“He was his usual cheerful, chattering self.”
That’s what Ryan Reyes (pictured) remembers when he dropped his boyfriend Daniel Kaufman off at work on Wednesday, around 7 a.m. All through the morning, they traded texts and photos.
42-year-old Kaufman ran the coffee-shop in building 3 at the Inland Regional Center, training the developmentally disabled clients who worked there.
The last message Reyes received was at 10:37 a.m., and it was a picture of a friend he’d met at a comic book conference.
An hour later, Reyes got a text from his sister: “Hey Ry does Daniel work at the Regional Center in Sb? Check the news.”
He called Kaufman repeatedly, but he kept being sent to voicemail.
“Call me ASAP!” he texted.
No response.
Hours passed as slowly as possible. It was the worst kind of torture.
Conflicting reports about his boyfriend’s fate kept surfacing.
Finally, he learned the awful truth.
Kaufman was among 14 people murdered on Wednesday at the regional center.
Or perhaps not.
Hours later, around 4 p.m., Reyes’ cousin posted on Facebook that Kaufman was alive.
He’d been wounded. Shot in the arm. But alive.
That’s the word he heard right from his girlfriend, one of Kaufman’s disabled clients.
Officials at the community center had a similar story.
Kaufman was in surgery, and totally safe.
No one knew which hospital.
There were more phone calls. Visits to six hospitals.
None of them had him.
At the community center where survivors congregated, buses arrived all night, issuing shell-shocked survivors into the gym.
Kaufman wasn’t among them.
He wasn’t there and there were no more buses coming.
Reyes’ aunt, Wanda Clemmons, says, “We were the last family there.”
Oficers told Reyes that the bodies of the dead were still at the crime scene. They would need a physical description of the man.
He was a little under 6′.
Roughly 195 pounds.
Reyes remembered he was in black dress shoes. Square toes. Khaki pants. Black polo shirt. The coffeeshop’s uniform.
No, no tattoos. But lots of rings, necklaces.
Both ears were pierced. That was something. Rainbow bars for gay pride on either side.
Reyes swallowed sleeping pills — four — and finally, somehow, fell asleep well after midnight.
He fell asleep in the worst kind of uncertainty.
The two men shared a love of horror films. They’d been together for almost three years.
Kaufman was masterful at engaging in conversation, meeting people. Even holding up the check-out line at the grocery store.
He never got a driver’s license. Why would he? That would mean giving up the daily rides to and from work with Reyes.
After his parents died, Kaufman was adopted by his aunt and uncle. He lived in Pasadena for most of his childhood, but moved to Rialto during high school.
For the last five years, he’d worked at the social serves center.
Reyes waited for news the next morning at his house in Rialto.
“I don’t know if I want to scream, cry or break a window,” he said. “I’m trying to cling to hope.”
Then at 10:30 Thursday morning, the cellphone rang.
It was the aunt who’d adopted Kaufman.
He was dead.
alphacentauri
My condolences to his partners’ family, and this man.
When is queerty going to start writing articles that tell the truth about how ISiS and even so called Moderate Muslims from many countries want bisexual and gay men dead?
I am sure that IsIS and other muslim groups are happy that a gay man is dead in this sick massacare/act of T3rr-r1$m.
o.codone
^ agreed. Sorry that the man is dead.
Gay men have to think about abandoning their liberal democrat leaders for failing to tackle the hard work of defeating ISIS, marginalizing Muslim haters, and having a responsible immigration policy which prevents those haters from showing up at your gay pride parade next June. Keep it real ladies, the Muslims, even the nice ones, hate you because you are gay. Hillary wants to bring in 65,000 of these haters. Even if 1% of her friends are haters or radicalized, that’s 650 guys who will stab you in the gut.
