I think it was after the Caitlyn Jenner thing and I just said, like, can we just start calling people by their name? You know, not what they do for a living, not what their sexual preference is, not their age, not who they’re related to. It’s 2015. Just say, ‘Hi, I’m Caitlyn.’ ‘Hi, I’m Marc.’ It’s not like, ‘I’m Marc, homosexual Jew from New York. You know, ‘fashion designer.’”
— Fashion designer Marc Jacobs making a terrific point in a T magazine profile
Gothrykke
Don’t worry, Marc, I would rather forget that you’re gay too.
Brian
You know, in a way he’s right.
bottom250
Caitlyn Jenner isn’t identified by her sexuality but by her gender.
Peter McKinney
Oh please.
Nickolas A Lovero
I get what he’s saying…but I usually like to be like “hi, I’m (so and so’s) gay friend nick” just to get it over with, because they will either ask or find out anyway. And I’m not trying to hide it..
Cam
In a perfect world yes, however in today’s world, what Jacobs wants would be similar to gays going back in the closet.
If somebody doesn’t say they are gay, there is an assumption of hetrosexuality.
How about if Jacobs first worries more about the fact that he is a designer who is so insecure that he only dates porn actors and keeps putting near nude photos of himself in his clothing ads.
Ariel Hans Christian
Still would suck his dick..
Speaking of, then ALL dating sights would have to shut down. Bye bye Grindr, Scruff, ManHunt, Adam4Adam…don’t get me started on BDSM or the “straight” folk for Christian Mingle!
seasailor
Didn’t he date one of the biggest gay porn stars and cavort around together half naked for a few seasons to reinvent his label?
Zekester
Two points.
1) Why is the inaccurate and offensive 1980’s term “sexual preference” rearing its ugly head again? I’ve been hearing it more and more lately; and
2) Keep in mind that this is the same man, who when caught posting pictures of his junk on Twitter, apologized and said “I’m a gay man, that’s what we do”. So, in Jacobs’ mind identifying as gay as a source of Pride and visibility is a bad thing but identifying as gay as an excuse for something you feel the need to apologize for is A-OK.
Got it!
AtticusBennett
you can’t get to step 20 without taking steps 1-19.
and steps 1-19 include all of us gay people OWNING it,, claiming it, identifying as it, being visible and vocal and PROUDLY OUT AS GAY MEN.
that way it changes the stigma; being gay is no longer seen as a negative. then, and only then, will “not being identified by sexual orientation” be a possibility. we have to identify as it first, and end bigoted closet culture. that’s how it works.
Cam
@Zekester:
Great point!
Billy Budd
*some* labels are important. I am called Doctor Billy for a reason. Five years doing research abroad.
Masc Pride
Totally agree with Marc. Labels are limiting and often constrict individuality. Unfortunately, a lot of guys have chosen to let sexual preference dictate their whole identity. However, Marc hasn’t factored in that people like “Caitlyn” (and also Michael Sam) have CHOSEN to make their labels all that anyone really knows about them.
Octavio Roca
He should put his money behind anti-discrimination legislation then.
Japultra
I’m here, I’m queer. Get over it.
Desert Boy
I think the culture is headed that direction. When I introduce my husband to people, I just say and “this is my husband __________, and not, “I’m gay and this is my partner”.
Desert Boy
@Zekester: I had totally forgotten about this. Jacobs certainly wasn’t speaking for me. I don’t have a Grindr account (I think this is where people post pics of their junk?), so his sweeping generalization was just inaccurate.
Avery Alvarez
I think it’s a bit pollyanna to think that will happen now or soon.
There’s still so much hate and discrimination based on sexual orientation.
When it’s not a big deal, maybe then people can stop worrying about it.
Stephen Scott
Says the egotist that obnoxiously puts his own name on everything he designs .
Curty
Never have liked this guy. Sexual preferences? Hey dumbass its orientation. Bisexuals have preferences.
AtticusBennett
closeted people pretend that Out people “make their identity their whole life” – the reality is this: running AWAY from that identity it was closeted people, Like “masc pride”, a true internet wimp, do.
know who doesn’t like labels? people who are surrounded by those who see that specific label as a NEGATIVE. thats’ WHY we need to come out, identify as gay, and embrace a gay identity. only after that happening in our world culture will being gay be “no big deal”
Cam
“There shouldn’t be labels!”
Said every closet case ever.
