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Is Scientology Really As Anti-Gay as Paul Haggis Claims?

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The Church of Scientology regularly lies — and then lies about its lies — so it’s perfectly understandable if you want to call a preemptive “BULLSHIT” on its latest claim: We’re not anti-gay!

Let’s just assume, for argument’s sake, that the reason Scientology attracts so many high-profile celebs is not because it promises to take the gay out of them (see: Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Will Smith). Because that would be sort of anti-gay!

In responding to Crash director Paul Haggis’ private-cum-public exit from the Church, spokesman Tommy Davis (who Haggis’ letter was addressed to, pictured) counters the reasons Haggis gave for branding Scientology as homophobic are bunk. Specifically, Haggis mentioned the San Diego branch’s support of Prop 8; Davis says that the “Church of Scientology San Diego had been put on a list of churches that supported Proposition 8 out in California. It was incorrectly included and named when it should have never been on the list to begin with.”

So why won’t the Church support gay rights? Because that would violate Scientology’s tax-exempt status, says Davis. (Obviously the Roman Catholic Church and LDS do not share the same view on tax law.)

But even if all that is true, here’s something Scientology does have in common with anti-gay bigots: It advocates the blunt separation of families. From Pat Robertson to Bill Donohue, adherence to Christian scripture means denouncing your gay friends and family; Scientology demands the same. As Haggis points out, Scientologists are forced to part ways with their loved ones who criticize the Church. (His wife had to cut off contact with her parents, who left Scientology.)

Despite Davis’ insistence to the contrary, it’s hard to believe Scientology is a place of open acceptance that “supports civil rights for everybody, regardless of sexual orientation, race, color or creed.” And while Davis claims “we are a minority, too; we understand what it’s like to be persecuted,” we can’t imagine anything healthy coming from a place that perpetrates shame and violence among its own community.

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39 Comments

  • Meow Macao

    According to Scientology, gays & lesbians and other such “perverts” should either be quarantined and institutionalized, or go through extensive Scientology “processing” until once again they have value as human beings. In the Scientology cult’s most sacred text, “Dianetics,” written in the early 1950s, a modern reader is somewhat startled to find this passage:

    “The sexual pervert (and by this term Dianetics, to be brief, includes any and all forms of deviation in dynamic two [sexuality and procreation] such as homosexuality, lesbianism, sexual sadism, etc., and all down the catalog of Ellis and Krafft-Ebing) is actually quite ill physically.” (L. Ron Hubbard, “Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health”)

    The cult’s founder, science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, felt LGBTQ people were malicious, untrustworthy and incredibly dangerous to society. In his follow-up book, “Science of Survival,” he establishes a “tone scale,” ranging from -3 to +4, for classifying categories of people and evaluating human behavior. “Perverts,” as he classified LGBTQ people, fall at 1.1 on Hubbard’s scale. He considered them to be extremely dangerous to society.

    “At 1.1 on the tone scale we enter the area of the most vicious reversal of the second dynamic. Here we have promiscuity, perversion, sadism, and irregular practices…. People on this level on the second dynamic are intensely dangerous in the society, since aberration is contagious. A society which reaches this level is on its way out of history, as went the Greeks, as went the Romans, as goes modern European and American culture. Here is a flaming danger signal which must be heeded if a race is to go forward…. The person may claim to love others and to have the good of others as his foremost interest; yet, at the same moment, he works, unconsciously or otherwise, to injure or destroy the lives and reputations of people and also to destroy property… No social order which desires to survive dares overlook its stratum 1.1’s. No social order will survive which does not remove these people from its midst…. Such people should be taken from the society as rapidly as possible and uniformly institutionalized; for here is the level of the contagion of immorality, and the destruction of ethics.” (L. Ron Hubbard, “Science of Survival”)

    The only solution Hubbard envisions to this horrifying threat is essentially converting them back to “normalcy.”