Gay men have been liberal fanatics for years. Hillary, Hillary, Hillary!!! Seriously? Protect yourselves gentlemen, get a gun and learn how to use it, vote for politicians who will not leave you bleeding in the gutter, watch your back on the street because radicals are watching you, stop believing that America is immune to hideous terror attacks and that you are safe being gay. The evidence is clear The bad guys are here. Accept responsibility for making this happen because YOU voted for the liberals who brought them here. Don’t be afraid to be brave, be different, the good gay life is over. Liberals and their Muslim friends have taken a sh it all over your gay universe.
dpk199625
Amen B@o.codone: Amen to that Brotha’ Props
Luis H. Lopez
Religious fanatics kill gays we need to arm ourselves for self defense !
Hussain-TheCanadian
Let the Muslim bashing begin!!!!
Wait a second let me get a bowl of popcorn before the bigots descend on this thread.
This should be an interesting read.
alphacentauri
@Hussain-TheCanadian: Nobody is bashing muslims. Everything posted about ISiS and moderate muslims and how they hate gay and bisexual men, is true.
o.codone
@Hussain-TheCanadian: I’m sure that you’re humiliated that your haji brothers are ruining the good name of Islam. Or maybe not.
moldisdelicious
damn…. rest in peace to his man. horrible.
instead of taking the time to hate else, just take this story as a lesson and tell whoever you truly love and care about how much you love and care about them because you never know if they will be there tomorrow. don’t wait til they are dead and gone before you tell them how much you love them.
Xzamilio
@Hussain-TheCanadian: Oh… it’s nothing personal. It’s just that the abrahamic religions are horribly oppressive and is intrinsically divisive and shaped and spread through bloodshed throughout the centuries… they’re all terrible. It’s that in the current world. Islam is a little more terrible, especially when you look at how many radical groups have emerged from this religion and are willing to murder the world all in the name of their interpretation of the god of Abraham.
The best thing I heard said about ISIS and other extremist sects of Islam was that we are dealing with a 4th century ideology with access to 21st century weapons.
AWG3126
I am so sorry to hear of your loss. It is a horrible way to have to lose the love of your life. Please accept my condolences. May the Lord watch over you, and provide you with the support you need to get over this tragic loss. God bless.
Desert Boy
I am wiping tears from my eyes as I read this story.
San Bernardino is 45 minutes from here. The loss of human life in this region of California is staggering. Meanwhile, we have a president who is still pushing the ‘workplace violence’ meme so he can avoid calling it what is: ISLAMIC TERRORISM.
Sharia Islam/ISIS hates gays. Gay men are routinely slaughtered, set on fire, stoned to death and pushed off buildings to their deaths. But we don’t need to travel to Raqqa, Syria or Mosul, Iraq to be victims of radical Islam. It’s right here in Southern California.
Joe Bump
God bless and comfort those of your loved ones and may you rest in eternal peaceð???ð???ð???… It’s not goodbye it’s until we meet againð???
Hussain-TheCanadian
@alphacentauri: You just contradicted yourself in that one sentence alone.
@o.codone: You made laugh there with the “jihadi brothers” bit – Is that supposed to be a retort?
@Xzamilio: You can say whatever it is you like about Muslims, its your opinion and im cool with it.
But when you start talking about Islam, meaning the Qur’an, and begin to attribute things to it that isn’t there, it does become very personal actually.
Muslims are people, there are good and the bad, just like every other human being on the planet; however when you being to say “Islam is a little bit more terrible”, you begin to sound a whole lot like Sam Harris, and it inst very impressive.
There is only one extreme sect of Islam, and that is Salafism/Wahabism – I would read up on that my friend.
aliengod
@o.codone: Absolutely right! Marriage equality is a done deal. Let’s move on to more important things. So far, not a single Democrat has the balls to call this by its name, Islamist extremism. Until they’re willing to identify the enemy, they’re useless at protecting us from it.
That being said, my sincere condolences to Ryan Reyes. I can’t imagine the heartache you must be feeling.
AWG3126
@o.codone: I sincerely hope you are not advocating that we (gay men/Lesbians) vote for the Republican party. While they are for guns, gun rights, and are ready to go to war at the drop of a hat (or for a chance at another drop of oil i.e. Iraq war, they are NOT for the rights of the LGBT community. The Republicans ARE FOR, cutting taxes so the rich get rich, giving tax breaks TO the RICH and corporations, gutting gay rights, and on and on. Oh yes, speaking of the ladies, they want to take away YOUR RIGHTS to make a decision on birth control, and not allow you to have an abortion in a LEGALLY OPERATED CLINIC. They prefer they resort to back alleys, and the use of coat hangers.
