If there’s a difference between last night’s GOP presidential candidate debate and novovirus, it’s hard to determine. Both have the same general effect and both seem to last about as long. The three-hour marathon held at the shrine of St. Ronald was noteworthy for what it underscored: with eleven candidates at the main debate, and four more at the junior varsity version, the Republican party is hard put to come up with a candidate who looks like a potential winner.
The focus of the debate was on Donald Trump, who has emerged as the perfect GOP candidate for a large segment of the party base. Trump is unadulterated ID–naturally bellicose, reliably unapologetic, and without a shred of self-reflection. Trump never fails to deliver, in large part because out of all the candidates, he has the best understanding of how to work the media. Caught saying something offensive, he simply contradicts himself, knowing full well that the original insult will be replayed. Case in point: his slam about Carly Fiorina’s looks.
In this case, Fiorina dished it right back at Trump, using the debate to try to score points with women. On the basis of her well-rehearsed spontaneous comeback, Fiorina was quickly declared the winner of the debate by mainstream media outlets. Her ascent neatly fits the media need to shake things up after gorging on Trump’s junk food diet for three months.
By an objective standard, Fiorina did pretty well during the debate. But let’s face it. She’s no more electable than Trump. As CEO of Hewlett Packard, she presided over one of the biggest self-inflicted corporate disasters of modern times. During her tenure, the value of the iconic company dropped by more than half and 30,000 employees lost their jobs. In the words of Yale University management professor Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, “You couldn’t pick a worse, non-imprisoned CEO to be your standard-bearer.”
What Fiorina and Trump and Ben Carson, who coats his radical veneer with the sheen of civility (at least when he’s not talking about us), have in common is that they are outsiders. The base clearly has had it with politicians who believe in incremental change or in reality. There’s a segment of voting Republicans who are convinced that they will get their way by sheer force of will, compromise be damned.
That’s why Marco Rubio, the erstwhile boy wonder of the GOP, essentially told the taxpayers of Florida that he no longer works for them because Washington so dysfunctional that “I’m leaving the Senate.” (Rubio also reassured us during a question about climate change that “America is not a planet.”)
The prevailing winds don’t offer much help to the establishment Republicans, most notably Jeb Bush. Trump has said a lot of crazy things on the campaign trail, but truer words were never spoken than when he called Bush “low energy” and even produced a video showing someone falling asleep during a Bush speech. The man who was supposed to stroll to the nomination has proven to be one of the least exciting candidates in recent memory, which is saying a lot when you recall Mitt Romney. The other one-time GOP savior, Scott Walker, has seen his support collapse in recent weeks and was virtually indistinguishable from the carpet at the debate.
The debate did offer the candidates a chance to express some reliable homophobia. Mike Huckabee defended Kim Davis on the grounds that Muslims in prison can grow beards. (Insert obvious joke here.) Ted Cruz complained bitterly about his past support for Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts without specifying why, although marriage equality was clearly one irritant. As a reminder, not saying anything antigay doesn’t mean you disagree with the general sentiments: Carly Fiorina has a track record of opposition to marriage equality second to none.
In the end, the GOP has to pick someone to run for president. The base wants an outsider who plays to visceral issues (immigration, terrorism) in blunt language. There are really only two candidates who fit that bill: Trump and Cruz. In the meantime, many of the others are trying to refashion themselves into acceptable alternatives. But being acceptable to the base means will be a curse in the general election, because most voters are much more moderate. So the GOP is left with a long slog through the primaries as it tries to find some kind of balance.
It won’t be a pretty sight–unless, of course, you’re a Democrat.
Alexander R. Rodriguez
Cause Hillary and Sanders are totally sane!! So done with Gay Left hatred…
Finrod
I will continue to hope that Mr. Trump wins the Republican nomination as that would guarantee a victory for the Democrats. Better yet, he could choose Kim Davis as his VP.
Ken Gagne
Pure batshittery…
Carl McClanahan
Oh, I guess thats why Trump leads in most national polls.
I would not vote for him but many will.
I also am not voting Democrat either
Brian JC Kneeland
All of the candidates are busy sniping at each other and then the other party. I don’t see how we can decide who we’d vote for!
1EqualityUSA
ReBiblicans are hopeless. They had better cheat some more.
Sheldon Siegel
There were so many dicks on stage, it turned into a mass debate.
Sev Kirchem
All of these “Nit Wits” are “Gary Busey Crazy!!!!
TheAngryFag
What’s really funny is there is already a paradise for people like Mike Huckabee. In fact, there’s two: Iran and Saudi Arabia
Ladbrook
I wasn’t about to waste 3-5 hrs of my evening on this type of crazy. We all know how much most of them hate LGBT equality, and we know that it’s practically impossible for 11(!) people to engage in any sort of “debate” on the other important issues of the day. This was just a series of commercials masquerading as a news event.
SO INSTEAD, my BF and I hosted a threesome with our favorite playmate. It was time much better spent. Go America!
The Tower of Power
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: What else can you call it when they can’t even begin to acknowledge that global warming exists despite 20 years of scientific research and 98% agreement in the scientific community?
That sounds pretty crazy.
BJ McFrisky
Because a Democrat debate will be so much more sensible . . .
Sanders: I guarantee wealth and poverty and middle-class for everyone!
Biden: Little girls! Boobies! Squirrels!
Hillary: What’s an email server? Is that a waiter for emails? Aren’t I funny?
O’Malley: White lives DON’T matter (as long as the blacks tell me so)!
Chaffee: Metric system!
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: Amen, my friend. Funny how “tolerance” only applies when it fits an agenda.
Daveliam
Best case scneario: Trump loses the nomination and runs as an independent. He and the GOP candidate split the crazy and the democratic nominee sails to an easy victory. There’s NO way that Trump’s ego will allow him to pull out of the race after leading the polls, right?
Giancarlo85
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: A lot more sane and moderate than the batshit crazy republicans. There is a reason Republicans haven’t won a general election in a decade. Too far to the right and too mentally imbalanced.
@BJ McFrisky: Your responses are infantile and stupid. Many you should think a bit more before trying and failing to describe presidential candidates.
You right wing gays are beyond pathetic. You are the ignorant and intolerant people out there. You kiss ass of the people who hate you.
Tell me one good thing republicans are pushinh as far as public policy. *crickets*
Desert Boy
It was a freak show. Only John Kasich approximated sanity.
Cynthia Gilletti
I was hoping they would all get in the airplane and fly away to Fantasy Island.One way trip, please.
NJjoe
Huckabee’s response to Davis was stupid. And all of them talked about a “free” country and they showed how hypocrites they really are. Actually, Jake Tapper was going to ask the Davis question first and Huckabee knew it, that’s why he deflected his question to something else at first, but Tapper came back to it and he spoke like a true idiot.
Giancarlo85
I didn’t hear a single sound and reasonable policy suggestion last night. The gay right wingers have posted nothing but deflections. All I heard in that so called debate was huffing and puffing. If your best performer destroyed HP and killed 30,000 jobs you know you have problems.
Kangol
That was a stage full of very angry, hom0phobic, out of touch, mostly rich, somewhat to very crazy old white people, with one crazy young white person and one crazy old black guy. Not one seems to grasp how things have improved since George W. Bush ceased being president.
Jeb Bush even had the gall to claim George W. Bush “kept us safe,” despite the fact that 9/11, the horrific aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, and the global financial collapse all happened on W. Bush’s watch. Our country and the globe has never been the same since Bush’s disastrous tenure. None of these nutcases, nor the audience at the debate, nor the dingbat moderators, seemed to know this.
But the rest of America knows. We see the hom0phobia, the r@cism, the policies geared only towards billionaires. We see the foreign policy that pushes for perpetual war, which means our treasury is continually looted. We see the record of failure with people like Trump, Christie, Cruz, Fiorina, Rubio, all of them. We remember when Kasich tried to impeach Bill Clinton and helped shut down the government in the 1990s. We see through all these clowns. They are bad for America. Sorry, GOP, but find jobs with your billionaire backers and leave the rest of us alone!
Kangol
@Ladbrook: A threesome with a playmate sounds like fun, and far better than watching these nuts. But I feel like I have to pay attention since one of these people will eventually get the GOP nomination, and the US media are really pushing hard to put one of them in the White House.
The US media are so in love with Christie, who is a complete horrorshow as a governor (he’s hated in NJ these days, embroiled in scandal, etc.), Fiorina (who destroyed TWO companies, yet left with a massive golden parachute), and Jeb (whose policies are a warmed-over rehash of his brother’s), that we have to pay attention to what these cranks are saying.
Oh, and by the way, they all are pushing for policies that harm gay people, so you have to wonder what sort of gay person would support any of them.
onthemark
@BJ McFrisky: Recently you contended that most Republicans are NOT anti-gay, they are “mostly indifferent to us.”
While I admit you have quite an inspiring campaign slogan – “Vote Republican, they’re mostly indifferent to us!” – I didn’t see any proof of your theory last night.
Cy
Was there a sale on black suits and red ties somewhere?
Lobeskc
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: Well said Alexander. I love how we as a group do not want to be judged or mocked or grouped into a certain category, but some in the gay community feel compelled to classify an entire group as “Crazy” Why even post this article Queerty?
Stefano
@onthemark: i love the slogan ! 🙂
aliengod
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: @BJ McFrisky: Completely agree with both of you. If you think the Republican debate was full of crazies, wait until you watch the Democrat debate.
mezzacanadese
I did not watch the debate. I’d rather watch paint dry.
Jim Guinnessey
Bore,bore,bore! Unfortunately one of these out of touch clowns will get the GOP nod. Are the Democrats much better? Hilary has been consistently and successfully pillories by the GOP. Bernie Sanders of Vermont is the only lively one. Warren and O’Malley are very good choices but no one really knows them. Trump has stolen the limelight from the GOP clowns but is one himself. The pro-bigot Kim Davis clowns,(Huckabee/Santorum/Cruz,etc), with their chronic pandering to ignorant pseudo Christian Americans show how dangerous some of these GOP politicians can be. If there is a God he/she better make an appearance before 2016.
Realitycheck
This will be an easy victory for the democrats aka Clinton, Trump popularity is growing now at 27% from last month 23%, with
(double talking while sleeping) Ben Carson getting closer, but neither is truly presidential material.
We all know how it work, the USA electorate is split in 3 groups of equal size, republicans, democrats and the undecided.
So who would this undecided crowd vote for? Loud mouthed Trumps, or Clinton? Keep in mind, latins hate Trump
and latins are now a much larger section of the USA population then blacks, and if Obama puts a little energy in to it,
he could mobilize black vote for Hillary………..
onthemark
Their obsession with abortion seems the most crazy thing to me. Huckabee actually said something about how he wanted an America “where abortion is a thing of the past”! These guys will always say that gun control laws are pointless because, well, criminals just ignore them. But they think if they keep passing anti-abortion laws, no desperate woman will ever resort to an illegal abortion? Maybe they will “solve” that problem by putting all pregnant women in prison until they give birth?
woodin
Im waiting on Trump to ask the moderator to give his (Trump’s) finger a yank. It’s coming.
I was convinced Cruz was well deserving and earned the label “creepy”, but with many months ahead of us, I think Trump will take or at least share creepy with Cruz.
dpk199625
If you want to talk about crazy, I don’t know how you could still be pro choice after watching those disgusting Planned Parenthood undercover tapes. Human body parts sitting in a petri dish…
NateOcean
It was kind of a Republican Bukkake session where each of the other candidates verbally ejaculated onto Trump.
