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— Only the straightest gogo dancers taking your gay dollars
— 3 levels of shirtless muscle DJs playing the exact same songs sung by women of color! (No actual women of color in attendance)
Check out the hilarious faux-advertisement that’s floating around social media, which bears an uncomfortable likeness to many fliers you’ll see hanging around any gayborhood, below:
judysdad
My kind of place…except for the go-go dancers.
dmanhart
Same here.
queerT
I agree
batesmotel
Hahah. #MeToo. I would definitely frequent. Sounds like a refreshing place for a change.
frankcar1965
Me too, real men places don’t have Go-Go dancers.
LetsGetLit
I don’t like being on the dance floor with only guys; I been women in the mix.
MacAdvisor
Yes, in major cities in the 1920s.
deppa
If you want women, just go the hetero sports pub down the road. I am a gay male who likes men. I don’t want to go to a gay bar and have women asking me if I like their outfit (I don’t care) or if I like their hair (I don’t give an s*) or telling me they can make me straight.
When I want to go to a gay bar, I want gay. I support the straight friends who come w/ their gay bestie but the “girls night out” women and the Bach. party chicks need to go. Generally speaking, they are not allies of the community and are full-on annoying,
There is a stereotype that all gay men love straight women. I have no issue w/ straight women but I have nothing in common with them either and don’t feel as one straight women told me that “We are one and the same”. Ummm…wrong. We are not. At least not for me.
Donston
This idea that being a gay or gay-leaning man often equates to hating women is absurd. To be honest, it seems to mostly come from a certain section (albeit a small section) of gay men who contend with misandry, gay men who worship women, and “bi culture”. Misogyny is within every demo, including some females.
I’m also tired of people ignorantly equating sociology with orientation and preferences. Who you prefer to hang out with is not connected to your attractions, arousals, desires, passions, romantic instincts and romantic satisfaction. There are plenty of gay identifying men that don’t have many or any gay friends. And what about straight guys who only have male friends? And lesbians who have mostly male friends? If you think orientation is built on sociology then you’re crazy or you’re manipulating yourself and/or other people.
However, yeah, if I still went to clubs and it was a gay club I would rather not be constantly surrounded by straight and straight-leaning people of any gender. That kinda undermines the purpose of these clubs, right?
okbye
As to what Donston said, I used to work for a gay couple who can’t stand gay people. Especially anyone feminine. Get along with women and straight men fine. A little self-hatred? I don’t know. But they would love this place.
There are many, many clubs out there and there’s room to do things differently. People like different things, that’s a good thing. I bet this club will be plenty busy. Just don’t go if it’s not what you like.
Xzamilloh
Are there any gay jazz cafes?? You know, for those of us who do want to mingle, but in a calmer environment with smooth jazz playing in the background and pretentious hot guys in thick rimmed glasses and tight button ups, sipping watered down scotch?
dwes09
There is something for everyone here in SF. Except the “mellow” places seem to have only beer and wine licenses, so no watered down scotch, sorry to say.
And the jazz is “lite” jazz unfortunately.
Xzamilloh
Aw, nuts lol. I’ll still take it 🙂
ivanw222
I think the “poster” is funny, but it brings up a point. I don’t go out to the gay bars in town very much, just can’t handle the “dance music”. I’m a child of the late ’60’s – mid ’70’s. My music taste is classic rock, blues, some classical, and even some Johnny Cash. Try to find a gay bar that plays that!
RoughRugger
Look for places that use the word “lounge” in their marketing…that’s about the closest you’ll get.
okbye
ivanw222 There’s a gay cowboy bar in Phoenix. There has to be others.
Tête Carrée
At first I read “gay jizz cafes”.
Ryan Field
Who cares about “gayborhoods” anymore? Seriously. I usually go to the local micro brewery with a mixed group of friends and we don’t even think about who’s gay and who’s not. No one’s in the closet. It’s just not a topic for us.
dwes09
Try hitting on one of the “bros” in a place like that and see how well it goes down.
After you replace the lost teeth, or get those stitches in your face you will understand the need for “gayborhoods”.
You don’t think about who is gay and who is straight specifically because you are out with friends, not looking for a date or a trick. Are you too dull (or naive) to understand the difference?
deppa
Umm… try that if you live in a smaller city in the South and incidentally, in all southern states and most Midwestern states bar owners can LEGALLY reject gay people from entering their bar/club.
o.codone
Yeah Ryan Field. This is the new normal. It’s just not a thing to include or exclude based on sexual practices. We all go out, we hang out and have friendships and none of it is based on who does what. My friends know about me and nobody cares. It never comes up. I get that we want to hang with our own kind, but in the end, friendships are friendships and that’s what matters.
