Dribs and drabs of interesting quotes keep coming out of the hack of the Hillary Clinton campaign’s emails. The leaks, probably orchestrated by Russia, have been mostly unsurprising but they do provide a bit of an insight into her thought process — including her thoughts on “gay rights.”
In an off-the record interview, a New York Times reporter chatted with her about … well, we don’t really know what, because it was off the record. That’s not unusual at all, but a few fragments of their conversation survive because the reporter circled back to the campaign to ask if they could use some of Hillary’s quotes from the talk.
Specifically, they were interested in publishing this: “gay rights has moved much faster than women’s rights or civil rights, which is an interesting phenomenon somebody in the future will unpack,” Hillary said.
That’s an interesting observation, worded awkwardly. It’s obvious what she meant — that attitudes towards LGBTs have moved much faster in the last 40 years than they have on women’s and racial equality. That’s quite true! And it’s an interesting point. But oh, the wording: “gay rights” is a bit of an old fashioned term, since gays don’t see special rights, just the same rights as everyone else.
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And oof, it’s a little weird to put “gay rights” against “women’s” and “civil.” Of course, there’s a lot of intersectionality in there, since many queer people are women, and civil rights apply to all of us. These aren’t parallel tracks of liberation, they’re all happening together and overlapping. Given more time, Hillary could surely have formulated a much better statement that wasn’t prone to misunderstanding, but this was just an informal off-the-cuff chat, so of course the wording isn’t quite there.
Nevertheless — it’s nice to know Hillary’s paying attention to our struggle.
ErikO
LOL riiiiiight.
broadshoulder
I thought she backed out of the gay marriage argument
Dave in Northridge
You know, she told the United Nations something along the lines of “gay rights are human rights”. I created a group at daily Kos called “LGBT Rights are Human Rights” in August 2013 prompted by her speech and by the fact that Trump’s friend Putin was persecuting lesbians and gay men.
johnkcopley
She probably would like to know why so that she can help the others pick up pace too? if she gets the chance. This is a silly play on words.
SteveDenver
When the issue is semantics, we’re in pretty damn good shape.
The takeaway:
Hillary Clinton supports rights for MinotiritesGaysWomen, Trump does not.
gjg64
I don’t read anything awkward in that quote. Honestly, saying “Gay rights” is a lot easier than trying to remember L then G then B then T and sometimes Q. Half the time I end up saying BLT (I’m quite fond of that type of sandwich)
And besides, when you think how quickly a lot of the more recent changes have occurred since the the mid 80s when the Bowers decision was made to now…..it really is fast.
joeyty
Is that supposed to be a compliment from that pantsuited liar ? She also said “Islam is NOT our enemy” while….how many gays were officially executed by that religion in the last week, Hillary?? I’d believe anything she says about as much as I believe she didn’t know Bill was fooling around. Trump might be vulgar and crass, but at least he mentioned the Pulse massacre directly and called out the religion. The Clintons will throw gays to the Muslim sharks in a second if it increases their vote.
joeyty
@Dave in Northridge: I respectfully disagree with you on that one. The greater truth is that if Hillary becomes President we WILL see more Pulse-style homophobic massacres directly tied to her. I’d love to be proven wrong, but…
Gian85
@joeyty: says the little self hater supporting the orange haired guy who hates LGBT people. Are you this stupid in person? BTW, your orange haired friend keeps on doing business with the Saudis. Go ahead… Believe that two timing moron.
joeyty
@Gian85: Obama does business with the Saudis too. Everybody does. You’re the self-hater.
joeyty
@Gian85: And of course YOU’D support the Clintons. You don’t care if we die. It adds drama to your life. You laughed over San Bernardino and did high kicks over Orlando.
Gian85
@joeyty: you are so full of it. Hillary would deal with the threat of terrorism. Your moronic hysteria is ironic. If Trump was President, we would see multiple 9/11s… His words are even used on freaking terrorist recruitment videos. Trump is a national security threat.
And some serious news is coming. Pending indictment of Donald Trump for fraud and racketeering coming up! Along with more leaked tapes.
These emails on Hillary don’t state anything out of the ordinary. And aren’t really news compared to what’s coming up.
Gian85
@joeyty: you are one who doesn’t care. You just don’t get it do you, fool. Trumps own supporters would murder LGBT people. Get it in your thick skull. There are many Timothy McVeigh types waiting.
