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Is It Really Harder To Come Out As Christian Than LGBT?

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Christian researcher Ryan T. Anderson claims that it’s harder to admit to being an evangelical Christian than it is to come out as an LGBTQ person.

Anderson made the argument at an LGBTQ business summit organized by The Atlantic, according to The Christian Post.

Anderson said:

“What I see here is that if you are a conservative Evangelical at a major law firm or at an Ivy League university, you have a much harder time coming out of the closet as a conservative Evangelical than you do coming out as a gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender.

“That’s an empirical question but my experience at Princeton, and that was a decade ago, that it was much more of a contentious subject to say that you were opposed to same-sex marriage than to say that you were in favor of it.”

Anderson made the claims while discussing the need for a national non-discrimination act to address the myriad Christian-owned businesses that are turning away same-sex couples.

He’s opposed to such an act, saying it could criminalize Christians for their views on homosexuality.

“What I would suggest,” he sayid, “the protections here would be market competition.

“Already 89 percent of Fortune 500 companies have voluntarily enacted non-discrimination statutes on the basis of sexual orientation. This is working its way out on a voluntary basis.”

Anderson has gone on the record as saying he believe same-sex marriage is “based on a lie.”

Earlier this year, in an interview with Sandy Rios of the American Family Association, he claimed that gay marriage advocates are akin to people who opposed interracial marriage:

“In the same way when there were some racists who tried to say that you can’t have interracial marriage, that was propaganda, it was a lie, and it failed. In the same way, trying to eliminate that marriage is about uniting the two halves of humanity, not black and white, because that’s not the two halves of humanity, the two halves of humanity, male and female, husband and wife, mom and dad, you can’t erase that, and in the long run the truth will win out.”

 

H/t: LGBTQ Nation

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112 Comments

  • Xzamilio

    Beautiful… the group that has always had special protections from the get go whining about a group that still does not have full equality taking their rights away. I was about to go apeshit on the title of this article, but honestly, it’s just more of the victim mentality of the persecuted majority. And that last quote makes me especially sick as a black man. Trying to compare [email protected] (Queerty, we need to talk about the flag on this word) idiots trying to block interracial marriage to the attempt to stop gay marriage? No… in this comparison, YOU are the [email protected]!! YOU are the ones trying to impose your personal morality onto an entire subset of the US population (some of them believing the in the same dumb god as you, in fact).

    “You can’t erase that.” Yeah, because straight couples are erased from the equation because two big bear queens in Tampa liked it and put a ring on it. Sidenote, I’m pretty sure he and Rick Santorum have had mutual masturbation sessions… they don’t touch each other… just intense stares while watching Dan Savage videos on repeat.

  • Creig Stearne

    Being a Christian is a choice, being gay is not. Believing in that fairy tale is your choice, so don’t compare the two dick head.

  • Christopher-Aaron Paul Francis Felker

    FYI The crucifix you wear around your neck, tattoo on your body & adorn upon your walls KINDOF shows your cards – if you were actually trying to hide your faith for some bizarre intrapersonal faith crisis. Don’t bother, you really weren’t doing a good job at hiding anything. P.S. In Civil Society it really never is socially acceptable to casually use bible verses to demean others nor is it in congruence with the teachings of Jesus Christ himself.

  • John Malin

    Does anyone truly care that this asshole is making an asshole of himself?

  • Rob Boeving

    Sorta depends on what type of christian… the evil pretend to be christian, the christian that picks and chooses what they believe, the only when condemning others christian, the gun toting christian with a rebel flag, and on and on.

  • Joe T

    Well, when your “group” is full of hateful, nasty people it probably is more difficult. Most so called “Christian” people have no idea what it really means to be a true Christian.

  • bjohnmasters

    As a “Done,” I can say it’s not more difficult to come out as Christian, but it is more embarrassing today.

  • Erica Jade Worthington

    Latent homosexual, maybe? Often when someone like him is so fascinated by LGBT folks, they’re just at the edge of their own closet door, but haven’t opened it yet.

  • captainburrito

    His argument doesn’t make sense. Break the public accomodations law and you get a fine, usually not that big, especially the first time. It is not designed to bankrupt you but just to deter you from doing it again. Usually your legal fees will be more, but you can settle early to avoid that.

