentions.
And Armani as you perfectly wrote:
“the man is stating what he LIKES and finds attractive.
“That is not up for debate. He is not making a statement about anyone’s rights.”
Paco
@Realitycheck: Anything that is put out for public consumption (including opinions and personal preferences), is open for criticism and debate. If people don’t like being criticized for stating what they like or don’t like, then they should probably keeps those things private. Yes?
dave lopes
@Paco: When we say not open to debate, we mean he does not have to defend his taste. It is his taste end of story.
You can state your own taste or say you don’t share his taste.
The same way you liking men is not open to debate.
Giancarlo85
@Realitycheck: You are the one with zero social skills and a lack of respect towards others. You have constantly bickered with others on here and you have attacked me… so why should I afford you any respect? You are inconsistent and hypocritical. You cannot answer simple questions. I have never silenced anyone. I have criticized poorly founded opinions and that is my right to do so.
“that would be the same Nazi behavior
of anti-gay christians desperately trying to impose their views on us.”
And yet it is you trying to claim some views should be protected from criticism. And where was I imposing anything on anyone?
By the way, reinforcing gender norms and fashion are not the same. You didn’t read my entire post. You picked out two parts out of context. This is what you do. You refuse to address the rest of my post because you know I’m not wrong. You are a liar and you showed that consistently throughout your post. You are nothing more than a charlatan.
Giorgio was reinforcing gender norms. His statement was about what a male homosexual should be (manly). He was not addressing specific patterns, dress styles, etc… but gender norms. If you read what he said, you would realize this simple fact.
I’m not concerned if someone disagrees with me or considers me their enemy. They will never meet me. And I’m glad I wouldn’t meet them. There are a lot of frauds on here who defend bigoted language and the constant dissing of feminine gay men (much like you have done). You aren’t capable in understanding what I have said, so you take something I said out of context for some ridiculous agenda you have.
You have a lot of growing up to do.
Paco
@dave lopes: except it isn’t “end of story” when it is grossly worded as a blanket generalization. Maybe there is more to the quote that was lost in translation or due to blatant omission, but it did not come across as just his personal tastes in men.
There was so much wrong with that quote that I will say that it was a language barrier.
Giancarlo85
@Realitycheck: Where is this ageism? Point it out who was attacking his age. I was NOT. I was attacking his outmoded and inaccurate opinions of gender norms.
@dave lopes: So what does that mean? People do not have a right to criticize him when he expresses his own taste?
You and non-realitycheck sound like those christian conservatives!
“The same way you liking men is not open to debate.”
Bullshit. Sexual orientation and old antiquated gender norms are two different matters.
You, and non-reality, have a lot of maturing to do… if you can’t handle the heat, get out of kitchen.
Giancarlo85
Some here really hate feminine gay men and now they are saying they dress like shit because they don’t dress like real men. I get it now. People love their gender norms on here… more of that masc4masc bullshit.
I’m so fed up with this crap. Giorgio made a misinformed, stupid and shallow statement… and yet, we still have the same talking heads on here defending him.
dave lopes
@Giancarlo85: The only one needing maturing is you with your personal attacks on people and your bitchy attitude.
And the only one who can’t handle the heat of the real world is you. Pulling your hair out over someone stating their likes and dislikes.
Again, be as fem and flamboyant and swishy as your nature demands of you. Stop having a fit if others don’t find it manly or attractive.
The world does not owe you love.
Saint Law
@jason smeds: There isn’t a subject you wont use to shoehorn your fear of the female is there?
I’d call you a psychic castrate, but given your total impotence it’s a moot point.
Giancarlo85
@dave lopes: Again… the “masc4masc” and “no fems” attitude is apparent in all your angry nasty posts. You are the one who personally attack people. You did it several times under this article.
You’re the one who isn’t capable of formulating a real argument. And I can’t handle the heat of the real world? Coming from a fake masculine closet queen that’s hilarious. I’m out everyday and I have to put up with more than a douchebag like you.
Oh, and I don’t care what some douchebag thinks of me. And my androgynous and flamboyant identity is far more manly than your closeted fake masculine identity. You’re the one who is having a fit because most of us don’t find your bullshit attitude attractive.
You’re a massive hypocrite.
Giancarlo85
@dave lopes: “Stop having a fit if others don’t find it manly or attractive.”
By the way, this is the most hilarious judgmental shit I’ve read from you so far.
You really are a insecure little boy. Get rid of that fake masculine bullshit… nobody, and I MEAN NOBODY finds it attractive.
dave lopes
lol..lol looks like carmen miranda is having a fit…lol..lol
Like i told you on a previous thread, SHUSH.
dave lopes
@Giancarlo85: so you admit to be androgynous and flamboyant. WOW, who would have guessed….lol
Giancarlo85
S@dave lopes: So admit you’re a bigot who hates fem and androgynous gay men. You can’t stand fem guys because they make you feel extremely insecure. You shush. Your opinions are worthless.
dave lopes
@Giancarlo85: Actually I don’t hate anyone.
I respect everyone’s right to be who they are and everyone’s right to like or dislike what someone else is.
And that is the part you can’t understand because of your needy tortured self looking for acceptance.
Bad news for you, it aint coming…lol
Giancarlo85
@dave lopes: You are deeply hateful and resentful of people who are out and open.
You are the one that is tortured and demented. You have a fucked up view of other people, including me. I said I am androgynous and that is the way I am. I don’t need approval from anyone. You probably think I got tits and a dick.. That’s how shortsighted and ignorant you are.
I don’t even know why I entertain responding to your trash anymore.
dave lopes
@Giancarlo85: Then stop begging for my approval with your constant whining.
It aint happening….so SUSH
Giancarlo85
@dave lopes: Where am I begging for your approval? You’re a nasty person… why would I need your approval? Really surprised you haven’t called me a tra-nny yet. That’s all narrow minded people like you do.