    “The only answers would seem to be the permanent quarantine of such persons from society to avoid the contagion of their insanities and the general turbulence which they bring to any order, thus forcing it lower on the scale, or processing such persons until they have attained a level on the tone scale which gives them value.”

    If this didn’t work out, they were to be “disposed of quietly and without sorrow.”

    When Scientologists of today are questioned about these passages of what are considered to be Hubbard’s two most “important” books (as well as similar passages highly unfavorable to people of African heritage), the response is invariably that Hubbard was a man of his times; in mainstream white American society of the 1950s such views might have been considered acceptable, if not commonly held. But this answer is just an evasion, in view of Scientology’s belief in Hubbard’s absolute infallibility – the cult views very harshly any attempt to suggest that Hubbard was not perfectly correct in everything he ever said or did. It is simply not permitted to change even one word of Hubbard’s writings, and indeed, the two books cited above have kept these insane and homophobic passages, through all the subsequently printed editions.

    Try asking a Scientologist, “Was Hubbard was wrong about this, yes or no?” You will not get an answer.

  • Criswell

    The screaming lunatic in photo is Tommy Davis
    – Ann Archer’s son and church PR rep
    he’s also the rumored sperm donor for Suri Cruise.

    and um, yes– Scientology IS anti-gay
    L Ron the lunatic said homosexuals were weak, inferior, damaged.

    just look at the shell-shocked dykey and faggy looking volunteers who leave their posts at L Ron bullshit academy on Hollywood Blvd.
    They don’t make eye contact with the outside world — they are already losing their critical reasoning abilities and becoming the zombies that serve their tax-exempt fraud.

    France just ruled Scientology as a “sect” — fraudulent – and def not a church.

    Germany won’t even have the lunatics in the country.

  • Criswell

    In the immortal “batshit crazy” words of sitcom darling
    Jenna Elfman who saw an anti-scientology T-shirt on a photographer
    and responded with an infuriated:

    “HAVE YOU RAPED ANY BABIES LATELY ?!!”

    these people are sick

    who randomly throws out ‘raping baby’ tirades on the street?

  • imominous

    Let us discuss the source of the Scientology organization’s homophobic attitude. Evidence of it is everywhere. It stems from L. Ron Hubbard’s own views; he is Source and his words cannot be changed or modified to appeal to a changing world. Most of the material followed by Scientologists was written in the 50s; an intolerant, racist point in our culture that the rest of society has mostly outgrown.

    Scientologists often confront their critics with homophobic rants and accusations, even when not appropriate. Protesters are often accused of being queer, along with being pedophiles, drug dealers, and other accusations from their tired arsenal of bullbaiting fodder.

    Tom Cruise was recently the subject of an article in which he is reported to throw out unexpected homophobic rants.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2009/oct/22/tom-cruise-homophobia

    The “Reverend” John Carmichael was caught on tape hurling gay accusations at an underaged protester. His verbal assault wound up with the Reverend calling the protester a “pussy.”

    Homophobia is deeply woven into the fabric of Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard left many hateful quotes about gays and, as Source, the good little followers mimic him in every way.

    I would be very interested in finding out what kind of support the San Diego Scientology chapter provided to have its name included on the list of churches that supported Prop 8 in California. I just have this feeling that Tommy Davis is lying when he says their inclusion was “a mistake.”

  • jed

    L. Ron Hubbard’s son Quentin was said to have been gay; he [apparently] committed suicide in 1976. Wonder why???

  • James P. P.

    Jed: The “suicide” was suspect and riddled with unanswered questions…. the common belief is that is was not a suicide at all but murder.

  • imominous

    Here are some selections of L. Ron Hubbard’s views. He lumps gays in with criminals and urges quarantine or disposal for all people below a certain level on his made-up “tone scale.”

    Science of Survival, Book One, Chapt. 1:

    “At 1.1 on the tone scale we enter the
    area of the most vicious reversal of the
    second dynamic. Here we have promiscuity,
    perversion, sadism, and irregular practices.”

