The increasingly meaningless gay conservative group known as the Log Cabin Republicans released a predictable statement, siding with Equality California’s decision to hold off on a Prop 8 repeal until 2012. But what made us laugh was the release’s opening line: “Log Cabin Republicans knows better than anybody the challenge the LGBT community faces in changing the hearts and minds of Californians in our effort to repeal Proposition 8 and restore the freedom to marry to all Californians.” They know better than anybody? That’s an LOL, right? Because won’t the Log Cabin Republicans be, uh, pushing for a Republican (and likely anti-gay) candidate for the White House in 2012?
Log Cabin Republicans Think 2012 Is Ideal To Repeal Prop 8, Elect Republican President
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ksu499
There needs to be polling on the issues that Prop 8 concerns every six months and until the polling shows at least 65% in favor of marriage equality, you do not try to overturn, whether that takes you to 2010, 2012, or 2015. It has been demonstrated over and over that on sensitive subjects that people will tell pollsters what they think the pollster is hoping to hear so they won’t be thought a bigot, but in the privacy of the voting booth, they will vote their true position. You need sufficient padding to account for this. If you go forward based on a small majority, you’ll undoubtedly end up disappointed. Witness the last election.
SFNative
@ksu499:
The last election was lost because we made countless mistakes in our campaign that we could have easily corrected. No matter how long it takes, we will persistently and consistently take to the polls every two years until we win back marriage equality for good. When you’re in a social cultural war, you don’t back down and wait for the right time; you never stop fighting until you win. We need to send a message to the rest of the world that we’re built on courage, not cowardice.
Robert, NYC
Typical Log Cabin response. Why I don’t get is, if a republican takes the White House in 2012, do these apologists really believe a republican president would be in favor of marriage equality in California, let alone support a push to remove Prop. H8? They have to be out of their minds or in denial. Can they name one piece of LGBT equality legislation that their party has authored, co-authored or sponsored and if not, why not if they claim that theirs is now a party of inclusiveness? I can’t name anything they’ve done as a party in our favor.
Andrew
Log Cabin Republicans are the “Blue Dogs” of the LGBT communities.
hand
1 in 4 self-identified gay people voted Republican last year.
everyone is always so shocked by such a novel concept
:rolleyes:
Bill Perdue
LCR and Democrat front groups like EQCA agree on just one thing.
Postpone our struggle.
We have to wonder why EQCA has the temerity to have an opinon at all. It’s not as if anyone is looking to those unelected, overpaid movement hustlers and losers for leadership.
rudy
If it’s held during an election year, it will help Republicans by handing them a wedge issue.
Is the entire state on drugs there?
robert
Its the same tactic that the moderate republicans in the democratic party are doing with health care reform, ergo delay, delay, delay a vote. This is code for “failure”. The same will happen with Prop. H8. I just can’t understand why a civil right’s issue should be put to state referenda, and yet we accept it. Something is very wrong with the system.
galefan2004
Republican DOES NOT mean anti-gay. It just means pro-selfish assed bastard that would rather see poor people starve on the streets than get help from their society while they sit at home with their guns waiting to shoot any poor person that tries to rob them when the choice is commit crime or die of starvation and their are no cops around because their were no taxes to pay for them. Hence, why the Republican party is dieing, in this day and age the majority of the country does not lack the ability to think reasonably. However, as long as the christers are around enough people will always lack the ability for rational thought that the regus will exist.
galefan2004
@robert: Because even though its not right, we still value democracy (majority rules) over civil rights in this country. We always have and we always will.
robert
@galefan2004:
So, applying your argument to the following. What if the majority voted to overturn civil rights for African-Americans and interracial marriage? Would you think its right? To me,that’s the tyranny of a majority over a minority, ditto for Prop. H8. Religion played a huge part in its success.
