If there is a television program that upsets the Parents Television Council, I probably want to watch it. Pissing off the folks at the Media Research Center? That’s a close second. Having already gone after 90210 for its gay storyline featuring Teddy and Ian, MRC is now zeroing in on Glee for two girls getting it on.
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Show creator Ryan Murphy “spends his days fantasizing about teen girls ‘scissoring’ on the bed in what the media tell us is a family-friendly show,” says Dan Gainor, who holds the title of MRC’s “business and culture vice president.” Though let’s be clear: While Murphy may have included the girl-on-girl opening scene in Tuesday’s episode, something tells me he absolutely does not spend his days fantasizing about the ladies.
At least give the guy snaps for staying true to his promise about not making same-sex kissing a big deal.
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In the meantime, could MRC just send me a list of all the shows it hates? Would making setting up my DVR so much easier.
Chris
Show creator Ryan Murphy “spends his days fantasizing about teen girls ‘scissoring’ on the bed in what the media tell us is a family-friendly show,”
Hahahahaha!!! Don’t they use the internet?
Chris
Show creator Ryan Murphy “spends his days fantasizing about teen girls ‘scissoring’ on the bed in what the media tell us is a family-friendly show,”
Hahahahaha!!! Don’t they use the internet?
(Also, “the media?” Who is she and why is she saying such foolishness?)
peteNsfo
I know we’re supposed to be grateful for any depiction in the media, but here are my issues w/ the scene:
a. yes, I’m a prude, lol, I don’t think kids that young should be portrayed as so cavalier about sex. Even Artie felt really conflicted after his hook-up.
b. Santana (the dark-haired gal) was cruel & even stated that she was only messing around with her b/c Puck’s in juvenile detention & later in the show, the blond gal hooked up w/ Artie- further reinforcing the idea that lesbians are psycho & that orientation is more changeable than not…
who knows, maybe all the bisexual kids are finally relieved to see themselves portrayed on TV, although they still make Santana a total beeyatch.
You can ‘thumbs-down’ me all you want, but I think sex belongs in the 10pm time slot, not 8pm.
I’m just sayin’…
James Davis
@peteNsfo: In your post you got one thing right. You are a prude.
LOL
jason
Ryan Murphy is a peculiar, purported gay guy who has a fetish for lesbians but avoids gay men. In his previous show Nip/Tuck, he included ample girl-girl scenes but hardly any guy-guy ones.
As for the scene in Glee, it seemed to be straight out of the sleazy straight guy playbook. It wasn’t a serious depiction of a lesbian relationship. One can only surmise that Ryan’s a fake gay advocate.
He’ll probably never put a guy-guy relationship in Glee, such is his hypocrisy.
jason
Keep in mind that not all depictions of same-sex sexuality are good for our community. The girl-girl thing done in Glee seemed to be similar to the type of girl-girl you might see in porn.
alan brickman
it was explained clearly…Puck wasn’t around….makes sense…
Steve
Santana means that she is only there THIS TIME because of Puck. They are friends with benefits, though this shows that it may just be a bit more for Brittany. This wasn’t the first time they did anything. They previously (more than) implied that they had slept together and often hooked their pinky fingers together.
Interesting that the MRC didn’t complain about the Kurt/Sam storyline.
Steve
That said, Santana was clearly jealous of Brittany hooking up with Artie. Which was exactly what Brittany intended. Santana cares more for her than she may want to admit to herself. There is really more between them than just kissing (and scissoring).
Ash
@Steve: I agree! I can definitely see them writing her as one of those girls who are afraid of any real emotional attachment. Sorta like Ashley in the first season of South of Nowhere. She treated Spencer like crap because she was afraid of hurting her or being hurt herself.
Maybe I’m just seeing things that aren’t there, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they really are writing her story up like that. And I would LOVE if they were. Oh, and Brittany definitely has real feelings for Santana.
Yal
@jason: If you had been paying attention, you would have known that there has been a lot of physical affection and touchy-feely things going on with these two forever. Their relationship has been implied or suggested (through actions and words) to be more than friendly since the pilot. Even with the secondary relationships going on (ie Puck/Santana)
I agree with the posters who are saying that Santana is not in a place emotionally and in terms of maturity to deal with her feelings for Brittany, and we’ll probably see their relationship blossom slowly over the course of the show, which i’m looking forward too. Oh and I find it funny and cute how overprotective Santana is of Brittany.
thedarkchariot
@jason:
Hm. I don’t know why you got so many thumbs down.
