The six presidential hopefuls have wrapped up their chat. Now, let’s hear your thoughts. We’ll be coming at you with video recaps and exclusive coverage from Queerty editor Andrew Belonsky, who’s on the scene in Los Angeles.
From gay marriage and DOMA to HIV/AIDS and religious beliefs, much was discussed. Your reactions?
thinktank909
There should of been discussion of the persecution by the Islamic radicals that have been killing GLBT’s around the middle east.
There should of been less fawning from Melissa Ethridge. A sane rational blogger like Pam Spawlding would of been a better choice, where our straight allies would of thought of the event as a serious event.
whatworks75
I agree with ithinktank909. My disappointment with this debate is that it assumes that there is such a thing as a gay community and that somehow this alleged gay community all are preoccupied with issues concerning gay marriage and healthcare. There is more to being gay than the desire to get married and deal with HIV/AIDS.
It was also telling how few “everyday” gay people were in the audience. It appeared that most of the attendees were actors, bloggers and political activists. It’s always disappointing that “the common man” isn’t even included in these types of debates.
allstarecho
Well alright for Gravel going off on his drug promo. Listen to him and you’d think ALL gay people are into hard drugs and we want ’em legalized now! He’s still THE man out of all of ’em because he’s got the balls to say I SUPPORT SAME SEX MARRIAGE!
And btw, the forum was a joke. HRC should be ashamed.
MPetrelis
I didn’t watch the HRC chat with the Dem hopefuls because I thought it would be a waste of time. Ever since I read professional gay journalists were not to question the candidates, I stopped paying close attention.
As a very active global advocate who railed just today on my blog, after learning Nigeria may execute 18 homosexuals, that USA gay groups don’t do nearly enough for international LGBT people, I am saddened to read ThinkTank909’s comment re: no discussion of fags being hanged in the Middle East/Iran.
allstarecho
With all due respect Michael, we’re still trying to get our own rights here. That’s the problem with this country.. always trying to save the rest of the world instead of dealing with our own issues. Feed the starving in Africa? FEED THE STARVING IN AMERICA! Fight for gay rights in Iran? FIGHT FOR GAY RIGHTS IN AMERICA!
MPetrelis
Why are you shouting? The all caps are so unnecessary.
I happen to see more to LGBT rights than what is happening on Castro Street, my local city hall and state house, in Washington, and beyond our borders. In case you missed it, I did not advocate stopping all USA pushing for gay equality. I’m saying international global issues, and our brothers and sisters everywhere, are of concern to me.
forbesfart
Dennis Kucinich had a great night and won the forum.I have decided I will not support Hill nor am I feeling like being patronized from any of the others. Dennis speaks the same language I do. No wonder most think he is a nut or crazy…the mainstream media( coporate America) has been telling us how left he is for years.Average voters agree with his positions.I am hopeful that his campaign can catch ligtning and with a vigorous grass effort( need lbgt) roots snatch the nomination from the special interests.I think Dennis Kucinich is just what the country needs!
cjc
Kucinich comes off as the best candidate from an idealist perspective. But viewing from a realpolitik perspective, he’d be eaten alive during the general election. I hope he would at least be given some substantial position in a future Democratic presidential administration.
I agree there needs to be focus also upon the rights of LGBT folks elsewhere in the world. Yes, we’re still be killed over here–but so are they. And certain people in the government here have made the lives of Iraqi LGBT folks far worse than before.
I’m off to sing a few bars of The Internationale (the Billy Bragg version) now… 😉
TheFAF
I don’t know. Was that much really discussed?
I was disappointed in the whole affair. The responses were longer, which I appreciated, but with only 15 minutes per candidate, it seemed they just got started and then they were done. And all the panelists and audience members seemed to gush way too much.
I guess that’s what happens the first time around. We’re just so grateful they showed up. Now ask the damn questions.
Obviously Kucinich and Gravel gave the best answers, but neither will ever be president.
Of the ones who could win, I liked Hillary. (Who knew?)