Oh yes, less I forget, they want the poor to continue to use the emergency rooms, as they want to repeal ACA (Obamacare) That way, those individuals who can afford insurance will pay for their ER visits through YOUR rates for insurance. That is IF you can get insurance. Remember the “good old Republican days” had the old “preexisting condition clause”, which meant NO insurance if you had an illness.
Are you sure your a gay man?? You sound like a person who has been brain washed by the Repugnat party!!
Xzamilio
@Hussain-TheCanadian: What does the Hadith say about homosexuals? Does the Hadith not apply? By “sect” I meant the radical groups emerging… Hezbollah, ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Al-Shabaab, Hamas… I can keep going. On paper, Judaism is much worse than all of the abrahamic faiths, but they aren’t killing on the same grand scale as some of the followers of Islam. Islam is more terrible at this point in time… that’s just the truth. No doubt in my mind that most Muslims are peaceful… as most humans are. But, the religious text you all cherry pick? It is not… and no amount of red herring “not all Muslims” bullshit you say will change that. How is homosexuality viewed with Moderate Muslims? Sorry, but I shit on all religions equally, and yours doesn’t get a pass, no matter how many pussified liberals skirt the topic.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Xzamilio: The Hadith is give and take, it is not the Qur’an, and it’s not viewed as such. Also there is not a single strong Hadith attributed to the Prophet talks about homosexuality, most of them come from his companions.
There groups are all Salafi groups, minus Hezbollah which is shia, who doesn’t have a history of killing/murdering gay men or woman.
As for the text, I don’t cherry pick the Qur’an at all – there is not a single verse that talks about murdering gay men or woman, not a single one.
Also, there is no such thing as “moderate” Muslims in Islamic language; there are only Muslims – they are a spectrum going from Liberal to extreme, running along the way into conservative. Who knows what all Muslims believe, there is 1.6 billion of them, I don’t believe in “polls”.
You can shit on any religion you want, personally it doesn’t take away from mine or anyone else’s – all im saying that I know the Qur’an very well and I won’t be silent when people start saying stuff about it that isn’t there.
Glücklich
@moldisdelicious:
Yep. Had the same reaction to that guy-falling-off-the-cruise-ship story: hold your spouse/partner a little closer tonight.
martinbakman
@alphacentauri: Daniel Kaufmann has been discussed all day long on our news here. He sounds like someone whose heart was always in the right place.
I live in So Cali. Even the educated, professional Muslim immigrants here want the rainbow flag to disappear. We are a low form of life to them. Being a gay man in their families and communities is an extreme hardship.
enlightenone
@alphacentauri: “…When is queerty going to start writing articles that tell the truth about how ISiS and even so called Moderate Muslims from many countries want bisexual and gay men dead?”
When they stop writing about sex workers we don’t or shouldn’t know about!
Ridpathos
Just because ISIS isn’t a friend does it mean that there is any way in hell the repugs are our friends. The only party that ever supported gay rights (even if it was late) have been the Democrats.
Xzamilio
@Hussain-TheCanadian: I’m tired of this. I’m tired of the thousands upon thousands of different interpretations of the same old musty ass books, the same apologetics and cherry picking… so the Quran does not talk of homosexuality? It does not reference Lot and why Sodom was destroyed? It doesn’t? The Hadith is give or take? ISIS sure as hell doesn’t think so… they throw homosexuals from high building because of the punishment laid out for homosexuals in the Hadith. Homosexuality is acceptable in most Muslim societies? I’m tired of this… it’s the same bullshit I see LGBT Christians trying to do by ignoring the blatantly negative tone of homosexuality in both doctrines and attempting to reshape this new view that I could ask two other Muslims about and they would look at me with bewilderment. The same “Jesus never mentions homosexuality once” crap I hear while for some reason thinking that there is this message of acceptance to gays. How are gays treated in the Middle East? How are lesbians treated in the Middle East? Transgender individuals? The only Muslim countries that possess and air of tolerance only do so as long as it is kept secret.