And, just like in real Bukkake, Trump feigns indifference when deep down inside he is wallowing in their verbal spurts of cum.
And, likewise, while the cum-donors seemed thrilled at the time, when the evening was over, they were drained, and with little accomplished.
Cam
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: said….
“Cause Hillary and Sanders are totally sane!! So done with Gay Left hatred…”
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I love you Log Cabiners. The GOP has as part of their platform, attacking gay rights. Every single one of their candidates has said that they oppose gay marriage, and every single candidate except two have said that they support changing the constitution to take away LGBT rights.
So their entire party statement is about attacking LGBT’s but us not liking that is somehow “Gay Left Hatred”.
I guess if a woman doesn’t like rapists you would say that you are sick of “Women not wanting to be raped hatred”?
Seriously, dangerously deluded.
motorcycle
As a Midwestern gay man who happens to be conservative, while I do not care for Trump, I do applaud his message for the most part. Washington DC is out of control, Obama is a disgrace to the country and so are both, I say again both sides of the aisle are a disgrace to the country. We have to have a republican back into the white house to restore out rightful place in the world. Under Obama we have become a laughing stock of the world and that absolutely pisses me the hell off. Electric a republican President and lets clean house in the Senate and the House!
Cam
@motorcycle:
You have a bunch of vague statements without any facts or proof to back them up.
Rightful place in the world (Meaning what, and how are we not there)
Laughing Stock (Who is laughing?)
But you right wingers never can back up your statements with facts. You sit there, blather on with unsupported statements and nothing else.
Oh, and by the way, one of the easiest ways to spot a troll is that they start off by labeling themselves as “One of you”.
When you say “As a gay man” you may as well just say “As a straight guy trolling your site”.
Bob LaBlah
From the text: “the Republican party is hard put to come up with a candidate who looks like a potential winner.”
That is the understatement. It is painfully obvious the republican Klown Kar is out of gas. I do not understand for the life of me why Christy was even invited. I guess it was to show the world how this two legged whale is now nothing else but a kiss ass hoping that if by some miracle a GOP win happens the will exonerate him of all charges he sure as hell is going to get. I would NOT be surprised if it is Obama delaying his prosecution. Christy embraced Obama care and made no apologies for doing it. In return, Obama orders the courts to back off. Strange things happen in politics. The “attacks” from him on Obama sounded pathetic and he looked pained and embarrassed each time he tried it.
Hillary HAS joined the ranks of all other women, party be damned, who led at the beginning but, thanks to nothing else but their personalities, were shot down within six months. Clinton is not qualified to be president because she has no accomplishments that amount to anything to fall back on. Ok, so she was the First Lady. Big goddamn deal. What did you do as Sec of State other than resign and write a damn book aimed more at getting even with Obama than what you accomplished. The woman is a loser and the democrats know it. Now they, the dems, had best be careful and not wait too much longer to find and ELECTABLE candidate. Bernie aint going to make it and neither will Crazy Joe.
Giancarlo85
@aliengod: Oh really? Who are the crazies at the Democratic debate? You could come with something even more stupid to say. This is the problem with right wing gays… They will stoop to any stupid level and not bother backing up anything they say.
@Bob LaBlah: Your comments on Hillary are daft and ignorant. She is definitely the most qualified out of the bunch. And that stupid accomplishments crapshoot of an argument was used by republicans against Obama. It failed then and it will fail now.
The republicans have a candidate with zero accomplishments and zero positive policy recommendations. So I think Hillary will do just fine.
Giancarlo85
@motorcycle: Oh really? So you are willing to vote for a stupid extremist like Trump who does nothing but insults others? Yes, that will really change a lot won’t it? This is why I do not give a shit about gay conservatives. You just don’t get it! You want to know why Washington is a mess? Think about it for a minute! It has a lot to do wuth the republican party!
The last four Republican presidencies haven’t done shit except disgrace this nation. Why would I ever vote for one of those jokers? I have a mind… I use it too!
People like you make this country a disgrace. You elect idiot representatives that do nothing but cause gridlock. Fuck your political party and to hell with your politics.
garrettmeijer
The Democrats have long been known as the party of the Big Tent because of their inclusivity. And now the Republicans have become the party of the big circus tent!
Nahald
If Mr. Trump is nominated (highly Unlikely) as the Republican candidate Democrats win, hands down ! The guy has absolutely NO Diplomatic skills whatsoever. And that’s one of the main things a president should have .
onthemark
@dpk199625: “disgusting” … “Human body parts sitting in a petri dish…”
So what? They’re being used to work on cures for diseases and congenital conditions. You guys act like someone is building a Frankenstein’s monster someplace. There’s nothing any more creepy or sinister about it than using kidneys and livers in transplants. Grow up.
Also, several candidates have LIED saying it’s illegal. It’s not.
Alistair Wiseman
@Kangol:
You stated, “We remember when Kaisch tried to impeach Bill Clinton….”
Gosh, I hate to break the news to you from 1998, but Bill Clinton was impeached.
Bob LaBlah
@Alistair Wiseman: “Gosh, I hate to break the news to you from 1998, but Bill Clinton was impeached.”
Go on. Go on. Don’t stop so short. Clinton got impeached, Republican House Speaker Bob Livingston, from the god fearing white christian state of Louisiana, had to resign because of an extra marital affair, and Bill Clinton left office three years later with an approval rating that topped Reagan. How’s that as for the importance of his impeachment? Less than a month later both houses mentioned not one word more about that farce involving that little tramp Lewdinsky.
Oh, and lets not forget the record surplus he left for ol’ Georgie Porgie to EFF up big time.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: Impeached? So who took over after he was impeached? Oh that’s right. The impeachment process failed. Just like everything else republicans tried to do to Bill Clinton.
Kasich is a terrible governor. Much like Bobby Jindal. Funny how these republicans claim they can do a better job, but when they take control they do a shit job. That’s what Arnold Schwarzenegger claimed when he wanted Gray Davis out. We’re still paying for that moment of stupidity.
@Bob LaBlah: And then there is also Newt Gingrich. That’s all I’ll say.
dpk199625
@onthemark: “Who Cares” This I don’t give a sh*t reply goes to show the complete lack of regard for human lives in the democratic party. As for your mention of organ transplants, those were people who chose to donate after they die. That’s completely different from an unborn baby with no choice that is killed and who’s body is harvested for science experiments. How can good come from the cures these fetus’s may provide if you have to murder another human being to get them?
onthemark
@dpk199625: How long a prison term do you want for a woman who has an abortion?
Giancarlo85
@dpk199625: People who take certain videos out of context and try to exaggerate are the most dangerous ones in this country. An “unborn baby”? Funny. Conservatives don’t give a shit about children after birth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15OS2PdCKo – GEorge Carlin fucking nailed it here.
“They will do anything for the unborn. But once you’re born, you’re on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re pre-born, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked.”
http://lybio.net/george-carlin-pro-life-abortion-and-the-sanctity-of-life/comedy/
It isn’t murder. Don’t even try that stupid argument.
dwes09
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: Comparatively, and actually, yes they are. Being a right wing homosexual is the apotheosis of self hatred, so the pot is very much calling the kettle black here.
Giancarlo85
“They’re not pro-life. You know what they are? They’re anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don’t like them. They don’t like women. They believe a woman’s primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.” – George Carlin
That’s one of his most prolific quotes.
These pro-life conservatives are anti-women. Simple as that.
dpk199625
@onthemark: Well hopefully by making abortion illegal, that would eliminate the potential prison sentences. But I think that would be up to a judge to decide the length of the prison sentence for the woman and the doctor that performed the illegal procedure.
Alistair Wiseman
@Bob LaBlah: @Giancarlo85:
You two can certainly add more rhetoric, however, I was only correcting the factual record that Bill Clinton was impeached.
dwes09
@dpk199625: Seems you are one of the few people (except for fundamentalists and evangelicals) who are not aware of the extent to which those videos were edited and altered.
darian
I used to be completely stunned at the thought process of you log cabin queens now I’m just bored with them. I find it funny when gay males throw their hat into the abortion discussion and pretend to be some kind of humanitarian then turn around and want to support people who don’t see you as such.
Giancarlo85
@dpk199625: Oooohhhhhh realllllyyyyy? Do you know if you make it illegal, abortions will happen in backalleys and under very dangerous conditions?
Abortion should not be illegal and there is no basis for your argument except the typical red herring logical fallacies.
@darian: You can’t really entertain the stupidity of the Log Cabin types on here throwing their typical tantrums.
@Alistair Wiseman: I was adding to your so called factual record, that the impeachment process failed and he served out his entire second term.
Alistair Wiseman
@dwes09:
DISSENT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!!!
Thank you, Comrade.
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
Well, that impeachment is still on the ol presidential resume.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: You didn’t refute anything I said and the impeachment was without legal basis hence why it failed. You’re a failure in debating. You would fit right into these so called “republican debates”.
@Alistair Wiseman: Interesting how republicans don’t tolerate dissent.
dpk199625
@Giancarlo85: It’s not about being anti-woman. That pregnant woman has another human growing inside of her that is the product of her and the often forgotten about man who helped create it. What about the man’s baby, does he get a choice in whether it gets to live or die? And think about all those female aborted fetus’s? They’ve been killed without a choice, isn’t killing future woman of this earth more anti-woman?
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
Failed or not, he was still impeached. Impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.
darian
@Giancarlo85: If any of these queens believe any of those clowns will be president they may want to start looking for other places to live.
dwes09
@dpk199625: As abortion, both surgical and through the use of herbal poisons has existed since civilization began (and probably longer, as even hunting-gathering bands know the herbs that induce miscarriage), and since exposing deformed and unwanted children to the elements to die AFTER birth has an equally long history: what, other than naivety and stupidity makes you think striking down roe v wade will end abortion in the Us?
What your posts show is a distaste for women, and an ignorance about what abortion is as well as why late term abortions are performed. Do you prefer to see women rendered sterile, sick or dead from the illegal abortions that WILL occur? What of women with existing families for whom birth control fails, or for whom pregnancy is life threatening? Do you give a damn about their families at all!? Seems clear all you care about is the fundamentalists foolish abstraction of the fetus as “helpless wittle teensy baby”. The willfully ignorant really should keep their ignorance to themselves, as you just expose yourselves to ridicule when you open your piehole.
Those that favor all aspects of family planning are pro-life
Those that favor real sex education in schools are pro life.
Those that support aid to families and born children in need are pro life
This that see women as brood sows with no right to deal with unwanted pregnancies are NOT pro life, at best they are pro fetus, anti woman, anti family and anti reality.
Alistair Wiseman
@dpk199625:
The Democratic party is the party of killing nascent human life.
And they are proud of it.
darian
@Alistair Wiseman: @Alistair Wiseman: And?
dwes09
@dpk199625: Very frequently, men are involved in the choice of a woman to end a pregnancy. If the women have been coerced or abused or abandoned, the man’s wishes are irrelevant. PREGNANCY RESULTS IN MORE DAMAGE AND DEATH THAN ABORTION DOES, AND IS 4 TIMES AS DANGEROUS AS EVEN LATE TERM ABORTION ESPECIALLY IN THE US WHERE RIGHT WING IDIOTS (LIKE YOU?) HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEGRADATION OF MEDICAL CARE, ESPECIALLY FOR WOMEN IN POVERTY. Do you have any connection to reality at all or simply deal in your myths and the products of your imagination? And what is an obviously heterosexual evangelical christian anti choicer doing here any way?