Gian85
@joeyty: and a little back stabbing piece of sh*t like you is worth nothing to anyone. Trump is melting down just like you.
joeyty
@Gian85: Do you REALLY see that schoolteacher Hillary Clinton dealing with some of the more ferocious characters in the world ?? No way ! Like Trump said, she will bring so many refugees to the U.S. it will be the worst Trojan Horse we’ve ever seen. And she KNOWS about the Rotherham rapes and the homophobic assaults throughout Europe, as well as the attacks. Unless she’s totally lying about bringing those refugees here (which, granted, she might be) there’s no way she’s fit to be President. She absolutely won’t protect her own people.
Gian85
@joeyty: You are beyond help. you sick little demented lying fool. Trojan horse? Look at Dumpster. You support a criminal child rapist like Trump. You lie about Hillary’s own immigration play . lying liar.
Gian85
@Gian85: *immigration policy.
This kid joey supports a lunatic child rapist.
joeyty
@Gian85: Yeah, sure. The Neighbors Nightclub gets set afire in Seattle. A Tim McVeigh type.?..uh, no. Fifty gays get blown away by a gunman after listening to preachers talking about how gays should die. A Tim McVeigh type…uh, no. And how about this one, who neither Obama nor Hillary nor the mayor of London will DARE mention : https://www.queerty.com/islamic-preacher-lecturing-london-seen-outlining-ways-kill-gay-people-20161007 Trump is the ONLY one who will go there. But you’ll hide from that because….you’re still mad about the Colombia thing and, frankly, WANT more death.
joeyty
@Gian85: Bill Clinton is the child rapist. Hillary knows that. Deal with it.
joeyty
@Gian85: You WANT three million Muslim refugees in the U.S. ? Seriously….answer that now.
Gian85
@joeyty: And Trump is giving reason for note attacks. You are a lying sack of sh*t. Trump can’t do anything because he is a lying pedophile who would rather walk into a woman’s changing room to inspect teen girls. You are a sick little freak.
joeyty
@Gian85: Answer the above question.
Gian85
@joeyty: you need to seriously say this to my face and you will immediately change your tone. Little coward.
Hillary doesn’t want three million refugees here. stop your lying. The numbers even entering Europe is way down.
Lying little Nazi.
Eye of the Beholder
She almost sounds like she’s angry about something. Maybe someone should tell her that LGBT rights have to move fast, because we have farther to go! Not to mention America fell so far behind the rest of the world progressively. Women are not even a minority as they represent a full 51% of America.
As a gay man I fear that hetero-normativity will allow women to cross certain boundaries sexually with me that have been protecting me albeit under the straight man’s tent pole. Nobody is affronted by the mere sight of a woman unless she’s walking into a men’s locker room. And straight men seem poised to absent-mindedly if not hetero-normatively grant them the double standard of doing just that much one day too. What right will I have as a gay man if a woman decides to sexually assault me when my speaking out would identify me as not being straight?
And just how much farther do Women’s Rights have to go? It sounds like women just want the right to rape gay men. Did she mean rape laws, because our rape laws are still non-existent too. Especially where hetero-normative women are concerned. The only time a woman is assaulted it seems is when she strikes first. I have never heard of unprovoked attacks on women to where they have to pick up and leave as with racial and sexual minorities.
It’s not like it’s illegal to fire a person if you find out: “Eek! We employed a Black person!” Or: “Holy smokes Mr. Smith. Did you know Barbara in accounting is a woman!?” There’s still so much work for our society to do to combat fear and prejudice.
Gian85
@joeyty: I won’t answer the question of a little freak who supports a lying criminal pedophile like Trump. And your accusation of Bill Clinton shows you are blowing smoke.
Gian85
Little Joey is crying and crying because Trump is having an enormous meltdown and is taking the whole GOP with him. Now even their house majority is in jeopardy. There is a chance they will lose Arizona, Georgia and even Texas.
Trump was the trojan horse. He is doing this intentionally to destroy the GOP within.
