“It’s speaking a new language [learning to discuss queer issues]. It’s learning new terminology and words. I am new at it. I am not someone who is pretending to know much about it. And I’m going to blow it, I’m going to make mistakes. I would like to try to avoid making big mistakes. You slow your speech down a little. You become a little more mindful about what you’re saying. How you’re saying it. You still mess up, I’ve messed up today twice. We’re human. But if one person reads this, sees a picture of Ruby and me and says, ‘I feel free to say this is who I am,’ then it’s worth it…I’m not proselytizing, and I’m not trying to force-feed something to people. I’m simply saying, ‘This is our family’s experience.’ I am here to support Ruby. That is my job. Just as it is to care and love and support her older sister Annie in her journeys. I’m a grateful student. I’m learning so much from Ruby. The conversation is ongoing. But I want to know: How can I do this better?”–Actress Jamie Lee Curtis, mother of transgender daughter Ruby, on how she’s grown as a parent following her daughter’s coming out. Curtis recently officiated Ruby’s wedding and has become an outspoken advocate for LGBTQ kids.
mastik8
Progress not perfection. So refreshing.
tallskin4
yeah, yeah, cos you’re only hip and in with the latest fashion-statement if you have a trans child
having a child who’s only same sex attracted is just SO boring these days and passé !
cliche guevara
You really struggling with this trolling thing don’t you?
tallskin4
What is the difference between making a legitimate comment and being a troll , cliche guevara?
cos all i ever see you do is make facile stupid comments in response to other’s legitimate remarks, so I am not sure you understand the difference
barryaksarben
wow you are really reaching here. I am sure she didnt plan on having a trans child to be hip. Her child IS trans and she is supporting them which is wonderful. Your interpretation of this is just FKIN weird and actually quite hate filled
Winsocki
in the words of Lil Annie “you’re so hip it hurts”…. Geez any comment is legitimate unless somebody is using your name. That is not the point. Your POV shows your attitude. We accept where you are coming from. My legitimate comment on your comment. “acting the fool, stirring the pot, not a good place”. Rock On.
jcool
@tallskin4
i’m not sure, but it appears you believe that YOU made a legitimate comment.
nope.
tallskin4
barryaksarben / jcool / Winsocki
If you think kids are “born in the wrong” body, upon which belief the entire edifice of trans ideology is constructed, then the virtue signalling of jamie lee curtis makes sense.
If you don’t accept this ‘born in the wrong body’ theory then the entire tranz house is revealed as being made of termite ridden sticks and crumbles to dust
kish
You wrote a lot just to express that you’re a bigot.
Halfnhalf
Actually, being trans ISN’T being born in the wrong body. It’s a result of their brain not being able to absorb their primary hormones in the sixth month of prenatal development. So the brain is differentiated as the other gender. A small genetic study found many genetic variants which trans have and cis don’t. They’re working on a larger study. So Trans are born with brains that don’t match their body. Oh and by the way there have been trans people throughout time. Ignorance isn’t proof.
cliche guevara
4Skin-
Well that clears things up a bit. Not knowing what trolling is would likely I’ve the reason your attempts is so cringeworthy. Trying to pass it off as a legitimate comment is just goofy given how inane it is. You better of with being labeled a bad troll than having that heap of words represent you intellectual prowess.
As for being being stupid, nobody wearing that hat has any business critiquing the intelligence of others.
DarkZephyr
So you think Jamie Lee Curtis CHOSE to have a trans daughter merely to be HIP?? Ruby is who she is independently of how Jamie may feel about it. Fortunately she is lucky enough to have a mother AND father who is super supportive. How would you feel if some a-hole came along and accused your parents of having a gay son merely to be hip? Wouldn’t you think that was ridiculous?
tallskin4
kish
I know you find it hard, cos all the HRT has addled your brain, but just think for a second about how you lack of a reasoned response to my arguments merely proves my point that all those puberty blocking drugs damages the brain. You seem to be proof
cliche guevara
An argument is a conclusion drawn from a series of premises. A valid argument is when the conclusion follows logically from the premises (has no structural flaws). A cogent/sound argument is when the argument is valid and the premises are true.
