Before his death, accused sex trafficker and convicted child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein gave an exclusive interview with reporter James B. Stewart from the New York Times.
The interview happened last year at Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse and was supposed to be on background, meaning that the NYT wasn’t supposed to name him as its source for whatever information was provided during the conversation.
But, now that the guy is dead, the paper has decided that agreement is moot.
In an explosive article published Monday, Stewart explains that during his interview with Epstein, the billionaire was “unapologetic” about his sordid past, including the fact that he pleaded guilty to soliciting prostitution from underage girls and was a registered sex offender.
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In Epstein’s words, “everyone has secrets.”
He also made some disturbing remarks about homosexuality by trying to draw links between it and his own taste for underage female flesh.
According to Stewart:
He said that criminalizing sex with teenage girls was a cultural aberration and that at times in history it was perfectly acceptable. He pointed out that homosexuality had long been considered a crime and was still punishable by death in some parts of the world.
It’s a disgusting comparison made by a disgusting man. Being gay and being a pedophile are nothing alike.
Stewart also claims that Epstein acted as though what he had done was totally normal behavior among super wealthy guys like him:
The overriding impression I took away from our roughly 90-minute conversation was that Mr. Epstein knew an astonishing number of rich, famous and powerful people, and had photos to prove it. He also claimed to know a great deal about these people, some of it potentially damaging or embarrassing, including details about their supposed sexual proclivities and recreational drug use.
Epstein was arrested last month on federal charges for sex trafficking of minors in Florida and New York. Last Saturday, he was found dead from an apparent suicide in his Manhattan prison cell. After an autopsy, the New York City medical examiner’s office said that it needed more information before determining the cause of death.
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rustyiam
A year ago does not = to shortly before his death!
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animatedgifman
This article does not state: “Shortly” before his death, merely ‘Before’ his death (and frankly, it’s a good thing this journalist did interview him *before* his death and not after or it would have been a pretty one-sided conversation) …
truthseeker
@animatedgifman
It did say “shortly” earlier today until Queerty edited it. Just look at the URL for this story, it says “shortly”
Rock-N-RollHS
QTY couldn’t wait to find a way to turn Epstein into clickbait.
I had sex with older men when I was a teenager. Never felt exploited or abused.
Bromancer7
And yet it’s still rape.
Cam
So are you trying to say that the 13 year old girls who said they were raped by Epstein shouldn’t be listened to because you apparently slept with people older than you?
Chrisk
I guess it depends on your age and the age difference at the time. No adult should ever target any kid under 18 for sex. Really does sound like you’re trying to excuse rape.
WashDrySpin
I had sex with older men when I was a teenager. Never felt exploited or abused.
because this is NOT about you…as hard as it is for you to understand…also your small and confused and abused brain normalized this criminal behavior which out in the real world where well adjusted people live; we and the law call it RAPE
Rex Huskey
i did as well and I LOVED IT!!!. there is much to be understood about all this. not just this case but intergenerational sexual activities. rape=intercourse by force. defining force is what all this metoo, catholic church and boy scout issues have in common. it’s unfortunate …for the best love I ever felt in a relationship was when I was 15 and he was 35. i am a better man now for having that love then.
WashDrySpin
@Rex, you were groomed and you were raped…now you think it was normal…
Kaaper
It was still legally rape. And they groom you to think it is consensual. Even if you initiated it, he had already groomed you for that. No normal adult would have sex with a minor. I have seen minors (teenagers) that I think are attractive, but I would slit my own throat rather than lay a hand on one!
MISTERJETT
so???? it’s still statutory rape.
djmcgamester
Did you have a choice in the matter? If yes, then this is an _entirely_ different situation. These girls were not there willingly. This is the equivalent of a woman choosing to have sex with a man or being raped at a frat party. By your logic, they’re equally acceptable.
RIGay
All I read is that the slime bag is looking to justify his actions.
Doug
Exactly. I don’t think his comment was particularly shocking.
Hussain-TheCanadian
I wonder who killed him and how.