    From Dianetics, the “modern science of mental heath”

    “The sexual pervert (and by this term
    Dianetics, to be brief, includes any and all
    forms of deviation in dynamic two such as
    homosexuality, lesbianism, sexual sadism,
    etc., and all down the catalog of Ellis and
    Krafft-Ebing) is actually quite ill
    physically.”

    Science of Survival, Book One, Chapt. 13:

    “The only answers would seem to be the
    permanent quarantine of such persons from
    society to avoid the contagion of their
    insanities and the general turbulence which
    they bring to any order, thus forcing it
    lower on the scale, or processing such
    persons until they have attained a level on
    the tone scale which gives them value.”

    Science of Survival, Book One, Chapt. 13:

    “Such people should be taken from the
    society as rapidly as possible and uniformly
    institutionalized; for here is the level of
    the contagion of immorality, and the
    destruction of ethics.”

    Any questions?

  • scott ny'er

    ugh. who cares? it’s a made-up religion. i mean MADE-UP. Created by a sci-fi writer to make $$$.

    said sci-fi writer hated jews and gays so hence the religion reflects that.

    unbelievable what people will follow.

  • Criswell

    L Ron Hubbard Jr. — said Daddy was an abortion obsessed, and Satanism student as well as a drug abusing bastard who laced his son’s bubble-gum with downers.
    http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html

    Hubbard Jr.: Yes. We attracted quite a few hippies but we tried to stay a way from them, because they didn’t have any money.

    Penthouse: A poor man can’t be a Scientologist?

    Hubbard Jr.: No, oh no.

    Ofcourse you can work for free as zombie slave to take their classes.

  • imominous

    Who cares? YOU SHOULD CARE!

    The Scientology cult makes strong efforts to get close to and influence politicians on both a local and national/global scale.

    Sarah Palin was targeted by Scientologist/ambulance chaser/Greta van Sustern hubby John Coale.

    Scientologists have also infested the once-reputable National Foundation of Women Legislators.

    Yeah, you should care, as we see politicians promoting Scientology front groups to their home states. Your money pays for these fraudulent L. Ron Hubbard programs in fields of mental health, education, drug rehab, and yes, the issue of marriage.

    We have seen cult tools like CA Senatorial wanna-be Jeff Stone promote ordinances inhibiting free speech in Riverside County.

    So, you can dismiss this cult as insignificant if you want to. They’re not. They still have politicians in their pocketses, the best their money can buy. And that affects all of us!

  • benlayvey

    Hey Do not blame Ron, he was merely allotting his “religion” characteristics that made it legitimately as such, eg. Homophobia.

  • Dirk Eskrind

    Scientology is singular in the way they have a separate celebrity class, with separate facilities. They were targeted specifically in the mid-50’s in PROJECT CELEBRITY.

    Hubbard knew that there were lots of people, especially in their teenage years, who imitate their favorite celebrities.

    Celebrities receive special treatment, and are usually protected from the harsher policies. For that reason I’m surprised Haggis had a disconnection with his wife’s parents. Someone may have screwed up with that, and somehow not realize who she was, or perhaps it was well before he was famous.

    Anyway, back to gays. Meow’s comment is accurate although in the very beginning Dianetics attracted an out-sized proportion of homosexuals, since it was part of the draw. A new way to go straight. Originally, Hubbard hawked his scam with claims that it could cure blindness, arthritis, and homosexuality. When it wasn’t curing these things, Hubbard changed the claim to “making the able, more able.” Increasing human potential and raising IQ.

    I think they left in the tone scale crap and business about processing out homosexuality, because they knew that it would draw self-loathing gay people, into the scam.

    The bottom line in Scientology, is money. They do whatever extracts the most money out of people they can attract, finding their ruin. The people they attract are usually young and impressionable, gullible, often uneducated or inexperienced in life anyway, and invariably uninformed about the greater picture of what the organization teaches and how it operates.