We are unrepentant gay men with no regard at all for the likes of hatred filled people like you! No candidate who desires to overthrow roe v wade will ever get into the white house, not while there are people with respect and regard for women’s lives voting!
Curty
Trump was the only one I could stomach… that’s saying something… at least he has a personality and likable and nut a religious nutjob. My boyfriend said Cruz is gay! No wonder he is so anti gay.
dwes09
@Alistair Wiseman:
“The Democratic party is the party of killing nascent human life.
And they are proud of it.”
No, the Democratic party is the party of rational, multi-faceted policy about familt planning and sex education. Please get your facts right (or at least learn what a fact is, as opposed to whatever bubbles up from your imagination).
Why are right wing heterosexual men such as yourselves so concerned with restricting the freedom of most women in so many ways? Aren’t heteros supposed to love women?
dpk199625
@dwes09: Democrats have a tendency to argue more with their feelings than substance. Calling people ignorant and stupid because they disagree with your stance is childish. I know you don’t agree with me and never will, but I just think there is a responsibility when it comes to sex both straight and gay. If birth control fails, then yes, I think they need to go through with having the baby. And while at first it might be an adjustment, at the end of the day no matter the hardships it may bring babies bring more joy to peoples lives then bad. You make it sound like bringing a child into this would that may have not been planned is a horrible thing when its the opposite. As far as the woman’s health during the pregnancy; if she could die then yes I believe in exceptions because that’s a whole other ball game. But late term abortions are really sick and I could never understand anyone’s reasoning. Back in 2013 Dr. Kermit Gosnell went to jail for performing abortions and partial birth abortions. During the trial nurses who worked for him gave testimony of some of the baby’s actually crying before he snapped their necks….I would hope that most find that sick and twisted.
nocibur61739
@Sheldon Siegel: Don’t you mean “MASTERbate”?
nocibur61739
@Ladbrook: I agree! Even the “highlights” from this morning news was BLAAAAAAH….
OzJosh
It surely says something when you line up eleven representatives of an organisation and EVERY ONE of them is intellectually challenged and hateful. And more than half are crazy enough that, were it not for their privilege, their behaviour would not be tolerated in most social settings. I hope devoted Republicans will pause for just a few seconds to reflect on this. Unless every one of these guys in unrepresentative, then maybe your views are repugnant too.
Alistair Wiseman
@dwes09:
Do you really think calling me heterosexual is an advantageous debating strategy? I think my boyfriend would be surprised.
“…the Democratic party is the party of rational, multi-faceted policy about familt [sic] planning and sex education” that loves to destroy nascent human life whether it is an embryo or a full term healthy baby. It is sad that a political party believes that a healthy baby’s life is only worthy of life if the mother wants it. Otherwise, it has no meaning and must be mutilated and destroyed.
That’s progressive.
nocibur61739
@motorcycle: I’m sorry PRESIDENT Obama piss’es you off but, when YOU OPEN YOUR EYES, you will see he is one of the greatest PRESIDENTS we have had and cleaning up from the previous “president’s” (AND VP’s!) mess they left behind. Come on now, educate yourself before looking like a fool. PLEASE! Do your research on how much MONEY Bush and his VP(?) made off with in the 2 wars they wrangled us Americans into all due to A.) “This is a guy [Sadam] who tried to kill my father.” AND B.) All the Money they made off the backs of INNOCENT people! NOT only our soldiers/sons/fathers/brothers but others who have SACRIFICED THEIR lives and ALL the civilians who were caught in the crossfire! People need to EDUCATE themselves this time around. Have empathy and learn from the overwhelming FACTS left over from the last “leader”.
nocibur61739
Don’t argue with uneducated/ignorant people. They do not comprehend intelligent conversation and will not open their minds to thoughtful persuasion. Just like trolls, ignore them. they are out there but, one not needs to feed them. You will have this in life. Just don’t let it interfere with yours. They are looking for attention they do not, nor ever had in life. SAD… [Me?] Gay, Democrat all the way. Can you say empathy for all people? Not just a few? GROW~UP.
Alistair Wiseman
@nocibur61739:
“PLEASE! Do your research on how much MONEY Bush and his (VP)? made off with….”
Since you are advocating research, tell us from your research, how much money did Bush make off with?
Bob LaBlah
@nocibur61739: The one you want to focus on is Cheney and the company Haliburton. Haliburton is a publicly traded company which means a lot of information on its officers is public knowledge/display. Fuck Bush. It was obvious from jump street (the election mess of 2000/Florida) that NO sitting republican wanted him as president because during that ENTIRE debacle not ONE of them came forward in his defense as the winner. I say again, not ONE. What does THAT tell you?
He had no other choice but to pick Cheney as his running mate because NO ONE wanted to run with him. Fred Thompson of Tennessee is on record saying he was leaving office (not running for reelection) because he was NOT going to serve in a Bush Administration. And he was a republican (Thompson) under no threat for reelection. Many of them were disgusted by what happened but knew they had no other choice but to go along with it. They ALL regret it now.
As I said, fuck Bush and concentrate on Cheney. He was the brains behind the scene as far as the money goes. Want a contract fixing Iraq after Bush broke it? Cheney and Hailburton were the ones to see. It was very obvious. Blind trust my ass.
tjr101
Wow, so many gay republicans out in force defending the anti-gay batsh*t crazy GOP!
onthemark
@dpk199625: “Well hopefully by making abortion illegal, that would eliminate the potential prison sentences. But I think that would be up to a judge to decide the length of the prison sentence for the woman and the doctor that performed the illegal procedure.”
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Well, come on, THAT doesn’t sound much like “murder.” A statute where there isn’t even a penalty specified? Sounds more like littering than murder. What if the judge sentences them to a week of picking up trash on the freeway, how’s that?
You prove it: deep down, nobody really believes abortion is “murder,” not even you. You expose the fallacy at the heart of all this nonsense. It’s all wishful thinking on the part of the anti-abortion wackos, as long as they keep it all as vague as possible and refuse to specify what the sentence would be. The public would dislike any long sentence and there’d be a backlash against Republicans.
Billy Budd
Can a gay guy be a republicans? Can pigs fly? I don’t understand!
dr35
@alexander@Alexander R. Rodriguez: couldn’t agree more, and here’s why. This article is pure hypocrisy. This writer claims that all republicans want to do is generalize the lgbt community, and stereotype us into one. But how is this article any different? These 11 candidates don’t share identical theories on every civil issue, but you just summed up their entire debate as if they do, when in reality gay marriage played a very small part of last nights event. So if you’re going to sum up a debate, why don’t you get into specifics, and not just generalize them all as “crazy”. You can say all you want to about their party, but several of these guys are FAR from crazy, and would make a far better President, and mosy importantly LEADER, than any of the democratic candidates I’ve heard so far.
And for the record, several of these candidates have supported the states rights to vote on marriage equality, and let the people choose. That’s democracy. That’s America.
Marriage is legal and equal to all now. Can we move past this and onto the issues truly plaguing our growth as a nation right now? Thanks.
Oh wait, I just realized I’m reading QUEERTY.
Alistair Wiseman
@tjr101: @Billy Budd:
All gays don’t drink the DNC kool-aid.
Giancarlo85
@dpk199625: It’s all about being anti-women, anti-logic and anti-intelligence. That is what the republican is all about. Look at the delusional demented rantings of our resident troll Alistair. Your questions are STUPID. Beyond stupid. The woman is the one holding the child. It is her body. Unlike you, I don’t subscribe to this 19th century Victorian era thinking that women belong to men.
@dpk199625: You are deeply ignorant and deeply stupid. This is what happens when you refuse to think on your own and think independently. Conservative thinking is all about “group thinking”. If a major conservative says something, you must believe it and repeat it.
@Alistair Wiseman: What this little tool doesn’t realize is the massive overwhelming majority (almost 97% of LGBTQQI people) are NOT republican or conservative. This is because most of us use our heads. We actually think. We actually come up with our own independent thoughts and don’t use stupid doctored videos.
You gay conservatives are so clueless! You don’t realize the damage the republican party has done. You’re drinking their POISON and believing it. The republican party has gutted one of the few pieces of meaningful financial reform, in the form of the Frank-Dodd reforms. Funny whenever I bring up Frank-Dodd all the pipsqueak republicans on here disappear and say nothing to me. They know I’m right. The GOP gutted the Frank-Dodd reforms and left this country once again vulnerable to illegal activity in Wall Street. And all you can do is complain about abortion and stupid fucking doctored videos.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: Found not guilty. Dumbass.
@Alistair Wiseman: Holy fucking shit. The republicans killed over 400,000 Iraqis. Ranking up there with Idi Amin. You left Iraq in such a fantastic state right?
It’s because of ignoramuses like you, ISIL even exists. You fucking CREATED ISIL.
Republicans CREATED ISIL. This is a FACT. DEAL WITH IT!
Giancarlo85
@dr35: Oh wow another GAY republican. Another drone who refuses to think on his own therefore must agree with other posts point blank.
“but you just summed up their entire debate as if they do, when in reality gay marriage played a very small part of last nights event.”
Absolutely. Marriage wasn’t a big part of last nights event. They just voiced all their other stupid outrageous and ridiculous viewpoints about other issues they have no clue about.
“So if you’re going to sum up a debate, why don’t you get into specifics”
What specifics? Care to name some yourself? It just seem all huffing and puffing to me. I’m still waiting for Carly Fiorina to explain how she single handedly destroyed a company and laid off 30,000 Americans. I’m still waiting…
“You can say all you want to about their party, but several of these guys are FAR from crazy, and would make a far better President, and mosy importantly LEADER, than any of the democratic candidates I’ve heard so far. ”
Like who? They are all crazy. Name me one that is sane. Please I want to hear it. And how would they be a better President or leader than the Democratic candidates? Describe their viewpoints and how they would be better than Obama’s or any of the democratic candidates running to replace him?
“And for the record, several of these candidates have supported the states rights to vote on marriage equality, and let the people choose. That’s democracy. That’s America. ”
Wrong. People do NOT have the right to voice on matters involving legal and civil issues. The Court (which is part of the American SYSTEM of government and the Constitution) has ruled countless times and tossed out many amendments. Amendments, which are voted on, can be ruled unconstitutional.
“Can we move past this and onto the issues truly plaguing our growth as a nation right now?”
Absolutely. I’m trying to discuss how the republicans are damaging and hurting this country and selling this country out to corporations. You, on the other hand, subscribe to platitudes and generalizations.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *to vote on matters involving legal and civil issues (according to the US Supreme Court).
You don’t get to vote on everything. This isn’t a direct democracy. It’s a representative republic with three branches of government, including the Judicial branch.
Dr35, you need to take a civics course.
Alistair Wiseman
@onthemark:
You stated, “…deep down, nobody really believes abortion is “murder”….”
Sure they do! Partial-birth abortion is absolutely infanticide, AKA murder. Anyone who would disagree with that statement does not know what partial-birth entails or they have a broken moral compass.