Donston
It’s not really the “new normal” though. It may be for some people and some sections of the population. But unabashed “male gayness” in perceived “straight spaces” will still inevitably cause conflict if not violence. While homophobia and internalized homophobia haven’t gone anywhere but have instead been shielded by nonsense. People are constantly looking for “gay culture” to evolve, and it definitely needs to, but culture in general needs to evolve and not just in the most shallow and surface and sex-driven of ways. Also, I’m sorry, but there’s nothing wrong with at least sometimes wanting to be around “your own”. If you’re looking to always avoid that and obsessed with always assimilating, then you got some issues to confront.
Donston
Also, I grew up in mid Ohio and, besides the few most obvious people, couldn’t find an out of the closet dude anywhere. I frankly felt alone and had to depend on internet forums to honestly engage with people who had the same/similar orientations and preferences as well as people who had been through and were still going through the same sociological and psychological struggles as myself. So, there’s still some purpose to these clubs.
RoughRugger
Donston is dead on. There are TONS of places where gay men & lesbians are ABSOLUTELY not welcome (openly) in straight spaces, and where just by walking in, they’re putting themselves in bona fide danger. I live in Nashville, a bright blue dot in a blood red state, and yes, there are quite a number of bars & such outside the gayborhood where LGBT folks can go and get nothing worse than a few weird looks from the bros playing darts…but there are plenty more where we wouldn’t DREAM of letting slip a “Gurrrrrrl” or putting Cher on the jukebox. And god forbid you go to one of those straight spaces if you’re trying to find someone to go home with…hitting on one of those bros that mistakenly set off your gaydar can result in a nice dental bill.
Yeah, it’s great that you feel comfortable hanging with your “mixed” group of friends, but an enormous portion of the gay community doesn’t have that luxury. Not acknowledging that is pretty myopic, not to mention hella privileged.
gayjim1969
Ryan Field: Try going out of your comfort zone sometimes; your mixed group of friends needs to try going to different places in your area and see how welcoming the regulars are of your non-straight members. You’ll find that “who’s gay and who’s not” will become an issue very quickly in some of those establishments.
I live in a small city of 8,369 in rural NorthCentral PA; there are no gay bars within a 50-mile radius, and the closest major city is 80 miles away. In my town, gay people can expect begrudging tolerance if they can–and will–pass as straight. The expectation is that LGBTQ+ people don’t show PDAs, don’t act too flamboyant, too feminine, too different from the cis-straight norm and expectation. If you fail to live up to that expectation in public, you WILL receive disgusted looks and disparaging remarks; you quite likely will get verbally aggressively attacked, and possibly threatened with physical violence.
The actual rate of anti-LGBTQ+ hate crimes in this area is unknown as the police are vociferously homophobic and are known for turning their backs and failing to report obvious bias-based crimes against gay people as such–even blaming the victims for their victimization and threatening them with charges if they don’t drop their complaint. I know of one example of this personally–a gay friend of mine, along with his straight female friend, was beaten by a group of people in a local bar, but the local police officers refused to do anything about it even though multiple people, including the bartender–and bar owner–were willing to testify that they did nothing to initiate the violent encounter.
The officers didn’t interview any witnesses, only those involved in the altercation; they also accepted the version of events told by the people who beat my friend–that he and his friend beat them first–even though they were the only two with any cuts and bruises. My friend went over their heads, but the official line was; it was his word against the officers’, but he could fight it if he felt unfairly treated. He dropped it in the end because PA had no LGBTQ+ protections and, being an out and proud gay man in a small town of 2,053, he knew this for what it was–harassment. He had had run-ins with the police not doing their duty before–a straight man, the son of a neighboring farmer, was caught sodomizing my friend’s miniature ponies, which is his business. The police let him get away with it more than once and turned it against my friend for “keeping them outside(!) and making them easily available” to him.
So, feel lucky that mixed group can go to your favorite place and sexual orientation isn’t an issue. Out in the real world, things aren’t like your utopian dream.
surreal33
Interesting, the backlash against the FEMBOTS and the neverending effort to feminize ALL gay men!!!
Jack Meoff
This sounds like a party I’d like to attend.
dwes09
This poster is just stupid. People like what they like, get over it.