    So, if Tommy Davis says that gays are welcome, or Scientology adopts this posture for a certain situation like the Haggis letter, it is all about not hurting cult business.

    Scientology wants celebrities to feel that if they are gay, and need a beard, Scientology will provide, if the celebrity is important enough. Scientology got deeply involved in the selection for Tom Cruise’s third wife, Katie Holmes. (Not saying he’s gay…but we know he’s homophobic.)

    At the same time, the cult has shown that they will use confidential files against ex-members. Whether they will do this with a celebrity is in question, but undoubtedly, it must be part of what has enslaved John Travolta. It is a possibility they would, if Travolta were to come out harshly against the cult.

    One thing that could make celebrity Scientology come crashing down, with the whole cult following, would be if former auditors, like Bruce Hines or Marty Rathbun, chose to reveal “secrets” that were told to them in auditing session, when they audited people such as Nicole Kidman or Tom Cruise.

  • christopher di spirito

    While the Mormons correctly get skewered for their part in getting Proposition 8 passed in California, Scientology played an equally big, financial role.

    Just read Academy Award winning director Paul Haggis’ resignation letter after 35 years of being a loyal Scientologist. Haggis cited the church’s role in Proposition 8’s successful passage as one of the reasons he left.

    Scientology has an ugly history of smearing the reputations of wealthy, A-list Hollywood Scientologists if they venture too far outside the fold.

    Germany had Scientology’s number. They know fascism when they see it.

  • Louanne

    I think you WANT Scientology to be anti-gay. For having some minority to bash on. Otherwise your spin does not make sense. Scientology couldn’t care less if you share your bed with another woman or man. Ask a Scientologist.

    Or read up on it:

    Is Scientology against homosexuality? Are there gay Scientologists?

    There was some early writings that appeared to be “anti-gay”, stating that homosexuality was covertly hostile. But one must look at that in the context of the times. In the 1940s – 1950s most people in western countries did consider homosexuality to be a mental or even physical illness.

    I do not have any knowledge or evidence of anti-homosexual actions taken by the church at any point, other than the few writings on the subject. It was pretty much left alone for many years.

    Then in 1967 Hubbard issued a policy which reads, in part, “It has never been any part of my plans to regulate or to attempt to regulate the private lives of individuals. Whenever this has occurred, it has not resulted in any improved condition…

    Therefore all former rules, regulations and polices relating to the sexual activities of Scientologists are canceled.”

    Hubbard later released a book about ethical behavior that was silent on the subject of homosexuality, and offered a gender-neutral ethical guidelines about being faithful to one’s partner and avoiding promiscuity.

    The Church of Scientology is a leading proponent for human rights for all people of earth as can be seen by their campaigns with Youth for Human Rights and the Citizens Commission on Human Rights.

    In October 2009 a spokesperson of the Church of Scientology International put it this way:

    “The church supports civil rights for everybody, regardless of sexual orientation, race, color or creed. We are a minority, too; we understand what it’s like to be persecuted, so to the extent that anything prohibits or inhibits on civil rights, we don’t agree with it.” (MSNBC, 28 October 2009)

    (this is from scientologymyths dot info)

  • Tim

    I honestly think that Scientology is probably the most accepting and open minded religion. To me it is very similar to Buddhism.

    I’ve recently read the msnbc.com story – http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33498755/ns/entertainment-gossip/ as well came across a very interesting story titled I’M HERE, I’M QUEER, I’M A SCIENTOLOGIST! http://www.liveandgrow.org/fab-scn.html

    People will have opinions regarding Scientology but that is all it is opinions about a religion. People have opinions about every religion in the world.

    Check out the sites because they are very interesting news.

  • DeAnimator

    I hope their spaceship comes soon and beams them all to whatever fucking planet they’d rather be on.