Republican does not mean “anti-gay”? Hmmmm, as I stated in a prior post, if they’re not anti-gay, why is it that not ONE of them has authored any piece of equality legislation? Why is it so difficult and if they like to think they are a party of inclusivity, let them take the lead for a change to repeal DADT, DOMA instead of the Dems. The fact of the matter is, they won’t because they don’t see our equality as important or as a civil rights issue. If that’s not anti-gay, I don’t know what is. Let them prove they’re not by doing exactly what I am advocating. There are many in the grand obstructionist party of hate and no that don’t even want domestic partnerships or civil unions for those who want them…your darling hypocrite Mark Sanford, governor of SC made sure that no equality legislation became law for LGBT in his state, just as an example. They don’t want gay Americans to be able to sponsor their binational partners for residency, they don’t want us adopting children who are in dire need of a loving home. You still think they’re not anti-gay? Log Cabiners are delusional if they think remaining in the party will help change it from within….which change is that exactly?
bystander
Demonizing people who disagree with you is a pretty poor way to try and win an argument. Republicans are not inherently anti-gay. They believe in setting the same rules for everyone. I am personally offended by people who claim that my worth as a victim is determined by how much an assailant hates me, that’s ridiculous. If republicans started pushing that kind of nonsense i would be extremely disappointing. As for workplace protects, business and companies are pulling far ahead of government on writing non discrimination into their own rules, so why would we want to try to use government to force business to do something its already doing.
The democrats have been very good and carving up the population into groups, convincing them they are victims, and pushing government to fix problems. hows that working for everyone so far?. The dems have absolute control of the government, yet there is no sign of a repeal of DADT much less DOMA or Prop 8. Such reforms will not happen until there is a broader consensus amongst everyone. Republicans certainly have no reason to listen to gay groups so long as they are demonized as much as gay have been demonized by everyone. Dismissing the few groups that are trying to reach out to the other side of the isle is the worst thing the gay “community” could do.
rudy
@bystander: “The democrats have been very good and carving up the population into groups, convincing them they are victims”
Convincing them they are victims?
Tell that to Matthew Shephard’s mother.
epluribusunumjk
Both the republicans and the democrats are a fuckin joke.
They both are pretty much the same on gay rights.
Brian
Politics will never deliver equality for homos. It’s a waste of time, money and energy.
We need to change the “beliefs” about homos. Beliefs we’ve been branded with for 2,000 years. We’re NOT WRONG. Religion is.
Popsnap
I’d never dream of being a Log Cabin or gay conservative (i’m a moderate), but why critize them? We need gay republicans & gay conservatives. It shows that we can’t be grouped in with the liberal tree-hugging hippies.
Also, look at Meghan McCain, she’s very pro-gay. There are Republicans out there who get what “conservative” means: everyone is the same, no more, no less. If they were true to their message, they’d be pushing for marriage to be a religious institution and take the word “marriage” off of lawbooks & replace it with a “civil union” or likewise. It’s very “get the government out of my life”, I disagree with the overall message but it’d be alot more tolerable if they dropped the religious undertones.
Robert, NYC
@Popsnap:
@bystander:
Meghan McCain is not typical of the republican party, in fact she’s in the minority who think her way. Not one republican gay or straight or their apologists can explain why their party has NEVER authored any legislation protecting LGBT people, why? Why if they’re not inherently anti-gay not in the forefront of equality issues if they claim they’re an all inclusive party? How come 30 states voted for DOMA and signed into law by their republican governors and they’re not inherently anti-gay? Why didn’t any of them veto it? Why do the majority of them not want to repeal DADT? Why do they want to prevent gay couples from adopting children? And you think that’s not anti-gay? How naive or is it denial?
Another thing, how can they demonize and denigrate us to make sure marriage equality is never legal and get a free pass without anyone in their party taking them to task over it, yet when the Dems fire back, we’re accused of exactly what they do to us when equality legislation comes up for a vote in the form of hate legislation such as Prop. H8. They are indeed inherently anti-gay, if that weren’t the case, there would be NO referenda to write hate discrimination into state constitutions targeted at one specific group of people.