    Market forces when they worked put these places out of business.

    So his solution would be crueler if it worked.

  • SteveDenver

    Coming out gay is an act of truth and honesty.

    Saying you’re an evangelical is an act of stupidity.

  • Jeffrey Thomas

    your are not born Christian, so the answer is quite easy – NO. There are some “Christians” who have this need to think themselves persecuted to be happy.

  • Timothy Grover

    I think it is harder to come out as an atheist after leaving Christianity. People you once called friends are now trying to trip you up with bible verses like “It’s just a phase.” And if you said what you REALLY feel, you are calling them stupid and the ones that are delusional.

  • Vortece

    No one gives a rats ass what your religious beliefs are. What’s appalling is that you want the state submit to the tenets of your religion when GLBT citizens apply to be licensed in a CIVIL marriage. If there are people in Academia who called you out on that, then things are as they should be, because you absolutely SHOULDN’T think our courthouses ought to operate under the rules of YOUR CHURCH.

  • Jack Walter

    Nobody in the USA is tortured, beaten, disowned, bullied or murdered because they’re Evangelical Christians.

  • anglcan

    I don’t like this guy’s conservative politics, esp what he has to say about same sex marriage, but in a strange way he has a point. I’m an out and proud gay man who’s also an Episcopal priest. I’ve always been out in my career. I was the first openly gay priest in my diocese when I was ordained. I’ve certainly experienced some prejudice and discrimination in the church, but I’ve probably experienced more prejudice in the LGBT community as a Christian and a priest. I’m a decent looking guy but I’ve had guys tell me that they couldn’t possibly date a priest. I wonder what they don’t like – that I’m smart, well-educated, and have good values??? Religion is a complex thing. It has done a lot of harm (esp to LGBT folks) but it’s also done a lot of good. Last year my church gave away half a million pounds of food to 40,000 people. Furthermore, I spend a lot of my time visiting the sick and comforting the sorrowful. AND in my church, I’m allowed to marry same sex couples. It took us a long time to get here (way too long, in my opinion), but we finally made it. The church needs to accept LGBT folks. After all, the church has ALWAYS had gay/lesbian clergy and gay/lesbian parishioners. But the LGBT community also needs to accept that you can be both gay and religious.

  • Kangol

    What a nutcase! He’s clearly deranged.

  • NateOcean

    Religion is a form of mental illness.

    These people are so full of shit.

  • Kieran

    In the same way people aren’t allowed to discriminate against black people because of how they interpret the Bible or their religious beliefs, they also can’t discriminate against the gay people because of how they interpret the Bible or their religious beliefs. It isn’t that hard to understand.

  • Avery Alvarez

    Not this BS again.
    You have all the legal rights in America when you “come out” as any type of christian.

    If you face resistance, it’s not society’s fault. It’s your fellow christians’ fault. After all the damage they’ve done to society, they’ve got some nerve appropriating the gay experience.

  • Chris

    Note how he focused on one flavor of Xianity: evangelical Christianity. And to them my response would be to “get off the cross; someone needs the wood.”

    With the Christians who remember that the second half of God’s law consists of loving one’s neighbor as oneself, I have no problems. With those who put all sorts of doctrinal stuff in the way of their following that law, well, “yes, it SHOULD be more difficult for you come out as Xian” simply because you’re not following the laws of your own God.

    SMH

  • Michael Jacobs

    In a logical world it would be. Coming out as gay is acknowledging a biological reality. Coming out as Christian is acknowledging a belief in a fairly tale for which there is no physical evidence, and which has been demonstrated to cause harm.

  • Evji108

    More lame,right wing fundamentalist, “I am a victim” whining from entitled white men. Pathetic FAIL. These people are not martyrs, they are losers.

  • Matthew S McCoy

    now whose fault would that be after the war conservative christains have waged against civil rights

  • blackhook

    I’m willing to forgive Christians—or anyone who believes in Organized Superstition, religious voodoo & hocus-pocus-dominocus—if they will just join the 21st century & renounce their medieval & hateful beliefs.

    Imagine no religion …it’s easy if you try!

  • GG

    “[Anderson is] opposed to [a national non-discrimination act], saying it could criminalize Christians for their views on homosexuality.”