When President Obama was an Illinois state senator, he voted against the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act. This is different than a partial-birth abortion, in that babies who survived an unsuccessful abortion “were simply discarded in utility closets without food, care or medical treatment until they died.”
That’s our President! Absolutely disgusting and abhorrent.
But hey, he came around on gay marriage a couple of years ago and that is all that matters. Right?
More info:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/290764/clarifying-obamas-vote-born-alive-peter-kirsanow
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
“Found not guilty”
You forgot to add “by the Senate”.
He was found guilty in the House of Representatives and thus, he was impeached.
The Senate did have the same outcome as the House so he was not removed from office. He lost his law license and is one of only two impeached president.
bambamboom777
The GOP has become a big joke. The only thing more sad than this group of candidates are the right-wing gays who are willing to grovel for whatever crumbs the Republican Party is willing let them lick off the floor. I can’t see how any intelligent person, straight or gay, could not be appalled at this sorry group of neanderthals, but for an lgbtq person to defend them is absolutely absurd. That’s not being intolerant of dissent as some of these GOProud types like to claim either.
You are free to have any political opinion you wish, but when your choices are absolutely absurd, don’t expect a pat on the back or awe at how ironic and unique you are for supporting an organization dedicated to making us second class citizens or even worse, criminals. When you invite Ann Coulter as an honored guest speaker to your events, you lose the respect of anyone who has the ability to think critically. The GOP is dedicated to doing real and tangible harm to the people of our community and to defend and support such an enemy is appalling.
jwtraveler
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: A couple of decades ago, Sen. Orrin Hatch seemed like a right-wing extremist. Today he is a moderate compared to the Republican lunatics in Congress and running for president. You may not like Clinton and Sanders, but there is no prominent Democrat who can compete with the Republicans in the crazy race.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: You’re a total buffoon. Do you have anything else stupid to add? You are a joke and everything you post is linear garbage that has been repeated a thousands time over.
You are absolutely disgusting and abhorrent. I guess when the republican party advocates bombing other countries… it’s fine. If babies die somewhere else, it’s patriotic.
National Review is trash. Just like every other wingnut source you come up with.
“But hey, he came around on gay marriage a couple of years ago and that is all that matters. Right?”
You know what matters? His real stand on issues as a whole. He saved this country from an economic depression you dumb fucks created.
@Alistair Wiseman: He wasn’t impeached per say. He wasn’t removed from office, and the House of Representatives overstepped their bounds. The Senate overruled them.
Either way, an illegal proceeding by a bunch of self loathing republican right wing asshole hypocrites.
Alistair Wiseman
@bambamboom777:
If you are only a one issue voter concerned with the gay rights then the Democratic Party is your party. It’s all the other issues that come with Leftism that has created groups like the Log Cabin Republicans.
Giancarlo85
Funny how Alistair refuses to address anything else in my posts. He can only talk about abortion and Bill Clinton. This guy is beyond ignorant. Same old republican stupidity.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: You seem to be a single issue voter. All you care about is abortion.
” It’s all the other issues that come with Leftism that has created groups like the Log Cabin Republicans.”
Oh fucking wow. Leftism actually addresses issues, like economic problems. All the Log Cabin republicans do is address nothing at all. What has the LCR ever done to help anyone? What policies do they advocate?
I keep asking this over and over again. What policies do republicans advocate that are beneficial to this country? Again fucking crickets!
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT, PRESIDENT CLINTON WAS IMPEACHED. IT IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE, IT IS HISTORY. IT IS A FACT, LOOK IT UP – MOVE ON!
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: You’re an idiot who doesn’t know how to read. Get off the drugs, and take a closer look at what I wrote. The House overstepped their bounds and many of them should have been impeached themselves. Either way, you can’t deal with the reality and history I have fucking stated.
I state the facts over and over for you, and your simpleton mind doesn’t accept them. Not my problem.
Giancarlo85
I get it… Alistair… you are a one track mind. You can’t think of complex issues, so you stick to platitudes. Right wing shit that has been posted over and over again…
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
You stated, “…the massive overwhelming majority (almost 97% of LGBTQQI people) are NOT republican or conservative.”
Wow, that is alot! Care to back up those numbers, please.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: And he’s still posting his same old shit and platitudes… if you’re queer, you know you can’t be right wing. Just that simple. If you’re right wing and LGBTQQI, you’re a fucking contradiction! You contradict your very existence.
jwtraveler
@BJ McFrisky: Fascinating. Defending the craziness and stupidity expressed by the Republicans by criticizing your fantasy of what the Democrats are GOING TO say. This is the exactly the kind of brilliant reasoning that gets these crazy Republicans into office in the first place.
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
I asked for a source, please. Thank you.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: Oh look guys… he’s asking for a “source”. As if he ever provides any of his own. Must be all the oxycontin.
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
You stated, “He (Obama) saved this country from an economic depression….”
According to the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research (how about that source?), the official arbiter of U.S. recessions, stated that the recession officially ended in June 2009.
So the recession ended 5 months after President Obama took office. Please list for me the economic bills and/or actions that Obama implemented that got us out the recession in 5 months.
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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5530597
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
Since you can’t back-up your claim, here are the voting percentages for gays and lesbians that voted Republican by year/candidate/percentage of vote.
2012 Romney 22%
2008 McCain 27%
2004 Bush 23%
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2004/
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2008/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/the-high-value-of-the-gay-vote/2012/11/19/91bff642-303e-11e2-ac4a-33b8b41fb531_blog.html
dpk199625
@Giancarlo85: Is it the woman’s body who decided to abort her pregnancy the one lying in pieces in a Petri dish with someone in a lab coat picking through the body parts deciding which ones are good and bad? I think not. The “it’s a woman’s body” argument doesn’t make sense, she’s still alive and her child has been terminated. On another note, you’re an amateur debater. Your main arguments are heated emotional outbursts where you tell others they’re stupid idiots. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you’re still in high school getting all your facts from your liberal union teachers and the gang over at MSNBC.
Louis
To put it bluntly the LGBT community is fucking screwed if ANY of these people win the presidency.
This….sucks on so many levels for our country not just for our community.
Louis
@dpk199625: To be fair it actually is a womens body that’s why people say that because it is a womans decision as to whether she carries a child to term or not.
A man can not make that decision for a woman considering they have no idea how difficult a decision like that is.
There is also an example many use which is a valid example if a woman is raped not many women would want to bring that baby to term being as the baby would be a constant example of what happened to them .
However from what I have read a baby is not even fully developed in the womb when abortion takes place.
Ive been on the fence with this for a while now I understand it and respect their right to choose what they wish to do with their bodies.
However if a woman gets pregnant and doesn’t want a child that’s not a viable nor reasonable reason to have an abortion adoption is always an option in that regard.
As I said im on the fence this has always been such a hot button and controversial subject I love children though id never have any of my own even through adoption simply because I don’t have the patience for that god speed to those who do I respect them.
On one hand I understand it and completely respect their rights to their own bodies on the other hand I don’t know the other aspect of people calling it murder and then others saying they aren’t fully developed its difficult for me to really articulate on this subject to be honest.
I don’t want any baby to be murdered that always breaks my heart when I see news that parents killed their children or teen girls left their babies in bathrooms or dumpsters.
I have a lot of compassion and empathy for these women who have abortions but as I said its hard to articulate it for me anyways.
Basically I respect it and on the other hand I don’t like taking the life of an unborn child as I said this is a difficult subject and for many who have actually had abortions a very painful and sensitive one that id never slam them for considering none of us realistically know the circumstances at the time when they had it done.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: He is back at it. Posting his bullshit. The effects of the recession were felt for years after it officially ended. Unemployment was elevated for years. You have no clue what you are talking about.
@Alistair Wiseman: Those numbers are meaningless as many do not actually vote. Maybe you should consider that instead. But those numbers do prove a certain small segment of our community is really ignorant and misinformed in their voting decisions.
@dpk199625: I am an amateur? You are the one that is and you are also a liar. Not once have you backed up anything you have said. You argue with excessive emotions. You do not use facts. You haven’t posted anything factual. The entire basis for your antichoice anti women argument is all emotion and not fact. You failed miserably in not realizing the Planned Parenthood videos were doctored. They were fake exaggerations. You ran with the assumption that those videos were real. This is where your argument falls apart completely.
Oh and when I call someone a misinformed idiot that is based on what they write here. It appears you have very little experience actually debating and all you are doing is repeating what you are told. You never actually debunked anything about my argument. Why is the argument about it being her body wrong? She has a right over her own body. She is the one that made the decision. You should also focus more on the hundreds of thousands of kids in this country who are stuck in the foster care system. You conservatives don’t really care about life after it is born.
And you are calling me an amateur? You are a hypocrite. You cannot handle some heat and criticism of your poorly supported arguments. How old are you? 15 or 16? It appears to be the case. By the way, I finished graduate school three years ago if my username is any indication (I am 30). I am also far more skilled at this then you.
Giancarlo85
@Louis: He never actually said why the argument is wrong.
I can’t believe all these right wing trolls are showing up. There is something seriously wrong with you if you vote and support a political party that is against your very existence. I think it might be self loathing.
visualjohn
@Alexander R. Rodriguez:
Gay Left Hatred? The Republican Party has worked for years to demonize the GLBT community.
Or hasn’t this self loathing Log Cabin Republican paid attention. Perhaps Señor Rodriquez would like to entertain us with stories of how the GOP has nothing but love for Hispanic population as well?
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
You stated, “Those numbers are meaningless as many do not actually vote.”
Well, if you had bothered to look at the attachments you would see those numbers are from EXIT POLLING!
First, you criticize that I don’t have a source and then when I do, you don’t read it.
Still waiting on your source(s) that gays and lesbians vote 97% for the Democratic presidential candidates.
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
You stated, “He (Obama) saved this country from an economic depression….”
You didn’t answer my question. As I stated before, the recession ended 5 months after President Obama took office. Please list for me the economic bills and/or actions that Obama implemented that got us out of the recession in 5 months.
You stated, “he saved this country”. How?
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
You stated, “I can’t believe all these right wing trolls are showing up.”
Dissent will NOT be tolerated. We love diversity (of skin color and genitalia only, not thought)., said Comrade Giancarlo.
onthemark
@Alistair Wiseman: So I’ll ask you the same question I asked dpk199625.
After abortion is illegal (again), what prison sentence do you want for a woman who gets an abortion?
Not the “practitioner,” since there may not even be one after it’s illegal again. The woman, who may have done it herself with a coathanger or whatever.
If you answer anything but “life sentence” (or knowing you, “death penalty”), you don’t really believe it’s murder and you’re a hypocrite. If you DO answer “life sentence” (or “death penalty”) the voters will think you guys are absolutely fvcking nuts and they’ll punish you. Take your pick!
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: Exit polling is based on voters. You really can’t be this stupid in person or are you? You sir are a misinformed idiot.
@Alistair Wiseman: Various Wall Street reforms, financial reforms and regulatory rules such as Frank Dodd.
@Alistair Wiseman: you continue with the idiocy. First off, you vote for a political party that hates dissent. Conservatives cant stand dissent.
BJ McFrisky
@jwtraveler: Jesus, dude, grow a sense of humor.
Kangol
@Alistair Wiseman: I don’t think you understand what “impeach” means. The Republicans attempted to impeach Bill Clinton, but failed. He was not removed from office, thus HE WAS NOT IMPEACHED.
