Karley Sciortino, host of VICE’s racy docu series Slutever, recently sat down with bisexual adult film performers Dante Colle, D. Arclyte, and Amilia Onyx to talk about MMF porn and the stigma surrounding male bisexuality in the adult film industry and how the stigma often bleeds into the real world as well.
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“I think if you google bi porn, the vast majority of what you see out there is what I call forced bi porn, Arclyte says. “And I’m a big believer that that’s not what’s going on behind closed doors.”
Forced bi porn, Arclyte explains, is when the encounter is “forced” as opposed to desired or natural. He, Colle, and Onyx then proceed to demonstrate what this looks like by simulating a scene where two men begrudgingly touch each another at the insistence of the woman.
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Asked about the attitudes surrounding bisexual male performers within the adult film industry, Colle says there’s definitely a stigma.
“There’s some homophobia on the straight side,” he says. “So when they see a crossover performer, a lot of the straight studios and the straight performers don’t want to associate with you,”
He continues, “But there’s a stigma on the gay side too. It’s so much more okay for women to do that, why can’t it be for men?”
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Putting a gun to someone’s head demanding that they suk the ccok in their face is forcing.
Having a woman encourage you to do so while being paid for the act is not “forcing”
QueerTruth
Awww boo hoo. The stigmas… the injustices of adult entertainers.
Shut up every one of you.
Donston
Most guys who have bisexuality/dimensions/contradictions/fluidity in their orientation have bigger concerns like identity, sociology, how to explain themselves to others, external and internalized homophobia, contending with self-destructive instincts and/or depression, confronting past traumas, getting an understanding of who they are from a romantic and sexual and emotional and relationship perspective, finding a suitable partner. Very few can relate to or sympathize with the troubles of a fellow sex worker not wanting to have sex with you on camera. That’s egomaniac and porn world nonsense, especially from people who don’t ultimately consider themselves bi.
I will say that I don’t like that porn constantly presents male-on-male sexual behaviors as mere whims, as insubstantial and as experimental, and I don’t like that most “bi porn” is very much from a hetero-romantic and hetero-erotic perspective. But bytching about women not wanting to fvck you for money is shallow, not progressive and is not something most people care about.
Josh447
You mean while you profusely beat off to them? Of course you do.
Josh447
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Donston
Not everyone’s going to like you, support you and want to have sex with you. Too many of these “bi guys” stay hyper focused on getting attention, approval and admiration from everyone. Just do what you do. Oddly enough, I don’t think either dude is actually bi identifying. Both guys come off as dudes who are fairly gay in most ways. They’re just not homosexual, or they’re willing to indulge non homo behaviors for money.
UlfRaynor
You couldn’t be more wrong.
D.Arclyte worked for years at Kink video doing str8, femdom and trans porn before he crossed over recently to doing gay porn, he personally has stated he is just sexual but previously identified as bi.
Dante Colle does all forms of porn, gay, bi, trans and str8, he however has stated he doesn’t have sex with men in his personal life.
So no, neither of these men is gay.
Donston
I’m aware of all the different types of porn that they do, and I’ve seen them in all different types of porn. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have stated what I stated. I am aware that everyone is different and everyone is motivated by different things. On another note, I just searched the internet, and Donte talks a lot about being “fluid” but doesn’t go into details about his life off camera. I’m not seeing where he claims he doesn’t hook up with dudes off camera.
I consider “gay” to be more about where your sustained passions, affections, romantic feelings and relationships contentment/comfort lies and not really something that’s mostly about attractions or who you’re willing to have sex with. That to me is what ultimately separates “gay” from all this other stuff, not inherent homosexuality or living an entirely homo lifestyle. That’s why I consider myself “gay” despite having many different sexual experiences and having attractions that all over the place. And I’m obviously not entirely wrong, because neither dude is bi-identifying.
Outside of identity politics or where someone fits on the general spectrum, my main point is complaining that certain people don’t want to have sex with you or that everyone doesn’t admire you is a rather shallow soapbox to stand on. What most of these guys need to understand is that having sex with whoever on camera for money is not some god-given right. If someone doesn’t want to have sex with you then they don’t want to have sex with you. And expecting all men who consider themselves gay to shower you with praise simply because you’re willing to have sex with dudes or you admit to not being entirely heterosexual isn’t very realistic. It just seems like too much of this stuff with sex workers isn’t about sexual freedom, acceptance or even money but instead is more about wanting everyone to want them.
UlfRaynor
Then I suggest you check Dante’s twitter feed, or any of his early interviews when he first started doing str8 porn and was later talked into trying gay then bi porn. it’s at that time he discovered his fluid sexuality.
I find it rather annoying you think you should be able to culturally appropriate and redefine what gay means, since it was a word that homosexual men coined as an inoffensive way of describing themselves.
While you are free to define your own identity, it doesn’t give you carte blanch to insult the gay community with your revisionist re-imaging’s just so you can still identify as gay.
Wolfie
Feeling are not facts.
Wicked Dickie
I guess those guys aren’t of the same cloth of straight guys that like male to male contact, but are not gay?
Donston
I don’t believe either guy has talked in any real detail about their sense of self or the dimensions of their orientation. But don’t just assume that both are “mostly straight” guys. There are plenty of men who have attractions to females and/or enjoy “female contact” but don’t have overall preferences towards women. The problem with these two guys and one of the problems with the “bi community” in general is that too many folks are concerned with staying attached to hetero-normalcy and are obsessed with getting approval from the “straight world”. This kind of stuff is partly why a lot of men who are not homosexual still ultimately consider themselves “gay”.
Rock-N-RollHS
@Donston Oh honey, you seem so well intentioned. But you have too much time on your hands and a little too OCD.
Donston
This is true. I’ve been pretty much a house husband for the past couple of years. So, yeah, when I’m not cooking/cleaning I tend to have the time to “go in”. I also like being extremely thorough with my responses. But that’s partly because people often don’t like looking at things with any real nuance, social media has made online communication merely a bunch of basic phrases, and conversations about identity, orientation, sexuality, sociology have become woefully shallow.
perkus
Possible to correct? The show airs on Viceland, not Vice. Thanks!