    – And, yet again, we have the same old, faulty argument. No, Mr. Anderson, a national non-discrimination act would not criminalize anyone for their VIEWS, it would criminalize discriminatory ACTIONS.

    “Anderson has gone on the record as saying he believe (sic) same-sex marriage is ‘based on a lie.’”

    – Yes, there is something here which is based on a lie, but it is not what you think it is, Mr. Anderson. Is your christian religion based upon the bible? The bible says NOTHING about same-sex marriage. The bible says not one word about sexual orientation. The lies, Mr. Anderson, are coming from you and your ilk.

    Anderson said, “the two halves of humanity, male and female, husband and wife, mom and dad, you can’t erase that, and in the long run the truth will win out.”

    – In the long run?? Christianity has been around for about 2,000 years. Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of humankind (that would be about 6,000 years for bible thumpers, about 8 to 10 million years for rational people). Religions come and go. Homosexuals have always existed, and continue to exist. Yes, Mr. Anderson, one of us shall prevail, but it is not the one that you think.

  • rickhfx

    Gay people are truly gay, it’s a fact. Religious believes are a fantasy, not based on fact. It should be harder to come out as hateful (religious). There is no basis for such hateful beliefs.

  • Michael Martinez

    Well, it is harder to admit to yourself you’re an asshole than it is to admit you have special powers.

  • Grace Giles

    My friends, one’s a famous lab doctor the other a billionaire from selling his family’s ins. biz, lovely couple, raised in OK & LA both very christian, it was the Republican thing I could never wrap my head around, one of the guys very mindful of every penny as if it were a hobby to hoard the coin, no matter how much I explained supporting the good guys would bring change in the LGBT equality, it didn’t matter, money is money.

  • dwes09

    @anglcan: No offense (well maybe a little), but I think you are lying. I have acquaintances who are clerics, and a good friend who is high in the hierarchy of the Episcopal church in New Zealand. They have no trouble finding men to date, one recently married his partner, and none have ever complained of disapprobation from either congregants or the Gay community.

    It has always been harder to come out as gay, and no one has ever been beaten to death for coming out as Christian in the US, and rarely anywhere else except at the hands of Islamist radicals (who also kill lgbt folks).

    One expects this kind of “storytelling” from evangelicals (who lie like rugs), not from sane sects like the Episcopal Church!

  • galatians328

    THE many bigoted, hateful, and ignorant comments, rants, and accusations (without evidence) here – more or less – prove the point of Mr Anderson.

    So, go right ahead and keep proving him RIGHT!

    We have been in many meetings of LGBTQ leaders who openly say things like ‘I hate Christians’ with no one in the room flying in the same rage that they would do if someone had said ‘I hate Jews’, or ‘I hate Muslims’.

    Such wicked ‘hate speech’ by queer folks tends to disprove claims of respect of equality and respect of human rights. All the good will queer communities have built up over years of fighting for equality, and coming through the HIV epidemic, can quickly be dispelled with public displays of – not affection – but hate of others.

    Marriage equality was achieved with historically astonishing speed! MUCH more quickly than enslaved people of color achieved emancipation. MUCH more quickly that women achieved the right to vote.

    So queer communities really want to show how hateful they can be?

  • anglcan

    @dwes09: I don’t appreciate having my integrity impugned. You could have said that you were skeptical but instead you accused me of lying. Anyway, everything I said was true.

  • lcandela123

    Princeton boy stretches logic here. He is saying that when he was at Princeton, it was harder to come out against gay marriage than for it, ERGO, it is harder to come out as a Christian in today’s society at large than it is to come out as gay.

    That’s a pretty big leap there, Ryan.

    Struggling for something witty to say in your speech?

    Please count up how many reports of Christians being beaten in the streets of US cities for being Christian and compare that with LGBT people being beaten up for who they are.

    And stupid shit like you bears responsibility for those beatings. Yes, the fuck you do.

  • fsnbgk

    What an ass. As someone who was raised catholic and struggled with being gay in my youth, he can f%$k himself.

  • Raymond Neeves

    since their persecution (of, well anyone they dont like) is no longer working as effectively, they want to play the victim card for themselves? religion really is for the weak minded.

