As you know, Prince is dead. Long live Prince, in our hearts and minds and iTunes libraries.
With the music icon’s untimely exit (alone in his Paisley Park elevator. Was he going up or down?) comes the ritual reading of the record, Prince’s purple book of life. He said a lot over a lifetime, in music and words and at legendary parties in Minneapolis, New York and LA.
When he was 23, he opened for the Rolling Stones. He strode out wearing a trench coat, dropped it and played his entire set in a black thong. That’s saying a lot.
He was booed off the stage, and we fell in love.
Later, Prince seemed ambivalent about the prospect of gay marriage. “So here’s how it is,” he told The New Yorker in 2008, some years after finding religion with Jehovah’s Witnesses. “‘You’ve got the Republicans, and basically they want to live according to this.’ He pointed to a Bible. ‘But there’s the problem of interpretation, and you’ve got some churches, some people, basically doing things and saying it comes from here, but it doesn’t. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum you’ve got blue, you’ve got the Democrats, and they’re, like, “You can do whatever you want.” Gay marriage, whatever. But neither of them is right.’”
This is an intelligent conversation looking at both sides of an issue. Respect.
So do we throw the diminutive brown baby that was Prince out with the bathwater when he respectfully disagrees with us? Sure, if you want a world without “Purple Rain,” “Controversy” and “Sugar Walls.
But that would be sad.
Prince wasn’t a homophobe, or a hypocrite, but maybe some other “gay-friendly” entertainers have been. Stick with them or drop them? With respect, here’s a list of nine candidates:
1. Matt Damon 2015
Poor Matt.
This very nice middle-aged straight white guy got into a lot of trouble when he tried to get all Stanislovski with a reporter for the Guardian: “I think you’re a better actor the less people know about you period. And sexuality is a huge part of that. Whether you’re straight or gay, people shouldn’t know anything about your sexuality because that’s one of the mysteries that you should be able to play.”
Sure, right, someone get Ellen on the phone.
“I know you,” said the gay Oprah after a hastily arranged appearance, “and I know you’re not that guy.”
On his knees (Hi there), and forgiven.
2. Madonna 2014
Madonna has a great sense of humor. Like rap-loving white people who think they can freely call you “nigga,” she drops “gay” like she’s one of us. Oh wait, she’s actually done both.
In 2004, the Material Girl had a fun exchange with Entertainment Tonight host Mark Steines, who was wearing a vintage Madonna tee: “I can’t be seen with you dressed like that,” says Madge. “You’re a cowboy from the waist down, and you’re gay from the waist up. It’s a little bit weird.” As the two laugh, Steines protests, “You just called me gay!” Um, yeah, because you’re wearing a Madonna T-shirt.
Then in 2014, Madonna Mom praised kick-boxing son Rocco on Instagram with the hashtag #disnigga.
And the same year she called kale “gay”on Buzzfeed. Hilarious.
Keep her, even though she issued a formal apology for the former. Whatever. Words!
3. Britney Spears 2013
With the release of her comeback album Britney Jean, Spears took hits on all fronts. Single “Work Bitch” was variously described as craven gay marketing “designed to keep u fags on ecstasy blasting garbage music till 6 am,” and worse, “tacky”, while Spears revealed the her truth about hair and makeup gays: “A lot of my hairstylists and my beauty team that I work with are gay so I hang out with gays a lot and I just think they’re adorable and hilarious.” They better be, you’re paying them.
In another interview, she described her gay fans as “somewhat girls,” probably her hair team.
She’s a ding-dong. Why did you like her in the first place?
4. Paris Hilton 2012
Hilton is the most egregious example of gay-baiting celebrity hypocrisy. In 2012, a cab driver recorded Hilton and a friend discussing Grindr, inspiring the celebutante to describe gay men as “disgusting,” “the horniest people in the world,” and fated to all “like, die of AIDS.” Nice.
Get her out.