Got that now?
@Giancarlo85: There are so many self-loathing, greedy, r@cist, hom0phobic and misogynistic gay people out there who support the GOP, thinking that they will not be oppressed by the very anti-gay people they support. It’s sad but there are too many people like this.
Kangol
@Alistair Wiseman: Here you go, since facts might be your friends: Campaign for America’s Future: Bush vs. Obama on the economy
Barack Obama’s use of monetary policy (0% interests rates, Federal Reserve policy under Bernanke and now Janet Yellen, support for exports, etc.), and fiscal policy (the stimulus bill, the payroll tax holiday, lower taxes for middle and working-class people since the fiscal cliff, targeted support of industries like the auto industry, smart manufacturing, clean energy, etc.) have all benefited the US economy. It is growing at its fastest level since Bill Clinton was president, and at one of the fastest clips in the last 35 years. Also, the country has created over 9 million private sector jobs alone, even in the midst of the GOP-imposed financial sequester (austerity) and the lowest number of federal government jobs in decades. I’ll stop there, but you probably already know all of this, right?
onthemark
@Kangol: No, he was impeached, but he was not convicted. Similarly, Andrew Johnson was also impeached, but he was not convicted. It’s a fairly minor point of terminology and I know that, BEFORE Clinton was impeached, most Americans misunderstood the term the way you are doing now (since Johnson had been over a century earlier). But jeez, Clinton wasn’t THAT long ago. There were huge newspaper headlines saying CLINTON IS IMPEACHED.
And yes, Republicans overreached, got greedy (as uaual) and paid the price!
Giancarlo85
@Kangol: Thanks for posting those specifics. I was only discussing regulatory laws, but those are good points too. The sad part is how republicans proceeded to gut the Frank-Dodd rules and that relaxation of reforms makes us vulnerable to future recessions.
Republicans love recessions. The last three or four Republican presidencies ended up in recession.
Giancarlo85
@Kangol: The gay republicans and conservatives on here claim that they care about “other issues”. They also claim they support the party because it is “better for the economy”.
It’s hilarious they try to use that “it’s better for my checkbook” crapshoot of an argument. Republicans have been bad for the economy. The last thirty years of republican bullshit pretty much proves that.
You know what really pisses me off? When a gay conservative says most gay people only care about one issue. I just spit on their face when they say that. We care a lot more about one issue because we have jobs and a future to care about. Conservatives offer nothing but economic and social misery.
1EqualityUSA
Credit card companies were regulated as well.
darian
I find it funny on the topic of equality alot of you log cabin queens are silent as lambs, but poof you guys come out of the wood works to not discuss that topic or the many other social and economical flaws of the Republican party but to slam abortion. How the f*ck does that work?
Arcamenel
Bernie Sanders is shaping up to get both Iowa and New Hampshire. In polls based on likeability he defeats Hilary by a very wide margin. In national polls he is ahead of every republican candidate. How the hell is he not electable?
Make no mistake that if he gets the nomination he’s going to get the black vote regardless. Black people vote democrat. You get a few loose screws like Carson who forgot where they came from but whoever gets the democratic ticket is going to get the black vote.
Bauhaus
@darian:
Republicans need something or some group to get all hot and bothered about, and to blame problems on – women, immigrants, gays, unions, minorities, have always been easy targets. Just a big distraction, so they can try to force through their awful economic agenda.
Alistair Wiseman
@onthemark:
You have set up a false narrative.
First of all, not all murders receive the death penalty. Nationally, approximately 2% of murderers receive the death penalty.
You are correct, that many people do not consider an abortion to be murder, especially in the first trimester. However, there are many people who believe that life begins at conception.
You stated, “If you answer anything but “life sentence” (or knowing you, “death penalty”) you don’t really believe it’s murder and you’re a hypocrite.” How does that make me a hypocrite? Explain that logic. No one is advocating the death penalty for someone who gets an abortion. Only 2% of U.S. murderers get the death penalty.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: You are starting to collapse in your argument and your entire sense of logic. You have failed to respond to other claims because you know you were wrong. So you go back to abortion. You are just a liar and not a very good one at that.
I don’t care what “many people think”. Life doesn’t begin at conception. That is a stupid argument that has been debunked many times. But then again, there are many people who believe in imaginary beings too.
youarekiddingme
@Kangol:
Don’t worry Alistair will come up with some bullsh@t Op-Ed article or one of his Right-Wing Conservative “Magazines” to support his claims as he always does…He flys around like a gnat with no useful purpose other than to piss people off.
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85:
We can go a step further with his rediculus “life begins at conception” argument. Life begins with the live semen…Does it not? You Alistar, by your logic, are a mass murderer!
Alistair Wiseman
@Kangol:
You stated, “I don’t think you understand what “impeach” means. The Republicans attempted to impeach Bill Clinton, but failed. He was not removed from office, thus HE WAS NOT IMPEACHED. Got that now?”
Um…no I don’t. Really? Between Giancarlo and now you, how many times do I have to go over this? This really is basic U.S. History 101.
President Bill Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives in December 1998 on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. Afterwards, the Senate voted to acquit the President as they did not have the 2/3’s majority (which is rightfully difficult to attain) to fully process his impeachment and remove him from office.
He was not removed from office by the Senate, but he was impeached by the House of Representatives.
Can we move on now?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_and_acquittal_of_Bill_Clinton
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman:
What does Acquittal Mean? Give you one hint: Found not guilty of charges…. Senate couldn’t get 2/3 majority it needed. That’s right. That’s how our justice system is designed…innocent until proven guilty…beyond a reasonable doubt…12 jurors to convict on capital crimes. See how this works now?
In criminal court, if you’re found guilty in one court, but appeal to another and are acquitted, what does that mean?
Not guilty of what charges? The two charges of impeachment that the House brought against Clinton.
Now do you understand?
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman:
Perhaps I am wrong. In your world if you are convicted of a crime and later “acquitted,” you are still guilty of that crime huh?
Alistair Wiseman
@youarekiddingme:
You stated, “Perhaps I am wrong.”
Yes, you are wrong.
I feel you are just trolling now. The man was impeached by the House. I know that upsets you, but it is history.
I’m sure you have heard of a search engine, look it up for yourself. I gave you a starter link in my previous post, did you read it?
No matter how much you type on the pages of Queerty, President Clinton will always be remembered for being an impeached president.
darian
Look lets not be distracted by the elephants in the room. Not one person up on that stage believes in passing legislation that combats: Climate change, income inequality, and discrimination. In my opinion that’s a lethal combination. Not one of them had an answer to do with trying to anything to try and save lives of anything that wasn’t a fetus. To me that is the most dangerous type of leader ever.
aliengod
@Alistair Wiseman: There’s no way you’re going to change the minds of most of the people on here. They care about one issue, LGB rights, and don’t give a shit about anything beyond that.
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman:
I read your pathetic wikipedia link…did you?
Did you read the part where it said “ACQUITTED?”
Acquitted = NOT GUILTY OF CHAGES (i.e., Impeachment Charges)
Trolling? You pathetic Moron! Every time you are proven wrong on a fact you NEVER admit it. I have done so in the past in a previous post with you but you seem to RIGHT on EVERYTHING you say.
You don’t read your own posts completely. You have no idea what the definition of the word acquittal means. You won’t address it. You lose again. Btw, Dewey was elected President too you putz…doesn’t make that true either! (Just because the paper said Clinton was impeached…he was later acquitted)!
Alistair Wiseman
@youarekiddingme:
Doubling down? Really?
I’m doing my best not to insult you, but is a challenge. If you don’t like my link, find another link. Go to the library, or the bookstore.
If the internet, library and bookstore don’t satisfy your dissatisfaction with the ruling, then take it up with the U.S. Constitution and the Supreme Court.
Alistair Wiseman
@aliengod:
You are right, it really is kind of sad. It’s like debating someone with Tourette’s syndrome.
darian
@youarekiddingme: If someone doesn’t understand what acquittal means let it go. You might as well be debating him on what the word “is” is. In Republican land he’ll always be the impeached president. Keep in mind MAJORITY of these same people don’t believe scientist and that there a virgin can give birth lol.
Louis
@Giancarlo85: I don’t understand how anyone could align themselves with a party that never takes their best interests to heart much less shows them respect integrity and common human decency as human beings.
youarekiddingme
@darian:
You are correct. Had the same problem with this before. Like a crazy cat chasing its own tail.
Stefano
@darian: i love it ! You are so right !
Stefano
You can also had that in the Republican World, there is no question of human rights but only a few who lead and the others who obey. Lol
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: The impeachment process was politically driven and not based on facts. It backfired and he was acquitted of any wrong-doing, while Newt Gingrich was cheating and divorcing his cancer stricken wife (contrary to some reports she did survive, but he did divorce her).
@aliengod: Wow, really? I have time and time again discussed various topics, including financial/regulatory rules reforms, the environment, infrastructure and international standing. Doesn’t sound like I’m only interested in one topic. Are you this vapid?
You’re the one that doesn’t give a shit about anything asides from aligning yourself with an incredibly destructive political party that has caused nothing but damage.
I’m deeply concerned about jobs, infrastructure, punishing white collar criminals, and health care. On any of those issues, why the hell should I vote republican when republicans have failed on each and every issue?
@Louis: I’m willing to even momentarily push aside issues regarding equal rights and treatment. I’ve brought up various other issues… republicans have been piss poor on every single one.
Someone like aliengod doesn’t possess a heart or a brain. They sound more like a drone. It is hilarious they scream “but you don’t care about any other issues”. I’ve made multiple posts on this site discussing a variety of other issues.
These people not only lack decency, they lack any form of common sense.
Giancarlo85
Someone please name me an issue republicans have succeeded at. Any issue at all. Any topic. I want to hear it. Tell me why I should vote or support them on any issue… what issue have they proposed meaningful policy on? And I’m not talking about the times of Teddy Roosevelt, but now.
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85:
Please just forget about using the word “acquitted” with that rock head. Told him and defined it to him and he refuses to accept that it means not guilty of all charges. You are wasting your time with him.
Giancarlo85
@youarekiddingme: He still thinks Clinton was guilty, except the entire process had no basis. Yes, alistair is a total block head. I bring up various issues and he quickly changes subject knowing he lost.
He’s like Rick Perry… someone going down like the Titanic.
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
@youarekiddingme:
@darian:
It is funny that you think I live in Republican world and yet none of you have produced anything that that refutes President Bill Clinton was impeached. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of articles on the internet discussing and analyzing the Clinton impeachment.
Like I said if you don’t like it, take it up with the U.S. Constitution and the Supreme Court.
(Will your sensitive little feelings feel better if you know that the other impeached president was a Republican, Andrew Johnson?)
I live on earth, please join me.
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
You stated, “Someone please name me an issue republicans have succeeded at.”
I have one! They suceeded at impeaching President Clinton.
(Sorry, I couldn’t resist.)
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
You stated, “…Newt Gingrich was cheating and divorcing his cancer stricken wife (contrary to some reports she did survive, but he did divorce her).”
I’ll take your assertion at face value. Are you stating that cheating and divorcing is worthy of impeachment? If not, why are you bringing it up on a discussion regarding impeachment?
