Looks like the Mormon Church has a spy amongst their ranks. Some anonymous source has leaked a whole bunch of footage of internal meetings of top officials from between 2007 and 2012, and as it turns out church leaders are exactly as nuts as you thought: they’re convinced that there’s a gay conspiracy in the media, because of course they are.
As with most leaks, some of the material is pretty dull. But then there are the juicier bits: conversations about marijuana, the age at which to marry, the movie Pirates of the Caribbean, and how the religious officials plan to influence politics. There’s also lots of conversation about homosexuality, a topic of some obsession for many Mormon leaders.
For example, they were particularly fascinated by Chelsea Manning. And at least one official, Dallin Oaks, said that he’s convinced the news media conspires to cover up negative information about gays. Officials also expressed suspicion that Manning and Julian Assange are gay.
Speaker: There was, Elder Oaks, initially a concern of the possibility that he had been reprimanded for homosexual issues. But that was not in the news afterwards. He is, I think, openly homosexual. And the reports were, as Elder Cook was mentioning, that his companion left him and he became depressed, and that seems, based on his Facebook writings, one of the features that caused him to do what he did.
Dallin H. Oaks: The reason I ask the question is not related to this presentation, but I’m suspicious that the news media cover up homosexuals when it would work to the disadvantage of the homosexual agenda and so on. I just wondered if there was some of that in this.
Speaker: My own sense is that when you listen to this particular man, Julian Assange, the rhetoric is surely a nice idea that there should be freedom of information. But when you listen to him and you get a feel from him you get much more of the anarchist than the freedom fighter.
M. Russell Ballard: Is he gay?
Speaker: I don’t know. He was under indictment as you’re alluding to for sexual assault but it seemed to be rape charges that he was coming under, not, not for being gay.
Boyd K. Packer: Well, thank you I think! chuckles
Yup, here are your leaders, Mormons: a bunch of old out-of-touch weirdos who still use the term “gay agenda.” They sure seem trustworthy.
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Celtic
Quote from article: “There’s also lots of conversation about homosexuality, a topic of some obsession for many Mormon leaders.” End quote.
There appears to be LOTS of conversation about homosexuality throughout the various faiths, religions and cults. I never cease to wonder at how amazingly interesting homosexuals are to all those presumed straight men (more men than women). They demonstrate a psychology of passionate desire with grave degrees of repressed sexuality. Heaven knows those Mormon boys, all squeaky clean in white shirts and black or navy blue pants could be a tasty morsel for someone — in the cult, no less.
All this focus on gay sex is a sure fire indication there are a lot of homo wannabes out in the world.
Arconcyyon
Medi in the religuion is yes países sede home sede ! they loooking has her has super mega potter gay and gay acessoruion boook missionaryin peace in peace .
customartist
“It would be better to be dead than homosexual”
– Boyd Packer, Mormon Leader (and definitely in the closet)
He BGB
Never heard anything about gays when I was a good Christian until AIDS reared it’s ugly head. That seems to be what threw a stumbling block in front of gays becoming just another group of people. Then religious leaders and politicians found it to be a great way to scare people through their ignorance and fear, into seeing things their way by even rewriting the bubble and putting words in God’s and Jesus s mouths.
Bob LaBlah
I have been out of the closet more years than the majority of you reading this are old. I say from my heart that I do wish “Chelsea” Manning had faced the firing squad for what “she” did. The damage that spoiled attention demanding little queen did to our community is going to come back and haunt us for decades to come. Even behind bars his antics are leaked to do nothing else but bring shame on the community. That prancing little queen has more to do with resistance to gays being in the military even after we have been allowed to serve than anything else. He took an oath to shut his mouth up about what his job was and decided to say the hell with it, I’ll so as I please and I am going to reveal this. Seriously, what good did Manning’s actions do other than cement in the minds of many (including some gays) that our being allowed to serve openly was a mistake?
Chris
@Bob LaBlah: And I say from my heart that I do wish that your heart would grow a few sizes.