Saying someone has not responded to your arguments is misleading at best. Nothing you have said meets the definition of an argument. You have no conclusions drawn from premises. Assuming you could cobble together your thoughts into an actual argument no one would be able to respond based on substance because you make some pretty basic errors (straw man fallacy, begging the question and ad hominem attacks to name a few).
But then your intent isn’t actual discourse you are just trying to troll. And, sadly, your trolling skills are about as developed and your argument building skills.
Cam
Please explain to us why Curtis trying to accommodate her child’s needs enrages you so much.
Gourmet Guy
Celebrating the fact that you have a trans or gay child is a BIG DEAL, as far as I’m concerned, and I’m concerned pretty damned far. It wasn’t at all long ago that such a reaction would have been ABSOLUTELY unheard of, let alone supported. And gay kids are still tormented, thrown out of family homes, and even drive to suicide. Don’t think for a minute that everything has changed, tallskin4. Just try telling that to one of those gay kids! I have, and believe me, they can contradict you in a thrice.
cliche guevara
Right? A parent is proud and supportive of their child and someone that draws criticism. How miserable of a person do you have to be to get bent out of shape by good parenting.
tallskin4
There is no such thing as a “trans kid” gourmand gay. No child is born in the “wrong body”, that’s nonsense.
“Gender dysphoria” is a term that covers many aspects of mental ill health, including depression at hitting adolescence and experiencing all the changes that adolescence brings, it also includes being depressed at being gay/lesbian within a homophobic family or culture.
Many of us are very concerned here in the UK that gay and lesbian kids suffering from the coverall term ‘gender dysphoria’ (ie depression and other mental distress) are being put onto a conveyor belt towards transing away the gay and are being given toxic drugs like puberty blockers, the effects of which are irreversible, or irreversible and mutilating surgery; and then onto a lifetime of dependency as sexual eunuchs on pharmaceutical companies . This may not concern you gays in the USA but we gays and lesbians here are concerned and we are intend to carry on fiercely resisting trans ideology because we find it false and nonsensical and plain BS…
All the info i relay here is taken from the doctor’s info at the Tavistock, the gender clinic here in london.
if you want to learn more google NOLAN PODCAST on Stonewall
DarkZephyr
@tallskin4
“Many of us are very concerned here in the UK that gay and lesbian kids suffering from the coverall term ‘gender dysphoria’ (ie depression and other mental distress) are being put onto a conveyor belt towards transing away the gay and are being given toxic drugs like puberty blockers….blah blah blah blah”
Debating about that subject aside, what does any of that have to do with Jamie Lee Curtis’ kid? Her kid is a 25 year old *adult*.
Cam
Hey Queerty, @tallskin4 ‘s comments go beyond dissagreement into saying that trans people don’t exist and are mentally ill, etc…
I believe that violates the TOS.
Fah tay pantz
I notice one of the few comments Talll whatever hasnt responded yo if Halfnhalfs which is full of facts … funny that.
Hank31
LGB kids aren’t “queer.” Further, you don’t need to learn a new language in order to love and support a gay or bisexual kid.
The only ones who require you to jump through dozens of hoops, destroy the meaning of words and use fake words invented on Tumblr each week are transgenders.
cliche guevara
A lot of words to let us know you are a bigot.
Heywood Jablowme
It’s amazing how many commenters read a site called Queerty and then complain about the word “queer.”
Okay, if you’re older than 80 you get a pass, oldtimer. But if you’re younger than 80 – you’re here, you’re queer, get used to it!
tallskin4
cliche guevara
you seem overly fond of overusing the word “bigot” my tiny Cliched guava pear.
Perhaps if you asked Mr Dictionary nicely he might provide you with a wider vocabulary
kish
Queer is a word that means anything that deviates from a heteronormative society. It is a word that many lgb and t people use, proudly.
There is so much prejudice in the older gay communities. You’re just hurting society. Thankfully, you’re out at 3pm and home by 8pm, so no one has to interact with you.
cliche guevara
Thin4skin –
Still struggling with the whole trolling gig?