This may come as a surprise to you, but President Clinton was not impeached because he was getting blowjobs and sticking cigars up Monica’s cooter. He was not impeached for an extramarital affair, but for perjury and obstruction of justice.
Alistair Wiseman
@darian:
You stated, “Not one person up on that stage believes in passing legislation that combats: Climate change, income inequality, and discrimination.”
As far as I remember, within the 3 hour debate, no candidate was ASKED about income inequality and discrimination.
Let me ask you, in the 6 1/2 years that we have had Savior Obama as president, what has he done about climate change, income inequality and discrimination?
Keep in mind, the first two years President Obama had majorities in both the House and the Senate could approve legislature as he wished.
Also, name a time in our history when we had income equality!
Alistair Wiseman
@Kangol:
You stated, “It is growing at its fastest level since Bill Clinton was president, and at one of the fastest clips in the last 35 years.”
Obviously, you have not been paying attention. Even the mainstream media has been reporting that this has been the slowest recovery since World War II.
Besides, you did not answer my question, what did President Obama do in 5 months to get us out of the recession. (I’ll give you a little hint – nothing. This is obviously further evidenced by you and Giancarlo not being able to state ANY policies or actions implemented by the president.)
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/27-economic-facts-obama-should-avoid-mentioning-his-sotu
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/facts-are-facts-obama-owns-worst-economic-numbers-in-80-years-since-1932/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/trangho/2015/09/13/is-the-u-s-economy-going-to-crash-this-year/
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
First Giancarlo said, “What this little tool doesn’t realize is the massive overwhelming majority (almost 97% of LGBTQQI people) are NOT republican or conservative.”
I responded, “Wow, that is alot! Care to back up those numbers, please.”
His response, “If you’re right wing and LGBTQQI, you’re a fucking contradiction! You contradict your very existence.” (Deep, I know.)
I responded, “I asked for a source, please. Thank you”
His response, “Oh look guys… he’s asking for a “source”. As if he ever provides any of his own. Must be all the oxycontin.
I responded, “Since you can’t back-up your claim, here are the voting percentages for gays and lesbians that voted Republican by year/candidate/percentage of vote.”
2012 Romney 22%
2008 McCain 27%
2004 Bush 23%
(There are 3 links that I provided for each election.)
His response, “Those numbers are meaningless as many do not actually vote. Maybe you should consider that instead. But those numbers do prove a certain small segment of our community is really ignorant and misinformed in their voting decisions.”
I informed him, “Well, if you had bothered to look at the attachments you would see those numbers are from EXIT POLLING! Still waiting on your source(s) that gays and lesbians vote 97% for the Democratic presidential candidates.”
His response, “Exit polling is based on voters. You really can’t be this stupid in person or are you? You sir are a misinformed idiot.
Yes, exit polling is based on actual voters!!! Apparently by Giancarlo’s logic, we should all poll voters who did not actually vote that day!
So I am going to ask you for the last time, either supply your source for the “almost 97%” or admit you are wrong and that you have no source.
I, unlike you, supplied the percentages of gay and lesbian voters and the percentage of their vote for the Republican presidential candidate WITH A SOURCE ATTACHED.
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
I posted, “You stated, “He (Obama) saved this country from an economic depression….”
According to the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research (how about that source?), the official arbiter of U.S. recessions, stated that the recession officially ended in June 2009.
So the recession ended 5 months after President Obama took office. Please list for me the economic bills and/or actions that Obama implemented that got us out the recession in 5 months”
Your “response”, ” Various Wall Street reforms, financial reforms and regulatory rules such as Frank Dodd.”
Really? Frank-Dodd was signed into law in July of of 2010, that would be 1 1/2 years after the recession concluded as stated by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Research.
Please tell me more about these various Wall Street and financial reforms, I would like to hear more about them.
(I will give you hint what President Obama did to get us out to the recession – NOTHING.)
Giancarlo85
Wow five posts and he still didn’t say anything. He also tried to claim the US economy is going to crash this year and cited bullshit sources. You really have to wonder if he is a bot. I backed myself up multiple times and all this blithering idiot can do is repeat himself. He hasn’t said anything new and just keeps rehashing the same crap. And he has the audacity to ask me for sources? Where are his? And I am not talking about right wing blogs and crapshoot articles.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: Except they didn’t succeed at removing him from office. And you failed to answer my question. That is because you know you are wrong.
Oh and let me correct myself… Seven posts and you didn’t say shit.
@Alistair Wiseman: More random bullshit with right wing blogs and bullshit. Unemployment is at its lowest levels in years, economic growth has been steady and solid. There is no indication the US economy is slowing down at all, despite what is happening in China… Which has all indications of stabilizing.
@Alistair Wiseman: if you actually read my post you would notice I didn’t mention voters. But that is your problem… You can’t read and you post regurgitated bullshit. Exit polling has been notoriously unreliable in the past few elections. I highly doubt 22% of our community would even think about voting for the republican idiocy party.
Funny his you can’t even name one policy they succeed at. You go on and on about some failed impeached more than a decade ago. You can’t even answer questions and your assertions about Obama are based on complete and total falsehoods.
@Alistair Wiseman: And now the moron is trying to claim Obama has done nothing, yet he can’t back himself up. This tool really does live in Republican fantasy land. All he can talk about is Bill Clinton and the false politically motivated charges against him.
This buffoon doesn’t even have ground to walk on.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: * you go on and on about some failed impeachment.
I wonder if you are even real. Not even the Republican party is as stupid and self destructive as you.
1EqualityUSA
Giancarlo86, his arrogance is getting under my skin. Alistair has a ton of time on his hands. His views are not respected, yet he overbearingly demands other posters to engage in his twisted rendering of American life and then adds “[sic}” for any typos quoted. blaaaah. There is a “T” word that applies. A wise commenter once said, “Deprive it of oxygen and he’ll go away.” Stop feeding him and he’ll flit away to some other site and be a total pill somewhere else. This is where his “diversity” spiel comes in handy, as though pulling tools from a toolbox, a never-ending cycle of bullshit. Anyone endorsing Ted Cruz lost credibility long ago. Deprive it of oxygen.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: Here are some real sources that now debunk all the republican lies about the economy. These are based on facts and not fantasy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/12/the-gop-should-stop-lying-about-obama-s-economy.html – Stop lying about his economic record and stop trying to spread fear. Many right wing lunatics have been claiming the economy will be crashing anytime now. Funny how they never said anything when Dubya was President and it did.
http://www.occupydemocrats.com/the-infographic-that-destroys-all-republican-lies-about-obamas-economy/ – A simple graphic that tells the truth about his economic record.
http://gawker.com/republican-candidates-compete-to-tell-the-biggest-econo-1724129719
The problem with republicans is they constantly lie about everything. They lie about the economic growth, they lie about the job growth and they downplay everything with distorted figures. They have never provided any proof.
Giancarlo85
@1EqualityUSA: He simply repeats himself. Not once has he said anything new. In fact in the past seven posts he made, he requoted himself. I think he has some type of delusion about how credible he is. He thinks he’s a source himself. Delusions of grandeur.
I really don’t have any words to describe how stupid he is.
1EqualityUSA
Well, thanks for tagging his ear and tracking him, but a taxidermist seems relevant.
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman:
Answer 1 question Alistair:
1. What does ACQUITTED mean?
The legal definition please…
youarekiddingme
I just noticed…all those posts when up from (from Alistair) 3:06 to 4:30 am…When no one would be around to refute them. How convenient.
1EqualityUSA
youarekiddingme, That’s so his wife won’t see how much time he spends on a gay blog.
onthemark
@Alistair Wiseman: You haven’t answered the question. It’s a simple question.
After you guys make abortion illegal again… what penalty will YOU want, written in law, for a woman who gets an abortion?
Making it illegal isn’t going to stop abortions from happening. There are still going to BE abortions. So what penalty do you want?
Giancarlo85
He’ll just repeat himself.
Now Alistair has come back as “Giancarla85”. Not very original.
darian
@Alistair Wiseman: Oh shit well look who stayed up all night to do some homework. Let me school you.
1. We’ve never had income equality in this country. The problem of income inequality is it’s the increasing gap between the working and middle classes. Here is a little research on the topic. It’s even got an animated graph for you. Enjoy:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/05/u-s-income-inequality-on-rise-for-decades-is-now-highest-since-1928/.
darian
@Alistair Wiseman: Now lets move on to climate change. As it stands the current president whom you just detests so much has put forth several plans to combat Americans effect on the environment.
https://m.whitehouse.gov/energy/climate-change
darian
@Alistair Wiseman: Now aww far as discrimination let me be more specific. As it stands the Republican party only seems to think Christians are being prosecuted. In the real world we have a disproportionate amount of blacks being thrown in jail or killed for nonviolent crimes, trans people committing suicide or being murdered at an alarming rate, and women not bring in the same amount of income as their male counterparts. Why was non of this brought up in the debate? Because those are not problems REPUBLICANS care about. The fact not one Republican isn’t bothered by these things speaks volumes about that party.
Alistair Wiseman
@onthemark:
You are putting up a false narrative and propagating an urban legend.
To answer your question, no woman would be prosecuted for having an abortion. It would be just like before Roe v. Wade, no women were prosecuted for having an abortion and were considered to be the victims.
Abortionists were the exclusive target of the law.
More info:
http://www.aul.org/2010/04/why-the-states-did-not-prosecute-women-for-abortion-before-roe-v-wade/
You may want to read about abortionist Kermit Gosnell.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/everything-you-need-to-know-about-kermit-gosnell-and-the-abortion-%E2%80%98house-of-horrors%E2%80%99-trial/
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
Sorry Giancarlo, it is not me. I wouldn’t do that.
Alistair Wiseman
@darian:
You certainly have made several assumptions.
You stated,”…the Republican party only seems to think Christians are persecuted.”
You don’t know that. You produced a list of topics you apparently wanted to be discussed, but the moderators did NOT ask them about those issues.
You stated, “…we have a disproportionate amount of blacks being thrown in jail.”
Are a disproportionate amount of blacks committing more crime? By U.S. government statics, blacks are committing a disproportionate amount of crime in proportion to the population. They should be in jail. Do you think all the police are dishonest and making false arrests? That would be alot of false arrests. It sounds like the Black community has alot of work to do on itself. Take responsibility.
By your logic, since the moderators did not ask the presidential candidates about this issue, they just don’t care about it. Hmmmm
You stated, “trans people committing suicide or being murdered at an alarming rate”
What is the federal government supposed to do on this issue that they have not already done? Isn’t this a state and local issue? Did the moderators ask them about this issue?
You stated, “women not bring in the same amount of income as their male counterparts.”
Wow, you really have the DNC talking points nailed. This is an issue that has repeatedly been debunked over and over again. If it is such an important issue, then why do both Hillary Clinton and President Obama not pay their female staffers the same as the male staffers? I have linked two articles describing this inequity.
You stated, “Why was [non] of this brought up in the debate?”
You would have to ask the moderators. The moderators were not part of the RNC and it was televised on a left-of-center network, of which, two of the moderators were CNN staff.
You stated, “The fact not one Republican isn’t bothered by these things…”
You don’t know that and are only making assumptions.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/male-female-pay-gap-remains-entrenched-at-white-house/2014/07/01/dbc6c088-0155-11e4-8fd0-3a663dfa68ac_story.html
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/02/257200-hillary-clinton-paid-female-staff-28-percent-less-men/
Alistair Wiseman
@darian:
Yes, you are correct income inequality has gotten worse under President Obama.