Chrisk
@truthseeker
That makes as much sense as Trumps theory of Hillary killing him. Yeah, maybe it was some libtard plot. Yeah, that’s it. Lol He raped little girls and had lots of accomplices to it. Maybe start there.
truthseeker
Strange my comment was deleted
Those were his accomplices by the way
truthseeker
@Chris K
In case you were unaware, Ghislaine Maxwell’s dad worked for Mossad. Plus, look up Rachel Chandler. She’s some unknown teen who has flew in private jets with Bill Clinton and Nat Rothschild. She currently runs a “”modeling agency””
Then look up Les Wexner who gave Epstein his $77m mansion for free. Look into Wexner’s ties to MEGA, which is tied to Mossad
Hussain-TheCanadian
I’m just wondering if he squealed to the FBI about the dirt he knows about “very powerful people” and if he was murdered by the guards or his cell hubby?
Hussain-TheCanadian
@truthseeker
You’re suspecting that the mossad killed him?
truthseeker
@Hussain
Allegedly his cell buddy was bailed out the previous day. I wouldn’t rule out that Mossad played a role in his death in an indirect way. Supposedly his attorney said a week before his death that Epstein was going to cooperate for a lighter sentence. I’m guessing the powers that were funding his blackmail / trafficking operation stopped that by killing him
ShiningSex
HE KILLED HIMSELF. CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE MADE BY MORONS WHO CAN’T GET OVER THAT HE WAS LEFT ALONE FOR A LONG PERIOD AND WAS NOT ON SUICIDE WATCH ANYMORE. HE’S DEAD, WHO CARES?
IF ANYONE HAD ANYTHING TO DO IT WOULD BE TRUMP. HE HAD MORE TO LOSE THAN ANYONE. THE CLINTON CONSPIRACY IS SO STUPID, IT’S FUNNY.
truthseeker
@ShiningSex
Why would he kill himself though? From interviews and court statements, it is obvious that this was a man who didn’t care. He could’ve killed himself in 2008.
Plus many people care as you can see in the comments on here because Epstein was a “concierge” of sorts to connect powerful people with their fetishes for underage girls, which he and Ghislaine would film and store on computers. He sold the girls for money as shown in court docs, but why film it too? Because he was selling the information to entities bigger than himself for their blackmail purposes.
So far, you’re the only person I’ve encountered online, that includes people from the left and the right, who thinks nothing suspicious happened here and he just killed himself just because
Cam
Epstein’s comments show that he was defending pedophilia, and yet nobody did anything. Trump joked that he liked “really young girls”…
Everybody knew what this guy was doing. And since it’s pretty obvious he wasn’t a financial adviser, it looks like most of his money came from blackmailing people. Nobody just GIVES their financial adviser a $60 million dollar townhouse for no reason.
Rex Huskey
shut up fool
truthseeker
Strange that when I mentioned he was blackmailing people on behalf of a foreign government, my comment was deleted
Cam
@Rex Huskey
Hmmm, the same account that always defends Republican bigots, is angry because of my post attacking Jeffrey Epstein. It makes sense a Republican troll account would want to protect a child rapist.
ShiningSex
@RexHuskey,
Trumptards are just self loathing morons.
InktPunk
“Underage female flesh”? You spelled child wrong.
Rex Huskey
ephebophilia
Kaaper
You are evil, sir.
dwes09
He is evil for using the proper term for what Epstein was? That is not a particularly bright comment.
By all evidence Epstein was not a pedophile, but in fact an ephebophile and hebephile. Pedophiles lose interest in children when those children develop secondary sexual characteristics and usually will abuse both boys and girls.
dwes09
I should add that Huskey, though correct in his use of the term , does seem to be defending Epstein in other comments which i most certainly am not. The only reason I feel bad that he is dead is because we are now less likely to find out the misdeeds of those he pimped to.
If he did not actually kill himself, evidence will likely disappear before it can be examined.
Chrisk
I love how all the homocons are coming here to defend pedophilia. It really is about having power over the overs which is exactly what they’re all about.
Kaaper
I agree with you!
dwes09
Epstein was not a pedophile. It is way worse than what he was in many ways. Pedophiles go for boys and girls who have not yet developed secondary sexual characteristics. Ephebophiles and hebephiles go for specific genders, and like them in puberty or just after.
Pedophilia is horrific. The other two simply incredibly neurotic.
Pedophiles ALWAYS rape and sexually abuse.
In the case of the other two it is somewhat of a grey area which is why judges are given a great deal of discretion in statutory rape cases where there are not also charges of trafficking and assault (which there were in Epstein’s case).
Mr C
Who cares? HE IS DEAD!