While she evaded about as much as Obama or Edwards, I liked that she acknowledged the anger that might be there from her husband’s presidency.
(I, for instance, have anger at Edwards for his and Kerry’s miserable candidacy that brought us Bush for four more years.)
But I’m sure all of them will do something to piss me off before too long.
Woof
Bottom line is at least they recoginize gay people and don’t want us all in ex-Gay, right wing, reform camps…can’t you queens be a little happy. It was not a waste of time. It was a step in the right direction.
startagain
I agree with Woof and forbesfar and cjc.
This is a major victory having a ‘gay’ forum where national candidates participate. LOGO and HRC are to be applauded for their success! XM Radio and LOGO Cable/Online are to be praised for carrying the event ‘live’. This can only help to make us more visible to the straights.
Republicans amazingly did not see fit to participate. The Democrats have restored my faith.
Kucinich and Clinton are my favorites.
Leland Frances
First, I guess Petrelis the Hun doesn’t consider out gay Pulitizer Prize winner and member of the “Washington Post’s” editorial board Jonathan Capehart a “professional gay journalist.” For the record, Michael, he was the Black guy. Actually, what Petrelis is pissed about is that no “professional gays” like him would be included.
But moving from silly wabbits to substance: I’ve only seen partial transcripts, but I am stunned that no one here has yet mentioned the only new thing, and a REVOLUTIONARY one in any Presidential race, that was put forth last night. Edwards said that respect for gays SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS!!!!!!
“ETHERIDGE: Do you think public schools should teach about LGBT kids and families? Or do you think this is a place — how can we bring this into the public school system? Or should we?
EDWARDS: Oh, sure, it should. I mean, the kids who go to public schools need to understand why same-sex couples are the parents of some of the children. They need to understand that these are
American families, just like every American family. …. WE AS ADULTS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY’RE EDUCATED, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THIS IS A GOOD THING AND IT’S SOMETHING THAT WE AS AMERICANS BELIEVE IN AND EMBRACE.â€
There is NOTHING that irrationally frightens and drives homohaters more insane [and running to the polls] than anything related to their children, and, absurdly but viscerally, that those children will actually hear in schools that being gay is okay. Even to the point of laws that forbid even mentioning homosexuality in the most neutral way in classes involving AIDS education. Has no one seen how much of the propaganda and fundraising tactics of the rabidly antigay Focus on the Family and Traditional Values Coalition, etc., are built around such inflammatory lies as, “Homosexuals want to indoctrinate your children. They are teaching them how to be homosexuals in your schools†ad nauseum? Has everyone forgotten that at the beginning of the school year last year some teachers within miles of gay ground zero San Francisco, in the most liberal state in the country, REFUSED to put up state-mandated posters in their classrooms that didn’t even mention “gay” at all but only proclaimed them harassment free zones? Have people forgotten the lawsuits filed across the country to prevent their future Hitler Youth from having to attend anti-harassment classes? Mass walkouts of students they’ve organized to protest same?
Hold a gun to their heads and say, “Choose between legalizing gay marriage and your kids being simply told by their teachers that it’s okay to be gay,” and they would be throwing rice and leading off the Chicken Dance at our weddings tomorrow!
This will surely put him at the top of the foaming at the mouth, “stay away from my children,” antigay industry’s hit list. Why are we not at least applauding his courage and moral example when this would not only combat homophobia among straight kids but self-loathing among emerging gay kids?
GranDiva
On the whole: meh.
Way too much pandering in the interest of making the mythical gay community seem far more influential than it is. More or less a collective (and thanks to Etheridge, mutual) rim job. Are we really so narrowly defined and simply focused that this rather Shiny Happy People crap is all it takes to pacify us?
If so, I’m so disappointed that my faith in humanity is teetering on the brink.
MPetrelis
Leland,
I stand corrected on Mr. Capehart. I meant to say it would have interested me more if reporters from the Washington Blade, NYC’s Gay City News, Boston’s Bay Windows, SF’s Bay Area Reporter, had been part of the panel asking questions.
And regarding your use of the term professional gays to somehow slight me, I believe the folks at HRC are the real professional gay.