5. Kobe Bryant 2010
Bryant isn’t exactly Liza Minnelli when it comes to a gay fan base, but we’ve always considered the super-talented, clean-cut and philandering shooting guard to be a genuinely nice guy. So when he screamed “fucking faggot” at a ref, it was, um, unfortunate, costing Bryant a very public apology and a $100,000 fine. It also set in motion a dedicated effort in and around the NBA to promote tolerance, see Jason Collins, so yay.
Thanks, Kobe! Let’s hang out.
6. Jay Leno 2008
Jay Leno is another genuinely nice guy without any particular gay fan base (or straight one, for that matter) who got into trouble for being just too down. Interviewing adorable Ryan Philippe in 2008, Leno reminded his audience that the actor broke out playing a gay teen on soap One Life to Live. “Pretend the camera is your gay lover. Can you give me your gayest look?”
No? C’mon, it’s Jay! He’s being funny!
Awkwardness and a swift apology followed. Since he’s not really working, you don’t have to dump him.
7. Elton John 2008
Not all gays came around quickly to the idea of gay marriage. Like lots of ladies and gentlemen of his generation, Sir Elton and “partner” David Furnish had to come around to the idea. Here’s what John told USA Today in 2008. “I don’t want to be married. I’m very happy with a civil partnership. If gay people want to get married, or get together, they should have a civil partnership. The word marriage, I think, puts a lot of people off. You get the same equal rights that we do when we have a civil partnership. Heterosexual people get married. We can have civil partnerships.”
By 2012, John had evolved: “There is a world of difference between calling someone your ‘partner’ and calling them your ‘husband’. ‘Partner’ is a word that should be preserved for people you play tennis with, or work alongside in business. It doesn’t come close to describing the love that I have for David, and he for me. In contrast, ‘husband’ does.”
Say it like you mean it. The couple married in 2014.
Give up “Daniel?” Never.
8. Bette Midler 2003
She played the Continental Baths in the ’70s. She was roommates with Bruce Vilanch. She’s one of the bluest and gayest performers you’ll ever see on stage.
But the claws came out in 2003 when Midler, like Prince a few years later, talked publicly about gay marriage, with Larry King of all people, based on her own life experience. “Should gay people be allowed to marry? That’s a really good question.” Following was a candid conversation about civil rights, monogamy, commitment, promiscuity and human nature. The 60-something Midler wasn’t against gay marriage; she was wrapping her head around it, and sharing it with the world.
If you’d seen the interview, it all made sense. Enter Margaret Cho:
“Of course I didn’t see that shit, but supposedly Bette Midler said on Larry King that same sex marriage doesn’t look like it would work because gay men are so promiscuous that they would just be cheating on each other constantly. That is a fucked thing to say.” Cho flames on about some “shit” she didn’t see that Bette Midler “supposedly” said. Ridic.
Bette, you stay. Cho, you’re out.
9. Bob Hope 1988
It was 1988, Johnny Carson’s Tonight Show, and Hope, the octogenarian comedy legend and record-setting Oscar host, called someone a “fag” for wearing a colorful tie.
Enter GLAAD, formed just 4 years earlier, who pressured Hope into recording a PSA to atone, a model for the organization right up to today. Also, he paid for it.
Thanks, for the memory, Bob. You were a class act, fags notwithstanding.
Times change, and people do, too.
onthemark
Well, thanks for FINALLY bringing it up, Queerty! Was starting to think we’d imagined that whole incident.
Nobody was ever saying we should “throw the diminutive baby out with the bathwater” etc. – nice strawman argument there – but his overtly religious statement was puzzling.
“‘But neither of them is right.’ This is an intelligent conversation looking at both sides of an issue. Respect.” Really? It was never clear what exactly he meant by “neither of them is right.” He never explained it. This was at least as bad as some things on your list. Most of which were actually apologized for, however sincerely or insincerely. And a few of which are extremely minor.
(You left out Vince Vaughn’s “electric cars are gay,” btw. LOL.)
Bob LaBlah
I wish you had rethought adding ol’ tired ass Jay Leno to the group but that was your decision. Let that right-wing leaning bastard STAY out of mind and out if sight, please.
