QUEERTY INTERVIEW

After Getting Hitched In Every Marriage Equality State, “Married & Counting’s” Couple Reflects On DOMA, Prop 8

Three years ago, Pat Dwyer and Stephen Mosher decided to celebrate their 25th anniversary as a couple by getting legally married in every state that would allow them. The concept was to get as much protection under the law as possible, though at the time, they couldn’t even get wed in the state in which they lived — New York. Narrated by George Takei, the documentary Married and Counting mirrors Pat and Stephen’s journey towards equality with that of the nation’s. And it couldn’t come at a better time. The doc came out just a day before the Supreme Court ruled Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act and California’s Proposition 8 unconstitutional in a double whammy for gay civil rights. We sat down with Pat and Stephen and director Allan Piper to discuss the fall of DOMA and Prop 8 and what it means to them, as well as the tidal wave of change in the years since they first decided to say “I do” and “I do” and “I do”…

QUEERTY: How did you react to the SCOTUS rulings? What were your first thoughts?

ALLAN: I was thrilled. I thought of what Pat says in the movie “I feel like we are part of something so huge that we won’t know how big this moment in history is until it is history.”

STEPHEN: Well, I Facebooked them immediately! Then I sat down to watch the news unfold on TV with the same excitement I had when New York’s Marriage Equality bill passed. It was like Christmas, New Year’s, the release of the movie and a Barbra Streisand concert all in one fell swoop. I was most excited to see the televised results in California when Prop 8 fell. I knew it would be a sight to see. Somewhere in there, while watching, the tears started to fall…

PAT: I had thought all along that the rulings would go the way they did, with SCOTUS declaring Section 3 of DOMA unconstitutional and that they would kick Prop 8 back, so I had one of those “told ya” moments. I was pleased that we took a step forward but I had wished that it was a bigger step. 37 states can still deny their gay residents are married so I also knew this journey of ours was not over.