While Chelsea’s The Roxy may be re-opening, it’ll become a giant restaurant-lounge, not a resurrected gay club. But that doesn’t mean New York City’s plans for gay nightlifedom — which, sadly, have been on the wane for much of the 2000s — are over and out. In fact, there’s a $20 million, 80,000-square-foot project underway to return the Big Apple to its rotten, delicious core. And we’ve got a few ideas how developers can make sure they don’t fuck it up.
Dubbed “The Out NYC,” it’ll be a “hospitality and entertainment destination geared to the gay community,” although it’s also being shopped by developers as “a hetero-friendly urban resort.” What’s to be expected? Restaurants! Gyms! Spas! Hotels! All located in five stories at 508 West 42nd Street, between Tenth and Eleventh Avenues in Hell’s Kitchen.
Moreover, gay nightlife impresario John Blair (pictured, top), who disappeared from the scene when The Roxy’s Saturday night fracas ended, is expected to return by reopening xL, the two-story Chelsea lounge that closed years ago when Blair lost his lease. If The Out NYC opens as planned, there will be 10,000-square-feet of dance club space, which by our rough estimate is all of Chelsea current gay bars combined.
Of course, the project’s coordinators at Parkview Developers, Ian Reisner and Mati Weiderpass, still have to secure three crucial items: financing, a liquor license, and a cabaret license, which is required in New York City to let bar patrons dance. As in, move their hips to music. For New York’s gays, a venue where you can dance to a “Bad Romance” is a dying commodity that’s only been partially saved by weekly gay parties such as mr. Black and [email protected]
So how to ensure The Out NYC doesn’t implode and ruin our hope of a gay nightlife renaissance?
Don’t let this turn into West 27th Street. Like the western edge of West 42nd Street is today, West 27th was a mostly desolate, hooker-friendly zone in the early 2000s before a one Amy Sacco came along and installed a little club called Bungalow 8, and changed the area into a modelizing, table service mecca. (Before seeing it all go downhill.) The change in scenery also showcased everything that is wrong with New York City nightlife: Cash-fueled excess, where exclusivity is bought, not earned. The Out NYC will of course be a profit-seeking center, but it can delineate class and luxury without installing velvet ropes and clipboard access. That shit is for heterosexuals. And West Hollywood gays.
Do not make the hotel rooms Judy Garland themed. Or, really, any theme at all. Going camp will quickly turn The Out NYC into a $20 million joke, not where the city’s up-and-coming gay social climbers come for drinks, dips, and dalliances. The Barcelona-based Axel Hotels is being lined up to create a “a moderately-priced, ‘W-ish, Calvin Klein-clean’ affair with room rates from $99 to $399, and an average of about $250.” That sounds perfect. But aside from a few Andy Warhol self-portraits, let’s not take things over the top. And please, please: No Jonathan Adler plaster figurines.
Bankroll a gay marriage campaign. The developers aren’t stupid: They know there’s ton of cash to made in wedding ceremonies at their hotel. Show just how important thees gay dollars are by actively marketing The Out as a destination for weddings and receptions. Of course, they’ll have to be of the faux variety until New York’s lawmakers get around to legalizing the M-word, but there’s no reason West 42nd can’t be lined with limos, something borrowed, and something blue.
Make nice with the police. Because they’re going to be your neighbors. Cityfile points out that directly across from the proposed site sits the Manhattan South Task Force, which means police cruisers will be lining the streets as often as tinted windowed SUVs dropping off Alan Cumming. Then again, what plagued West 27th Street was a sense of no security; the horror stories of women snatched, raped, and murdered turned the Meatpacking District into a harrowing alcohol quest, not an enjoyable evening out with friends. If there are cops literally at the door of The Out, the gays could expect a bit more freedom from on-site gay bashings and harassment. But that requires outreach from the project’s principles to ensure the gays and the fuzz are friends. Or at least, frenemies.
Crack down on drugs. From the get-go. Make it known that The Out, unlike Blair’s old haunts The Roxy and Limelight, is not a place to fall into a K-hole. A zero tolerance policy on drugs — and a push to make their use in the club seem utterly juvenile — will make the place a safer destination for all, and will give the next-door neighbors (see above) fewer reasons to drop in for a raid. Understandably, actively pushing The Out as a drug-free zone will inhibit a big part of its success: attendance. The Gays who love their nightlife binging also love their illicit substances, and if they don’t have a home at The Out, they’ll go elsewhere. Which is fine. If you don’t build it, they won’t come.
Don’t call it The Out NYC. Sure, you can create the catchy acronym “TONY” out of this, but you’ll still be sharing a four-letter word with Time Out New York. More importantly, words like “out” and “pride” and their ilk are falling out of favor with today’s gays, particularly in urban sanctuaries like Manhattan. The gays there are less of culture of being “out” and more “just gay.” If that. Calling this structure The Out NYC makes the project sound like a bathhouse from the 1970s. We can do better than this.
Surely we missed a few. What other ways can Reisner, Weiderpass, and Blair not totally turn The Out into a very expensive dive bar?
TheAwfulTruth
New York as a gay mecca? What a passe concept.
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
This is a bold concept based on tourism projections. I hope it has a Happy Hour element before the Club Children arrive. XL had famously unfriendly bartenders so I hope they don’t recruit at Ford’s Models. I would rather gay-relevant projection screens than Go Go Dancers and Drag Shows which get in the way of men meeting each other. With Chelsea being invaded by Hip Hop bars, Hell’s Kitchen could reverse it’s backslide. Keeping straights out would be a welcome relief, too.