Roan
Prince was a Jehovah’s Witness. His music was great, but his personal politics and beliefs were ignorant.
AxelDC
Prince was a homophobic JW. He regularly proselytized for JWs, pushing their homophobic agenda. He was raised 7th Day Adventist, who are also homophobe.
You can polish that turd all you want, but he still smells like a bigot.
Patsy Stoned 75
A black guy, a rapist & a homophobe walk into a bar.
The bartender says, Hi Kobe.
cmoor78
Everytime I read these articles on this site, I am reminded that being gay or commenting on these issues doesn’t imply enlightenment or the ability to reason. This article demonstrates that. Yes, he was a homophobe. Stop trying to polish it up. He wrote some amazing songs which I love. But he was a homophobe much in the same way this and many other articles this writer has written is overwrought and fallacious in logic.
dean089
If you insist that you can’t enjoy or appreciate an entertainer’s performance without that person passing a complex litmus test, that’s your business. However, be careful what you wish for: you might find that nobody meets those standards and you end up having to listen to yourself hum. I don’t need to like someone as a person to appreciate their talent. If they are actively working to further bigotry that’s a different story, but otherwise you might end up becoming the very thing you claim to hate.
I’ve been saying for years that this whole “icon” thing is nonsense. I’ll add to that in that it’s non-productive and even damaging. Be the best you that you can be. Don’t waste time putting someone on a pedestal. Period.
Stache
How come my comment was taken out Queerty? I just said the same thing as Dean.
Stache
I guess the “male observer” didn’t like my observation.
He BGB
The deciding factor is, democrats want gays to do anything. That’s what he meant by neither is right because we gay people shouldn’t be able to go wild and so anything we want. But what did he mean by that? What is “do whatever you want”? Freedom doesn’t mean you can do anything you want. I think most religions don’t like gays, abortion and birth control because there is power in numbers and those things limit it from happening so they put words in Jesus mouth that he never said and interpret old 5000 year text in languages that can’t be translated perfectly to prove their point. What gets me is that most evangelicals are now zeroing in on gays like the straight Christians are perfect and without sin. Gay people can be Christian too so why carp on them all the time. Fear and ignorance.
joeyty
Prince was a homophobe. Why does Queerty always try to change facts into fiction?
Realitycheck
I am never been convinced Prince was straight, I don’t care how many times he got married or who he did, a straight man doesn’t behave like that, at the very least he was bi.
seamus_feeny
When Bob Hope was assigned an African American caddy at a golf tournament, he expressed discomfort and asked for a change. That was 1989. Still a “class act?”
DuMaurier
He was a Jehovah’s Witness. Everyone who knows anything about the sect knows what that means. It’s not like being a Catholic, millions of whom disagree with just about everything the hierarchy says and still consider themselves part of the faith. With Witnesses, you’re either “in” and on board or you’re not.
So with that, decide for yourselves whether or not you want to throw him out with the bath water, or whether you can accept discordant realities (his beliefs and his art) and live with them. I can.
joeyty
@seamus_feeny: Maybe he feared using the black caddy would have looked too r@cist ?
onthemark
@DuMaurier: Yeah, maybe that’s about right. For one thing, Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t allowed to vote. (I mean, their own church says they can’t vote. It’s not like it’s a law or anything that they can’t vote. Ha ha.) So that limits any POLITICAL problems they might otherwise create with their wacky beliefs.
So it seems more like a mystery of: what did those homophobic beliefs mean to HIM at a personal (i.e. self-hating?) level, assuming he was not exactly totally heterosexual, which seems a safe assumption.
Baba Booey Fafa Fooey
Prince was a homophobe? I didn’t know this. That’s dissapointing. Well, I won’t listen to his music anymore.
QJ201
Prince was saying homophobic sh*t as far back as the 80s (when I was I twink) which is why I never paid him any mind.
rickhfx
Bette Midler said on Larry King
See for yourself bette midles talks about gay marraige on larry king
Not cool bette
rickhfx
She does not support gay marriage !
