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McCain is an honorable man who sacrificed for his country. He has stood up to right wing nuts and, I believe, will continue to do so. If he gives us judges like David Souter (from George H.W. Bush), fine with me.
I prefer Hillary, but if Obama and his racist cabal carry the torch for the Democrats, then John McCain will be an acceptable one-term alternative for me.
“racist cabal”? wow! That’s a hell of a charge.
How about just a plain old racist then! You know the kind that think blacks need to be payed back for slavery and the white guys have had all the benefits of the world and the white guy should pay for the ORIGINAL SIN OF OUR CONSTITUTION. The kind the deems a total race guilty as charged for that original sin. The kind of racist that uses terms of Malcolm X in his speeches that HOODWINK AND BAMBOOZLE the listeners. The kind of a racist that will call Hillary and Bill Clinton Race baiter when they themselves were race baiting.
I agree if Obama the Messiah is the nominee John McCain will get my vote and I’m an average guy.
I can’t say I’m for McCain at this time. I’m troubled by his own ‘preacher problems’ and his recent swooning over the Wacky Right of his party. What I do caution gay activists about is thinking that Obama or Clinton will automatically do more for gays than McCain. Very often it takes someone from the opposing ideological camp to advance an agenda. For instance, Clinton signed welfare reform; Bush Jr. got No Child Left Behind, bills that the other guy could NEVER have got through Congress.
I’m not saying McCain will be a greater ally than the Dems, but don’t dismiss the possibility outright.
Reading some of the rantings on this site and a person would come away with the belief that Obama is some fringe black separatist candidate who only has the interests of black people in mind. In fact, Obama is the senator from Illinois, where the white population is 80%. Are people in Illinois so stupid to elect a “racist” senator?
What about the Obama endorsements? Here is a partial list:
Edward Kennedy, Massachusetts senator
Caroline Kennedy, daughter of John F. Kennedy
Theodore Sorensen, advisor to John F. Kennedy
Kathleen Turner, actress
Bill Bradley, former senator from New Jersey, and player for the New York Knicks
John Kerry four-term junior senator from Massachusetts
Janet Napolitano, Governor of Arizona
Patrick Leahy, Senator from Vermont, chairman of the Judiciary Committee
Robert DeNiro, actor
Maria Shriver, wife of California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
George Clooney, actor
David Wilhelm manager of Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign
Service Employees International Union
United Food and Commercial Workers International Union
Chris Dodd, Ohio senator
John D. Rockefeller IV, senator from West Virginia
Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico
Are these people, mostly white, so stupid and blinded by the so-called messiah to endorse a “racist”?
It really is amazing that so-called gay people on this site would engage in name-calling. I seriously doubt that the people calling Obama a racist have gay equality issues and interest at heart.
It also calls into question these people’s true feelings and motives. Remember, a person who goes out of his way to gay-bash is thought to be a repressed homosexual. So someone who goes out of his way to call a black man a racist is a repressed…what? You figure it out.
maybe he is trying to be hip?
John McCain is not â€˜honorableâ€™. He engaged in air attacks on Vietnam during an illegal and immoral war, which, like the one going on now in Iraq, claimed over a million civilian lives. It doesnâ€™t matter in the least if he was â€˜orderedâ€™ to carry out his crimes; so were the Luftwaffe pilots who bombed Guernica, and yes, that is a good comparison.
He as captured and punished and likely its some perverted sense of revenge thatâ€™s behind his calls for a hundred years of genocide against the Middle East. Of all the positions on all the issues heâ€™s only right about one â€“ heâ€™s opposed to torture. The rest of this politics can be reduced to support for the war, pandering to the rich and appeasing the christian right. Those are the same politics as Clinton, whoâ€™s Bush Stout and Obama, whoâ€™s Bush Lite.
To say that the heartfelt opposition of African Americans and others to racism, which is still a defining characteristic of US society, is â€˜racism in reverseâ€™ is a sure sign not only of gross historic ignorance but also of rancid racist mentality. Itâ€™s inexcusable.
kevin57 – Clinton didn’t reform welfare, he decimated it while constantly giving tax breaks to the rich. Bush’s program is properly called ‘No Child Left Standing’, not ‘No Child Left Behind’ after he vetoed desperately need health care programs for children.
Bill Perdue, so McCain is not honorable because he answered his country’s call? He didn’t make policy; he just fought when asked. By your fucked up logic, all of the soldiers in Iraq now are not honorable. What would you have them do? Desert en masse?
McCain not so stupid after all. You, and I am sure others, will be giving him free PR for a simple mistake by a ad agency.
Factor military duty into criticism
By Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss
April 3, 2008
In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedyâ€™s challenge to, â€œAsk not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country,â€ gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines.
In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)
The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navyâ€™s premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chiefâ€™s medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation.
What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.
While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.
Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?
After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of Americaâ€™s biggest cities.
This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, who has been in the news for comments he made over the last three decades.
Since these comments became public we have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him.
Weâ€™ve seen on television, in a seemingly endless loop, sound bites of a select few of Rev. Wrightâ€™s many sermons.
Some of the Wrightâ€™s comments are inexcusable and inappropriate and should be condemned, but in calling him â€œunpatriotic,â€ let us not forget that this is a man who gave up six of the most productive years of his life to serve his country.