So please, explain to my ignorant ass the beauty of Islam.
Xzamilio
Oh, wait… you’re gonna tell me ISIS isn’t true Islam… correct?
o.codone
@AWG3126: How about you stop trying to change the subject. Idiot, we’re talking about gay-hating Muslims coming after ur pussy ass. Pay attention.
Rodney Hom
Very very sad.
Yiannis
@Xzamilio:
That’s a very good reply!
AndYouWillDeal
@Hussain-TheCanadian: Actually yes, I’ll bash Muslims as much as I want, I have the constitutional right to voice my opinion about that disgusting ideology. And why are you in a website for LGBT people if you are a “good Muslim”? Those two are like water and oil.
BigG
Religion in any form is a psychotic, horrible thing that is the cause of the majority of our worlds problems. More people have been killed in the name of their “God” than anything. This world needs to do away with it. Yes even your fluffy jesus in the clouds. Everybody wants to cherry-pick and say oh I don’t believe that with my religion, but all your books and Bibles all say to murder and kill and enslave people who don’t agree with your god. Disgusting.
alphacentauri
@Hussain-TheCanadian: GTFO. Your whole religion is based on the foundation of killing kafir (infidels) in barbaric ways. How many bomb plots and terrorist acts have been stopped by a muslim calling the police on another muslim? None. And let’s talk about how CAIR is a known affiliate of terrorists…
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
Franklin
@Hussain-TheCanadian: People never learn. It’s like clockwork. Every decade or two people find a new group to hate in this country. I feel sorry for Muslim people in America that are just trying to live their lives. Things are going to get a lot worse for them before they get better.
Alan David Smith
my condolances to the families. be strong
trell
@BigG: My thoughts exactly!
A beautifully written article, and a terrible and tragic story. Thoughts are with the families & friends of all affected by this.
Captain Obvious
@Xzamilio: Are you going for some sort of Uncle Tom award? You are aware your skin is darker than a paper bag right? You keep bashing brown people nonstop on this site despite the fact that you’re a nigra too, idiot. First blacks and now all Muslims.
You’re not going to get a white sausage in your mouth no matter how much you bash brown people. Keep trying though, clown.
Alistair Wiseman
@o.codone:
Not to fear! President Obama has repeatedly told the American people he is working on the real threat to the world – global warming!
Alistair Wiseman
@Franklin:
So you “feel sorry for Muslim people in America that are just trying to live their lives”?
Like Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik? The mass-murdering California couple who dropped off their 6 month old baby at grandma’s house to murder 14 innocent people? Are those the ones?
How dare Americans question those who want to kill them. What bigots!
Alistair Wiseman
@Hussain-TheCanadian:
I see it didn’t take long for Hussain-TheCanadian, aka Queerty’s Unofficial Muslim Apologist, to feign a grievance. After all, isn’t that what Muslims and the Arab World are known for? Grievances? (Isn’t free speech great, Hussain?)
You stated, “There is only one extreme sect of Islam, and that is Salafism/Wahabism – I would read upon that my friend.” You have repeated this several times before in other posts. Obviously, as a Muslim it means something to you. However, on a macro level, in America, it is a distinction without a difference.
Let me ask you. Say radical Christian extremists are terrorizing, bombing and murdering innocent non-Christian people in Albania. These crazed Christians are murdering innocent people in the name of Christ. Do you think the people of Albania would be preoccupied that these crazed Christians were just Episcopalians?
A distinction without a difference. You have a major problem in Islam, stop trying to excuse and rationalize the terror, the bombing, the maiming, the murdering.
1EqualityUSA
Republicans and Democrats will not be on the mind of Ryan Reyes. His spouse was killed and his home is empty.
If a fruit fly were found on Mars, it would make the headlines, life is so revered. Humans, all humans, take away whole universes when they kill one another. A few Christian pastors speak of killing gays as though we were a rat infestation and, yet, a fruit fly would be the talk of the town, were it to be found on Mars.