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AtticusBennett
@Cam: EXACTLY
Miss Understood
I really don’t understand why descriptive words are always being referred to as “labels”. They are just words which describe what exists so we can communicate. Why is mentioning someone’s profession so bad? It’s a springboard for discussion.
luvit00
@Zekester… I thought the exact same thing!
on a side note, if anyone follows Marc on IG it’s hilarious to me that practically every selfie he takes he drop his head to one side with a closed mouth smile. (yea, i know… i don’t know why but this makes me laugh!)
Clark35
I disagree with this twit, there’s an importance for bisexual, gay, lesbian, and trans people to be out and say who we are.
Kangol
The reality is the majority of LGBTIQ people in this country are not rich, white privileged cis-gay males like Marc Jacobs, who has the luxury of doing whatever he wants.
Most of us don’t live in a post-gender, post-s3xual or post-s3xist, post-r@cial or post-r@cist society, so it’s important to be proud of who we are, and affirm our differences and commonalities, including our common humanity.
SteveDenver
If Marc feels constricted by his sexual orientation or his Jewishness, then he can go back in the closet and people can just talk about it behind his back… along with whatever underwear model he’s screwing this week.
Peter McKinney
SonOfKings
What an idiot. He’s been known his entire adult life as a gay fashion designer and has capitalized off that tag. Now that he’s rich and famous and has everything that he wants, he no longer requires the support, protection, and fellowship that identity helped to provide. Sounds a lot like blacks who’ve made it that no longer wish to be referred to as black.
Captain Obvious
2015 – The year all the kiddies(and some adults who still think they’re kiddies) decided we should all be afraid of owning who we are and being proud of it.
So stupid it’s almost funny. I’m gay, gonna keep saying I’m gay. Have fun in your closet.
asby
Should he not also say that he only fucks latino tops who have done porn?
Giancarlo85
@Zekester: You nailed it with both remarks. The first one really pisses me off. “Sexual preference” suggests there is a choice in the matter.
And the second part about him posting those pictures and then saying that remark shows he’s nothing more than an idiotic hypocrite we would be better without. I would hope he goes back in the closet.
@Masc Pride: You make another boneheaded remark. Maybe if you looked into Marc’s past you would notice he’s being a total hypocrite. Then again your username also shows you as a hypocrite because you’re fully willing to live by the “masc” label.
“Unfortunately, a lot of guys have chosen to let sexual preference dictate their whole identity.”
Thanks for this incredibly STUPID remark. Have anything else you want to share?
You let your fake “masculinity” dictate your whole identity, so who are you to judge others?
Giancarlo85
@AtticusBennett: It’s funny “masc pride” doesn’t like labels but then has a USERNAME that is a label. These cowards who hate labels so much are the ones who are the quickest to embrace a label (usually a fake masculinity)
Glücklich
@Desert Boy:
I’m with you.
If my husband isn’t around to introduce, I let people think what they want and correct on an as-needed basis (for which I’ve been heavily criticized in the past by commenters on this site but that’s their problem). Am I supposed to be, like, “My name is Glücklich and I’m gay,” like an AA meeting? That might make things clear as crystal for those who miss the rainbow sash I wear emblazoned with “FANNY BANDIT.”
Masc Pride
Another thing that should be done away with ASAP: Accusing people of self-loathing every time they express a viewpoint that makes you emotional. It isn’t the be-all and end-all argument some of you seem to think it is. It’s been tossed around so much that it’s usually pretty baseless and has totally lost its desired effect.
@Cam: Please explain how someone like Marc Jacobs is a “closet case” even though he’s already come out to the whole world. He simply has an opinion you clearly disagree with, and that is all.
wade.l
Being gay, lesbian, transgender etc is not a label, it is a part of who you are.
Alan David Smith
to Stephen scott. you may be right. about his personality. but he is also 100% right. I always introduce myself as alan. the rest of the chips will fall accordingly.
Cam
@Masc Pride:
Because his comment is about the wider community and not simply about himself. I would think that would be very obvious to anybody who read it.
1EqualityUSA
Silence = Death
Glücklich
@Alan David Smith:
“I always introduce myself as alan. the rest of the chips will fall accordingly.”
Thank. YOU!
