Don’t tell makeup millionaire and YouTuber Jeffree Star that you use they/them pronouns. The gay influencer used a recent podcast appearance to trash the whole notion of gender fluidity.
37-year-old Star appeared this week on the Barstool Sports podcast Bussin’ With the Boys where he chatted with Taylor Lewan, a player with the Tennessee Titans. At one point in the conversation, the subject of gender identity arose. This included they/them pronouns.
“I’m not into all the other bullsh*t,” Star said. “The ‘they’ and ‘them’ and all that extra sh*t we added during the pandemic ‘cos everyone was so bored in their f*cking houses and started to make up more sh*t.”
Star went on to say that holding such views is why he had some conservative fans.
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“That’s why the conservatives like me, because I’m just real,” he said, adding, “You’re not ‘they’ and ‘them’, you’re trans, you’re male or you’re female. People get so mad when I say that.
“How are you a ‘they’? What the f*ck does that mean?” Star continued.
“It’s stupid is what it is. But you need someone like me, who looks like me, to say it. Because if you say it, it turns into: ‘You’re homophobic, you hate trans people, you hate gays.’ It’s how you feel. You don’t hate anyone. You just think it’s stupid.”
i’m predicting now that jeffree star will have his own fox news special by 2024 pic.twitter.com/rPkiUc9cpt
— matt (@mattxiv) February 16, 2023
Star calls himself an “alien”
Online, many expressed disappointment in Star’s opinion. Some remembered the time, just a couple of years ago, when he referred to himself as an alien and said he didn’t care what pronouns people used about him.
Literally always branded himself as “an alien” and using any pronouns but now is back tracking lolol pic.twitter.com/3JIkSSUyra
— Harmonia (@guzzlingguzma) February 16, 2023
Others were unsurprised to learn Star enjoys the admiration of conservatives.
the way he’s bragging about conservatives liking him? like what an accomplishment?
— chris ✨ 🇬🇷 (@chrisvournas) February 17, 2023
Jeffree being conservative was definitely on my bingo card
— 🌾 (@Ellina) February 14, 2023
He’s gonna replace Diamond and it’ll be Jeffree and Silk.
— Erik :: they/them (@thecardsharp2) February 16, 2023
Should anyone else think that non-binary people magically came into existence due to COVID boredom, history has plenty of examples of people who lived outside traditional gender boundaries. These stretch back thousands of years and across different cultures. They include the third-gender waria in Indonesia, India’s hijras (recognized as a third gender in that country) and the fa’afafine in Samoan culture, to name just a few.
Related: Jeffree Star teases photo of new “NFL boo” and now everyone’s trying to guess who the mystery man is
Jeffree Star’s mystery “NFL boo”
Star also used his Bussin’ With The Boys interview to talk more about his mysterious “NFL boo”. In recent weeks, he posted photos of himself with his alleged new beau but concealed the man’s identity.
In one image, they held hands on a plane. In another image, the mystery man had his back to the camera.
His team didn’t make it to the #SuperBowl but he’s 6’6 and plays perfect in the bedroom 🧡 pic.twitter.com/fNKUY4MHi0
— Jeffree Star (@JeffreeStar) January 30, 2023
On Sunday, Star appeared to reveal the man to be Lewan in a TikTok video to promote his upcoming guest appearance on the podcast.
@jeffreestar Who’s ready for #Superbowl Sunday?? 🏈 #nfl #jeffreestar #arizona #boo #beauty ♬ Forever – Labrinth
Star and Lewan are not in a relationship. Lewan is married to a woman. He posted Valentine’s messages to his wife, Taylin, this week.
On social media, Lewan denied he was the man in the original photos. They have different haircuts. Star also said it was someone else.
.@JeffreeStar Wyoming boo is still on the loose.
Bussin episode 201 is out now watch/listen here ⬇️https://t.co/2vm8TXiOhB pic.twitter.com/n9szl0Axu9
— Taylor Lewan (@TaylorLewan77) February 14, 2023
LumpyPillows
Never thought Jefferee would agree with me on anything. Alternate pronouns are a fine example of self aggrandizement. Literally had some deranged woman insist I call her “Sir” because it was her pronoun. Good news is this fad has peaked and is collapsing back in on it’s entitled, self-important roots in some gender studies teaching assistant’s cubby hole at NYU, where I’m sure she still cowers under her “Defeat the Patriarchy” poster.
LeBlevsez
“Sir” equals ‘deranged’.
Got it.
talullah-xo
I replied to your comment on another’s comment. You said that some cultures are/were cannibals and just because someone believes something doesn’t make it right. I politely suggest you read my reply 🙂
thebaddestbabby
I agree with Jeffree. Also, the anthropological concept of “third gender” people deserves some real scrutiny
Manray
Maybe you’re just really ignorant?
