In an op-ed in today’s New York Post, NOM president Maggie Gallagher opens with, “Do I have blood on my hands?” She’s writing a column about whether she — and people like her, who spew bile about gay Americans — are to blame for the recent string of gay suicides. Of course she doesn’t think she’s at fault.
Major gay-rights groups are saying so. Each of us who opposes gay mar riage, they say, is responsible for the terrible and tragic suicides of gay teens that recently hit the news.
[…] Apparently, either we all agree that gay marriage is good or gay children will die. It’s a horrific charge to levy in response to some pretty horrifying stories. Will gay marriage really reduce or prevent gay teen suicide? I felt a moral obligation to find out. Massachusetts has been tracking gay high school students for a decade using the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Youth Risk Behavior Survey.
It’s not people like Maggie who create a culture of homophobia, you see. It’s that gay teens are predisposed to being the type of people who kill themselves!
LGBT teens were roughly four times as likely as other students to attempt suicide in the last year. They’re also about twice as likely to report being in a physical fight at school, three times more likely to say they were injured by a weapon and almost four times as likely to say they missed school because they felt physically unsafe, compared to other teens.
These kinds of negative outcomes are consistent with the idea that anti-gay bullying is mainly responsible for the higher suicide rate among gay teens. But as I kept reading, I kept finding pieces of the puzzle that don’t seem to fit the “it’s homophobia pulling the trigger” narrative.
Gay students are also more than twice as likely to report having had sexual intercourse before age 13 — that is, to be sexually abused as children. They are three times as likely to report being the victims of dating violence, and nearly four times as likely to report forced sexual contact. A majority of LGBT teens in Massachusetts reported using illegal drugs in the last month. (Perhaps most oddly, gay teens are also three times as likely as non-gay teens to report either becoming pregnant or getting someone else pregnant.)
Forced sex, childhood sexual abuse, dating violence, early unwed pregnancy, substance abuse — could these be a more important factor in the increased suicide risk of LGBT high schoolers than anything people like me ever said?
And why are LGBT teens more at risk for suicide? More at risk for violence in school? Because of comments like Gallagher’s, that normalize homophobia and the mistreatment of queers. Did one thing Maggie said in the past two years trigger a teen to find a gun or rope or a pill bottle and end his life? Nah, probably not “one thing.” But perpetuating a message that gay kids will grow up into gay adults that are undeserving of equality is the very psychological nightmare that makes teens think they have nowhere to go but down.
So yes, Mags, you and your bigot parade have blood on your hands.
Why that lady is a P-I-G Pig. Anyone noticed that she gets fatter by the month. Put down the twinkie Maggie.
Can someone please shoot this fat bitch in the face with a rifle? Please????
Stupid fat sow of a failed human being. Die in a fire.
yes, Maggie, you do have blood on your hands.
And i certainly hope no one shoots you in the face: I want you to live a long time, Maggie. I want you to see the progress gays will make in spite of your ignorance and hate. I want you to see that we will get married, serve in the military, adopt kids and live happily ever after.
We will make this world more tolerant and healthy and leave neanderthals like you in the dust.
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Maggot: You who have a sham of a marriage, your husband travels the world with another man to attend “bridge tournaments”. You have had numerous abortions. Both of which put you at odds with the moral purity you spew. You have the gall to stand and preach moral rightousness????
You are a vile hate spewing bigoted pandering, reprehensive, disgusting, obese,miserable cunt. Satan has a special corner of hell reserved just for you and your ill ilk…….
The telling thing is, though, that the rates of suicide and other troubles drop significantly when a gay teen comes out and finds a support network, like a GSA or something. I think it IS homophobia, Maggie.
Argh, why is she so easy to insult? I try to rise above, but … damn is she easy to insult.
She is pro-family…..why doesn’t she go by her married name? Why is her husband never with her?
And lastly, why did she step down from the top job when somebody wrote an article asking these exact questions…..what are you hiding Maggie?
first off, yes– she is part of the culture that gives the high-five to bullies and makes gay kids feel hopeless. So yes, there is youthful blood on your hands.
But guys, our issues with Maggie are too important to make ourselves seem petty and like bullies ourselves. Yes, she is fat and ugly. But lets take the high road. Our complaints about her are valid.
@Nick: If I can pass a background check, she’s history. In the same section as Nathan Bedford Forrest, Bull Connor, and George Wallace.
“Thou shalt not murder” only applies to gay people in my book.
More to Fitz’s point. How do all the “fat” references add to the discourse? Do you think that she does not know that she is overweight? There are many reasons to abhor her. Is fat one of them?