It is better than:
“ i mAkE LeGiTiMaTe cOmMeNtS”
DarkZephyr
@Hank31
Except that the homophobes always accused us of trying to change language, didn’t they? They accused us of trying to redefine the word “marriage”, didn’t they? They claimed that we destroyed its true meaning “the union of one man and one woman”. Or have you forgotten that?
Hank31
Interesting that 2 replies above accuse me of being “old” and claiming that anyone who objects to “queer” must be old. In fact, the use of “queer” is a practice of the elderly, not the young. The people who first attempted to revive”queer” in 1990 are now in their 60s. “Queer” is a word that an old person thinks that a young person uses. Multiple surveys show that only a tiny minority of LGBs use “queer” and youth are the LEAST likely to use it to describe themselves. Surveys from the USA, UK and Australia indicated that about 1-1.5% self-ID as “queer”. 98.5% don’t. Other terms have gained traction with young people, most notably “pansexual.” But not “queer.”
@DarkZephyr Nice try responding to things I never said. To refer back to my actual comment: 1) jump through dozens of hoops – nope, 2) destroy the meaning of words – nope 3) use fake words invented on Tumblr each week – nope. Do better!
kish
When you state stats, you state sources. Otherwise it’s a waste of time. This is definitely not the case in nyc, as most people I know (cis and trans) proudly use the term queer. It is a term that has been reclaimed by Gen Z.
Cam
Oh really? Parents didn’t need to use different pronouns when their son has a husband instead of a wife? When their daughter has a wife instead of a husband?
Poor little troll, it thinks if it centers most of it’s attacks on transpeople, that the gay, lesbian, bisexuals and others on here won’t figure out that attacking trans people is simple a trojan horse to attack everyone.
You and other right wing bigots just think attacking trans people is more acceptable and a good opening. You aren’t fooling anyone.
Hank31
When a gay person brings home his boyfriend, the pronoun is “he.” Not because the person is gay. Not because gay activists demand a special pronoun just for our “identity.” Not because we are trying to overthrow and re-write how pronouns have always been used. But simply because the boyfriend is a male. Males get referred to as he. We LGBs apply the same pronouns as would be used for anyone else. It’s the precise opposite of what trans activists do.
tallskin4
Queerty keep deleting my comments on why no child is born into the wrong body.
All the info i relay on this topic is taken from a doctor Bell at the Tavistock, the gender clinic here in london.
if you want to learn more google NOLAN PODCAST on Stonewall, go to episode 5 where you’ll find a fascinating interview with Professor Bell, who used to work At the Tavistock
kish
Are you serious? This makes you an expert on gender?
DarkZephyr
You’re embarrassing the rest of us.
inbama
@DarkZephyr.
If we’re secure in our sexual orientation and our manhood, facts shouldn’t embarrass us.
cliche guevara
@kish
The interview is actually interesting but also with pointing out that Dr. Bell didn’t treat patents with Gender Dysphoria. What’s more interesting is that 4skin is citing for his claims but it doesn’t back any of them. For example.
1 “trans kids don’t exist” – Bell doesn’t say that and fully acknowledges that they do exist but warns against calling every child with gender dysphoria trans.
2. puberty blockers irreversible – Bell doesn’t say that. There is some discussion about there not being a lot of data on the long term use of puberty blockers but that is due to them being intended for short term use.
3. Puberty blockers are toxic – Bell doesn’t say that. Also water is toxic from a scientific standpoint so we really getting insight into 4skins lack of understanding of basic science.
4. Gender dysphoria – Bell’s explanation of gender dysphoria is complexity correct and in no way aligned with 4skin’s definition of gender dysphoria.
I could go on but you get the picture, 4skin is either fundamentally dishonest or has really poor comprehension skills. Maybe both.
Anyway, Dr. Bell’s concern is that the standard of care outlined for gender dysphoria wasn’t being followed and not the standard of care itself. There was also discussion about minors and informed consent. The latter is the subject of a lawsuit.
Cam
Awww, the right wing troll account is crying because it’s amplifying of another right wing bigot isn’t getting acceptance.
Sweetie, you’re boring. Oh, and thanks for using the abbreviation “LGB” We know that’s the acronym for the UK anti trans group run by straight bigots and fronted by a few misguided queer people.
I love it when you make troll spotting so easy.