Masc Pride
@Alan David Smith: Exactly. I’ve found that when you carry yourself as an individual, people treat you like an individual. If you’re going to be gay-gay-gay 24/7, be prepared to tell your female coworkers what colors they should highlight their hair with when they ask. lol
@Cam: No, a closet case is someone who isn’t out or hides their homosexuality. Marc Jacobs is a gay public figure. There is no such thing as a closet case who’s out to the world. This is a perfect example of how “closet case” isn’t a superior argument when disagreeing with another gay man’s opinion. It seems you’re meaning to say “self-loathing” (the other accusation fave). If you’re going to accuse people you don’t know, you should at least get the accusation right first.
tdh1980
Oh, for Pete’s sake. No one’s saying go around introducing yourself as “John Q. Homosexual.” However, a number of us purposely omit our gayness from conversation for fear of being “othered” by straight people, which is why we deem any normal demonstration of sexuality — mentioning a significant other, displaying photos of family, revealing whom we think is attractive — as letting it define us. Intentionally allowing people to believe you’re straight until you have absolutely no choice but to come clean about it makes your queerness seem like something shameful and dirty.
Glücklich
@tdh1980:
OMG where’d you get my name?! Who’s been talking?
I totally hear what you’re saying and I agree. None of the things you describe are things I do. My experience of omitting my being gay from conversation is not to hide it but because a need to bring it up rarely presents itself in casual conversation; most of my meeting-new-people type of socializing happens in professional settings (industry events, client meetings, etc.) so it doesn’t come up a whole lot.
If someone says “I hear you got married” of course I’m going to say yes, “Mr. Glücklich and I got married last year.”
Glücklich
@Glücklich:
Should also point out that in work situations, my reputation as being gay and married to a guy precedes me. Not a lot of that happening around here out in the open.
Cam
@Masc Pride: said… “@Cam: No, a closet case is someone who isn’t out or hides their homosexuality. Marc Jacobs is a gay public figure. There is no such thing as a closet case who’s out to the world. This is a perfect example of how “closet case” isn’t a superior argument when disagreeing with another gay man’s opinion.””
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And AGAIN, Jacobs was speaking for the larger community, not just himself. My comment was how the “No Labels” argument is a support of the closet. Anybody reading my comments could have seen that.
Michael Clifford
Isn’t he a little old to be saying “like”???
Mark Coassolo
Not yet Marc, not until the war is over. We all must be out and visible until we are complete. We won Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell: Check. We won Marriage Equality: Check. But now we have the big one to deal with and that is ENDA (Google it and find out). The war is definitely NOT over. There are states working to put out a new “Jim Crow” set of rules/laws to bring things back. The war is not over. If you are out and visible, you are a Gay American Patriot and are part of American history. Forget it Marc. I came out in ’71 when it was not comfortable and I lost people and I lost bonus’s and it took a lot longer to get promotions: but I was out, was visible and no one could say I lied about myself or made them feel betrayed because I was gay. THE WAR IS NOT OVER. I’m a proud Gay American Patriot.
Wahya73
@tdh1980: Unless someone asks me or if a conversation is had where I need to to identify that I like guys..I see no need to bring it up. I am not my sexuality, I am a person.
Glücklich
@Wahya73:
High five!
Giancarlo85
@Masc Pride: Considering your entire argument is emotional and idiotic you kinda shoot yourself in the foot. You are a nasty hypocrite and you accuse others of subscribing to labels yet you embrace labels.
@Masc Pride: Not only are you a hypocrite, you’re a bigoted asshole.
Cam
@Wahya73: And I’m sure you almost NEVER see the need to bring it up. i.e. Somebody assumes you have a wife, and you probably tell yourself that it would slow the conversation to correct them.
Masc Pride
@Cam: No. If you meant something else, you didn’t word your thought properly. You clearly associated the logic with closet cases, which you’re still basically doing. Totally your prerogative, but there’s a glaring flaw in the logic when it comes to someone like Jacobs. You’re obviously more focused on Queerty’s sensationalized headline than his actual quote. Read the first two words of his quote. Mr. Jacobs isn’t dictating anything to anyone, and he’s not even supporting the closet or anti-semitism. Readers with half a brain that aren’t super easily outraged can totally see he’s generally denouncing the limitations imposed by labels.
Glücklich
@Cam:
And if Wahya does…? How’s that your business?
If it’s likely I’m never going to see a person again and there’s no consequence to a stranger saying, offhandedly, “your wife/girlfriend…” or the like, there’s no value *to me* in correcting it. Why get all up in a snit about some little thing like that?