1EqualityUSA
Alistair says, “Isn’t free speech great” all the while trying to shame Hussain-TheCanadian into shutting up, by calling him an official apologist and all. Class act.
Alistair Wiseman
@1EqualityUSA:
Reading comprehension, it’s for Democrats too. Try it!
joseph
OH! HOW SAD! My Heart Breaks for his LOSS!! How utterly “SENSLESS”…….PEACE&LOVE to “RYAN”
Yvonne Anderson-Smythe
Dear Ryan: I watched your interview on CNN,and how you have touched my heart. My deepest condolences to you and Daniel’s family. My dear you hold onto your Daniel’s love, for that bond will never change for you. You shared something very special,and nothing not even the acts of the damned can ever take that love..it will live always. Daniel will be remembered, while they are forgotten. In the coming days, I will send you love, take all that love being sent your way and wrap yourself within it… I pray God will gentle your sorrow. Take care, sweetheart.
BJ McFrisky
To all of you Islam apologists . . . you owe Ryan Reyes an apology for defending the barbarians who killed Daniel Kaufman and 13 other innocents.
@Alistair Wiseman: Wait-wait-wait . . . you mean to tell me that terrorism ISN’T responsible for the planet’s temps going up a degree or two? Or that rising temps aren’t responsible for terrorism? Seems you have a lot to learn about lockstep liberalism blaming Hetero B. Whitey for everything. (sarc+)
alphacentauri
@Captain Obvious: You do know that being Muslim is not a ‘race’ and that the majority of people who practice Islam are not black or “brown” and most people who practice Islam are Caucasian, and Semitic/Arabic.
Bob LaBlah
I am so sorry to read about this poor guys loss. In defense of the first responders it is their responsibility to save lives first, sort out the names and such later. It is unfortunate but a harsh reality. People first, to hell with wallets and purses strewn all about the place. That comes later. We are ALL going to have to be schooled in regards to the confusion and trauma that comes with mass shootings. It has now become so routine that last evenings news cast carried all of two minutes to the shooting of only a few days ago.
It seems ironic that I moved from an obviously terrorist targeted city (NYC, a place where it is nearly impossible to buy a gun legally) to back home to the midwest only to watch the locals here in the midwest get armed to the TEETH about events that happened nearly 1500 miles away over on the left coast, California.
There is a back order on assault weapons in twelve counties. If you want one you had best pay for the damn thing when you go into the store the first time and wait for the next shipment because if you don’t you are only going to fall further down on the waiting list. What bothers me is the fact that this shooting has proven that they are going to go after soft targets, which is just about every where (shopping malls, small town shopping strips and, as what happened in Russia, a grade school. This is getting worrisome. I bet the midwest is targeted next. I am starting to wonder if just maybe “some” of the things the talk show host are saying might not be as off the mark as I once thought.
Franklin
@Alistair Wiseman: I said Muslims trying to lives their lives. I would think it should be obvious I’m not taking about people like those in San Bernardino that murder, but hey, trolls gotta troll.
Xzamilio
@alphacentauri: No, he doesn’t know that because like most of the simps on liberal side, he resorts to name calling and crying like a bitch. I’m glad you replied, because I’ll never directly address that dude again.
Xzamilio
Islam is not a race, kids. Shitting on a religion isn’t shitting on a race… and despite my obsessed stalker loves to say, my posts have been even handed all across the board.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Xzamilio: You’re replying to me with emotions, not with logic – your comparisons are way off and illogical – I’m sorry im not trying to belittle you you, but you are conflating a lot of issues.
If you read carefully what I wrote above, I did not say that the Qur’an doesn’t talk about “homosexuality”, I said it doesn’t talk about punishment; there isn’t a single verse that says: “Kill, flog, maim” homosexual men and woman.
As for what actually is written, it talks specifically about the people of Lot, and it talks about their crimes – what are their crimes is matter of dispute and interpretation depends on the School of thought in power.
That’s why Muslim majority nations don’t have a uniform way of dealing with homosexuality.