  • o.codone

    @fsnbgk: Sad that such a beautiful, loving faith was wasted on a retard like you who rejected all the catholic religion has to bring. you are an Anti-Christian hater. nobody has time for hate right now.

  • Xzamilio

    @galatians328: Yeah… except the false equivocation of words against actions is what destroys this narrative you are trying to give in showing that being against religion is the same as being against same sex marriage/homosexuality/LGBT rights in general in conjunction with denying liberties to those groups. I can say left and right that I don’t like Christianity, but guess what? Christians still maintain their constitutional rights. For some reason, Christians like Anderson think their personal morality based on their unproven god should be the decider for us as LGBT individuals. Anderson has no point… he has a victim complex that most Christians like him have because the bible isn’t being forced on us as much as it used to.

  • Tobi

    “Hi Mom. Sit down. I’ve got something to tell you. I’ve decided to worship a malevolent sky pixie.”

  • Alan David Smith

    it is hard to discuss faith. or any other issue. because cherry pickers are the loudist screamers. but a person like me who does believe there is a god. are just shot down as if we are a fantasy group.(this comes from the same groups who worship harry potter the walking dead etc.). but i beilieve for example that god created the earth in 6 days. but i also believe that god is eternal. and therefore yes science proves. that the earth formed and evolved of billions of years . because i doubt god is on humanities 24 hour a day system. but humanity tries to force people into one or the other.

  • Tom Hill

    Don’t listen to this guy.

    He’s smarter than his cohorts and knows that he’ll catch more flies with honey but he is still virulently Anti-Gay and cherry picks “facts” from discredited studies and infamously biased “experts” to back up his opinion.

  • Atrius

    I hope one day telling people that you’re Christian or whatever actually is looked upon like one just admitted to being with the KKK.

    • rickhfx

      @anglcan:
      Sorry we don’t have to accept your delusion, get mental help, your “belief is a psychosis, there are meds for that..

  • JC Cash

    I don’t know, the picket signs, hate rallies and the condemnation of anyones lifestyle, but your own; might be your fault….

  • avesraggiana

    He’s kinda hot…maybe he just needs a fcuk in the butt.

  • Giancarlo85

    @galatians328: Thanks for displaying logical fallacies and strawman arguments. Who is displaying hatred of Christians? Your lack of logic isn’t surprising. Christians have it far easier in this country and have an entire political party backing them. Who is being bigoted or hateful? Gay people aren’t forcing these Christians to do anything, nor are they taking away their freedom of speech or freedom of religion. Feel free to believe in whatever cult you wanted… Just don’t force it on others.

    People disagree with religion. We are disagreeing with religion, not hating on them. So your guilt trips and pity aren’t going to go far here as they lack all logic and reason.

  • Giancarlo85

    @o.codone: Oh look it is the right wing conservative perpetual brownnoser. He can’t help himself.

  • Tim Creekmore

    Well, since announcing you are an evangelical christian does imply belief in a lot of illogical stuff and also implies a lot of bigotry and hate for just about everyone else in the world who is different from you. I think owning that stuff would be pretty hard. Admitting that you are gay is simply saying you are what you are by nature. No grey areas or hate needed.

  • Tereasa

    Oh, poor me. I am sick and tire of hearing this bullshit from these self righteous idiots who base their lives on a group of stories that were invented when man was ignorant about himself and the world. They were scare little beings. Grow UP! This idiot went to college? He needs to return and learn something.

  • GayEGO

    Well it is about time! Of course Ryan has not figured out that religion is a choice and being an LGBT is not and religions need to be more loving and inclusive, tossing the dark ages hoopla in the rubbish.

  • Giancarlo85

    What the religious right is trying to do is claim they are being discriminated against when this is clearly not true. They try to claim they are the victims, when for decades they were victimizing OTHERS. They are upset they lost just about every court battle (the only rare exception is Hobby Lobby which the Supreme Court may backtrack on anyways).

    These people are NOT victims. They are privileged. Often they are also very wealthy. They are not disadvantaged in anyway. They have strong preference in many parts of this country and gay people still can be fired in many states simply for being gay.

  • Liam

    Might go easier on the Xtians if they publicly opposed the nutters in their ranks, especially those violent ones who want to kill Gays in their god’s name. As the old saying goes: silence gives consent.