If you are a kid on the schoolyard and someone shouts “you’re gay”, does responding “oh ya, well you’re fat” change anything? Do you want the blood of a “fat” kid’s suicide on your hands?
When will one of the mothers of these gay teens slap that fat bitch across her fucking face?
You rock Mags! With you 200%!!!
How people such as this woman will go out of their way to deny their complicity reveals her truly evil heart, and the depth of her hate. Wishing her dead is too good, she should live a long and miserable life.
@Avenger: You agree with Maggot because you are a self hating closet case. Believe me, i am sure no one here wants you to be gay but it is quite obvious.
Yes, Maggie you obese slag, you have blood on your salt-swelled hands. It might be barbecue sauce too. Or raspberry jam.
We make fat jokes about the bitch because it’s not nice to point out the sham marriage or her bastard child or her multiple abortions or her gaping lamprey-like face.
We don’t wish death on her– we wish a gay child on her. Then she’d realize that having a gay child is great.
And then we can wish a massive stroke and a long, lingering, painful life of suffering on her. If there is a God, She works in mysterious and ironic ways.
@Soupy: Obesity is a lifestyle choice. Homosexuality is not.
Bullying is wrong. Counter-bullying is not.
@Bareback Cuntessa: That’s hardly a mother you’d wish on a gay child, though. Anyway, I don’t want her to die, or have a stroke… I want her to *repent.* A long shot, but sometimes people do. Would it not be satisfying to see her realize she’s been on the side of evil all along and then work to, as much as possible, undo the damage she’s caused?
That part about pregnancies proves that the information-gathering is flawed.
I would never, EVER wish a gay or lesbian child on someone like Maggie.
We forget that an overwhelming number of homeless youth are members of the GLBT community.
Why are they homeless? Because when they came out, their “loving” families kicked them out of the house and disowned.
Some of these people are filled with hate, and nothing will change that, not even their own children.
“Mrs Srivistav” sure is playing the blame game while trying to justify her own hatered of the gays (and her obbsession with us too). She’s blaming the vict:ims, not the bullies nor the homophobia they learn at home, in church, the internet–much of that feeds off the venom of NOM& related organizations.
Mags also loves to quote statistics, but she doesn’t quote her sources, possibly because she knows they’re sham science.
Mr. Enemabag Jones
<iForced sex, childhood sexual abuse, dating violence, early unwed pregnancy, substance abuse
Did it ever occur to Maggie that these are instances involving OPPOSITE sex? being molested by opposite sex adults. Being abused by OPPOSITE sex partners. This foolish owman is trying to make it seem that gay teens are having gay sex beofre age 13; getting abused by same sex boyfriends/girlfriends. Did she not see the correlation with the stat on getting preggers as a teen?
FAT FCKING F*G-BASHER…I hope she drowns in GRAVEY
OOOOOO!!! I think the community resorting to name calling and bullying tactics is the perfect way to get people to relate to us! For real… if we can’t get the support by being nice, why not do so by being just abhorrant as those who attack us! I’m off to push a straight kid down the stairs now… I’ll let you know how that turns out.
Maggie Gallagher lives and dies by statistics. And we all know about damn lies and statistics. In her book, if gay teens in Mass. are not faring demonstrably better than teens elsewhere, then it can not be statistically proven that legal gay marriage creates a better environment for those young people. And if those same gay teens have other issues (ones that can be statistically documented), well, then that just proves that NOM’s collective hands are clean (and that Maggie’s are spotless now, doesn’t it.
Well, no, not really! A society that recognizes that a segment of its population is homosexual and acknowledges the validity of their relationships will OVER TIME create a safer, more secure environment for young people who find themselves as identifying as LGBT. It’s a help, certainly. But of course, there’d still be bullying and ostracization despite that.
Children of various ethnic and religious minorities still experience bullying, despite the fact that most such groups have made real strides in recent decades. It would be naive to think that just because Jews,say, may be allowed in the country club these days that no Jewish kid is ever going to hear anti-Semitic remarks. Point is, those incidents will become less and less frequent as social tolerance becomes the norm.
Creating a more tolerant society is a stop-start process. There are setbacks as well as “great leaps forward.” And there INTANGIBLES, changes of heart and mind that cannot be readily and clearly quantified, at least not immediately. Does it surprise anyone that less than a decade after gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts, that gay teens there still don’t feel 100% safe or welcome? Not at all. Does the fact of gay marriage in that state help these youngsters to realize that they are valued members of their society? Absolutely?