Also you’re using the practices of murderous militia/cult called Daesh; they don’t only kill homosexuals, they kill anyone who doesn’t side with them. To say Daesh represents Islam is precisely what they want the Western world to say, to create “us vs them)
I would agree with you that homosexuals are not recognized, let alone treated well in the Arab world. That is what I’m trying to change, and it cannot be changed without understanding the sources many of these bigots use to oppress homosexuals.
Also you seem to think Arab society is free, it is not – they are lorded over by dictators, “Royal Monarchs” and Military Juntas that oppress everyone. Society doesn’t have the opportunity to have an open and honest discussion if modern homosexuality and the people of Lot are one and the same.
Like I said, you are throwing out a list of memorized attacks without understanding what it is you’re talking about. I want you to produce a list issued by the UN human right commission, or even any of the known international human rights groups showing that Muslim societies are murdering gay men and woman left and right – where is the evidence?
To tell me Daesh, Al-Qaeda or Boko Haram have murdered gay people and that indicates that Muslims in general are no different is not only factually incorrect, its ridiculous.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Xzamilio: Your questions is intellectually weak; to ask if a belief system is “true” or not is like asking if so and so is “truly liberal” or “truly conservative” – That question is tentative on who you ask.
If you’re asking me if they are Muslims, then the obvious answer is yes they are Muslims – savage ones that they are – No Muslim on the planet represents Islam, only the Qur’an represents Islam.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@AndYouWillDeal: I don’t know if this is a serious question or if you’re just trolling me.
The reason why im on this website is obviously because im gay, and I enjoy being around my gay brothers and sisters sharing ideas, opinions, jokes and laughs.
Are you saying I don’t belong here because im Muslim?
Hussain-TheCanadian
@alphacentauri: A small dose of intellectual and factual honesty is in order; if your claim is true, then there shouldn’t be a single Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist or any other rival Muslim sect living among Muslims in their own societies.
All anyone has to do is look up any Muslim majority country and look at the social religious makeup to see if your claim is true.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Alistair Wiseman: I was wondering when you would show up Alastair – you’re analogy is questionable at best – there is a better analogy we all can relate to:
When the American Army invaded Iraq unjustly and opened the door of murder and mayhem, would it be right for all Arabs and Muslims to say: “The American army and the American people are one and the same? They are both responsible for the invasion, and there are no difference between them what so ever?”
Is that also a difference without a distinction?
Your logic is very interesting I must admit, you sound a lot like ISIS, or maybe the Christian version in the making.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@1EqualityUSA: Alastair thinks im an Immigrant, not realizing im Canadian born and am a Westerner just as bit as he is.
The difference is, I don’t use Western civilization to take away people’s freedoms and lives from them as he would do if he ever took power.
Yes speaking truth to power is amazing, that’s what free speech is all about – not using free speech to attack the powerless.
Rather than thinking how can a person buy four fire arms legally, 1400 bullets, armor piercing, bullet proof vests and able to use them in this barbaric manner – what kind of society and laws allows any civilian to buy all of this and keeps on screeching “2nd amendment rights”?
But no no, nothing to see here, just Muslims being crazy again.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@BJ McFrisky: What do mean by Muslim apologists? Who is apologizing for ISIS or Al-Qaida?
The people who should apologize is your thieving, whoring, antidemocratic politicians who allowed the gun ownership laws to be so lax that any murder can buy an arsenal and use it on his neighbors and community
Your politicians are bought by the NRA and the gun manufacturers, otherwise what kind of a civilized society allows any citizen to buy those kinds of weapons this disgusting murderer used?
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Franklin: You know what my biggest fear Franklin? That the American people allow fear to swallow their conscience, logic, and freedom, and give it up to the forces of fascism that exists quite plainly on the republican side, and not so clearly on the democratic one.
Don’t be afraid of the merchants of fear, fix the lax gun laws, make it harder for anyone to buy military grade weapons.
AWG3126
@Hussain-TheCanadian: You are absolutely correct about the fact we use the 2nd amendment far too often to purchase weapons that do not need to be in the hands of the ordinary American Citizen. I have no use for an AK47 type weapon, or thousands of rounds of ammunition to protect myself under current political conditions. The right to bear arms doesn’t mean you have the right to own, or the need to have, an arsenal at your disposal.
scotty
Religion of Peace my ass.
