It’s a bullshit study, their methodology was wrong. here read the following…
“Professors James Enstrom and Lester Breslow found that members who don’t smoke, attend church weekly, have 12 years of education and are married had the lowest total death rates and the longest life expectancies ever documented.
“The life expectancy for the males was 84 years, and for the females it was 86 years,” Enstrom said.
That’s more than five years longer for women and nearly 10 years longer for man than the national average.”
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Ok, so what they were doing was talking about ONLY Mormons who don’t smoke, are married, AND have at least 12 years of education, and are then comparing them against the overall national average, that INCLUDES people who smoke, aren’t married etc… Look, good for the Mormons who fit that catagory, but their P.R. machine is now trying to come out and say that being Mormon will make you live longer, and no, being educated, not smoking and being married will tend to make you live longer. Nice try with twisting those stats Mormon Propoganda machine…better luck next time. (And Queerty, let me just guess who sent you this article.)
in a religion that bans smoking, drinking, caffeinated drinks, and pre-marital sex, I could see them living to be very old. Less toxins in the body means less chance of disease. The angry commenter above need to realize that their anti-LGBT stnaces aren’t prolonging their lives, and not get in a huff like this. If we all stopped drinking and smoking and doing drugs, then also cut out non-monogamous sex and coffee, we’d be some old ass homos too!
No. 5 · Tommy
in a religion that bans smoking, drinking, caffeinated drinks, and pre-marital sex, I could see them living to be very old. Less toxins in the body means less chance of disease. The angry commenter above need to realize that their anti-LGBT stnaces aren’t prolonging their lives, and not get in a huff like this. If we all stopped drinking and smoking and doing drugs, then also cut out non-monogamous sex and coffee, we’d be some old ass homos too!
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Nice try Mormon Troll, but what you did was again ignore the point of what I wrote, you did what you Mormons always do and play the victim. Again, what I pointed out, is that the study is comparing ONLY those Mormons who don’t smoke, or drink, and have over 12 years of education against the overall stats of the entire country including people who DO smoke, Drink, and are uneducated. for it to be a valid comparison they would need to compare it against only other Americans who don’t smoke, drink, and are educated.
So I’m sorry if by pointing out the lie I’m somehow “Anti-Mormon”. I guess if you make that your basis to decide that, then the Ten Commandments are Anti-Mormon too for saying not to lie.
Cam, I don’t see your point. What makes Mormons unique among the American population are not just their wacko beliefs, but their prohibition of smoking, alcohol, etc. The study compares the Mormons abstaining from these things (i.e. the ones actually practicing the religion) with the general population. That’s a perfectly valid comparison–Mormons do these things BECAUSE they’re Mormon. Saying they can only be compared to other segments of the population who abstain from the same things would make the entire study pointless.
What you’re saying is a bit like asserting that someone shopping for a new car can’t compare the mileage of a full-size truck to a compact and factor that into their decision.
@ No. 8 · Vman455
“Cam, I don’t see your point. What makes Mormons unique among the American population are not just their wacko beliefs, but their prohibition of smoking, alcohol, etc. The study compares the Mormons abstaining from these things (i.e. the ones actually practicing the religion) with the general population. That’s a perfectly valid comparison–”
Vman455, no, Cam is talking statistics. What you are claiming is a valid comparison isn’t. They aren’t comparing all Mormons with the general population. Many Mormons are divorced, have less than 12 years education, or drink.
They are only taking out Mormons that don’t drink, smoke, and have 12 or more years of education, and not comparing them against the general population that has the same characteristics. This would be a valid comparison if they compared the edited group of Mormons against a similarly edited group of the general population. Or they could compare all Mormons, including divorced, non-educated smoking Mormons, with the entire population. But what they have done here, is self selected a smaller group of people that live particularly healthy lives, and comparing them to a non-alike population in order to try to claim that their religeon is particularly long lived. It is a particularly basic and obvious attempt to twist the data to provide a false result to report.
Biased selection is really fun! Hey, I think my gay cohorts are fucking WARRIORS. Anyone gay and over 50 has lived through an amazing amount of physical danger, psychological torture, and microbiological attacks. I would like to see some milk toast Mormon last a week in my life.
@ScottDC: I still don’t understand. I grew up Mormon and, since I’ve never been ex-communicated or officially had my name expunged from church records, I’m still technically a Mormon even though I haven’t attended church or lived by its tenets for nearly a decade. Are you arguing that I and people like me should have been included in this study as “Mormon”? I am clearly not representative of what their church believes or teaches (which is what makes Mormons distinct from the rest of us). It seems to me that in a study comparing the effects of religious teachings and lifestyle on longevity, it would be not only valid but expected that data from members who do not adhere to the teachings and lifestyle be left out.
No. 11 · Vman455 wrote, “@ScottDC: I still don’t understand. I grew up Mormon and, since I’ve never been ex-communicated or officially had my name expunged from church records, I’m still technically a Mormon even though I haven’t attended church or lived by its tenets for nearly a decade.”
The actual point is that you want to keep all variables except being a Mormon constant in a comparison. Not drinking, etc., can reduce various risks and increase your lifespan, but you don’t have to be a Mormon to do that.
AlanInSLCUtah
Just because they live longer does not mean they live more. It is quite the opposite…IMO.
Cam
It’s a bullshit study, their methodology was wrong. here read the following…
“Professors James Enstrom and Lester Breslow found that members who don’t smoke, attend church weekly, have 12 years of education and are married had the lowest total death rates and the longest life expectancies ever documented.