ScottOnEarth
Who gives a shit what Prince thought about any social issues? He made music and was 3 feet tall. His opinions about anything meant nothing to me and still don’t.
Chevelter
I was never a fan of the artist formerly known as alive.
rickhfx
@rickhfx:
Do a youtube search for bette on larry king about gay marriage.
Doughosier
@seamus_feeny: what’s your source on this? I’ve never heard anything like this about Bob Hope before. I don’t believe it.
GayEGO
Perhaps that is why Prince is not with us, he joined the Jehovah Witness Church, why I don’t know, was brainwashed by the church such that he could not deal with himself, and he ended his life with drugs. But marriage is a word and has been used in phrases such as “the marriage of two businesses”, “the marriage of two churches”, “the marriage of two universities”, etc. A lot of people do not bother to get married. But for those who do want to get married, gender should not be an issue. People are learning to accept the term marriage as my partner of 54 years and I did in 2004 when Massachusetts made LGBT marriage legal, so we got married. Now, Marriage Equality is the law of the land and those who are refusing to accept it are the religious right wingers.
Ogre Magi
Why in the heck is queerty defending this bible thumping homophobe/
Yeah, he could sing well….so can a canary
Captain Obvious
All these silly comments whining about a dead man being a homophobe. Who the hell cares? He died. Move on. If you don’t want to listen to his music then don’t. He was a musical genius, you don’t need to agree with HIS opinions. He’s was entitled to his own opinion just like everyone else.
DarkZephyr
@Captain Obvious: The author of this piece is the one who brought the topic up and so people are responding to it with their opinions. And people with their own opinions about his religious bigotry are entitled to express them just as Prince sometimes expressed his opinions and views, including his views about same sex marriage. I don’t see why you have a problem with that. If you don’t like these opinions, you don’t have to read them just like other folks don’t have to listen to his music. Wouldn’t you agree?
DarkZephyr
Frankly, I was quite content to just ignore the whole controversy over his views on same sex marriage and move on with life, but this article brings it up and in a way that is extremely annoying to me. Please don’t tell me that Prince had “respect” for us. He didn’t. And as Captain Obvious pointed out, now he’s dead and I intend to move on. But if the subject is shoved in my face like this, I won’t pretend that he had any sort of respect for me that he didn’t actually have. That’s all I have to say.
Franklin
Still a Prince fan. Have always respect his talent and music. I respect that he made it a little bit better little black boys to be different. Regardless of what the court of Queerty things, I’ll still have Prince in my playlist.
damon459
You’re free to rationalize it all you want, but prince was a homophobic asshole, and I personally won’t miss him or his crappy (my opinion) music…
joeyty
@Captain Obvious: I guess you haven’t been around Queerty or the gay ghetto very long. NOBODY is permitted his own opinions. You have to follow groupthink or you’re out.
KerryB
I couldn’t help but feel a little sympathy for Prince(ss). Can you imagine the disappointment he must have felt when he found out the name ‘QUEEN’ was already taken.
davidjohng
I wasn’t a big Prince fan and I didn’t know he was a JW. Reminds me of Michael Jackson. Kinda sad because both were artsy, androgynous, most likely gay or bi or at least identified in some way with LGBT community. But you find out privately they’re part of some homophobic organization. There’s a lot of pressure on black males in the black community to be masculine and the JWs are well represented there as well. I wonder if this made it especially difficult for these two to accept and really love themselves?
On one level this is ridiculous because Prince was pretty flamboyant yet there was this hetero stud image he always portrayed. It would be sad to know that wasn’t REALLY him and the whole person he could never let be known, even to himself.
Captain Obvious
@DarkZephyr: Dredging up one vague comment makes him the biggest homophobe on the planet? He did more good for the world than the people whining in the comment section about him. They’re acting like he was Hitler. He did nothing to any of us.
joeyty
@davidjohng: “On one level this is ridiculous because Prince was pretty flamboyant yet there was this hetero stud image he always portrayed.” He’d originally wanted his singer-underling Vanity to be named Vagina!
joeyty
@Captain Obvious: To be fair, his homophobia was much more extensive than his making one comment. There were other incidents and statements.