The stats will catch up eventually. And the Maggies of the world will have to find other justifications for their bigotry.
Maggie may soon be big enough to have her own ZIPcode–or two– but I hope we can focus on her words/actions rather than the volcanic spread of her girth.
On a more serious note: lots of people struggle with their weight. Some choose to get help (e.g. Overeaters Anon., etc.).
Fat kids do get bullied too, so I hate for us to contribute to that sad fact. I’ve never been fat, but some cousins were very heavy and got bullied because of it.
Let’s rise above the obvious taunts and keep her hateful words/ actions the center of attention.
OMG.. This cow was recently at a debate at Yale’s Political Union.. and she wore a skirt.. and this heffer sat up on stage SPREAD EAGLE for the world to see what wanted to eat us all! She’s hardly a lady, and YES.. she DOES have blood on her hands! It’s the exact bile she spews that makes Gay kids feel unloved, immoral, and worthless. SHE is 100% at fault along with Focus on the Family and their ilk.
I was right behind her at Yale.. at the top of the stairs.. and I’m somewhat sorry I didn’t accidentally get shoved and cause a chain reaction. Dirty Farm animals belong nowhere near a stage.. Maggot.
You know who I feel sorry for now? A fat gay kid. Because once the straight kids are done bullying him for being gay, the gay kids can step in and finish him off with fat taunts.
yeah how did that debate go? No news or video from it….?
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To those who question calling this cow a cow:
She is nothing more than a nasty vile bully. Many from our community have attempted to have a dialouge with her all for naught. Jeremey Hooper from Good As You was engaged in an e-mail debate with her. He had posted really nice touching photos of his wedding on his site showing two guys clearly in love and pretty damm happy they had just gotten married. Maggot basically called the wedding a joke and claimed there is no way there could be any joy in those photos nor the ceremony because Gay marriage is wrong basically to his face………
Sorry, for too long we Gays have been societies bitchboys trying to play nice while the strhaters take every cheap shot at us, especially now that their venomus rhetoric has caused so many Gay kids to commit suicide. Fuck her and all the rest of her bigoted hatespewing allies……. Comes a time when ya gotta fight fire with fire
The point that LGBTQ youth do have more sex and more drugs is true. We need to do everything we can to help are youth rise above these serous issues for our community. In that Maggie has a point, being discrimination does encourage dangerous behavior. QUEERS RISE ABOVE!!!
The point that LGBTQ youth do have more sex and more drugs is true. We need to do everything we can to help are youth rise above these serous issues for our community. In that Maggie has a point, being discrimination does encourage dangerous behavior. QUEERS RISE ABOVE!!!”
Where are the stats that show this? Drug use is rampant, there is a shadow economy in Mexico funded by billions in drug sales in the U.S., I seriously doubt that the majority of this money is coming from gay teens.
Yes, Maggie, you do not have blood on your hands. But I am seeing you do have a mouthfull of teengay blood.
Forgive her Father, she knows not what she does or how much damage she does and doesn’t see the hate she spreads by judging others and trying to control them…Forgive her. She is a false Prophet but knows it not!
whoa, I’ve rarely seen a bigger idiot; since George Bush left the stage.
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I just finished reading Maggots full lunatic article in the newspaper. And while it is noted up above, I really didn’t notice it untill I saw it in the full article. She tries to demonize Gay teens as drug abusers, disease carriers, and the usual other garbage but now ……..She spews the following clusterfuck of data:
Gay teen are three times as likely as non gay teens to report either becomming pregnant or getting someone else pregnant..
Not only is this nasty vile cunt a pandering hatefilled bigot. She obviousley needs to run down to the clue store and buy a whole bunch of them because she must not possess a single one……
Maggot: Two boys can’t make a baby, nor can two girls…….Someone who has had multiple abortions should at least know how babies are made………..
@PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS: I don’t know where she gets those #s or if they are real.. BUT…. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that queer kids are more sexually precocious and prone to experiment with drugs. I just don’t think that the REASON is their queerness, but their reaction to living in a world with people like her. Is it any surprise that they act out? Prove that they don’t have the gay by bopping someone of the opposite sex? It’s such a clusterfuck of double-binds to target a kid for their sexuality and then call them sickos for seeking the comfort of sex and drugs.
It’s so pathetic I can’t even be pissed at her. Maggie Gallagher has ice running thru her veins, and it must truly suck to be her.
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@Fitz: I agrees with you bout Gay teens using more, I can see the drugs use by Gay teens may have a higher incidence of usage because as you correctley point out the amount of hatred they see tossed their way by scum like Maggot would give them good reason to get lost in a drug induced haze….