“The life expectancy for the males was 84 years, and for the females it was 86 years,” Enstrom said.
That’s more than five years longer for women and nearly 10 years longer for man than the national average.”
—
Ok, so what they were doing was talking about ONLY Mormons who don’t smoke, are married, AND have at least 12 years of education, and are then comparing them against the overall national average, that INCLUDES people who smoke, aren’t married etc… Look, good for the Mormons who fit that catagory, but their P.R. machine is now trying to come out and say that being Mormon will make you live longer, and no, being educated, not smoking and being married will tend to make you live longer. Nice try with twisting those stats Mormon Propoganda machine…better luck next time. (And Queerty, let me just guess who sent you this article.)
Sam
Staying away from alcohol and caffiene (perhaps especially caffiene) will do that for a person.
I just wish they’d figure out that it’s possible to live healthily and not be bigoted simultaneously.
Jerr Bear
I’m betting the average 35 year old queer had more of a life than most of them… or something to that effect.
Tommy
in a religion that bans smoking, drinking, caffeinated drinks, and pre-marital sex, I could see them living to be very old. Less toxins in the body means less chance of disease. The angry commenter above need to realize that their anti-LGBT stnaces aren’t prolonging their lives, and not get in a huff like this. If we all stopped drinking and smoking and doing drugs, then also cut out non-monogamous sex and coffee, we’d be some old ass homos too!
Cam
No. 5 · Tommy
in a religion that bans smoking, drinking, caffeinated drinks, and pre-marital sex, I could see them living to be very old. Less toxins in the body means less chance of disease. The angry commenter above need to realize that their anti-LGBT stnaces aren’t prolonging their lives, and not get in a huff like this. If we all stopped drinking and smoking and doing drugs, then also cut out non-monogamous sex and coffee, we’d be some old ass homos too!
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Nice try Mormon Troll, but what you did was again ignore the point of what I wrote, you did what you Mormons always do and play the victim. Again, what I pointed out, is that the study is comparing ONLY those Mormons who don’t smoke, or drink, and have over 12 years of education against the overall stats of the entire country including people who DO smoke, Drink, and are uneducated. for it to be a valid comparison they would need to compare it against only other Americans who don’t smoke, drink, and are educated.
So I’m sorry if by pointing out the lie I’m somehow “Anti-Mormon”. I guess if you make that your basis to decide that, then the Ten Commandments are Anti-Mormon too for saying not to lie.
Hyhybt
It only *seems* like longer.
Vman455
Cam, I don’t see your point. What makes Mormons unique among the American population are not just their wacko beliefs, but their prohibition of smoking, alcohol, etc. The study compares the Mormons abstaining from these things (i.e. the ones actually practicing the religion) with the general population. That’s a perfectly valid comparison–Mormons do these things BECAUSE they’re Mormon. Saying they can only be compared to other segments of the population who abstain from the same things would make the entire study pointless.
What you’re saying is a bit like asserting that someone shopping for a new car can’t compare the mileage of a full-size truck to a compact and factor that into their decision.
ScottDC
@ No. 8 · Vman455
“Cam, I don’t see your point. What makes Mormons unique among the American population are not just their wacko beliefs, but their prohibition of smoking, alcohol, etc. The study compares the Mormons abstaining from these things (i.e. the ones actually practicing the religion) with the general population. That’s a perfectly valid comparison–”
Vman455, no, Cam is talking statistics. What you are claiming is a valid comparison isn’t. They aren’t comparing all Mormons with the general population. Many Mormons are divorced, have less than 12 years education, or drink.
They are only taking out Mormons that don’t drink, smoke, and have 12 or more years of education, and not comparing them against the general population that has the same characteristics. This would be a valid comparison if they compared the edited group of Mormons against a similarly edited group of the general population. Or they could compare all Mormons, including divorced, non-educated smoking Mormons, with the entire population. But what they have done here, is self selected a smaller group of people that live particularly healthy lives, and comparing them to a non-alike population in order to try to claim that their religeon is particularly long lived. It is a particularly basic and obvious attempt to twist the data to provide a false result to report.
Fitz
Biased selection is really fun! Hey, I think my gay cohorts are fucking WARRIORS. Anyone gay and over 50 has lived through an amazing amount of physical danger, psychological torture, and microbiological attacks. I would like to see some milk toast Mormon last a week in my life.
Vman455
@ScottDC: I still don’t understand. I grew up Mormon and, since I’ve never been ex-communicated or officially had my name expunged from church records, I’m still technically a Mormon even though I haven’t attended church or lived by its tenets for nearly a decade. Are you arguing that I and people like me should have been included in this study as “Mormon”? I am clearly not representative of what their church believes or teaches (which is what makes Mormons distinct from the rest of us). It seems to me that in a study comparing the effects of religious teachings and lifestyle on longevity, it would be not only valid but expected that data from members who do not adhere to the teachings and lifestyle be left out.
B
No. 11 · Vman455 wrote, “@ScottDC: I still don’t understand. I grew up Mormon and, since I’ve never been ex-communicated or officially had my name expunged from church records, I’m still technically a Mormon even though I haven’t attended church or lived by its tenets for nearly a decade.”
The actual point is that you want to keep all variables except being a Mormon constant in a comparison. Not drinking, etc., can reduce various risks and increase your lifespan, but you don’t have to be a Mormon to do that.