Not that there’s anything really wrong with that, is there?
Jack Jett
First of all is this the Petrelis that use to be with ACT UP? How do I know this name?
I thought all three interviewers sucked….big time.
They should have had journalist. Yes, I know Capehart is a journalist, just not a great interviewer. We don’t need rock stars of figure heads to ask important questions. They should have brought in a Trent Straube, Michael Signorile (sp) or even John McMullen. Somebody who knows their shit and doesn’t get so star struck.
That said, I felt that the Lady Clinton won the night for ME. I thought she was honest, on target, and didn’t seem to be trying so hard. No matter how you slice or dice it, or how you feel about her personailty, the Lady is smart. I think it will take both Clintons to bring the country back from the brink.
John Edwards was good and honest but seem a bit to chippy. I keep thinking he is going to start turning cartwheels at any second and the end in the splits with a big “go Edwards”.
I saw the holes in the Obama facade last night and it was sad. I was so up on this guy and I realized while watching him that he is not the second coming of John Kennedy as I had thought and hoped. The holes in his facade are showing his lack of experience and just a tad of arrogance. It was kind of sad, but I would still fuck him.
Dennis Kusinich was by far…by far the best. It is like all of America needs to get on a big conference call and agree to vote for this man. It is the fear of throwing a vote away in such an important election that will keep him out of the running. I would love to see a Clinton/Kusinich ticket.
Bill Richardson is a hispanic George Bush
Mike Gravel reminds me of me if I were straight.
He doesn’t know when to shut his pie hole up. I admire that in a man but he will never be President of the United States, and I will never be President of the HRC.
All in all, it is something I never thought I would see in my lifetime and I thank Logo and the HRC for putting this together.
jack jett
Eminent Victorian
Logo isn’t available where we live in Montana, but we did try to watch the “debate” (“interviews,” I guess is more apt) online–the video crapped out after five minutes, so we enjoyed the audio instead.
Overall, I was pleased such a forum took place. My main quibbles are to do with the HRC’s idea of itself, which I find somewhat troubling (that, and that bizarre MTV network exec who could barely speak as she self-congratulated her, um, network). So they explained that candidates would appear in the order in which they RSVPs, which is fine except that the candidates were not all invited simultaneously.
Despite her evident good intentions, Ms. Etheridge should not have been there, and she came off as sometimes emarrassing and fawning. And too much of what she did say ended up being about . . . her.
Listening to Mr. Kucinich is always fun, and he’s probably the only candidate I can say I truly respect. Given that, I feel like my desire to support him is outweighed by my desire to support the most reasonably electable candidate, and it does pain me to say I don’t believe he is our guy (or “girl,” heh).
I had been very interested in Mr. Richardson until the combined ickiness of that Imus show transcript surfacing and his frankly disasterous showing last night. It was awkward and embarrassing, and I think he’s pretty much skewered and done. He does have a record of some merit regarding LGBT matters, but he seems so very visibly ill at ease with these matters.
Obama: the voice of James Earl Jones coming out of the body of 12-year-old Tiger Woods. It still freaks me out, although I think he is a commanding speaker until you really start paying attention to what he says, or what he doesn’t say. I found it interesting his immediate willingness to describe his purported understanding of LGBT matters as refelcted through his “black experience” given that so many black Americans still seem to want to assert that it’s just “wrong” to compare the two experiences. Plus, didn’t he go by “Barry” as a student?
Edwards’s hair looked great.
I have harboured a distrust of Hillary for a long time, and I still sometimes feel a whiff of Kerry-like equivocation in her speeches and interviews, like she’ll say just anything to get the crowd in front of her to like her. But I was surprised by how impressed I was with her performance last night. I may not agree with all of her stances, but I feel as though I am slowly starting to more seriously consider her our most viable candidate. That scares me a bit still, but at the moment it’s how I feel.
allstarecho
Mike Gravel has my vote. He may be a lonnnnnng shot but at least I’ll sleep better at night knowing I voted for the right candidate.
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