But the 3X numbers of girlies getting preggers by Gay teen boys doing them is so far outta wack it is beyond laughable. Just another random set of numbers the rightwing lunatics wanna toss out there to show the Gay teens are even more reckless and immoral….As horny as I was as a teen, there is no way I could have gotten a boner to bone a girl…. :p
Maggie doesn’t have blood on her hands, she has money IN her hands. Lots and lots of cash she has made by ensuring gays and lesbians are marginalized, demeaned and treated as frightening “others.” NOM’s “gathering storm” ad, Maggie’s own opinion that gay marriage is a “civil wrong” – these things make it obvious what her true agenda is. If NOM cares so much about marriage how much cash are they pouring toward young couples struggling with debt (one of the biggest reasons for divorce)…or why are they not trying to outlaw divorce.
She and her vile organization have repeatedly told gay people of all ages that they are not worthy of love and their commitments are meaningless. And just like FRC and other hate groups, she wants to spread hate and bigotry but refuses to take the heat for her own words and actions.
She’s a hypocrite of the highest order and her actions and words (not her appearance) should be argued. Because she is wrong and one day we will WIN this battle. And Maggie will move on to her next money-making venture.
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@wompman: Sadly you correctly point out that we in fact are cash cows for that fat cow……..
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Robin McGehee already owns Obama and the pussy democrats. When is she going to go after Maggie? We need more getEqual actions that let people know we are not going to be pushed around, instead we are going to fuck you up.
Maggie be warned, Robin is coming for your fat ass.
Donate today: http://www.getequal.com We are leading the way with brut force and clever street actions!
Actually, I would agree with Gallagher that she and her words involving the marriage debate don’t have much to do with the alleged increase of GLBT teen suicide. Realistically, I don’t think the marriage debate consumes much of teenagers’ thoughts to the point that they’d stress over anti same-sex marriage rhetoric to the point of killing themselves. For sure, it fuels it, but in an indirect way.
However, I think Gallagher’s further, and rather, vague assertion that bullying as a result of homophobia is not the culprit (and thus blaming it on GLBT teens’ difficult situations) is a bit suspect. I think the reports of deaths of these children as well as common sense properly leads one to believe that GLBT-targeted bullying among younger ages is really what is driving these kids to take their own lives. Every single story I’ve read involving a GLBT teen suicide mentions on-going harassment, teasing, taunting, name-calling, and sometimes really egregious tactics like physical injury or privacy invasion. To sit there and say that any of those gay teens’ suicides was not a result of unrelenting bullying, and rather their own messed-up state of mind is completely ignoring reality and common sense.
What is happening is these kids are receiving horrible treatment from their peers, these kids get depressed and upset, and then they end their lives. There has always been the bullying ingredient. What makes her explanation all the more perplexing is that none of the kids we’ve seen on the news lately really seem to fall into the categories she mentions. Most of the deceased teens seemed to have good family relationships and supportive friends. There has never been any mention of drug abuse or molestation (i really hate when same-sex rights opponents bust that out . . . GOD!!) in any of these stories. Basically, it’s just bullies going too far. Plain and simple. I think anyone trying to contradict that conclusion is engaging in willful blindness.
I think something else worth mentioning is the demographics of the areas where these suicides occur. I haven’t kept complete track of where these tragedies have happened, but from what I remember, most of the areas where these reported GLBT suicides occurred were in more working class (poorer) areas. This past July, a kid here in Minnesota killed himself. The area he lived in was Anoka, which, no offense to the town and its residents, is a complete and utter shitbox. It is stereotypically white-trash, very industrial, very blue-collar, and very uneducated. I realize it sounds terribly elitist for me to say such things, but it’s the truth. From what I know, most GLBT teens in wealthier areas closer to the city fare much better.
@Cam: No one asserted that the majority of drug users are gay, just that a higher rate of gays than straights use drugs. There’s a difference.
@Vman455: There is a difference… but you haven’t gotten far enough yet: it doesn’t say that “a higher rate of gays than straights use drugs,” either. It says that a higher rate of gays *report* using drugs, etc. That could, of course, be because gays really are more likely to use drugs (for whatever reason; my bet, if it’s true at all, would be on their having more reason to want to because of being looked down on). But it could also be because those who “admit” to being gay are more open to acknowledging other aspects of their lives that are frowned upon.