How many of Wrightâ€™s detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill Oâ€™Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many.
While words do count, so do actions.
Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism.
Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. They work at The Center For American Progress. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration.
rickroberts – His country’s call???? What kind of perverse paytriotic madness is that?
Our country was born fighting for independence and reborn when we took up arms and crushed southern slave-owning traitors. There is nothing in that history that pardons the genocidal wars against the Creek, Cherokees, Apaches, Sioux and a hundred other native nations. Nothing to excuse the invasion of Mexico, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico again, Panama, Korea, Lebanon. Cuba, Vietnam, a second genocide with over a million causalities, Laos, Cambodia, the Dominican Republic, Grenada, Panama again, Honduras again, Haiti, and now Iraq (a third genocide.) (And please donâ€™t get pissed if I missed one or two.)
Your approach the question of the â€˜honorâ€™ involved in these US attacks on colonial peoples fighting for independence are from the perspective of a different class than most of us. John McCain, whose daddy and granddaddy were Four Star US Navy Admirals, volunteered for an illegal war. Meanwhile most of the men and boys I knew who were sent to Vietnam were extremely unwilling victims of the draft.
While there they did their best not to get killed and there is nothing dishonorable in that. Over time their reluctance to go on the offensive and their grenade throwing prowess (some refer to it as fragging, a nasty habit GIâ€™s developed that involved tossing grenades at lifers and gung ho officers) caused military operations to ever so slowly begin grinding to a halt. In the face of obstinate Vietnamese resistance, a vast antiwar sentiment and the real risk of GI unrest becoming a real mutiny all US troops were withdrawn. But by then over 55,000 GIâ€™s and over a million Vietnamese had been murdered by American political leaders of both parties.
In Iraq and Afghanistan we have all the same ingredients: an illegal oil piracy, arrogant and bungling US leaders, a stubborn, largely successful Iraqi resistance and growing unrest among GIâ€™s. Some of them are sickened at the genocide occurring as a direct result of US efforts to steal Iraqi oil. Others just want to get home in one piece. Again, there is nothing dishonorable in that. And again, the solution is immediate and total withdrawal of all US military, â€˜securityâ€™ and mercenary forces from the Middle East.
I hope they pulled out and the carnage ends. I hope the Iraqis, like the Vietnamese, get their independence and a chance to settle their own affairs and become prosperous selling their oil. However that dishonorable little warmongering windbag you adore so much, McCain, has a different goal; he wants to keep killing Iraqis for a hundred years.
Thatâ€™s fucked up, and so are you and so is McCain.
Gotta agree. Obama has surrounded himself with white-hating racists. He’ll never get my vote, and I ‘ve never voted for a Republican. Hell, I voted for Mondale! LOL
Ha! “Johm” … nice going McCain campaign!
Bill Perdue, McCain did not volunteer to fight in Vietnam. He volunteered to be in the service because serving is his family tradition. I agree with you that Vietnam and Iraq (and others) are illegal, disgusting wars, but the men and women fighting are not policy makers. They are serving. The wars are wrong; their service is not.
Further, a fair reading of his inartful 100-years statement does not indicate that he wants us fighting there for a century. Be fair.
To reiterate, I support Hillary, but failing her attaining the nomination, McCain is an acceptable one-term alternative for me. I do not trust Barack.
Bill Perdue, we love you.
for your sanity, candor, equanimity, your recitation of facts, your seamless ability to sift through the mess and get to the heart of the matter rather than inanely spouting stuff you heard in a high school civics class or what your grandma Belle told you, and your ability to see various sides before making an informed opinion.
I plan to vote for John. Period.
Afroguapo – Blushorama. Thanks.
I lost a lot of buddies during the US genocide in Vietnam and almost lost a brother. I have zero sympathy for the officer corps; it’s infested by totalitarian christian bigots, and McCain is one of them.
Incidentally one of my grandmothers was Native American and the other IRA Irish, and neither had any great love for the ruling rich or their military bullyboys.
I like the fact that youâ€™re mindful that our history is a continuous struggle to extend democracy. The GLBT communities will always be on the cutting edge of that fight. If we donâ€™t succeed in getting political and economic democracy for ourselves and everyone we won’t survive.
And thatâ€™s where I and a growing number of us part company with some who post here. We will never vote for any candidate like Clinton, Obama, or McCain. Each of them is untrustworthy because their parties are right wing centrist parties and each of them panders to the rich and their bigoted religious apologists. We have to irrevocably break the powerful strangle hold of big money and bad religion, because they are capable of the worst when it comes to us. The difference between them and the ayatollahs is one of means, not intent.
Yes, the late Molly Ivins wrote a great piece about what you just said (these politicians capitulating to the interests of big business/ruling elite rather than the nation’s people and in the process, these politicians enrich themselves e.g. Walmart Hillary). Incidentally, my dad’s grandfather was Irish and his grandmother Native American and black before miscegenation was made illegal I believe. My mom’s side hailing from Panama and the West Indies. Being a byproduct of that legacy and gay, I too have no love for the ruling rich nor military colonizing hotheads swathed in the fiction of patriotism and honor.
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