He was Hillary’s friend for 20 years…
Eye of the Beholder
@Gian85: @joeyty: Okay, we got it. Nobody wants to vote for either one. F— our lives!!
joeyty
BTW : Both are probably, technically, awful with taking advantage of women. And I don’t care anymore because….it’s even. The big question is : who will assure a secure future for gays and lesbians and assure we didn’t do all the work for equality for nothing? I believe Trump is the better choice. Some honestly think Clinton is. Very few people are 100 percent happy with either choice. So…whoever wins…drop your egos and rivalries and just hope it turns out to be the one that will work out best.
joeyty
@Eye of the Beholder: I DO wish we had different candidates for both parties.
Minerva pomerantz
It was an acknowledgement of the strength and power of OUR MOVEMENT. In 50 years we have gone from jail-able status criminals to accepted legal status.
This is a credit to our LGBT leaders as we learned from the failures of the women’s rights movement, and the failures of the ‘civil rights’ movement.
We are a much smaller movement that includes EVERYONE.
And we get things done.
joeyty
@Gian85: Oh shush up, Colombian fascist. You should be dragged before the families of the Pulse massacre victims and let them apply the proper punishment.
Gian85
@joeyty: you are lying again. Hillary is viewed more favorably for national security than Trump. You are a fool if you think Trump is a better choice. A damn fool. I’m 75% happy with Hillary and 0% happy with Trump. You drop your own ego you little liar.
Trump wont secure anything for gay people. He hates gay people and many of his supporters want to see gay people murdered.
joeyty
@Gian85: No. Hillary WILL throw gays to the Muslim wolves the first chance she gets. Just like the Labor Party in the UK has done to gays in favor of Islam.
Gian85
@joeyty: you are the one that will get your face pounded in for supporting Trump, you egotistical little punk. You are a little nazi for supporting an extremist like Trump.
News flash… Trump is like Duterte. He will accuse you of a crime and order police to shoot you on site. So much for your rights.
Gian85
@joeyty: lying liar back at it again. Lying once again about Hillary because that orange collapsing pedophile told him to lie.
joeyty
@Gian85: You would get exactly what you deserve when dragged before the Pulse court.
Gian85
Joey, they would kick your @$$ for trying to say they would side with white trump supporting trash like you.
joeyty
@Gian85: And …I PROMISE you, one more homophobic massacre directly tied to Hillary Clinton’s allowing every homophobic foreigner to swarm in here, and I’m coming for you. That might sound extreme, but we HAVE to start holding the traitors in our midst accountable. The gay future depends on it. I can get to Los Angeles at a moments’ notice.
joeyty
@Gian85: Why wouldn’t they side with a white man ? You’re saying the Pulse clientele were r@cists now too ??
Gian85
@joeyty: And what a surprise… He is lying again about Hillary. Yeah. Come and say this to my face. And at a moments notice? So you don’t live in New York after all?
Lying liar.
Gian85
@joeyty: you are white trash that supports Trump. Not a man. You don’t qualify as a man.
CWM85
What we know about Hillary and her emails, lies, lawlessness, wall street speeches, dnc corruption and media bias… is that she is not deserving of America’s vote. She wants open borders, trade… called those with low capital.. bucket of losers… deplorables… let’s show the corrupt D.C. establishment. Vote against Hillsry.
joeyty
@Gian85: I’m in NYC. Direct flights all the time. You can spout your homophobic and anti-white r@cist hate online all you WANT, but you WILL answer to it when people really die.
joeyty
@CWM85: A 100 percent corrupt homophobe, and so many gays have so little self-esteem that they’ll vote for her.
Gian85
@CWM85: Hahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahhahhahahahhaha how typical! Another right wing troll lying. Trump has several court dates coming. Financial fraud and child rape. One is scheduled for later in November. What corruption and lies? You support a corrupt liar known as Trump..
After this past week, I don’t even understand how you right wing turds can even show your face.
Gian85
@joeyty: you support a rapist thug known as Trump. You are a disgusting filthy bigot. White trash.
@joeyty: you are referring to Trump who would make homosexuality illegal.
You are pathetic little joey!
CWM85
She wants more not vetted refugees to come here who hate gays. Gee, how great for us… countries were they hang and throw us off buildings… she takes in so much cash feom anti gay countries for her silence! Never hillary.
Gian85
I had my fun for the day. You right wing trolls are such a laugh.
Trump said 400 pound dudes can hack stuff. Well… A 400 pound dude controls CWM and joeytys accounts.
Have fun with these trolls!
CWM85
I have a public and private policy. Those who who are after us, big banks, wall street are buckets full of losers! I really can’t relate to middle class. I am for open borders and open trade. -Hillary Clinton.