CWM85
Libs and queerty have to stop the political soft talk and be open and clear what this is. Radical Islamic extremist. These people don’t care about gay community or any communities. They just want to kill us. And queerty rightful goes after right wing Christian bigotry. Its time the editors of this site to treat Isis, Islamic extremist the same. These people can not be reason with, they hat glbt people, they aren’t our friends or allies. All.middle east countries have harsh penalties for homosexuality. They aren’t our friends, they want us prisoners and death!
Xzamilio
@Hussain-TheCanadian: The question is based on the no true scotsman fallacy that many a Muslim or Christian I’ve heard engages in when met with less than savory individuals in their faith… so it’s nice to see you have that much intellectual honesty.
“Also you’re using the practices of murderous militia/cult called Daesh; they don’t only kill homosexuals, they kill anyone who doesn’t side with them. To say Daesh represents Islam is precisely what they want the Western world to say, to create “us vs them)”
Well then it’s a good thing I didn’t say they represented Islam, isn’t it? It’s a common trope with my fellow lefties that want to say that ISIS does not represent true Islam…. 1. there is no “true” Islam or any religion (so we can agree on that front) and 2, it’s just another red herring tactic to divert attention away from being critical of an archaic ideology and just muddy the waters with cries of “bigot” and “Islamophobe.”
The rest of your wishy washy nonsense I just flat out dismiss because it’s more apologetics based on a god you can’t even prove exists and a Prophet that spread Islam through blood.
“To tell me Daesh, Al-Qaeda or Boko Haram have murdered gay people and that indicates that Muslims in general are no different is not only factually incorrect, its ridiculous.”
To tell you that is ridiculous… in fact, it’s so ridiculous, it’s nonexistent because I didn’t tell you that. “Muslims in general” are just like the Christians in general… they cherry pick the parts of their holy doctrine they like and live their lives with a modernized interpretation of their faith that allows them to have some kind of cognitive dissonance between secular values and their doctrinal values… in other words, I have no problem with modern Muslims because they don’t follow their shit to the letter, either. But, just because you don’t follow it doesn’t mean it isn’t there… it just means you’ve morally evolved beyond its barbarism. Precisely why you don’t look at the Hadith, the writings that DO prescribe punishments to gays.
Blackceo
This whole thing is so sad. My condolences to Ryan Reyes and his loss and to all the victims and their families. I have had to take a step back from the constant saturation of news coverage of this. The stories of the victims are just heartbreaking. One in particular is that of a woman who fled Iran and its radical Islamic ideology only to be killed by that very thing in California. Just absolutely senseless but I will not succumb to those trying to stir up the politics of fear. These people were terrorists just like Robert Dear who shot up Planned Parenthood and stirring it up by demonizing all Muslims is exactly the type of recruiting tool that Isis wants. Things like this always bring out the radical side of people’s politics, both Democrat and Republican and I want no parts of it.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Xzamilio:
“””The question is based on the no true scotsman fallacy that many a Muslim or Christian I’ve heard engages in when met with less than savory individuals in their faith… so it’s nice to see you have that much intellectual honesty.”””
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Thank you.
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“””Well then it’s a good thing I didn’t say they represented Islam, isn’t it? It’s a common trope with my fellow lefties that want to say that ISIS does not represent true Islam…. 1. there is no “true” Islam or any religion (so we can agree on that front) and 2, it’s just another red herring tactic to divert attention away from being critical of an archaic ideology and just muddy the waters with cries of “bigot” and “Islamophobe.”””
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I agree generally with that however you have to differentiate between Salafist ideology which indeed is archaic and quite scary, and between the Qur’an.
You can criticize the Qur’an as well, that is completely up to you, im not saying its off limits – all im saying is be careful of what you’re saying because if its false, and you simply want to talk out of ideology rather than facts, you are no different from the people you want to fight.