IMHO, Chelsea Manning did a service to this country on the par with Daniel Ellsberg’s release of the Pentagon Papers.
cutterq
Many Mormons practice poligamy and don’t believe in abortion. What do you do with the excess males they produce.
1EqualityUSA
Fierce backpack. Folsom Street Fair?
Ogre Magi
Are the leaders of the catholics at the vatacin really any better?
Bob LaBlah
@Chris: And may your hemorrhoids grow to the size of super sized genetically altered cantelopes.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Bob LaBlah: How can you say that bob? Chelsea manning is a hero who exposed the crimes of the bad apples in the american military; she didn’t have to do that, but she risked her safety and freedom to tell the American public of the crimes being commited in their name.
dinard38
WOW!!! That’s a lot of crusty, old white men in that meeting. What’s the combined sum of their ages? 10,000? :-p
David
@Ogre Magi: yes
Bob LaBlah
@Hussain-TheCanadian: “Crimes” such as? This is the only country that I know of. No, it isn’t perfect, but the vast majority of the third world head here to start a new life. They come here and leave the politics at home for the most part. You can’t name a single country in the world, not even yours, that would pass up the opportunity to have our intelligence gathering capabilities and freedom of speech. But there are limitations as to just WHO has to have their right to freedom of speech taken away while they hold their position and “Chelsea” was in such a position. She took an oath to keep her mouth shut and she didnt. She knew the consequences of her actions and did it anyway. She deserves to pay the price.
She would NOT be getting those harmon treatments and such were it left up to me. Do you know of any other military prison in the world that would cater to something like THAT? Isn’t America wonderful.
David
That missionary thing makes me hot. I’d love to invite them in for a 3way.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Bob LaBlah: What are you talking about? What you wrote has absolutely nothing to do with anything; have you not seen the Baghdad air strike video that was released thanks to officer Manning? That video is one of the most chilling piece of evidence on the criminality of some within the american military.
Are you saying murdering civilians in cold blood is not a crime?
scotshot
@Hussain-TheCanadian:
It’s just as much a crime here as it is anywhere else in the world. I appreciate that yes, in the MiddleEast they slaughter LGBTQ, some people seem to forget it happens at pretty good clip in America with the difference here is that civilians areas a rule responsible.
Bob LaBlah
@Hussain-TheCanadian: No matter how you to claim hero for her she is what she is, a traitor who should have been shot. Many gay men find out the hard what that regardless of being able to serve openly, the military is a non=democratic society. You do not ask a man is it ok to send him to his death in battle, you tell him what position to take with his rifle and hold it. The same goes for intelligence. You gather it and shut up because its regarding national security. Its just that simply. If she didn’t like the job she had all the chances in the world to request a transfer. She also attacked two soldiers and was not well liked by her peers.
This kid is a pain in the ass whether in prison or out. And he seems to be very manipulative. He is not worth the trouble he presently is nor the embarrassment for other gays in the military.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Bob LaBlah: It seems to me you have an emotional approach to Duty than a rational and a moral approach. I ask you to rethink your position; after the Nuremberg trials, we westerners agreed that following duty was not sufficient to justify murder.
GayEGO
I recall back in the 1950s, there were several Mormons who like to fool around with boys, they did not label their actions as gay back then.
Bob LaBlah
@Hussain-TheCanadian: So when he releases the info in regards to the military, spies and intelligence gathering the thought has never occurred to you that once foreign powers read it and assessed WHO was leaking information and such their lives were not on the line? You clearly are putting a bra and panties on a man ahead of common sense in regards to the damage that little attention craving drama queen caused. Some of it irreparable.
No, he should have faced the firing squad. But here in the very country he thought he was going to flush down the drain they placed him in prison, give him three meals a day, medical care (obviously) and might even let him out one day. Isn’t America great as to how it treats its traitors, regardless of the embarrassment they are to OUR country and community?