  • M'Liss

    @ Scott N’Yer

    Totally. Its crazy crazy crazy how much one imaginative (and not so creative) act by one crazy crazy guy becomes such a … ugh.

    When will it happen, our mental evolution?

  • M'Liss

    @ Louann (or should I say jenna?)

    even if scientology isnt anti gay thats not the point. It a ridiculous made-up religion..like every other religion!

  • Criswell

    Moreover, L Ron’ Church of $ci is in the tradition of Oprah’s
    fave church sect: AGAPE (Rev Michael Beckwith – is another schemer and dreamer) and their TITHING demands.

    You gotta pay to play. You gotta pay loads of cash to ascend the cult and it’s sci-fi order. You gotta cleanse yourself while being “audited” (ie: tape recorded so they can use your “sins” against you if that’s what needed to keep you in – or if you become RICH & FAMOUS and fear a press leak).

    LouAnne,gGo walk into a $cientology gathering and say that you have no more money and have no intention of working for free for the expensive classes and next level of auditing/cleansing of engrams — and you will see how far you will get in their happy go lucky ‘accepting’ org.

    Ofcourse they DESPISE psychiatry and psychology because why would THEY want anybody to have a strong will / or critical reasoning ?

    They should be more afraid of the internet —
    the TRUTH is out there now – and the nutty SCI FI religion is slowly being SUNK by space age technologies. Funny isn’t it?

  • Daniel

    P.T. Barnum said it best: There’s a sucker born every minute.

  • imominous

    OH, LOUANNE!

    Some of us know you’re a full time cult shill. For those of you who don’t know, “Louanne” spends her days seeking out critical forums and throwing in “her” (questionable, she might be a man, or a team of Scientologists, we don’t rightly know) two cents in all over the internet.

    Louanne, give it up. You’re fighting on the losing side, because Scientology is stone solid eevil masquerading as something good.

    Answer these questions:
    1. Is Hubbard Source?
    2. Can you discount Hubbard’s homophobic views as listed above?
    3. If you do discount it, aren’t you “squirreling the tech?”

    Come on, you sad little Scientology shill. You and your few fellows who are defenders of the faith will fail, simply because your guru was a homophobic, racist product of his times.

    You’re over, babe. You and your hatefilled, repugnant doctrines are on the way out, and none of your phony “human rights” groups are going to save you.

    We know you better than you know yourself. Bail while you still can, and bring documents.

  • PopSnap

    The CoS is by far one of the most dangerous organizations in the country, if not world. They lock members in dark rooms for days at a time until they agree to sign over the possesions and houses to the church, as well as killing those who leave the cult. Why the government hasn’t investigated all of the bizzare deaths and ritual killings associated with these people is beyond me, because they are among the most wicked people in the country.

    At least the mormons, Evangelicals, ect. honestly believe they are improving the world, even if they are misinformed/misguided. These people decieve others, count their money gained and laugh about it.

  • Dirk Eskrind

    It’s a bird. It’s a plane. It’s Scientology!

    Scientology shifts constantly. As a religion they are interested in your spiritual eternity. Yet, since it involves coughing up hundreds of thousands of dollars, literally, they tell you it’s like going to Harvard or something.

    Come on, their leader is a freaking high school dropout, and Hubbard himself flunked out of George Washington University. He wrote a book on Radiation (ALL ABOUT RADIATION) and on the book sleeve it says “written by a medical doctor and a nuclear physicist”, L. Ron Hubbard. Scientology’s early history is hoax after lie after hoax.

    To believe in this stuff you have to be completely brainwashed. Hubbard was a master hypnotist and in their training routines, Scientology actually removes people’s free will, turning them into zombies. Watch the Tom Cruise video. This is not just another religion that can take a person to that level of nutty.

    This cult of greed and power takes a special interest in the financial health of members. If you are out of money, but have an inheritance coming up, they will help you take out a loan to pay for services.