ALL gender expression is culture based, none of it is particularly natural, and certainly the expressions of “gender queer” folks (painted nails, non-functional clothing, earlobes stretched with huge hoops, make-up, and so on) are considerably less natural than a lot of the masculine traits expressed.
There is nothing intrinsically toxic about men who want to look strong and active and want other men who look similar. And there is no shortage of toxicity and neuroses in the femme and gender queer community. We are all fags in the eyes of the regressives, so get over yourselves.
jsmu
+dwes09 Some of your other comments are moderately intelligent, but this one is beyond stupid. People ‘like’ all sorts of toxic things such as rape, sexual assault, physical violence, and we’re not ‘getting over that.’
ALL gender expression is culture based, and the homophobic ‘culture’ PRIVILEGES ALL expression which fits into the sexist, self-loathing boxes which you imbecilically call ‘masculine.’ You contradict yourself in the same sentence: first no gender expression is ‘natural,’ then ‘masculine’ (gawud, you’re dumb, buying into toxic cliches wholesale!) expression is ‘more natural?’ LOL. It’s obvious that the poster ‘triggered’ the hell out of you, little men’s rights snowflake. There is a great deal intrinsically toxic about cliches of ‘masculinity’ and the unquestioning, moronic acceptance of them which your comment exemplifies. Amazing that you’ve been queer this long and never even thought to question mindless stereotypes. We are all fags, and you don’t get to decide what’s more ‘acceptable’, BLANCHE.
dwes09
Yes, I said all gender expression is culture based. There is nothing in this poster to support or even suggest rape, sexual assault or any other of the things you fancifully read into a desire not to look like a drag queen 24/7.
You make no effort to understand what I refer to as masculine, displaying an ossified mind of the worst sort: reflexive divisive identity politics. And yet reflexively say “sexist, self-loathing boxes which you imbecilically call ‘masculine.’” So then, am I to assume the only intelligent presentation of self is the one YOU choose or approve of? How exactly is being athletic, dressing in a functional fashion, recognizing that fragrances are oppressive and obnoxious in public, liking rough or demanding activities, etc. either sexist or self-loathing. Is not wanting to paint my nails an wear makeup (I do iot very rarely) somehow sexist or self loathing? Or is the assumption that women (and a surprising number of men) need to paint themselves to look their best the sexist and self loathing assumption here?
you clearly lack critical faculties and yet have the audacity to question my observations and choices. As for calling me “queer”, that is an epithet of the heterosexual community. I’m gay. Take your “queerness” and keep it to yourself please, I no more want to be called that than i want (as a Jew) to be called kike! And I strongly suspect you are too lame, too young, and too into your “queer theory” to understand that.
It is laughable that you feel you can talk about the toxicity of others when clearly you have no understanding of those who choose a different style of presentation, and dismiss their personhood based on “queer theory” myths. You see your own stereotypes as real and would not know how to begin to struggle with them! I’ve was looking at this stuff probably way before you were born, and am long past the point of seeing only black and white as you do.
By the way, using “lol” is about as adolescent as one can get in a post (moronic really, you have no basis for condescension here). This is not twitter, it is not a text. Use your grown up words.
frankcar1965
Some of us just ARE men who kind of look like men and act like men. Why do we have to just LOOK like it? Many routine gays in the big cities and coastal cities would just die if they see my often dirty and somewhat tore nails and unkempt clothes. I don’t live that lush lifestyle but I don’t diss those that do. Actually there are more of us regular old boring gays then the ones we all see on TV snittin’ at each other and snapping fingers.
blitzkid84
Now women! No Women! Yes. Hilarious! Apparently gay men aren’t allowed to be gay or men anymore. Hardy har har!!
P.S. Drag Queens don’t represent women. Women are adult females, not men in dresses, wigs and clown make-up. If you wanna talk about the worst of the gay community, let’s talk about about how the gay community or, excuse me, the LGBTQQIAMSMSGLTGNCQTIPOCPDO78GENDER community has single-handedly erased the reality of womanhood and turned it into a performance/identity. Have at it fellas! (or was saying fellas too masc?…)
Josh447
No thx
deppa
I reject everything listed although I’m no fan of “girls night out” or bach. party chicks at the gay bar. I work in a small company that is 99% hetero. Come the weekend I want to hang w/ my gay peeps, away from straight women. It;s the one place I can feel like I’m in the minority in terms of my sexuality (although not much anymore).