In addition to the Hijra, the fo’afafine, etc.
There’s also the Ka Toi, in Thailand, the Muxe in Mexico, and among the American southwest tribes there were 87 that had Berdache as spiritual leaders and healers. Seems a pattern and anthropology is not a field you have expertise in.
If you look it up there’s a great documentary narrated by Gore Vidal.
thebaddestbabby
the point I’m making is that it’s not clear why all of those different people (some of whom are very poorly documented) should be lumped together under the category “third gender”
we’re talking historical peoples (no longer around) and people who are still around but live in different societies/parts of the world. “third gender” is a vague, catch-all scholarly term for anyone with a non-normative gender presentation, which is now a lot of different types of people, and even more types if you consider history.
case in point: are trans women female (in binary gender system) or a third gender? there’s a lot of disagreement between trans people and allies, not to mention bigots
still_onthemark
@Manray: Yes, I’ve read for years about the berdache (for example) among southwest Native Americans and about comparable “third gender” examples around the world. BUT – did any of these cultures make room for what we would now regard as cisgender GAY people?
I realize that mainstream Western culture didn’t begin to make room for cisgender gay people until the 1970s. But it finally happened and now we’re trying, rather suddenly, to fit the third gender stuff into an already-established framework.
The cultures with stylized “third gender” roles were making a rudimentary acknowledgement that homosexuality exists in some fashion, but none of them wanted ordinary homosexuality to rock the boat too much. Let’s not get carried away.
(I recall having a conversation about this with a studly Navajo at a gay bar in Albuquerque, but as the night ended with way too many beers and a lot of wild sex, I can’t remember much of what we agreed upon.)
LumpyPillows
anthropological concept of “third gender”…
Some of these cultures are/were cannibals too. Just saying. Because a society believes something doesn’t mean it’s correct.
still_onthemark
@Lumpy: There’s a tribe in New Guinea or thereabouts who have an interesting coming-of-age ceremony. When a boy gets to a certain age, he has to perform fellatio on his own father and he has to swallow! Or else he’s not a man. Wow. (Not sure if those are the same folks who ate Michael Rockefeller.)
talullah-xo
@LumpyPillows the cannibalism comment is showing even more ignorance lol. What’s “right” is culturally specific. Cannibalism isn’t socially acceptable in western culture, so you think that means it’s wrong across the board? Look up Webs of Significance – Geertz. There are spiritual reasons for the cannibalism practiced by indigenous tribes, which are significant and important to their culture. It’s nothing to do with just loving eating humans. In fact, mortuary cannibals find it repulsive. However, it’s about honouring the dead and by consuming them – and therefore part of their soul (since it’s shared amongst close friends and family) – it’s making the deceased person “part” of them. They live on through them.
The point is, you can’t discredit another culture’s beliefs or practices purely because they’re different/not acceptable in your own culture. Third genders/genders other than traditional ones aren’t a new concept, and that’s the point people who reference them are trying to make. I also think it makes no real difference to anyone’s life just to respect someone’s chosen pronouns. What difference does it make to me if someone prefers I call them “they”, or “sir”? None. It’s important to that person though, so I’m happy to oblige. It’s not difficult and it’s not going to personally injure anyone to just agree to call people whatever pronouns they want us to lol.
Terry
Unfortunately, gay men aren’t allowed to have opinions that don’t line up with mainstream – and we aren’t allowed to even discuss these topics. I agree with this article, that this guy is just saying it for attention. But I also live in Weho and have plenty of truly honest conversations with people who agree that non-binary and they/them is mostly attention seeking. See Demi Lovato et al.
thebaddestbabby
Themi Lovato
Terry
Btw I also have many lesbian friends who feel a great deal of pressure to not be “butch” and “female” – that they must now be trans or non binary, or not be accepted. Cis women lesbians used to be able to be incredibly butch without this idea that “oh they must be men”. No, cis women can act HOWEVER THEY WANT and still be women.
thebaddestbabby
a lot of the primary evidence for “third gender” people in pre-modern societies comes from short comments by some ship captain in the 1700s about how they saw some men who were acting effeminate. Does this mean they were “third gender”? Or just effeminate men or, in other instances, masculine women?
what if someone saw your butch lesbian friends and said, huh, must be a third gender?
Kangol2
Unfortunately, thebaddest, you’re talking out of your @ss when you say “a lot of the primary evidence for “third gender” people in pre-modern societies comes from short comments by some ship captain in the 1700s.” There is extensive documentation about “third gender” people across the globe and rather than trumpet your lack of knowledge on the topic, just go to the library and start reading a bit more. There are books and films, in case you find one or the other more to your liking.
LumpyPillows
Third gender is a convenient mistranslation. Being a spirit bear is not a gender.