  • Scott McIntosh

    Well coming out as gay usually means saying you like dick; saying you aew an evangelical christian means saying you are a dickhead.

  • Don Barrett

    If you look at the context he’s talking about (liberal work environment), I would agree. In a somewhat similar issue, my experiences in liberal to progressive work environments was that my openness as a gay man didn’t bat at eye, but when I opened up about being a military veteran and native Southerner, many co-workers would automatically start placing all sorts of negative stereotypes on me.

  • Dafydd

    This greasy, evangelical lumbersexual needs to sit down with the families of the LGBTQ youth who have committed suicide and say the same thing to their faces. Then he can sit down with the homeless LGBTQ youth who have been kicked out of their homes, living on the streets and say the same thing to their faces. Then he can sit down with the countless LGBTQ people who have been bullied and assaulted and say the same thing to their faces. My blood boils when I hear religious wingnuts say they are persecuted and loosing their religious freedoms because they are hateful homophobes.

  • tsginamarieva

    If there is animus toward Christians in any social venue it’s because they have become the most enthusiastic purveyors of systemic bigotry in our society. They want to justify ostracizing LGBTQ Americans and excluding them from participation in society by their own religious beliefs. Moreover, they try to codify their beliefs with blatantly unconstitutional “nuisance” statutes that will never survive being challenged, but only serve to inflict pain and drain society’s resources.

    Let’s be clear, more and more of society is rejecting mindless prejudices clothed in false Christian piety. And the bigots with bibles, the plain-clothes auxiliary of the KKK, the God Nazis – who peddle these corruptions of American values, are finally, too slowly, receiving the opprobrium they deserve.

    And I say, Amen to that!

  • Sean Brennan

    NO. It is harder to come out as a hateful asshole who uses his or her faith as an excuse to attempt to make other people feel lesser than because they are different. AS IT SHOULD FUCKING WELL BE.

  • Alistair Wiseman

    @rickhfx:

    What a disgusting thing to say to a man who does so much for his parishioners and community.

  • Realitycheck

    This guy is a selective liar, when the supreme court made mix race marriage legal, a huge 96% of american were against it, yet it was done because it was the right thing to do.

    To now say we have to protect criminal bigots blanketed in hate because of their religion is 100% against the constitution of the USA, “division of church and state”.

    Simply put ,you are allowed to any religious belies “as long as you keep them to yourself and do not interfere with other people lives”

    Christianity main crime and huge delusional mistake is to have the strong believe of themselves as the moral police, constantly forcing other to bend to their ridiculous and primitive believes, that is wrong and it is criminal, christians should mind their own business and stay out of others lives.

    Discriminations laws were first enacted to protect black shoppers and apply to all american for any kind of discrimination, if anyone in a public business discriminate and refuse to service its costumers, police can be called and arrest will be made.
    This criminal filthy bigoted non intelligent christians need to stop whining and learn about the law of the land, if they do not wish to serve Gay, all the have to do is close their business to the public.

  • Giancarlo85

    @Dafydd: Absolutely. Maybe he should actually speak with him and think about what he says before he says it.

    @Alistair Wiseman: He hasn’t done shit for his community, asides alienate and attack a group of people who he thinks should go to hell.

    That’s the problem with the gay conservative brownnosers on this site… always making a bunch of excuses for bad behavior.

    @Don Barrett: That sounds made up to me. Liberal and progressive people don’t have a problem with people from the South. And they certainly don’t have a problem with veterans. Liberals care more about veterans. At least we, unlike conservatives, don’t push through extensive VA funding cuts… conservatives are prolific in their neglect of military veterans.

  • Dafydd

    @Giancarlo85: Exactly. It’s been done for hundreds, thousands of years if you consider The Crusades, Inquisition, Salem Witchcraft Trials. The religious wingnuts from all religions are pulling out the stops because they are once again loosing power to discriminate and hate based upon their heinous interpretations of their respective sacred text. They are either horrifically pushing us off buildings, stabbing us at gay pride parades, forcing us as children into conversion therapy, exporting their hate to African nations and Russia to inflame murderous anti-gay legislation, or, just as passive-aggressive horrifically, claiming reverse discrimination and supporting wingnut presidential candidates who attend an event where a speaker flippantly refers to the death penalty as a response to LGBTQI people.