Gian85
@CWM85: trump wants to jail gay people and allow for right wing fascists to take control. And you are lying about immigration.
Desperate fool. Numbers aren’t looking so good for you.
Have a great day. Here is a tissue box, liar!
CWM85
She blamed her lies and double talk on Abe… lol she is really trash. Really blame your behind doors, secret 225,000 on the man who bravely ended slavery? Really? The dems were the party of slaves and Hillary wants to continue it with the form of government.
JoeyRamone
LOL. I can tell a couple of commenters started the day with Red Bull.
Hey, how about we toughen gun laws so mental midgets like some of Drumpt’s deplorables can’t score guns.
The Orlando killer was psychologically disturbed and as much a muslim as Drumpf is a Republican.
Gian85
@CWM85: You can’t help but lie about everything. Things look like sh*t for you right now. Enjoy the loss!
glennmcbride
@joeyty: This election is more about the Supreme Court than anything else. Trump has already stated he would recommend Scalia type judges and he has stated he is against marriage equality. That alone makes Trump the wrong choice.
hwc2016
We know what Wiki leaks are up to, trying to help Donald Trump, but we gays are too smart to fall for this nonsense.
Riotgirl41
The only thing awkward about the statement was this “article”. Please hire some real writers.
cardcats
OMG!!! PLEASE quit going on a witch hunt just LOOKING for controversy!!! WTF wrote this NONSENSE?!?!?!?
cardcats
@Riotgirl41: RIGHT?!?!?!?
Kieran
Hillary: “gay rights has moved much faster than women’s rights or civil rights, which is an interesting phenomenon somebody in the future will unpack.”
Unpack this Hillary: Gays can still be legally fired from their jobs in the US while women and blacks can’t. Moved fast? Totally clueless.
Franklin
@Kieran: I don’t know if you’ve been keeping up with current events, but black people are still facing marked discrimination in housing, employment, the criminal justice system. Don’t let the nomination of Barack Obama fool you into thinking we live in a post racial paradise.@Minerva pomerantz: As far as being inclusive of everyone, I assume you mean in demographics only, because from what I’ve seen the gay community can at times be very exclusive to only white gay males.
startenout
The only awkward thing I see here is the writing in this article. Women and minorities weren’t looking for special rights either, so calling it “gay rights” seems perfectly in line with other fights for equality and not awkward. And comparing the different battles for equality is something we ourselves have done numerous times especially when telling older black leadership that the fight for gay rights IS a fight for civil rights. SMH at the reporting here, sometimes.
Stilinski26
The leaks showed she and her husband still supports DOMA.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@JoeyRamone: Joey is just a coward, he’s the type who is afraid of his own shadow, and might shot himself by mistake if he owned a gun.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Hussain-TheCanadian: I’m referring to joeyty sorry.
Minerva pomerantz
@CWM85: Do you speak Russian?
Minerva pomerantz
@Franklin: Because we were fronted by GWMs we were able to move civil rights for all LGBTs. That is a strength that we played to to our advantage. There were closeted GWM on the golf courses, in the locker rooms, at the card tables, all providing us with behind the lines information that no person of color or woman could ever had access to.
Brian
You’ve got to understand that women fear the power of male homosexual desire. It represents a rejection of women and acceptance of men for sexual pleasure.
Interestingly, if a man expresses only homosexual desires, he is less of a threat to women than a man who is capable of expressing both heterosexual and homosexual desires. That is because a man who expresses only homosexual desires can be easily separated from a woman’s domain.
KEY POINT: Such a man cannot interfere with her sexual marketing strategy, which consists of extracting rewards from men in exchange for sexual consent.
In contrast, a man who expresses both homosexual and heterosexual desires is a man who can escape a woman’s manipulative, controlling strategy. This is one reason why male bisexuality is generally frowned upon in countries which have given women special privileges, such as the USA and Britain. Here, women have been given the benefit of the bisexual double standard, which glamorizes female bisexuality but goes “ewww” at the mention of male bisexuality.
Historically, homophobic laws have been directed at men, not women. Queen Victoria’s England is a perfect example: male homosexuality was banned but female homosexuality was allowed. She was responsible for this selective form of homophobia as were many other women at the time.
KEY POINT: Women encouraged the enacting of laws that specifically targeted the expression of male homosexual desire.