    The Scientologist in Australia, a young soldier, who suicided by throwing himself on electrified power equipment recently, had taken out a loan for $20,000, just for basic Scientology courses. Scientology helps people take out loans. So, if you have too much money and don’t know where to get rid of it, Scientology can help you. In France, they accompanies people to their bank, holding their hand and taking them through the loan process.

    They will profess to be whatever you want them to be, if you have money, or even good credit.

    Just look at the trial in France recently, Scientology bleeds people of all their money and beyond.

    I am sick of their lies, and these cult shills like Louanne are pathetic.

    Quentin Hubbard, Hubbard’s gay son, killed himself at 22 years of age. He wanted to take flying lessons and get a pilot’s license. His father wouldn’t allow it. Quentin was bright but no college for Quentin. He was to be a cult slave 24 hours a day on the cult ship, the Apollo.

    His other son, Ron Jr., completely denounced his father as a total fraud, in a famous article in Penthouse Magazine. The cult was so shook about what was written, they paid of Ron Jr., to issue a retraction of his statements. Ridiculous. What he said the first time was true.

    Scientology will tell you it is “all about families.” It’s candy mountain, a trip to the moon on gossamer wings. (Actually, at one point Hubbard claimed that a person got a new body, at an implant station on the dark side of the moon.)

    Scientology is about promises they can’t keep, brainwashing, lies and money-sucking, and selling Scientology.

  • christopher di spirito

    Scientology has claimed to “cure” homosexuality via reparative therapy. They also arranged “beard” marriages for high profile Hollywood actors like the studios did back in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s.

    Anyone who thinks Xenu Inc. doesn’t care who you sleep with needs their head examined. But preferably, not by a Scientology shrink.

  • nikko

    Scientology is pure cult crap, regardless of wether it’s anti-gay or not.

  • dontblamemeivotedforhillary

    Scientology is only anti-gay if you happen to be gay, know a gay, rather don’t minds the gays, have gays in your family (but, not-so-much if you are an Ex-Gay!)

    BTW – What is an Ex-Gay (like an Ex-Human?)

    The Gays are Out There, Scully!

    (seriously, a demented religion of delusional, weak followers which would qualify as a Cult!)

  • John (still that one from England)

    Sad.

    How can anyone believe such drivel??

    Cult followers are funny people but they ARE tenacious!?

  • hammish

    I am afraid I was screaming Bullsh*t even before I read this. Scientology, a made up religion, by a science fiction writer, in which extraterrestials have invaded our bodies. The most hilarious piece of this ludicrous nonesense is the made up word…dianetics…oooh…doesn’t that sound IMPORTANT… when I saw Tom Cruise all hepped up on dianetics, spilling his guts with giddy derangement about how only scientologists can save us, I thought about what I would rather do if I had an accident and saw Tom Cruise about to somehow save my life with his scientoligiousness… I think I’d rather stay in my car, thanks anyway, Tom.

  • Mary McConnell

    Some of their most important and fundamental Scientology texts state that homosexuals are perverts who should be “removed from society quietly and without remorse”.

    [..]Scientology’s version of reparative therapy, known as auditing, did not work to “cure” the homosexual. Hubbard wrote, and Scientologists believe, that homosexuals are part of a group that they consider to be “unsaveable.”[..]
    http://www.religionnewsblog.com/22876

    Some good reading can be found here
    http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2008/06/21/hubbard_lgbtq.jpg
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Scientology

    Scientologist Keith Relkin ( I’m Queer and I’m a Scientologist” has long since stopped speaking out for the cult. He tried and failed because he was lied to,just as Tommy Davis lied about Prop 8 being a mistake. Here’s a 2008 news article about what happened. http://www.religionnewsblog.com/22876

    Scientology is a totalitarian organization which is opportunitic for self serving purtposes, joining in where ever it can gain position and influence. It’s disconnection policies are extremist and damaging and cannot be compared to the linmited practices of other religions. Scientology also enforce abortions on their ‘billion year” contracted staff, wheich amount so infanticide. Theya also deprive dedicated of their civil right by making them do a lengthy degrading ‘rehabiliration prject’ segregating them from the rest of their group and their families. This can go on for many years for a member. Many have left and currently there are several federal lawsuits against the church for thse issues. While he tried and failed to rally th church to accepting homosexuality, Keith Relkin was never qualified for that section of the ‘church’ and frankly, he’s better off because of it.