Zekester
@Captain Obvious: Shall we come to you from now on to decide what is and isn’t worthy of our concern?
And stop with the argumentum absurdum fallacy. No one claimed that he was the biggest homophobe on the planet and NO ONE is acting like he was Hitler. But congratulations on winning the Godwin’s Law Award for the day.
Zekester
@He BGB: You have no idea if he meant what you just made up. You’re retelling of what he said doesn’t at all match what he said. He didn’t say that Democrats want gays to do “anything” (referring to immoral or unethical things). He was speaking specifically about Democrats supporting gays getting married. And NO, Democrats don’t, and never have, wanted “gays to do “anything””. Democrats have never proposed that gay people, or anyone else, to be allowed to “go wild” or do anything unethical or unlawful or immoral.
seamus_feeny
@Doughosier: I rechecked my source on my Bob Hope comment only to discover that it was a third-hand anecdote, never verified. I’m not claiming that whoever originally said it (it was someone who had worked at a golf course he frequented) is not telling the truth, but I regret posting it now, and I apologize.
Soldier_Medic
Umm….. I’m sorry/not sorry. I just have to state what no one else is. Why the hell would I listen to Prince question the roles of sexuality when his sexuality has been questioned for years? Come on man! androgynous my ass.
In certain circles of certain cultures, he was always referred to as princess.
When asked by a lot of girls would you hook up with prince,the response is usually priceless, ending up with “doesn’t he play for the same team?”
It’s like Wendy Williams ‘THIS WEEK’ talking about his girlfriends,2 ex-wives. 3 weeks ago she too, was poking fun of his picture with his wearing eyeliner, saying I’m not saying prince’s sexuality is fluid, but others are saying that.”
Daniel-Reader
And we care about any of the people listed, why? Also, whoever wrote the article is massively self loathing or just plain homophobic and/or delusional about the word respect.
Chris
I’m about ready to go all Xian on this topic: “Hate the sin; love the sinner.”
Hate his homophobia; love his music. See, easy!
Brian
A lot of gay men live in a fantasy world of make-believe. This is one of the reasons why they go for performers like Britney Spears. She was known to lip-synch on stage and yet gay guys could imagine themselves as drag queens lip-synching to songs much like Britney.
It doesn’t matter that Britney appears to treat gay guys like assistants or servants. Nor does it matter that she has never really embraced male homosexual erotica in her stage act or anything like that. Gay guys simply love the fact that they can be like her, miming on a stage and pretending to be something they aren’t. Trans-gays are particularly like this.
There is a dysfunctional – and ultimately self hating – component to many gay men (especially the trans-gays) which is reflected in their tastes in music and performers.
joeyty
@seamus_feeny: scumbag
joeyty
@Chris: Gays are never Xian about that subject.
OzJosh
Frankly, who cares if Prince was iffy about equal marriage or flat-out homophobic. He was a talented songwriter and performer; he was not a great intellectual, and nobody needs to live their lives according to anything he ever said. The same goes for everybody else on this list.
Guy068
If someone’s sole defense of Prince is there are people as bad or worse, it’s not much of a defense, is it? Maybe the writer should just accept you can be a genius musically and a huge honking asshole…
Johnathan
Sorry but I think Prince was a big OL closet case, like most religious African American men. And how dare you say throw out MARGRET CHO! And keep MS. Wishy Washy Bette Milder! I don’t think so… PPPLEASE !
Wooly
Oh the endless, He said, she said; how absurd. Gays have to be the most delicate things on the planet. BTW, didn’t Prince have Wendy and Lisa in his band? Weren’t they lesbians? Mat does make some sense; Mage is mage and Cho definitely has to go. Hope is dead already and I couldn’t give a toss about the others.