Stenar
It’s more than a bit hypocritical that you’re picking apart her wording of ‘gay rights’ but fine with using the term women’s rights. Women aren’t seeking special rights, either.
‘Gay rights’ is just a shorthand for ‘civil rights for gay people.’ Most of the gay people I know use the term ‘gay rights’ frequently.
ChrisK
@Brian: Wow. Not reading any of that insane babble but it is amazing the time you spend thinking about it.
Stenar
@Brian: Nonsense. This sounds more like typical gay male misogyny.
Stenar
@CWM85: Actually, her story about Lincoln checks out.
“THE FACTS: Clinton’s recollection is correct.
Clinton invoked the movie ‘Lincoln,’ and the deal-making that went into passage of the 13th Amendment, which outlawed slavery, in an April 2013 speech to the National Multifamily Housing Council.
According to excerpts of the speech included in hacked emails published last week by WikiLeaks, Clinton said politicians must balance ‘both a public and a private position’ while making deals, a process she said was like making sausage.
‘It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be,” Clinton said according to the excerpts. ‘But if everybody’s watching, you know, all of the backroom discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position.'”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-fact-check-clinton-cited-lincoln-on-political-deals/2016/10/09/4d3da8f6-8e91-11e6-bc00-1a9756d4111b_story.html
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
She’s the best candidate. But c’mon..until very recently she was lukewarm on gay marriage to say the very least.
biggdaddysd
She is a self-serving lying bitch who cannot be trusted.
IcarusD
I’m not really following why “gay rights” is seen as awkwardly-phrased. While LGBT is more commonly used nowadays, “gay rights” remains acceptable, especially when talking about the historical movement.
Hillary Clinton is not the first person to note this. Off the top of my head, I can think of at least three reasons (and probably more) reasons for this. One is that future movements build on the successes of previous movements that have already paved the way through creating strategies, setting legal precedents, and shaping public relations. Subsequent movements have an easier time because they can trod the roads paved by others. Second, the LGBT movement really escalated after the time of the Internet, a valuable organizing tool that didn’t exist during the busiest times of the civil rights movement and women’s movement. Third, LGBT people are born into all families. As a result, when more and more LGBT people come out, their issues become their family’s issues and you get even conservatives like Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, who has a gay son, coming out for same-sex marriage years before the Supreme Court legalized it. Yes, women are of course born into all families, too, so that’s more speaking to the racial civil rights movement, but women are born into those families with specific gender expectations and breaking out of those expectations both for those women and those families seems harder.
Moving fast doesn’t mean that it’s all over. Yes, in way too many states LGBT people can be fired, and people can use “religious freedom” as a justification for anti-gay bigotry. But the things we have gained have moved quickly, relatively quickly. From the founding of our country, how long did it take to abolish slavery? And then though we passed a Constitutional Amendment supposedly guaranteeing their right to vote, it took another hundred years to actually enforce it. And the 19th Amendment that guaranteed women the right to vote took 41 years between when it was first introduced in Congress to when it was finally ratified — and it took at least two decades of lobbying by suffragettes for it to first be introduced. And that was just for the right to vote. The whole other issues of the right to have their own credit cards, homes in their own names, etc. didn’t start happening until the 1960s and 70s. Hell, it was the 1980s when the Supreme Court finally struck down Louisiana’s laws that said that the husband could make all financial decisions without his wife’s consent or even knowledge, including decisions about property his wife owned in her own name prior to her marriage.
So look, this is not a pissing match. It’s a point of interest to explore why some things have moved faster. And as I’ve said, I believe at least in part it’s because modern movements can build on the successes and precedents of earlier ones, and because modern movements have modern organizing tools that earlier movements didn’t have.
Captain Obvious
I guess that means it doesn’t matter that she refers to young black men as super predators who need to be brought to heel.
I love how as long as the bigotry of both candidates doesn’t effect you some of you just toss votes and support gungho at either of them without a care in the world.
They’re both trash.
GC1985
I see no “misunderstanding”. Hillary’s opinion that gays are lesser people who don’t deserve the same rights as others is WELL-DOCUMENTED. A leopard can’t change its spots. Trump 2016!