Rex Huskey
his millions are very much alive
dwes09
People care because he represented a chance to identify and take down other evil ruling class folks. Also people are fascinated by sociopathic creeps like him.
tjack47
I couldn’t care less what this pedophile said. I am conflicted about some of the statements here. Firstly, I was sexualized at age 6. At 9, I was doing normal boyhood experimentation with sex. At age 14, I became sexually active and never stopped. I did have sex with a 16 year old classmate.
Here’s where it gets confusing for me. At 14, I discovered a cruisy bathroom in a mall dept store. When I found out this was going on, I was off to the races. Childhood sexual assault promiscuity and undiagnosed bipolar disorder with the symptom of hypersexuality were crashing together in an explosion of sexual behavior.
No matter how you may feel about it, this is where I feel there is judgement and pressure to conform to “societal norms”.
I began having sex with adult men at 14. I loved it. I pursued it with seduction and by being provocative. I know what I wanted, and I did everything I could to get it. There’s also the fact I was and am 6’6″ tall, even with my baby face that got carded until age 30, I don’t know if they knew I was under age or not. I don’t and didn’t care if they did.
The age of consent in Texas is 16 yo. I’ve had therapy, general and from a sex specialist. I’ve been to a sex addict’s sex therapist. I have a psychiatrist, take meds, do treatment and have support. Still, I feel minors are so different. I was hyper mature due to family dynamics at that age. I was highly intelligent. I still believe I had the ability to consent. This man did things to minors against their will. That’s not my story.
winemaker
Good thing this no good worthless piece of SHIT’s gone. Saved the taxpayers the costs of trial and incarceration.. The only miscarriage of justice if you will, his victims won’t get the satisfaction of seeing him tried, convicted and imprisoned. Interesting fact, another friend of silly ‘billy’ clinton, one of the guests at his ‘pedophile island’, wow.
Kangol2
He was also a close pal of Don the Con Drumpf.
Epstein repeatedly claimed he introduced Drumpf to Melania.
Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who has credibly alleged she was passed around as an underage woman and forced to have sex to Alan Dershowitz, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, George Mitchell, Glenn Dubin, etc., supposedly met Epstein at Drumpf’s Mar-a-Lago.
The day before Epstein was allowed to kill himself, Glenn Dubin and Drumpf were shown, by released flight manifests, to have flown together on Epstein’s plane.
Drumpf is captured on video and in still photographs with Epstein multiple times.
Drumpf was Epstein’s pal long before Epstein met Clinton. He even said the notorious child sex trafficker was a “great guy” and had a thing for women on the younger side.
Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s consort, lover, and alleged procurer, was friends Ivana Trump back in the 1990s, long before Maxwell or Epstein met the Clintons.
Lastly, a woman claimed that when she was 13, Drumpf forcibly raped her as Epstein watched on. There was allegedly a second witness, another young woman. The alleged plaintiff dropped her suit after receiving multiple death threats.
novadude
Saving the costs of the investigation and trial has an upside but some justice for the victims (like an actual criminal conviction) would have been nice.
As to him offing himself, it’s well known that prison doesn’t go well for child predators and since such people are sure to be cowards that seems to fit.
It’s worth noting that not all of the investigation should vanish. There was at least one allegation of conspiracy (others working to hide known criminal activity) and, by definition, a conspiracy requires more than one participant. So there’s no logical reason for those investigations to stop just because one of the accused dies.
I wonder what other notable people visited the private island, beyond Clinton and Trump.
truthseeker
@Kangol2
But in Giuffre’s court docs that leaked, she said Trump never was involved in these encounters, Trump never visited the island, and Trump never was at any of the Epstein residences during the 4 years she was a slave
Plus her attorneys have went on record saying Trump was the most helpful and most forthcoming when they needed information
Rather than getting to the bottom of this rabbit hole, you’re trying to play politics
Kangol2
@Truthseeker, I gave you a list of Drumpf’s verified connections to Epstein. You addressed none of them. NONE.
He may never have had sex with Roberts Giuffre, but his ties to Epstein are extensive. Do you deny that?
Also, he claimed he was not on Epstein’s plane, but the flight manifests show otherwise. Do you know he was never at Epstein’s New York home? Can you prove that?