Daniel
New York City used its legal department to oppose marriage equality. Makes no sense to reward it with tourism. There are other places in the USA more deserving.
Dirty Ole Man
@Daniel:
Does everything in your life have to pass
the “Gay Marriage” test before it gets your approval?
Do you check to see if your local supermarket offer
Same Sex benefits before you buy your eggs and anal
douche products?
*geezzz*
NG
Damn, those choppers are blinding!
SG
“With Chelsea being invaded by Hip Hop bars”
Oh, really?
hardmannyc
John Blair hardly disappeared after the Roxy shut down. Aside from xl, he has a stake in, and runs, Splash Bar, and his name is prominently displayed in all ads.
That said, this is very good news for NYC. A big new gay dance club is great! It also further solidifies Hell’s Kitchen as the central gayborhood. As for the drugs, the queens will get them in anyway, but yes, making a show of not being tolerant will mollify the cops.
You should have added: no drag queen shows. Talk about your tired concepts.
Daniel
@Dirty
I just don’t think a city that uses its legal department to violate the human rights of hundreds of millions of people should be rewarded. Why should a city be rewarded for ensuring children with gay parents don’t have the same protection as other kids… I just don’t believe governments that harm our kids and our people should be rewarded, when according to even the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, such governments are the very source of suffering and injustice in the world (ironic such a city with such disregard for human rights is home to the UN headquarters).
Brian En guarde
The city is being quite savvy by creating this space. New York has been working hard to honor, attract and keep gay residents. Soon, I will move there. So I had to change my name (from Brian NJ).
hardmannyc
Daniel: If you boycott every city and state that doesn’t actively work toward gay marriage, you’re going to be limited to a few states in New England and Iowa. Admirable, but kind of limiting.
Daniel
It isn’t a question of actively working toward gay marriage; as I pointed out the NYC legal department specifically worked against marriage equality.
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
@SG
“With Chelsea being invaded by Hip Hop bars”
Oh, really?
ANSWER: Obviously, you have not been to Eagle NYC lately which is now dotted with not only Scores but scores of Hip Hop Bars and now rowdy fights. Thanks Straight Invaders!
@Daniel – @Dirty
I just don’t think a city that uses its legal department to violate the human rights of hundreds of millions of people should be rewarded. Why should a city be rewarded for ensuring children with gay parents don’t have the same protection as other kids… I just don’t believe governments that harm our kids and our people should be rewarded, when according to even the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, such governments are the very source of suffering and injustice in the world (ironic such a city with such disregard for human rights is home to the UN headquarters).
ANSWER: I tend to agree with Dirty Ole Man (who I find rather creepy usually) that to see everything through the Gay Marriage lens will triangulate ourselves in our daily lives when we will not likely see it in New York, possibly even with a Governor Cuomo because of the Democrats!
So, let’s celebrate this exciting venture and pressure John Blair to host Marriage Equality fundraisers and get Christine Quinn elected as Madam Mayor. Really, how many Gay Bars do anything for the betterment of our community where there are no displayed condoms and over-priced bottom shelf drinks. Even Gay tourists stay away from the gay anger displayed by Staff at many bars!
But wait, the glass can be half full (oh, but then what would you Blog about?)
hephaestion
Call it the BGD.
The Big Gay Destination.
McShane
At one time NYC was a terrific place for gay people, and creative folks of all stamp. A great place for entertainment , meeting people etc.: none of those things had anything to do with marriage. Indeed marriage tends to soothe the wild beast and make homebodies of people; nesters .
The Gulianniesque cleaning up of N.Y City made it more suitable for marriage, more like a big suburb. Why try to bring entertainment back at all ?
Sam
@Daniel: If a few city government lawyers writing a brief against marriage gets your manties in a wad (and makes you ignore the vast majority of New Yorkers who support marriage, including the staff of several major LGBT orgs, huge swaths of the fashion, television and recording industries and the largest population of geighs in the country) then I hope that boycott works out for you. You shan’t be missed.
Sam
@Daniel: P.S. Boycotting New York City for not being gay friendly makes as much sense as boycotting Atlanta or Detroit for being racist. We might not be perfect, but we’re sure a helluva lot better than most of this racist, homophobic country.
Sam
I almost forgot my question. Was John Blair owner of Limelight? I thought that was Peter Gatien.
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
Both at different times. The former was scandalous and fun!
sallymay
there are pleny of gay bars in nyc…i never understand these articles.
Daniel
Actually before you paint the rest of municipalities with the same brush, only a handful of cities in the USA have ever used their municipal resources to oppose human rights; they might not all have supported human rights, but few have ever actively opposed human rights, and NYC is the top one. Other cities in New York state have not used their resources to oppose human rights; some have been very supportive, like Rochester.
eames
what is [email protected]? Sounds like a Peter Rauhofer night. Anybody know?
Markie-Mark
@Daniel: Thank you for pointing that out, Daniel. The problem in NYC is Bloomberg. And a lot of gay people voted for him, so I guess they get what they deserve.
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Derek
Um………..Peter Gatien owned the building known as the Limelight.
John Blair bought the business known as the Limelight.
They are not the same thing.
Pig E Bear
If you want people to drink rather than use drugs, stop charging $13 and up for a small liquor-scented drink. It’s far cheaper to do drugs.
AC Walker
@dontblamemeivotedforhillary: Elect Christine Quinn mayor?! Why, you think Her Royal Dykeness will suddenly grow some kind of sense of loyalty to the LGBT community if we promote her further?