David Myers
@Dave in Northridge: @Dave in Northridge: That speech by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took place on Dec 6, 2011 and was addressed to all of the nations of the world and was made to the United Nations General Assembly. It is the most impressive and inspiring statement in support of our right to the same rights as everyone else that I’ve even heard or seen. I didn’t imagine that I’d live long enough to see such a strong statement of principle about LGBTQ rights addressed to the world in the name of President Obama, the United States government, and Secretary Clinton. It brought tears to my eyes. Anyone who hopes to negate Hillary’s personal commitment to LGBTQ rights should have to watch this and then see what they have to say. For the rest of us please watch. It is worth the time and you are watching human rights history being made before your eyes. Here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIqynW5EbIQ
Mo Bro
@biggdaddysd:
Truth . . . how come so few of us can see it?
Gian85
@joeyty: You lie lie lie. You hate hate hate. I am better than that. I am quadrasexual.
o.codone
What’s really irksome is Giancarlo. So many of us have begged Queerty to restrict him, to cut the number of name-calling comments this guy can make. For a while he took a vacation and posted nothing. Queerty returned to “normal”. But, now he’s back. This article is a good example about how he monopolizes the comment section with his own hate and derision. Post after post after post, all of them sharp, biting, bitchy. Endless. Readers are weary of him. But, he has SO MANY screen names it’s impossible to know where he’s going to pop up next. He’s been asked to chill but he cannot self monitor. He cannot cut down his posts. It is speculation but, is he in jail and has nothing else to do? Or, perhaps disabled, stuck at home or in an assisted living nursing home? Nobody with a regular life has time or the desire to sit on Queerty hour after hour and put up post after post after post the way he does. QUEERTY, HELP US OUT. I’m not saying ban him (which you have done in the past), I’m saying have a little chat with this guy and tell him to knock it off, or at least cut down on the bitching. It’s affecting clicks at Queerty. Of course it is. Queerty’s bottom line is affected by Giancarlo. So chill man. Go out, get yourself a life. Enough is enough. We’ve had this conversation 10 times already. Stop it. Just stop it.
o.codone
@joeyty: A while back you opened my eyes about immigration and the imminently increasing likelihood that religious fanatics will show-up at Pride and protest the gay lifestyle. These people are being brought here by none other than HRC and her policies which are hostile to gays. Why? We don’t need workers. Unemployment is already 20%, so that’s not the issue? Why just male immigrants of military age? Something’s fishy here. (hahhaha. sorry about the vaginosis reference). But she has to be stopped. Just remember. When the sewage of Is lam shows up with their beards and their placards, denouncing you and your loved ones, threatening beheading or to throw you from a building, just remember who brought the 7th century scum here. Gays for Hillary brought them here. Remind them they are responsible. A vote for Trump is the only safe move for gay people this election. Do it !
GayEGO
Of lot of us gays use the phrase gay rights when it is really about LGBT rights. Hillary supports Marriage Equality and LGBT anti-discrimination bills to support us. I wonder how much Wikileaks is getting paid to pilfer these messages, likely from Russia because Trump does not like to lose money.@Gian85: I am All-sexual and I am for equal rights for all Americans.
GayEGO
@Captain Obvious: Do your research, Hillary supports us and regardless of the need to retrain our police officers to avoid using deadly force unless absolutely necessary, our youth needs to be taught to respect police and to obey their orders.
GayEGO
@GC1985: You are talking about the old days before Hillary and Obama and the rest of people had not learned about us. Hillary supports Marriage Equality and Trump/Pence do not, Mike Pence signed an Anti-LGBT discrimination bill as governor of Indiana. Do the research and fact checking before opening your mouth, whether or not you are LGBT.
Tobi
@o.codone: Miss Giancarlo Carini belongs in a maximum security home for the terminally bewildered.
Tobi
@Gian85: OK, I know I’m going to regret asking this, but wtf is quadrasexual and do we have to add another Q to LGBTQQIP2SAAEF?
Oh, for the love of — I so wish I hadn’t decided to google that before post. You’re into necrophilia and sex with dead animals? Really?!
You so need help.
GC1985
@GayEGO: The old days? She was very vocal about her anti-SSM views just 3 years ago. And anyone who thinks she changed her PUBLIC opinion for any other reason but to advance her political career is a fool.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI&w=560&h=315%5D
Gian85
@GC1985: Go TRUMP.
toyotabedzrock
It sounds like she is upset and buttsore about it.
You just lost all credibility.