IvanPH
I agree. I mean, even those who call themselves non-binary could not even define what a man and a woman is.
Raphael
Jeffree may be an idiot, but he’s right on this one.
mastik8
His latest bid for attention worked – Queerty did this piece on him and most are agreeing with him.
Ronbo
I don’t know about Jeffree, but I’d like to know more (sorry haters). I grew up with trans friends, I know one trans freak and I know that the people who love them are much more vicious and protective of people who can protect themselves quite nicely, thank you. Those who feel obligated to champion pronouns are rarely trans. When he/she creates the ambiance of man/woman refer to them as man or woman. It’s just simple etiquette and politeness.
If you aren’t trans, stop. Just please stop trying to define people whom you don’t know and have little understanding. It’s reminiscent of white guilt. One can’t change their birthright. Threats, bullying and demands are fascist tools… not helpful for understanding, acceptance or comity.
Tallskin5
You’re lying. “I grew up with trans friends”! BS
thebaddestbabby
@Tallskin5 just cuz someone has experience/insight that is inconvenient for your narrative, doesn’t mean they are lying
abfab
Except when talking about Georgette Santos.
Kangol2
Ronbo, does irony elude you? You write “Threats, bullying and demands are fascist tools… not helpful for understanding, acceptance or comity,” then issue a command for people not to “define” others whom they don’t know and “[about whom you] [sic] have little understanding.” Do you see the irony? You also seem to miss the fact that much of the pronoun usage shift comes from people defining themselves and isn’t imposed by others. I use the pronouns my co-workers request I use, and do not impose any on them.
This is the case for most of the people I know unless they do not know the desired pronouns and resort to the binary he/she. Yet more irony, since your first paragraph completely erases non-binary people too, so you might want to think about that a bit more. Lastly, you give away the game when you talk about “white guilt,” without saying anything about privilege, entitlement, fragility, etc. But I know: “comity.” Mmm hmm.
Ronbo
Kangol seems opposed to simple etiquette and politeness – the golden rule. When individuals present themselves, follow THEIR lead on gender. It’s not up to Kangol to reject the science of gender or genetics. Is that what you intended to say in your attacks?
“Threats, bullying and demands” are indicators of extremists – on both the far left and far right. Kangol seems defensive about his bullying and personal attacks. No one mentioned you Kangol; you seem to carry THAT red flag on your own. Self-identification?
LumpyPillows
I was initially open to the concept of non-binary pronouns until being threatened in a meeting about respecting their pronouns…even before I spoke. So, no, the bullies are thr non-binary. They are pushing a social agenda I do not agree with. You see it every time it comes up .
LeBlevsez
So Lumpy, now tell us about the time you were threatened with a dress code. Hope I can sleep afterward.
LumpyPillows
Is there a reason you are always so toxic? Got a real point on what I wrote? I’ll paint my nails as I wait.
Ronbo
Tallskin obviously doesn’t know me or my history and is ill-informed BUT… willing to lie and attack like an egocentric, self-absorbed hater. These are the people like tRump who prefer to blow up a situation rather than make it work. Trans people make it work. They take lemons and make lemonaide.
I consider myself “gay” but, I slip in and out of gender with almost every thought. It’s natural for people to utilize gender qualities that they admire. I think that some people have shame for this very natural process – causing them to strike out at others. That’s their problem, not ours. Don’t fall into their traps – be yourself and give others the same.
Kangol2
Gayness concerns sexual orientation and is not dependent upon “gender.” A person of any or indeterminate gender can consider themselves “gay”; there are cis and trans and non-binary “gay” people, no?
Ronbo
On second thought haters, don’t be yourself. Be smart. Orientation and gender are the foundation of our community – accept us as we are … without the hate and lies.
LumpyPillows
Rombo, care to take your own medicine?
Tallskin5
‘I consider myself “gay” but, I slip in and out of gender with almost every thought. It’s natural for people to utilize gender qualities that they admire. ”
And you wonder why i think you’re nutty as a fruitbar and call you a liar.
Report to the Psych wing at once. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200
LumpyPillows
Rude comments rarely win a debate.
abfab
Allskin, tell us which WING you were treated in so we don’t go there. Please!
Ronbo
You become our own little tRump! With every post, every lie, every attempt to demean – your true self emerges.
Why? Trumpism is dying.
LumpyPillows
When did Trump come into this conversation?
Ronbo
Lumpy, tRumpism is the need to degrade and demean. Doesn’t everyone understand the “hater” M.O.?
LumpyPillows
Have you been drinking?
LegionKeign
So now rascist jeffree star is someone we should be agreeing with. I don’t care if he is right or not. He is a toxic piece of shit who will say or do anything for clicks.