  • LeslieLightning

    I am both Christian and a transgender pansexual and the notion that it is easier to come out as queer than Christian is complete bollocks. My first two months being out in the south were pure Hell.

  • enfilmigult

    “…it was much more of a contentious subject to say that you were opposed to same-sex marriage than to say that you were in favor of it.”

    No shit. He really doesn’t get it, does he. If it’s easier to come out as gay than Evangelical (LOL), it’s because being gay doesn’t inherently mean you’re against other people living their lives the way they see fit. This does. So yeah, you’re going to get a worse reaction. How is it possible not to see that?

  • DCFarmboy

    Stop it. Conservative white evangelical doe snot equal Christian and they need to stop claiming ownership of the term Christian. I can find you tons of law firm partners who are very publically on the Vestry of an Episcopal Church, the Board of Deacons of a Presbyterian Church or a Catholic Knight of Malta. They are all Christians just as much as a white conservative.

    And don’t tell me conservatives are not welcome at major law firms. Most of their work is for corporate pigs. Try “coming out” as a supporter of labor unions at a major law firm.

  • youarekiddingme

    @galatians328: Where did you get ANYONE here saying they hate Christians? As in your statement: “We have been in many meetings of LGBTQ leaders who openly say things like ‘I hate Christians’ with no one in the room flying in the same rage that they would do if someone had said ‘I hate Jews’, or ‘I hate Muslims’.” Oh, now I see that your statement actually says “IN MANY MEETINGS OF LGBTQ LEADERS.” Oh, I see! Much better. Now I see. Excuse me. Could you Please show me or give me an example where a LGBTQ Leader said, “I Hate Christians.” I don’t believe I’ve ever heard that and I’ve been to lots of rallies, fund raising events, demonstrations, protests and celebrations over the years trust me. I don’t ever recall hearing an LGBTQ Leader EVER saying that…I have many LGBTQ friends who are varies denominations of Christians (one who’s even an ordained minister) and trust me they would have been “up in arms” had that statement been made. Depending on my age at the time, I probably would have been too!

    Folks on this post object to organized religion (for a variety of reasons), but none have said anything about Hate in their posts either. I believe the thrust of their arguments have been equality.

    Get upset if you wish. Take offense. I’m also calling bullshit to your original post as well.

    @DCFarmboy: You hit the nail SQUARELY on the head! Law Firms, Unions, Evangelicals…all wrapped up in a very succinct statement!

  • Typhon

    @galatians328:

    “We have been in many meetings of LGBTQ leaders who openly say things like ‘I hate Christians’ with no one in the room flying in the same rage that they would do if someone had said ‘I hate Jews’, or ‘I hate Muslims’.”

    [Typhon] It is Christians and Muslims who hold up books that are the word of god only by virtue of the fact that they declare them to be so, books that say gays should be killed an injunction they act upon when they have the power to do so and you complain that some homosexuals are less than enamoured of the judaic relgions and the breathtakingly arrogant individuals who espouse them. I think some perspective is called for here and your silence on the hate filled relgious side of the coin speaks volumes.

    “Such wicked ‘hate speech’ by queer folks tends to disprove claims of respect of equality and respect of human rights. All the good will queer communities have built up over years of fighting for equality, and coming through the HIV epidemic, can quickly be dispelled with public displays of – not affection – but hate of others.”

    [Typhon] I have heard this argument before… the only means of persuasion is apparently (pardon the expression) to crawl up our tormentors arses… One wonders how long we must wait for the poor dear pointless superstitious primates to come to the party and start conferring the tolerance and love they demand so readily for themselves. Personally i think satire and criticism of fantasy based beliefs can be highly effective.

    “Marriage equality was achieved with historically astonishing speed! MUCH more quickly than enslaved people of color achieved emancipation. MUCH more quickly that women achieved the right to vote.

    So queer communities really want to show how hateful they can be?”

    [Typhon] Why don’t you hop over to a Muslim majority country and try preaching this message to those who need it far more… the most christians and muslims will generally get from gays is pointed criticism or ridicule, one wishes that was all gays got in return rather than extermination of having to share the planet with relgious fantacists who would deny in a moment to gays the rights they expect and demand for themselves.

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