Now that gay bars are 60% women, straight dudes follow. So, now you’ve got 60% straight women, 25% straight men and 15% gay men. The gay guys bail b/c its no longer a gay bar and so do the women who don’t want to be hit on by straight men and in the end, no one wins. Good plan.
frankcar1965
Ha Ha I’m just plain old GAY too! So boring.
Josh447
I’m good with bullets 2,3,5. The rest can go.
SiamSam
“Vote for Trump” in the “far right” corner. LMAO That’s gonna cause some triggering among the Trump haters.
DCguy
The Trump haters? Oh that’s right, you other screenames of Mo Bro are still on here trying to pretend you aren’t heterosexual, anti-lgbt trolls defending bigots.
dwes09
Actually, you seem both triggered and misunderstanding of the humor! The point (though incorrect) being that men with “toxic masculinity” are more likely to support trump. The actuality is that those lacking the critical skills necessary to determine their own best interest (as well as the best interest of the country, the world, the economy in the long run, the environment, democracy….) would vote trump. and they will be about 15% of lgbt folks, be they butch, femme or otherwise.
Knight
DCTroll and you are still trying to pretend YOU don’t have multiple other sock-puppets (i.e. “Cam”) and that anyone thinks what you have to say is remotely relevant. Just drown yourself already, troll.
niles
this is a new thing now that self-appointed people have taken upon themselves to preach to gay men about how they should behave, think, or even have sex. Good god, i’ve had enough preaching from the holy rollers, and i sure as shit don’t need it from you. STFU
dwes09
You must be very young. People have ALWAYS taken it upon themselves to preach to others about how they should behave, most notably from the right who advocate “acting like the heteros when in their presence”.
PaulTK
I wonder why they need to put so many other people down, in order to enjoy themselves? It looks like a parody …
Hravn
it is.
Heywood Jablowme
You just figured that out, huh?
Did you think “Club Generico” was a real place? lol
dwes09
Uh, it clearly is. A bit mean spirited on the part of those who devised it, but still mildly amusing.
DeserTBoB
It’s a parody of what passes for a gay club today…and, unfortunately, it’s QUITE accurate. Most truthful is the bottom line, “straight-owned…voted for Trump.” That’s the truth in WeHo in about 85% of the bars still left down there.
gymmuscleboy
Liberals! There is nothing toxic here! Get over yourselves!
DeserTBoB
Moron.
Knight
Wow…WHERE IS THIS PARTY? As a bi-sexual man, I definitely don’t mind hanging out with women…unless it’s at a supposedly gay club/party. In pretty much EVERY city now the hottest gay parties open to the public have an entourage of fat, twerking, drunk women who are looking to be someone’s next fag-hag. It really pisses me off, since it changes the environment into a sorority party (the queenier guys who MIGHT have toned it down suddenly feel the need to have a shrieking contest when women are around). And there are MANY guys I’ve met who are uncomfortable being intimate (i.e. kissing etc) with other guys when they see girls around watching and giving the obligatory, “Awwwwe! that’s so cute!”
What the F^%$ ever happened to “safe spaces”? Or does that not apply to gays? I thought it did…
deppa
Yes! For some odd reason, twinkish gay guys get manic when they see a hetero woman
(attractive or not) and start shouting “Gurrrll!! You are so HOT! I love your hair!!! Gurrllll, I luvvvvv your outfit!!! Lets go shopping together!!” etc etc.
It’s insane. I truly think these gay dudes treat hetero women far better than other gay men and certainly far better than lesbians. If you look at Yelp! reviews of gay bars, it’s always the hetero women that are having great times and the gay guys not so much.
I am probably a non-stereotypical male in that I have very little in common w/ women – I hate shopping, don’t care about fashion or interior design etc. I do know there are other gay guys like me so I get offended when I hear straight women say “Gay men and straight women are one and the same” No. Not at all.
BigWill
You left out “biracial” in front of “bisexual,” Mo.
Knight
Bigfatwill – I never said I was “Bi-racial”. I’m 100% Latin you complete phucktard.
Deppa – EXACTLY!!!!!
Donston
I’ve been to a gay club once in the past eight years and only about several times before that. I don’t mind the loud dance music, the egregious stereotypes, the debauchery, the fag-hags, etc. There’s some enjoyment to be had on that scene. It’s just not what I consider a legit good time. I would almost always rather be doing something else.