Oh and I know what his supporters are going to say, but he dated a black dude. I’ve known gays just like him who crave BBC but turn around and talk cash shit about anyone not white and I know some of you know some of them too.
thebaddestbabby
yeah, well, sometimes people who say stupid things also say smart things? ultimately, you should think for yourself and not just agree OR disagree with people because of the type of person they are
LumpyPillows
Yeah, Legion, it is about the idea, not if you like the person saying it.
bachy
I don’t understand Jeffree’s “Dragon Lady” look. Comes off as very sinister, suspect, devious. He’s a famed makeup artist, but this is the best he can come up with?
LumpyPillows
I never understood his appearance. Still don’t.
bachy
He actually reminds me quite a bit of Marilyn Manson.
ddmtl
I agree too! Now to be politically correct, I should not identify as a male but as a “person with a penis”. And YES I’m gay and like other persons with penises.
Kangol2
You get 500 points for showing your age by using the term “politically correct,” which went out of fashion over a decade ago, and not using the new, tiresome term “woke”! Bonus points if you can identify the political ideology that first introduced the concept of “political correctness.” Hint: it isn’t American conservatism or American modern liberalism!
LumpyPillows
Kang – you usually do much better.
Ronbo
Kangoul is just on another superiority hate-streak. We are experiencing his theory that gays can’t be masculine and/or feminine. Where does he get those drugs?
305Ghuy
Ya know, truth be told; I’m (he/him [insert eye-rolling emoji here]) on the same page. As a gay man I don’t get the ‘Origin of the Species’ breakdown to define oneself so specifically. Hell, if you were born with anatomical features that you don’t feel conform to your true identity (gender); and address those features with ‘gender affirming therapies’, why are you now not just male or female? Up-down, front-back, on-off; binaries aren’t states with a ‘value’ merriting some judgement are they? Am I missing something? Before I was ready to acknowlege to the world that I was not dating a person of my opposite sex I would refer to ‘them’ in conversation; but to refer to ‘myself’ as “they-them” is… odd; and overly complicated. It makes about as much sense as being politically ‘independent’. Registered D-emocrat or R-epublican, when you close that close… curtain on election day we are ALL voting independently. “You do you” in your heart and soul. Please stop biting everyone’s heads off just to be recognized with a unique label. While we’re at it, the last time I checked the ‘primary colors’ of the rainbow (ROY G BIV) when blended one way or another gave you any variation you could possibly need. I am not embracing this new LGBTQIA++xyz flag. As an American of obvious African descent I for one already felt included.
thebaddestbabby
agreed! the new pride flag sucks
PoetDaddy
What a loathsome, useless loser. Cancel it before it spreads!
CatholicXXX
Wasn’t he going by “it/thing?”
Donston
It is idiotic for this site to confuse embracing the notion of gender dimensions and gender fluidity with embracing they/them/it. You can embrace sense of gender and feminine/masculine instincts can have dimensions or fluidity without supporting they/them stuff. They’re two different ideas. And yes, I do agree that they/them/it/etc. is probably something we need to leave behind while also understanding that sense of gender and masculinity/femininity are their own spectrum.
Not being a fan of “they/them” however doesn’t equate to feeling the as need to attack people’s identities or sense of self. And there’s definitely no need to show any type of support towards Jeffree. Even if I agree with his basic notion, he still comes off like a douche-bag here. And he’s still a racist, exploitative, attention obsessed, “straight” fetishizing, cringe-y queer.
v6origal97
He’s in the Milo, Kanye, etc. category as far as people who have zero credibility, whether due to their mental instability or simple desire to stay relevant. It was only a few weeks ago he was claiming he was about to name names regarding the illuminati plotting to kill him and spill it all regarding why he packed up and left Hollywood under cover of darkness (when in all likelihood, the dude hired movers, and spent months house hunting, packing, etc). He’s just a garbage human.
Seth
I see a lot of the bottom shelf showed up to support Ms. Star.
LumpyPillows
That hurt my feelings. Lol. Try harder.
Toofie
Who’s paying attention to this garbage person anymore?
LumpyPillows
You.
FreddieW
Never heard of him. But I agree with him. Some of this foolishness is why things didn’t settle down after marriage equality was finally achieved.
Donston
The message definitely matters more than the message here. No matter how much you might be annoyed with them/they, your dislike of it should still not be used to promote hate. And this fool is hyping up how much some Conservatives support him and some old biter queers support him like that’s anything to be proud of. He’s a racist, a douche, an attention whore, a hateful, exploitative, damaged, cringe-y queer. And whenever he’s brought up, that’s should be the main focus not identities.
LumpyPillows
This is just a bunch of personal attacks and throw away hate lines. Do you even bother to think if you might be wrong? Or does your anger drive everything you do?
DBMC
Shouldn’t Jeffree Star be in jail?