KiDAciDic
Kobe Bryant?! Matt Damon?! Paris Hilton!? Even Brittany Spears; I mean when did any of those people ever present a complex counter culture sexuality that would even be presumed as lgbt sympathizing? Your examples are incredibly stupid and yes, Prince should be called out on his BS. No one is perfect but that doesnt mean all conversation and question as to why his ideas about whether lgbt people should have equal rights INCLUDING MARRIAGE shouldnt be confronted. Stating that “neither side is right” isnt intelligent its just incredibly apathetic verbal dodging. Considering so many older, less sexually liberal musica artists have been able to support marriage equality and not talk in asinine mysticism I’d say Prince just didnt want a meaningful association with LGBT issues. He was a genius, but lets not pretend he was without any biases or apprehensions.
Ridpathos
I don’t know if he was a homophobe or not, but his music is horrible.
Xzamilio
I’m loving the comments… it just warms my heart to see an asshole getting his just desserts.
jjose712
@Wooly: No way, Matt didn’t make any sense. Maybe if he were a newcomer and we don’t know nothing about his private life it could be acceptable, but everybody knows about his private life, so he completely sounds like an hypocrite because it’s pretty obvious that he doesn’t use his own advice.
No matter how much you know about an actor, if he is good enough once the movie starts you see the character and not the person. Of course there are people who are totally biased and can’t separate actor from character, but that’s a personal problem (and those people generally only have that problem with gay actors)
Sluggo2007
Prince was as gay as it gets. As much as he tried to hide it, any gay person could see right through it. I was never a fan. I couldn’t stand his arrogance and his hypocrisy.
Brian
@Sluggo2007: What do you mean by the word “gay”? Perhaps you are projecting your own insecurities onto Prince?
Snickerbar Brown
No matter what was said or done I will enjoy playing my Prince CD collection. Now if some of you want to hate his guts, fine, just be glad I am not your neighbor
Snickerbar Brown
WOW…the fiery hate is REAL with some of these folks!
Sluggo2007
@Brian: Google it, Brian. By the way you’re as stupid as it gets. Did I hurt your feelings? I’m so sorry . . . NOT!!!!
JerseyMike
homophobia/racism are the same thing to me. A large portion of the people on this message board have hate for people who don’t look like them are the first ones talking about homophobia.. Give me a break.
joeyty
@JerseyMike: Prince might have been a homophobe, but I never heard a single thing about him being r@cist or having a problem with white people directly (unless you count music execs, but I doubt that was because they were white).
JerseyMike
@joeyty: Wasn’t saying Prince was a r@cist. I’m saying people on here love to call people a homophobe while being r@cist as hell to people who don’t look like them.
Chris
@joeyty: I was hoping no one would notice… 🙂
Prince was a deeply flawed homophobic human-being who was, IMHO, an artistic genius. “When doves cry” is one of my all time favs. That its author and singer was a homophobe does not detract from my appreciation of it.
SonOfKings
Can we just all agree to stop taking entertainment celebrities seriously as social and political commentators. They can dance and sing, etc., but are usually not the deepest of thinkers.
BKFREEDOM
@JerseyMike: Bingo! I’d go a step further to say we ALL have f*cked up views about something. Until, we’re able to admit that, we’ll stay confined to finger pointing and passing the buck. For me personally, I’ve experienced more uncomfortable situations in the gay community than I have in any other particular ethnic group.
nmharleyrider
@dean089: That is so true. Richard Wagner was a total anti-semite and his works were not allowed to be played in Israel for many years. Puccini’s Madama Butterfly was not performed in this country during the war because is was set in Japan although performed and written by PUccini, all Italians. You have to separate the man from his politics and honor him for his immense talents and skills. Should straight people shun Elton John’s music because he is gay? I think not and we gay people would be upset if they did. It works both ways.
joeyty
@nmharleyrider: Or (ugh) look at what Cat Stevens has become. I still like his earlier stuff, though, (and that which was used in “Harold & Maude.”)
joeyty
@JerseyMike: Not every straight black dude hates both whites and gays, I’m hoping..
joeyty
@Chris: I personally think Prince’s earlier stuff was best, though (from “Controversy” up to “1999”, but that’s just me..)