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Bob LaBlah: His opponents were not able to produce one case of a spy be outed, or a life being lost, due to his disclosures; I reckon you can’t produce any examples either.
So what if your government, and military were embarrassed over the crimes that were committing in Iraq and Afghanistan – The public as the right to know what is being done in their name, with their tax dollars – that’s how a free liberal society works.
If the government wants total secrecy when it comes to its crimes, then don’t collect taxes from the people, and declare yourself a dictatorship. Your logic was used by the Nazi officers who oversaw death and murder (beyond the scope of combat) – Saying its my “Duty” to protect murder is insane and immoral.
Bob LaBlah
@Hussain-TheCanadian: “So what if your government, and military were embarrassed over the crimes that were committing in Iraq and Afghanistan – The public as the right to know what is being done in their name, with their tax dollars – that’s how a free liberal society works.”
Any free society owes its freedom to the leaders of the society who protect it. And sometimes that protection HAS to adopt a BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY approach. Israel is a perfect example of that.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Bob LaBlah: Israel is a horrible example of that – Free society does not owe its freedom to its politicians or its military, they owe it to their journalists, their activists, their philosophers, public thinkers, workers and teachers.
To say that the military is the protector of a free society is akin to saying that the fox is the protector of the hen house. “By any means necessary” is a criminal philosophy that did not work for the fascists of Europe, and it sure as hell isn’t going to work for anyone who adopts it in North America.
Bob LaBlah
@Hussain-TheCanadian: ““By any means necessary” is a criminal philosophy that did not work for the fascists of Europe, and it sure as hell isn’t going to work for anyone who adopts it in North America.”
Are you sure about that? Were it not for that mentality here in North America we might have had a second civil war several times here since the last one. The American Nazi Party (Norman Rockwell led it up to his death) was an up and coming force until it was taken down as was the KKK. Neither are what they once were and what is left of them is plagued with so many informants they are considered harmless by FBI standards, or should I say low-to-mid priority.
Imagine had the names of informants been on a few of the lists that Chelsea Manning decided to leak. You do not realize the damage that little queen caused this country and it is sad that you don’t. Open your eyes and understand that YOUR freedom does come with a price. Its sad but true.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Bob LaBlah: I dont know what to tell you bob, its not like im against the Nazis or the KKK being infiltrated, and yes i would be demanding retribution of anyone blowing the cover of the spies infiltrating those criminal organizations.
However there is no example of such spies being outed thanks to Manning.
Bob LaBlah
@Hussain-TheCanadian: The world of espionage is a strange place. I dont thing Jonathan Pollard should have escaped the firing squad after being caught spying for Israel, but he did and was released for “some” reason. Its a world where people are executed and others rewarded, all for being caught. Pollard was served Kosher meals while incarcerated too, by the way. It seems very hard to believe that by now you and others have not figured out that Manning is now more of a reason to keep gays out of the military or sensitive posts after her performance than anything else. He amounts to nothing else but example A, which is exactly how these old men presented the case in this video. The more sickening he gets, the more he gets reported on. I bet the next one will be he wants to wear a thong with his brazier. It too will make the front pages of all newspapers.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Bob LaBlah: So should we do away with whistle blowers?
Bob LaBlah
@Hussain-TheCanadian: Enjoy your day and while your at it look into enrolling in your local community college next semester. A course in political science is offered I’m sure.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Bob LaBlah: I don’t appreciate your rudeness; i’ll keep this reply of yours in mind for the next time we converse – enjoy your day too.
Bob LaBlah
@Hussain-TheCanadian: Its unfortunate that you took it as rude but I am not surprised. It seems hard to believe you tried to argue in favor of what the little twit did while seeming not to see the big picture. And yes, I did enjoy the day.
girldownunder
I’m just so sorry for the poor kids who get caught up in this stuff….
They are gay/bi, confused, & have no where to go.
If they protest, they effectively lose their family.
If they don’t, they lose themselves….
From me to you, lose the family.
Be yourself & find a new family in a friendly community. 🙂