Savour Obama has been in office 6 1/2 years, why hasn’t he done anything about it except make it worse?
onthemark
@Alistair Wiseman: Yeah right. You might want to tell that to you wacko allies down South who have already been prosecuting women for MURDER for having miscarriages, for quite a few years now:
“Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges”
“Women’s rights campaigners see the creeping criminalisation of pregnant women as a new front in the culture wars over abortion”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/24/america-pregnant-women-murder-charges
Alistair Wiseman
@darian:
I’m glad that President Obama wants cleaner energy and a cleaner planet. We should all be good stewards of the earth.
Unfortunately, bankrupting our economy with more and more regulations is not the most advantageous way of achieving this goal.
As of 2013, $56 billion of taxpayer dollars has been wasted on failed green energy businesses. Including $535 million on Solyndra and $400 million on Abound Solar, both of which went bankrupt.
http://dailysignal.com//2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/
darian
@Alistair Wiseman: Republicans do indeed seem to think Christians are being prosecuted that’s why they are so quick to prop up Kim Davis as some sort of civil rights hero. Or have you not been paying attention?
I started that blacks are be systematically targeted by police especially for drug and nonviolent crimes because they are. You tell me how 13% of the population is jailed for crimes that are being committed at the same rate as the majority? That white supremacy narrative of “take responsibility” or “police yourselves better” is complete and utter bullshit.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3941346
The reason many young LGBT people are doing such harm to themselves is be cause many red states have passed laws to shame trans people or offer no help or protection to young LGBT people who fall victim prejudice. Hell a grown LGBT person can still fall victim to discrimination because there are no laws that say they can’t be discriminated against.
If the last 2 debates are any indication of what the Republican base cares about of course one is left to assume that the lack of discussion on the topics I’ve mentioned means that it is something that the Republican party could careless about. I’ll put it to you like this the forerunner of the party now had only laid out plans for immigration that’s it. And that plan is laughable at best.
So please do tell me how a Republican president would be great for America?
darian
@Alistair Wiseman: It’s so cool you want to spread half truths and cherry pick which clean energy companies are bankrupt. The the sector as a whole just turned a profit:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/renewable-energy-sector-growth-fuels-record-profits-as-world-economies-seek-greener-energy-solutions—solar-wind-companys-profit-up-over-1100-2015-04-21
darian
@Alistair Wiseman: And if you didn’t like that link here another:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2013/06/10/making-green-energy-profitable-the-boom-in-distributed-renewable-energy/
Alistair Wiseman
@onthemark:
I read your article from the left-leaning Guardian.
Are you really going to defend a woman who took cocaine while she was pregnant? You really are a die-hard leftist.
The autopsy reports on Rennie Gibbs baby showed “trace amounts of cocaine byproduct in the baby’s system.” (Of course the left-leaning Guardian failed to mention that part.) Thus, due to the cocaine byproduct, the medical examiner declared the baby’s death a homicide. This was later changed to “cocaine toxicity” after different examiners reviewed the autopsy results.
The charges were dismissed back in 2014.
As for the other charges, I’m glad that other people value nascent human life and are making sure women are not harming their babies.
Liberals love to say it is all about a woman’s body. No, it isn’t. It is about TWO different bodies, one dependent on the other.
darian
@Alistair Wiseman: Going back to blacks being systematically being incarcerated here’s another link seeing ill agree to the Huffington post being left leaning:
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Drug_Usage#sthash.AbYoTCaw.dpbs
With those statistics tell me how more blacks use more drugs…..because people like you and the police seem to think so.
darian
@Alistair Wiseman: Am I reading this right? Did you just say “I read your article from the left-leaning Guardian.”
Then try and use an article from daily signal? The same daily signal whose slogan is and I’m paraphrasing here ” free from liberal bias”. If that’s not the most conservative statement I don’t know what is.
Alistair Wiseman
@youarekiddingme:
Please see the attachment below from the United States Senate website. (www.senate.gov)
The other attachment contains the “Senate Publications Related to the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton (GPO).”
You will notice the official government documents state the “impeachment” of Bill Clinton, not the “acquittal” of Bill Clinton.
http://www.senate.gov/reference/Index/Impeachment.htm
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-MISCSPUB/html/GPO-MISCSPUB.html
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: He’s repeating the same lies once again.
The impeachment PROCESS failed against Clinton. It FAILED. I don’t know why we are discussing something that isn’t even relevant. It’s 2015. Not 1998. Bill Clinton is no longer President. He left office as one of the President’s with the highest approval ratings. Funny how the last few republicans left office with approval ratings lower than Fidel Castro’s approval rating here in the US.
@Alistair Wiseman: Daily Signal is garbage. Here is what happens when you don’t have enough regulations:
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,2021097,00.html – Funny how this was a precursor of what was to come.
And the grossly underreported 2014 West Virginia chemical spill. It’s stuff like this you would only think would happen in Nigeria. Nope, it has happened in this country and is covered only scantly by all media outlets, except some online publications.
http://emergency.cdc.gov/chemical/MCHM/westvirginia2014/
More and more regulations just aren’t necessary to help the economy survive (especially from corporate crimes and malfeasance), they are absolutely vital in maintaining CLEAN and TRANSPARENT economic growth. This is the situation facing China right now after years of grossly overreported economic growth and major irregularities within the private sector (particularly within construction).
Oh and you’re claim that $56 billion was “wasted” on clean energy is a false one. The overwhelming majority of the money invested actually had positive returns. But then again you haven’t said anything about the money put in the bail-out that was a great many times that. Or the wasteful F-35 project that has had numerous overruns of costs (and has a lifetime cost of $2.2 trillion. The nonsense you complain about, whether it be your false accusations against the clean energy industry or welfare, is a drop in the hat compared to projects like the F-35. The F-35 alone cost more than all that money invested on clean energy.
Giancarlo85
http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/page/-/PDFs/Reports/Most%20Corrupt%20Reports/CREW-Most-Corrupt-Members-of-Congress-Report-2013.pdf?nocdn=1
Take a look at this comprehensive report of corruption. The solid majority are republicans and many should face extensive jail sentences for literally taking bribes. Some democrats did make the list too. But the majority of corruption is tied to big dog republicans including Mitch McConnell.
You see, government regulation and oversight is a good thing. It won’t bankrupt anything. That is a lie. The reason the last recession even happened was a lack of oversight. If appropriate prison sentences were handed out, multiple white collar criminals, a large number of republicans and even a couple of democrats would be facing lengthy sentences.
If the F-35 was audited, you would find evidence of bribery and corruption strongly linked to the republican party who consistently backs the program. The Republicans in Congress even wanted to add a second engine to the plane. Funny how they care more about the weapons and not the people flying them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/11/predatory-lending-soldiers_n_7258800.html – They don’t give two shits about soldiers or veterans.
This republican Congress hasn’t done shit:
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/25/read-utter-fail-170-days-gop-congress.html
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman:
Alistair, Can you read your own links?
What does ACQUITTED mean??
Here’s the last part of YOUR LINK…DUH….READ IT!!!!
“From the day I swore my oath of impartiality, I determined that the only way I could approach this case was to ask myself one question, ‘‘if I were the deciding vote in this case, could I remove this President under these circumstances?’’ The answer, I have concluded, is ‘‘no’’—and therefore, I will vote against both articles of impeachment.
Mr. Chief Justice, I came to this process with an open notebook and an open mind, determined to honor my oath to do impartial justice and serve the best interests of the Presidency, the American people, and the Nation. I
stand confident that in doing so, my manner has been impartial, and my judgment has been measured. Therefore, in my mind and in my heart, I believe to a moral certainty that my verdict is just.
As men and women of honor, that is the highest expectation to which we can aspire. For we are writing history with indelible ink, but imperfect pens.
In the end, when future generations dust off the record of what we have done here, may they say we validated the Framers’ faith in the Senate. May they say we reached within ourselves to discover our most noble intentions. And may they say we achieved a con- clusion worthy not just of our time, but of all time.”—Senator Snowe
The last vote of the Senate PER YOUR SOURCE!!
The result was announced—guilty 50, not guilty 50, as follows:
[Rollcall Vote No. 18]
[Subject: Article II—Articles of Impeach-
ment against President William Jefferson Clinton]
Abraham Allard Ashcroft Bennett Bond Brownback Bunning Burns Campbell Cochran Coverdell Craig Crapo DeWine Domenici Enzi Fitzgerald
Akaka Baucus Bayh Biden Bingaman Boxer Breaux Bryan Byrd Chafee Cleland Collins Conrad Daschle Dodd Dorgan Durbin
GUILTY—50
Frist Gorton Gramm Grams Grassley Gregg Hagel Hatch Helms Hutchinson Hutchison Inhofe
Kyl Lott Lugar Mack McCain
McConnell Murkowski Nickles Roberts Roth Santorum Sessions Shelby Smith (NH) Smith (OR) Stevens Thomas Thompson Thurmond Voinovich Warner
NOT GUILTY—50
Edwards Feingold Feinstein Graham Harkin Hollings Inouye Jeffords Johnson Kennedy Kerrey Kerry
Kohl Landrieu Lautenberg Leahy Levin
Lieberman Lincoln Mikulski Moynihan Murray Reed
Reid
Robb Rockefeller Sarbanes Schumer Snowe Specter Torricelli Wellstone Wyden
50/50…not the required 2/3 majority!
ACQUITTED!!!!
LOSE AGAIN ALISTAIR!!! LMFAO (Using your sources!!)
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85: He’s so Fuc@ing stupid that he won’t even fully read his own sources let alone the credible ones anyone else gives him. He STILL hasn’t defined the word ACQUITTED yet? I think it’s too many syllables for him.
Honestly though, all kidding aside…he just can’t admit (EVER) that he might be wrong on ANYTHING.
Alistair Wiseman
@youarekiddingme:
My sources are official U.S. government documents that state William Jefferson Clinton was impeached.
Let me try this one last time, (I don’t know why I bother considering you have given me NOTHING stating that he wasn’t impeached) Clinton was impeached in the House of Representatives on two charges, perjury and obstruction of justice. You are correct that the Senate acquitted the President and thus he was not removed from office.
Even though he was acquitted in the Senate and not removed from office, he was still impeached in the House. According to the U.S. Constitution, he remains an impeached president even though he was acquitted in the Senate. I wish I could tell you exactly why, but I am not an expert in constitutional law.
Being the good leftist that you are, I have attached an article from the “Nation”. It is the furthest left publication I could think of. In it, the editor-in-chief, writes an article in which she references “the impeachment of Bill Clinton”, not the acquittal of Bill Clinton.
I am finished with this topic as I have nothing else to add. I have given you the official U.S. impeachment documents from the U.S. Senate website. What have you given to prove or state that he wasn’t impeached? Nothing, but the opinion of someone who calls themselves ‘youarekiddingme’.
http://www.thenation.com/article/150-years-telling-truth/
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: The Senate supercedes the House in everything. Even a simple bill created in the House must be approved by the Senate in order to pass. You really do not have a clue about American government. You need to take a basic level civics class.
And yes run off… My prior two posts probably made you shit your pants. You are incapable of making a rational argument and your knowledge of government is laughable.
The impeachment process failed. It never went through and the House overstepped its authority.