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“””The rest of your wishy washy nonsense I just flat out dismiss because it’s more apologetics based on a god you can’t even prove exists and a Prophet that spread Islam through blood.”””
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I disagree, that is your opinion on something you don’t much about.
Whether the Almighty exists or not is beyond the scope of this conversation.
As for the last paragraph you wrote, I generally have no problems with what you wrote, I understand what you’re saying, and I apologize if I attributed something to you that you did not say. Perhaps I read beyond what was written.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@AWG3126: It breaks my heart when I see so many Americans die needlessly like this – I’ve been to the US before, both North and South, most people were sweet – I don’t understand how can such a decent society allow themselves to be treated like this, to be robed and killed by decisions made on their behalf through those useless politicians.
We were taught the American constitution in High school, along with the Canadian charter of rights, and one thing that caught my attention about the 2nd amendment is the part: “To be part of a regulated Militia” – So the right to bare arms is also part dependent on being part of a regulated army/Militia.
It seems to me this part has been crossed out, and now its a free for all – I find that hard to understand how can this be allowed, politicians be damned – why are the people silent?
I cannot imagine anyone in my Province being allowed to buy all of this weaponry, its just crazy.
BJ McFrisky
@Hussain-TheCanadian: Seems SOMEbody woke up on the wrong side of the pit this morning.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@BJ McFrisky: Oh honey you don’t know the half of it; this bastard from work had me think he’s gay this whole time only to find out today that he’s straight – He liked the attention (rolls eyes).
Sansacro
Horrible story. But the f*%$king single-line proem style is really annoying and brings more attention to the author and text than the post should. Another failed MFA writing student putting his “craft” to use as an underpaid stringer.
Xzamilio
@Hussain-TheCanadian: Okay. Thank you for the exchange and take care.
Franklin
@Hussain-TheCanadian: Yassssss honey. Keep reading this queens. Evil thrives when good men do nothing, and as a black gay man one generation removed from Jim Crow, I cannot in good conscious stand by while the United Stated into the madness of extreme nationalism and xenophobia.
Giancarlo85
@alphacentauri: Maybe some of you clowns should post about how republicans and conservatives in America created ISIL with their policies.
Some of you are disgusting in every sense of the word.
@CWM85: Foaming at the mouth bullshit. You don’t even see the reality. The Christian right in this country would have you executed much the same way.
Saddam Hussein should have been left alone, and now you asswipes who supported that war are opening your mouths? Now what? You created a whole vacuum which Iran and Russia are taking advantage of? Are you supportive of what Russia is doing like the republican party who is heralding Putin? And how are gay people treated in Russia anyways?
@Alistair Wiseman: And you’re Queerty’s asskissing right wing Yoweri Museveni supporting apologist… you’ll be lock in step with whatever the republican party does because you lost your mind years ago.
It’s funny seeing the collapse of little minds on here. I love the entertainment seeing little trolls whine about a situation they created.
Again, I’ll repeat my main point:
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CREATED ISIL. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY MADE US VULNERABLE TO ATTACK. DUBYA SHOULD HAVE LEFT SADDAM ALONE!
Here is my solution: Give the Kurds heavy weaponry. Problem solved.
Giancarlo85
@BJ McFrisky: YOU F-KING CREATED ISIL, you dumb drone. Do you even read the garbage you post on here? YOU SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, and that was the same fucking party that overthrew Saddam.
You really should have left Saddam alone.
Any time you weak little runts attack liberals… I just remember the fact that you created ISIL with your stupid ass policies.
It’s called BLOWBACK.
Giancarlo85
Hey big mouths… who are the people dying the most in attacks by ISIL? What religion are the Yazidis or Kurds? These people are getting slaughtered… and the Kurds can’t fight with 40 year old weapons… they need heavy weaponry.
Hey CWM, christian countries execute and imprison gay people too. The only way to get away from all of that is getting away from religion completely. Christianity and Islam are the same and have the same roots.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/turkey-hdp-party_n_7537648.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/hdp-party-turkey-oppressed-151029090141649.html
Oh wow really? This Islamic HDP party seems to be more progressive than the loud mouth anti-gay republicans we have in this country.