  • ADS

    “It advocates the blunt separation of families. From Pat Robertson to Bill Donohue, adherence to Christian scripture means denouncing your gay friends and family”

    Well the correct way to follow Christ would not be to ‘Denounce’ but rather point at scripture as to why being gay is against what God would have us do. Above all the Christian way is to love and to encourage and to understand. Not to necessarily agree but to have open dialouge. The same why many Christians are bigoted ant-gay haters (not the correct way)is EXACTLY the same way many gay and lesbian’s are very anti-Christian. Both parties claiming to be right and disparaging to one another does not help anyone.

  • hammish

    Both parties are disparaging? REALLY? Well, it seems to me that gay people are not trying to limit christians’ civil rights, nor are we attempting to change their “evil” way of life. If christians stayed out of my life I would stop condeming them. We didn’t start it, pal, christians did.

  • imominous

    Let’s see…on one side, you have a group of people who only want to be left alone to enjoy their lives together.

    On the other hand, you have a pack of superstitious, judgemental a-holes who can’t simply mind their own business, they have to try to direct the lives of everyone around them in order to make a world they feel is “correct” because of their interpretation of a book written and rewritten for political and social influence for 2000 years.

    First of all, who the hell are YOU to criticize what your god has made? If your god made the world, he also made people who are gay. And you have the gall to state that this is WRONG? Take it up with god, buddy. Expect a donkey punch for your arrogance!

    I tell you what, if I had a rabid pack of jackasses with special divine insight telling me my life was wrong, I’d sure the hell disparage the everlovin’ bejesus out of you!

    If a certain group of Christians tries to insinuate their beliefs into secular society, they deserve disparagement and more!

    You’re no better than the archaic social attitude that forbade people of different races to marry. We call those people ‘Bigots.’ Go live your lives the way you see fit, but do not presume that your superstitions are shared by rational, intelligent people. And don’t whine and complain if somebody calls you on your stone-age intolerance!

  • hammish

    IMOMINOUS – all I can say is you are spot on…thank you, I couldn’t have said it better myself. Amen!!!

  • imominous

    I’d like to add that, if this bible thumper squawks that being gay is a choice; if god created everything in the universe, he also created that choice.

    And, since god isn’t satan, all the choices presented should lead to heaven, am I right?

  • hammish

    That is exactly the logic that makes sense when it comes to God. If God loves everyone, if God made everyone, then God made people gay (or made gay people). The idea that being gay is a choice is so absurd. Just think about it. Some straihgt person went to bed one night and woke up thinking they would like to complicate their lives, have whole segments of unenlightened people hate them, be afraid for their jobs, not have full civil rights as any other citizen has, all of this because they want to be gay…kind of like wanting your hair to be a different color…stupid doesn’t begin to cover it.

  • Henry

    ADS:
    The essential difference between Christianity and homosexuality (which I’ll acknowledge is like trying to compare apples with oranges) is that gays don’t tell other people how to live their lives, and Christians do.

  • Truth

    I am a Scientologist and I am gay. The Church of Scientology knew I was gay and they helped me get off drugs and saved my life.

  • imominous

    Oh, c’mon Truth. Were you a Scientologist before you got off drugs?
    Or did you give Narconon $26,000 up front to get your drug addiction replaced by an addiction to Scientology?

    For $26,000 they will tolerate them some gayness!

  • Henry Scott

    Even is Scientology weren’t anti-gay, it is anti-intellectual (a nice way of saying “stupid”) and that’s reason enough to disparage it.

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