Listen Glee fans, I get it. It’s a fun, camp, kooky show. But there are some serious undertones that worry me. I love Glee but it’s just…it has it’s problems. Again we have another “lesbian”/”bi” girl couple that – while yes you can argue it’s representation for lesbians and bi women – really makes us gay men gnash our teeth because again it seems like this great, fabulous, gay show that we support isn’t throwing us a bone with a prominent gay (male) couple. And, again it seems like service for straight guys.
That’s all we’re saying.
Chris H
@thedarkchariot: Ryan Murphy has stated Kurt will be getting a boyfriend. Chillax. This same-sex relationship between Brittana has been building since before this episode. And it’s VERY sweet and not at all exploitative.
Soupy
Could someone throw me a bone?
eagledancer
Jeez–I can’t believe I’m commenting about fictional characters portrayed by 20-something actors–but hey–Glee is the favorite show in our household, with So You Think You Can Dance in second place by a hair. However–as someone who teaches university level courses on Human Sexuality, the relationship of these two is a fairly accurate reflection of young women.
When we do interviews with Gay adult men, they overwhelmingly state they knew at a very early age they were “different” although they didn’t have a “word” for it at that time.
And yes–for those of you who self-identify as Gay adults who were clueless or unsure until later on in life–you do exist, but definitely in the minority.
But adult Lesbians report they often did not “know” for sure until their late teens or early 20’s. The theory is that girls are socialized very differently in conventional American society than boys. Girls are encouraged and supported in forming close emotional bonds with their female peers which include a lot of physical contact. For example, they will brush and “do” each other’s hair, they will hug and kiss and hold hands. They will have sleepovers where they where they frequently share a bed. Just so, it isn’t until later on in their development that they “click” on the realization they are also sexually attracted to other females in “that” way. Both characters in Glee are pretty dead on in how many high school girls interact, particularly if their backstory includes knowing each other since childhood.
RACHEL
@ EAGLEDANCER
what you say makes sense
plus i resent the fact that it is socially understood that there are straight women who are sexually promiscuous and sleep around, yet whenever a not labeled act (potentially gay or bi) between two girls occurs it is blasphemy to all lesbians and obviously porn for the straight man. maybe they are struggling with their sexual identities and “loose” with sex with either gender (as they have proven to be with other male characters very often). i think this portrayal of what may be a gay relationship could be very realistic, depending on the persons, same as with a straight relationship.
globo
I really don’t want to sound like a bitch, I come here in peace. It annoys me when gay men or straight girls play the card “they are doing this lesbian scenes just to titillate the straight male audience” mmm no, not really. These kind of lesbian relationships or however you want to name it actually happens, it DOES represent a portion of the lesbian community, besides, are you watching the show at all? because it has CLEARLY being stated before that these two girls (Santana and Brittny) go way back.
I get it, you guys want more gay dudes (heck, even I want them)but don’t try to diminish the lesbian storyline jsut because you ain’t getting exactly what you want.
DR
Look, Kurt’s story line is only now beginning to develop to the point where he wants a boyfriend. He came out, had crushes, learned to deal with those crushes (kind of), and has had a great story line with his father over the run of the show.
Brittany and Santana were never intended to be full-time characters, but between Heather Morris’ impromptu one-liners and the chemistry between her and Naya Rivera, this story works and resulted in these two becoming full cast members. And the writers are developing it; Santana is very insecure about her looks (boob job admission) and she’ll use sex to stay at the top of the social heap, while Brittany is really beginning to understand the consequences of her “love em and leave em” ways, at least with the guys. Neither is afraid to explore or show physical affection, and and Santana is clearly willing to go to the mat to protect Brittany, at least when they’re not jealous of each other.
Kurt’s story gets him Emmy nods for best actor and is pretty damn realistic. Brittana gets us a dose of two teenage girls coming into their sexuality.
peteNsfo
hey boys,
You gotta laugh at how complex and detailed the explanations of these story-lines & relations are in this thread… my comments were from a broader perspective, but still, I’d like to invite you all over to my place for a really fierce round of “Celebrity.”
Duel to the death, girlz.
🙂
Not a Glee watcher
@peteNsfo: You say: “I think sex belongs in the 10pm time slot, not 8pm.”
But, I mean, all the two girls were doing was kissing – wait! Not even that. One girl was kissing the other’s neck. They have straight couples doing the same thing or worse than that on every TV show at that time, so really, your comment is irrelevant.