I will say that not being attracted to effeminate men, not being into stereotypical “gay activities” and not wanting to be surrounded by women at a place that caters to gay/gay-leaning men isn’t the same thing as “toxic masculinity”. In fact, many effeminate men shy away from those things. It’s simply not the same as being hateful or feeling superior. And it definitely isn’t the same as being obsessed with masculinity or worshiping straightness and ‘mostly straight’ness. The target for “toxic masculinity” is too broad, nondescript and often misses the most hateful and self-resenting types of people. It’s almost as if they’re starting to push this idea that being effeminate automatically equates to being kind, self-accepting, self-comfortable and healthy-minded. And that couldn’t be further from reality. There’s a percentage of bitterness, self-hate and headcase-i-ness in every type.
Hravn
Well said.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
A good night out marred by the diva tunes
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
Its very triggering that other people insist on having interests and preferences different than yours
Donston
There are plenty of things that are rarely talked about in these broad-stroking parodies. Yes, there is some definite truth in “toxic masculinity”, but the “fem-scene” can be just as ruthless. Also, things like straight and straight-leaning men and women who indulge the “gay scene” due to narcissism, shallow attention craving or money grubbing, women who are obsessed with “turning” a gay or gay-leaning man, masculine and effeminate men who are obsessed with “straight guys” (though they’ll sometimes refer to them as “mostly straight” or bi to feel less like hetero worshipers), the misandry and internalized homophobia that exist in a decent amount of masculine and effeminate men, the bitchiness and exclusivity that many effeminate men exude- these things are fairly common but are hardly as talked about and criticized as much as “toxic masculinity”.
You can’t criticize and parody one or two issues and ignore everything else. Stuff like that is what continuously makes the lgbtq “movement” look so lame and hypocritical.
Hravn
^ THIS!
chris33133
They missed the final bullet:
No holier-than-thou individuals spouting new-age-millennial pap about accepting everyone and everything who, at the same time, judge and condemn anyone who disagrees with them.
DeserTBoB
DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!
frankcar1965
And FLUID anything!!
DCguy
So an article written about a fake poster?
DeserTBoB
Yes…one that makes a very incisive, salient point. If you don’t get it, you’re most likely part of the problem.
Knight
DCTroll wait…aren’t YOU a fake poster? You miserable, creepy human waste?
Brody
“Toxic masculinity” is just another liberal phantom, right up there with white privilege and racist cops.
BigWill
Dragged out most of your screen names this morning, huh, troll?
dwes09
Are you actually claiming that white privilege and racist cops don’t exist? It is always amusing to me how the regressives mistake their imagination for reality. There is a mountain of empirical data regarding both those things. Both experimental and and based on court and employment/wage records. But don’t let facts muddy up your child-like world!
DeserTBoB
Another “Gay for Frump,” no doubt.
Knight
Brody “toxic masculinity” is a lot less dangerous than “feminism”, since the latter can get you fired for so much as saying, “nice hat!”
Sturzl1967
You know we’ve progressed as a community when this is the shit we argue about.
DeserTBoB
REgressed…markedly.
bugg
I would love to go to this kind of party 🙂
Knight
hells yeah! Let’s do it!!! 😛
Geeker
The irony will be lost on many.
DeserTBoB
Lost on most GenYers and ALL millennials. We gay lib-era disco queens “get it.”
sfcarlos65
Exactly! More and more, we are losing our sense of humor.
kcXanadu
Can we stop trying to demasculinize everything? I happen to like it. I happen to embrace it. I happen to enjoy it and I’m by no means an alpha. Just because it’s foreign to you or that a masculine person was your childhood bully is no reason to attack ALL masculine people. If you don’t like parties or bars like these then DON’T GO!!
Stop being babies about things you don’t like. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist. A lot of these guys never felt like they were worthy of being masculine as children and now they’re finally at point in their lives where they can embrace and love it. Trying to steal or rob someone of their comfort that took them years to reach is just you being, not there yet. It’s you announcing that you’re still on your path to accepting yourself. That’s fine and I support you but there’s no need to try and tear down everything around you along your way.
When people finally reach a place where they can celebrate themselves and celebrate who they are, it’s never a time to try and tear them down. These issues are yours and not there’s. They’re fine. So let the masculine guys be. If you’re intimidated by them that’s your problem.