1EqualityUSA
Giancarlo86, The objective is to lessen the threat Hilary poses, by bringing up the word “impeached” over and over and over again.
1EqualityUSA
Hilary “[sic]” (There Alistair, I beat you to it.)
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman: Alistair, you need something to “back up” my statement about Impeachment do you? How abou the Constitution? Is that enough?
Here’s a little interpretation for you:
As finally agreed, a majority vote of the House of Representatives is required to bring impeachment charges (Article I, Section 2, Clause 5), which are then tried before the Senate (Article I, Section 3, Clause 6). Two-thirds of the Senate must vote to convict before an official can be removed.
House brings CHARGES
Senate CONVICTS
DEAL WITH IT
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman: Here’s a direct quote from that NASTY little Constitution (Article I, Section 3, Clause 6):
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
@Alistair Wiseman:
@Giancarlo85:
The house attempted to use Article I, Section 2, Clause 5 that allows them to impeach THEIR members (since that’s what that Section is referring to. Giancarlo85 attempted to explain how they “overstepped” their bounds.
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman: You’re certainly right…you’re not an EXPERT in Constitutional Law. You don’t even know BASIC Constitutional concepts. Download a copy. Educate yourself.
1EqualityUSA
The word, “impeach” has occurred 71 times on this thread. Congratulations….now 72.
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman: Back to the issue of the right-wing republicans. I will be a “leftist” all day but remember one thing. As long as there are no LGBTQ Protections in place just keep the following in mind:
If you don’t live in a state (or move to a state) that doesn’t have LGBTQ listed as a protected class, you are on your own.
You can be thrown out of your apartment (lets say you lose your job and lose your home and now live in an apartment).
If you’re married and want to adopt, you can be denied based on sexual orientation.
If you seek insurance coverage from your spouse (who is working…but does not work with a company who has LGBTQ Descrimination Clause in their labor agreement) you won’t get insurance coverage.
Your spouse could lose his job based on sexual orientation.
If most of these candidates are elected not only will they do their best to reverse same-sex marriage, but they will also make sure that any LGBTQ Descrimination Laws never get passed.
So yea, I guess I’m a leftist by your definition.
1EqualityUSA
yourkiddingme, smack it out of the ballpark
1EqualityUSA
What Republicans fail to see, is that by conglomerating all of the crazies, the fanatics, the haters, the armed “oath” keepers, into one huge blob, they make it easier to manipulate politics. Where the danger lies is when the blob starts overtaking the host. Steve McQueen will not be able to save the day. The thing about blobs is that they move this way and that. How inconvenient, for a political party, to have such an entity as its base. Swallowed up. The end.
Giancarlo85
@1EqualityUSA: Sounds like the number of times the republicans tried to defund Obamacare… and tried to take it to court lol. They failed every single time. Alistair is following in the footsteps of republican failure.
@youarekiddingme: Hey man, if republicans would have their way, why would we need workplace protections? The unemployment rate would be 10-15%! We would be lucky to even have a job in 7-11 if the republicans had their way with anything. I really can’t stand anything they advocate. It’s so destructive. When I see gay republicans talk about the economy and how republicans care more about that, I laugh. Republicans are bad for everyone except the super wealthy.
Giancarlo85
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/25/14_ways_republicans_have_declared_war_on_the_middle_class_partner/
This is from a while ago, but displays the fact that multiple polls show significant anger among working, everyday Americans towards the republican party. More and more are seeing the republican party as declaring war on the middle and working classes.
The republican party is in for a shellacking in 2016.
1EqualityUSA
darian, thanks for the links posted above.
1EqualityUSA
Those who operate in big business may not want to be associated with a such an unsavory party. The may have lost their charm. Being swallowed by the blob of their own making is unpleasant to watch. The farmer cracked open the meteorite.
1EqualityUSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdUsyXQ8Wrs
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85: @youarekiddingme:
You, being the Constitutional law expert, I really enjoyed your deep interpretation of our Constitution.
However, I am still waiting for a source to back up your analysis. There are hundreds, thousands of items on the internet discussing, reviewing, reporting and documenting the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
I supplied you with official U.S. government documents from the U.S. Senate website about the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
What have I received from you? Nothing. 🙁
Surely you can kind something.
1EqualityUSA
74.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: Ah ha! I thought he was leaving.
“I am finished with this topic as I have nothing else to add.”
But yet another lie from our right wing nutcase.
I’ve backed up my analysis numerous times. You refuse to listen. The impeachment process failed. Bill Clinton was not removed from office.
You have nothing, you don’t know how to argue and you lie all the time. You even lie about “being done with this topic”. You haven’t even made a proper nor a coherent argument.
How is the politically motivated failed coup attempt by republicans relevant?
Here is the official definition:
A formal accusation of wrongdoing against a public official. According to the United States Constitution, the House of Representatives can vote to impeach an official, but the Senate actually tries the case. (Dictionary.com).
The Senate found no wrong-doing, ergo the accusations/charges were dropped.
Giancarlo85
It seems to me this clown cannot read. My primary point about the politically motivated abuse of power by republicans in the House of Representatives (seems to happen a lot in history) failed. The Senate rejected them.
Republicans have a history of failure. Alistair continues to yap on about the failed attempt to remove Bill Clinton from office as if it were relevant. What does that have to do with anything today?
Why does this Alistair clown keep yapping away like a little Shih Tzu on steroids? Seems to me he lives in the past and cannot get his head into the future.
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman: You really can’t be that dense can you? You’re not serious are you?
Ok…one more time…for the retards in the audience (I don’t care what your newspapers or magazines say), lets try the Constitution of the United States of America:
Article I, Section 3, Clause 6
“The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.”
ACQUITTED = NOT GUILTY OF CHARGES = NOT GUILTY OF IMPEACHMENT = NOT AN INTERPRETATION UNLESS YOU CAN’T FUC@IN READ!
SOURCE = CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Also, check YOUR SOURCE I qouted above per Senator Snowe who gave the opinion from the Senate when they ACQUITTED CLINTON!
Now shut up and go away, LIKE YOU SAID you were above. “I am finished with this topic as I have nothing else to add”. FUC#IN LIAR! Can’t even keep your word on that. See you can’t keep your eye on the ball on the topic discussed above either…Don’t bother. Liar.
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85: He’s a fuc@in Moron LIAR. I think he’s Obsessive-Compulsive actually. You know what he’s basing this entire debate on Clinton about don’t you? The fact that his right-wing newspaper/magazine/op-ed articles said that Clinton was ipeached. He’s convinced that once its in the news it’s gospel. No other fact/proof will matter because he has his “proof” that says otherwise! Even though his proof his 100%, Grade A bullshi@t!
Alistair Wiseman
@Alistair Wiseman:
Well, well, well…look what recently passed the House of Representatives. The Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act. This act makes killing babies born alive during an abortion a crime.
According to the House vote, Democrats endorse murdering babies born alive. Every Republican member voted for H.R. 3504, they were joined by only five Democrats. (248 YEAS to 177 NAYS – all Democrats. Vote linked below.)
As to your major (false) talking point as to Republicans wanting to criminalize the woman, I have linked to the http://www.congress.gov website below. It states, “The legislature bars criminal prosecution of a mother of a child born alive for conspiracy to violate the provisions of this Act, for being an accessory after the fact, or for concealment of felony.”
Yes, Democrats are always looking out and protecting the rights of others. Of course, unless you are a defenseless baby, then we will just snap your neck and let you die. Yes, the party of compassion.
That’s progressive.
The bill:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3504
The vote:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2015/roll506.xml
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
After numerous requests, I see you have failed to back up two of your repeated assertions.
The gay and lesbian community are not as monolithic as you presume. Yet you stated, “What this little tool doesn’t realize is the massive overwhelming majority (almost 97% of LGBTQQI people) are NOT republican or conservative.”
After repeated requests, you have not been able to back up your claim. I, on the other hand, gave you the gay and lesbian percentage amounts that voted for the Republican presidential candidates in the last three elections (22%-27%). I backed it up with sources. As usual, you attacked my sources. (Actually, it is the first time I have heard someone state that the Washington Post was conservative!) If you prefer different sources, I can supply those for you.
If your last posting regarding this subject was a concession or an apology about the misinformation, it is an odd one. In the meanwhile, without a source to back up your wild claim, I will continue to assume where you got your information; you pulled it out of your ass.
You have repeatedly stated how President Obama saved us from an “economic depression.” You have not been able to adequately explain what his actions were that prevented an “economic depression.” The only specific was his signing of the Dodd-Frank bill. I informed you that was signed a 1 1/2 years into the Obama Administration and the recession ended 5 months after Obama took office.
Again, no details or specifics. (Perhaps he wished it away for 5 months.) Your last post provided no further details and was certainly not much of a concession or apology.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: That bill is a joke and won’t stand a chance in the Senate. And if it somehow made it, it would be vetoed. Only you are naive enough to believe that politically motivated bullshit. That bill has nothing to do with protecting the life of babies. Republicans do not care about children. They have stripped money from federal programs aimed at helping needy and underprivileged families. Many kids go to bed hungry in this country… And all you can cite is some politically motivated bill with propaganda language? Again, that piss poor excuse of a bill has nothing to do with protecting anyone. That bill is meant to control women.
@Alistair Wiseman: The community is highly monolithic. I have backed up my claim and basically debunked your shit source. Exit polling is highly inaccurate. You haven,t backed up anything. Your so called sources do nothing to support your argument. You said you have nothing else to say here, yet you are still posting. I do not care about the very few idiots who vote republican. Those gay people have no clue about the damage they are causing to the community and to thid nation.
And I have not pulled anything out of my ass. Time and fucking time again I have posted valid articles in here. You simply ignore them. There is no misinformation. You post right wing bullshit. Right wing bullshit is classic misinformation and propaganda. You have never backed up any of your claims with objective and valid sources.
Also, your claims about Frank-Dodd have nothing to do with what I said. That bill was meant to prevent financial abuse by white collar criminals. This is something republicans promptly gutted. And yes, moron, I did provide countless sources backing up my claims about Obama saving this country from economic ruin. Again, you prove how intellectually bankrupt you are, by not reading any of them.
A concession or an apology? Why would I concede or apology to a mindless drone like you? I backed up my argument. You did not. You are the one that should be conceding because you simply are wrong and were debunked. Right wingers do not have a clue about anything and live in their own universe. They do not have a clue about the real world. Now apologize to me, you asshat.
Giancarlo85
This moron thinks Frank Dodd had nothing to do with the recession. This just goes to show politically demented he is. He will stop at nothing to post more idiotic lies and make stupid cowardly attacks. Not once has he ever debunked anything I have said. He will continue voting republican because he is too clueless to realise the rwmage he is causing.
Giancarlo85
*the damage.
Appears autocorrect didn’t work in that case.
Anyways, I expect several more idiotic replies about how I should concede or apology. Nope. I have backed up my argument thoroughly. I also don’t concede or apology to right wing drones who are incapable of thinking on their own.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *apologize. Dumb phone.
darian
@youarekiddingme: @Giancarlo85: Chances are he’s some bitter over the hill queen looking to piss of others because his life it’s tragic. Don’t keep wasting your time or effort on him. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen him post anything positive. EVER! So just let it go guys.
youarekiddingme
@darian: You’re right…it doesn’t!