So then, would it be OK if I launched a decade-long, multi-million-dollar, lie-riddled hate campaign, complete with TV ads and bus tours, to convince the nation that Maggot Gallagher’s sorry existence wasn’t worth that of the primeval slime that spawned her, until she was so distraught by the overt hatred she experienced every single day from total strangers that she killed herself, after which I would just shrug, wash my hands of any responsibility, and say, “Well, she was fucked in the head to begin with”… Would that be OK by Maggot?
Maggie would be nothing without gay people. She is of the breed that points at others to deflect the gaze falling on her and her agenda of hate. these types have existed for years. Propaganda has been the domain of the morally weak for centuries.
Her stand does not glorify marriage she is an apologist for it. Who could blame her when you consider the rates of spousal abuse and child abuse that is carried out within the sacrament of marriage. Let alone the drug use and bullying – hmm sounds familiar. The Gay community is a microcosm of the larger society – we have drug users, Christians, atheists, politicians, soldiers, policemen – they’re all there.
The reality is that so many gay children have chosen to end their lives and the love of their families rather than live in the so called greatest free society on Earth. They were bullied into it, by children acting with impunity because of the disgraceful attitudes expressed directly by Maggie. Yes her organisation is responsible in part, as she is and as we all are, because we still let it happen.
By the way, so far as I can see the people that have left comments are the coolest. Thank you for putting out some sanity.
This is not a gay issue, it’s a human rights issue. Bullying is a hate crime.
She’s bankrolled by the Mormons. Mormonism is founded on the racist white-supremist notion that whites are the race of god and non-whites are the race of the devil. The overwhelming majority of gay people on Earth are non-white; the Mormons know this plain as days. The Mormon leadership is not going to stop; it is like naively expecting the KKK to stop. Since the gay community vastly outnumbers the Mormons, it is ultimately up the worldwide gay community who decide how this ends. Remember the gay community is everywhere, all professions, all skills, all languages, all… everything. Throw in allies and the pool is even larger. The gay and allied community is easily five or more times greater than the entire population of the USA. The gay and allied community simply tolerates crap that other groups would have appropriately responded to long ago. I think the patience of the gay and allied community is profound and extraordinary, but not limitless.
This article sucks – it is a hate blog itself. There is only one quote of what this bitch said the rest are statements of how the writer hates her and puts words in her or other hate mongers mouths…. but this artle is crap and says nothing news worthy!
I’ve looked at the rate of teen suicides over identity issues and it seems that there is a 30% rate of these among teen suicides. This is true from studies in Manitoba, the US and the UK.
Quite independently of who is responsible, this is very worrying.
@PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS: I have been fighting fire with fire since the day I came out. And I will do so until the day I die.
It’s time to make hamburger out of that fat breeder cow. Nuremberg 2.0 can’t come soon enough.
@Hyhybt: Exactly. I wasn’t commenting on that, however, just clearing up Cam’s (perhaps sarcastic?) comment about the majority of Mexican drug money coming from gay teens. Even if every gay person in America was shelling out for hard drugs, there would still be far more straights doing it simply because there are many, many more of them in total.
Yes, of course she is to blame. We have to ask ourselves…..is the boy who killed himself the sinner, or is she the sinner for killing his will to live? Who the hell is she to tell someone that their choice of lifestyle is wrong? He wouldn’t have killed himself had it not been for selfish, evil people like her in the world. Prejudice is a sin, and its wrong: no matter who its against. Words can hurt someone; most importantly they can kill someone’s confidence in themselves. So no, she didn’t physically kill him, she did far worse: she killed his confidence and will to live, and manipulated him using the witchcraft of bullying.
It’s disturbing to me that so many of these comments make fun of this woman’s weight. What’s the difference here? Bullying is bullying, no? Her weight is irrelevant. Her monstrous lack of a soul is the only thing that matters.
Yes, Ms. Gallagher. Surely societal prejudice against gay and gender-nonconforming kids has nothing whatsoever to do with the rates of physical and sexual abuse and rape we experience. Surely societal pressure to he hetero is completely unrelated to our increased teen pregnancy rares. And of course bullying and familial rejection driven by societal privilege, with the accompanying rates of homelessness, poverty, and lack of parental mentoring, is not even remotely connected to our higher substance abuse rates.
No, we do all these things because we’re gay. We have lots and lots of hetero sex, not to try to “cure ourselves” or “prove our heterosexuality” or assuage our feelings of guilt – no, we have lots and lots of unsdafe hetero sex, starting very early, and make babies with people of the opposite sex because we’re gay and attracted to peopel of the same sex. That totally makes sense. And we’re abused by our parents and the adults in our lives, not because our parents harbor the same bigotry and prejudices as the rest of society, but simply because…wait, do you even have an explanation here?
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