As a large Male people naturally find me intimidating. I can’t help on how you perceive me. I was born this way and I’m tired of apologizing for it. Yes it’s a privilege and I’m going to embrace it. I refuse to let anyone try to make me feel less than what I am because they don’t like it. Get over me.
misc1444
My polite request to straight women is that if at all possible, please do not regularly frequent gay clubs. In most cities, there are hundreds of places for a straight woman to go out on a Friday night, but only a handful of gay clubs. There are a lot more straight women in this world than gay men, and the magic of the gay club – that the conventions of the outside world are reversed and people are presumed to be gay, not straight – could be very easily lost.
DeserTBoB
Most of the gay bars in WeHo are infested with alcolic str8 women. The place is a zoo now.
paul dorian lord fredine
i wouldn’t piss on a club like that if it were on fire.
queerT
Sounds like my sort of place. People need to quit worrying about places where they’re excluded and make their own spaces. Nothing ruins a hot sweaty all male vibe like hearing “Woooooo!!!” from some straight bitch.
IanHunter
It is what it is. Sounds like a great place.
gothvixen
Exactly what I experienced on Canal Street. Male couple, female couple and single me had to fight to find a place that would admit us all. I was verbally abused by a bloke in the loos who said I looked too straight. I can’t help my face, or boobs. I thought we were past the point where your appearance dictated your sexuality. It’s like going back to Tipping The Velvet times.
Paco
It’s exaggerated satire. Stop clutching the pearls, girls. If you are just proudly masculine, then this satire shouldn’t bother you.
Paco
“Masculinity is real, natural, and biological. Toxic masculinity is a performance invented to reinforce it.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-difference-between-masculinity-and-toxic-masculinity_us_59842e3ce4b0f2c7d93f54ce
ALLENGRUNDEN
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luxmunk
So, what am I missing. Is this funny to some folks? Unoriginal, yes. Hilarious, no.
Donston
“Toxic masculinity” has become a thoroughly written about thing over the past year both in and out of the “gay community”. It’s a legit problem for sure, but like so many of the psychological and sociological issues that many gay, gay-leaning and queer men face it’s connected to homophobia, internalized homophobia, self-resentment, desperation to hold on to some sense of hetero-normalcy, megalomaniac instincts, paraphilia, anxiety disorders, having a corroded and damaged ego, having a contorted and conflicted sense of self, etc. I honestly feel like it’s a cop-out to hone in on this one thing and ignore the rest of the messes that evolve from these problems and ignore the core problems themselves. It’s just a very easy target.
alanballs
Once upon a time, (before moving permanently to Asia) I lived in a (well known US) city that had a plethora of gay bars, all types, flavors, colors, preferences, tastes, and we all got along just fine. No one was outwardly offended by drag queens, lady-bois, leather daddies, jocks, twinks; whatever. Weekend bar-hopping and Sunday afternoon tea dances were the norm. Twink bars, leather bars, rave bars, gay sports bars, str8 bars, lesbian bars, gay businessman bars abounded, peacefully coexisted and overlapped. We had gay bowling leagues in the winters and gay softball leagues in the summer. Made tons of (gay) friends from all over the country and ,all was well. What happened?
Knight
Hey Alan, as has been pointed out a few times above, what happened is that the feminists (both male and female) decided anything that looks like exclusive masculinity cannot be tolerated (forget the whole gay male thing…not relevant to this discussion). Therefore, ALL clubs had to be opened up to cackling, drunken women (especially leather bars!) because we just can’t have anything that looks like gay sexuality without women around…because…um…
Knight
I’m beginning to think the author of this post, David Grant, exemplifies the very worst of the gay community…
IWantAFullBeard
As a very masculine gay man, I’m flattered, but I truly don’t understand the obsession with masculinity. Frankly, a guy with a touch of ‘feminity’ is kind of sexy. Especially if they are trying to act all masculine but have a slight lisp. It’s sexy.
Paco
I’m convinced it is the guys that act all masculine but think they have a slight lisp are the ones that are all obsessed about a twisted version of masculinity. Kind of like the muscle guy that sees a skinny kid in the mirrror no matter how much weight he lifts or the amount of steroids he injects into his body.
They are extremely easy to spot when mixed in with guys that are just naturally masculine without effort. Any behavior that is over the top is easy to spot.
johannh
That is truer than the flyer imples, unfortunately. And that is why I never fit in the gay community, nor did I ever wanted to. I think being gay is one thing, being homosexual is something else. One can be homosexual but not gay.
Tête Carrée
(Aggressive eye roll)