This is all about politics. Epstein’s ties to Trump, top Democrats, powerful businesspeople, leading academics, other foreign leaders (like MBS), Prince Andrew, and perhaps even foreign intelligence services, appear to be significant. Why did his plane visit the Middle East right before the 2016 election? Why did he have an Austrian passport with a Saudi name on it? He was allowed to commit suicide in part so that he would never have to take the stand again, in open or closed court. That doesn’t mean the cases against his co-conspirators will disappear, but it means he’ll never be the one to say under oath what they did. And that includes Drumpf.
beachcomberT
Once again, no one seems to be mentioning parents and what culpability they have for these assaults. What parent would allow their teenage girl to be a masseuse in a rich man’s house? And Epstein is honest when he says many cultures, including our own, condone older men seducing underage girls. It’s a big theme in most of our fashion advertising and our movie industry. Yes, Epstein should have controlled himself and avoided statutory rape, but there are so many parents out there either ignoring their kids or actively pimping them out through beauty pageants, modeling, movie auditions, talent shows, etc. Hollywood is making billions off these desires.
imhensley
Some distinctions should be made in this discussion. One, is that any time someone has sex with another person against their will, it is rape. On the other hand, you can have sex with someone who is under 18 and it still be consensual. Also, pedophillia is an attraction to pre-pubescent children, while Epstein was having sex with post-pubescent girls, which is more accurately called Ephebophilia. This 15/16 age has been sexually desirable throughout history and across many cultures. People have been married off at 15, sonnets have been written about the beauty of them (both male and female), and NOT in a “beautiful like a flower” kind of way. Even in the 20th century United States, the age of consent has been around this age for many, if not a majority, of the states. For god’s sake, “Summer of 42” was a wildly popular and critically acclaimed movie about a young boy having sex with an older woman. The movie did not frame this relationship as rape, or outside of consent, but rather of fond memories of his first sexual encounter. I can only speak for myself but I had sex when I was 14 with a 21 year old man, and I’ve always considered it a very special moment in my life, not unlike Summer of 42. I was mature for my age, I was completely aware of what I was doing, and I was grateful for the opportunity. Teens aren’t being raped just because they are having sex with someone older. But again, ANY time someone has sex with someone else against their will, THAT is rape. But finding teens sexually desirable is not pedophilia and it is not perverse. “Youth is beauty,” and it’s always been that way.
DuMaurier
Obviously his comments were off-base; homosexuality was (and is, in too many places) condemned and outlawed for irrational reasons that have nothing to do with preventing harm; age of consent restrictions are a rational means for protecting vulnerable persons from abuse.
THAT said, the headline is just as click-baity awry. It sounds like Epstein said gays were horrible and/or should be persecuted; what was “chilling” was not what he said about homosexuality but what he said about sex with teenagers (every site other that Queerty I’ve seen is correctly framing it that way) And although I personally think the age of consent should be 18, because that’s when (in this country, anyway) we attain legal autonomy and “power” over ourselves, the suggestion that anyone over 18 having sex with someone under that age is a “rapist”–which is what some posts are implying–is nuts. That’s not the law in most places, and it’s not accurate psychologically or “morally”. When it comes to age differentials it’s easy to say when the situation is obviously and in all cases unacceptable and (hopefully) criminal; but away from the obvious cases there’s a lot of gray.
mancheeks64
As sick as it is…and it is sick (pedophilia) he was right. We all know that homosexuality was in the DSM as a mental illness…then they got smarter. And as SICK as it is in the ancient age sex with children was “the thing to do”. Then we got smarter. It is sick and sad to think in some countries that this could be legal. I can’t think of one, but I don’t want to really.
Ronbo
I believe that “racism” may one day be considered a mental disorder … a disease.
Ironic that homosexuality is being recognized as normal human behavior and the racists are now the disease. Sweet irony!
screwtop
Hmm – well my reaction came listening to Dumbo Tramp. Everything that man says is a lie – so when he says the Clintons must have bumped off Epstein, there’s a strong reason to think Dumbo was involved, instead.
One suicide guard falling asleep, if he was the only one on watch – yeah, maybe, and I still believe in the Easter Bunny, too. But BOTH of them? Get real !!!!!
Bet you nobody ever finds anything, and the whole stinking mess gets swept under the carpet. It’s election year, after all.
nitejonboy
A. Trump killed him.
B. I hope he’s burning in hell.
Nuff said.
woodroad34
Looks like he had his own NAMBLA ideology and club going on there. I guess that’s really the only gay comparison.
GayEGO
When I was a kid, other boys and I fooled around, we did not name it, we just enjoyed it!