Miss California Will Enjoy Career In ‘Standing Up For What You Believe In,’ Bigotry

Before getting all atwitter about Miss California Carrie Prejean’s lack of support for same-sex marriage, remember: Our own president shares the same stance. Gay marriage flip-flopper Barack Obama says “marriage” is for men-and-women only (even though that’s not always been his position).

It’s a wise point NBC’s Amy Robach makes to put Prejean’s response in context. But more surprising to pageant types, however, is Prejean’s idiocy when it comes to how she answered the question. With such a controversial topic, it would’ve been wiser for her, no matter her personal feelings, to straddle the line on marriage equality and deliver a response that was both for and against same-sex marriage.

By now, the point is moot, and Prejean’s homophobia has made her a star. She did not win the Miss USA crown. It went to Miss North Carolina. But who’s asking her to come on to the Today show? And who even remembers her name?

(It’s Kristen Dalton. And you’ll never hear from her again.)

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  • Hunt

    This is taking a rather bad turn; at first she just came off as ignorant, but now she is being assigned martyr status by the social conservatives. In just about anyone else’s hands, this story would have had Ms. CA coming off as a poor man’s Anita Bryant, but in Perez Hilton’s hands, she is gaining status that (really) she did not earn. Yes, disagree with her vehemently; yes, apply wit to her incoherent response; no, do not call her names, especially c%@t–that will do our cause no good at all.

    I’m all for anger, just as long as it is channelled properly. We have so many gay folks who are brilliant and articulate; we have many who are amazing humorists; why must we rely upon Hilton and Bono to be our spokespeople? The fact that she is Canadian aside, can you imagine what Elvira Kurt would have to say? She’d deminish the relevance of this woman, while making viewers laugh…Ms. CA would be a passing joke.

    Come on, people!

  • Marty

    This bimbette is just trying to get herself press time because she lost the pageant and still wants to be famous. More power to her, I suppose, but someone needs to remind her that (a) beauty pageants are archaic and little followed and (b) news cycles run short.

  • AlwaysGay

    Miss California is a bigot. Gay couples have right to marriage as heterosexual couples.

  • InExile

    How could such a bigot become Miss California in the first place? I guess this is a story of outer beauty and inner ugliness. Hope her 5 minutes of fame is up soon, we have enough “good christians” already!

  • Lyndon Evans


    God Bless you my son.

    I’ve always thought to myself why is it when talk shows and “entertainment” shows choose a “token” gay person, they always seem to pick the poofiest ones which hardly represents most gay men, and in turn, with the bigoted anti-gay idiots (who are idiots in the first place to watch such tripe)label all gays because of the “representative” they see on TV.

    Quite frankly, it makes my stomach turn to watch them.

    Are there no “he-man figgits” to represent us or are they reserved only for gay porn !?!

  • John

    Instead of getting do angry at her, why dont we use this time to show peole why gay marriage is a good thing. Why are people so afraid to debate this stuff?

  • Helga Von Ornstein

    I thought beauty pageants had gone the way of bodybuilding programs on ESPN. Flushed down the toilet where they and their drug enhanced ilk belong.

    The last true beauty queen that deserved the title and fame that went with it was Lee Meriwether. This woman proves how desperate these “winners” are for a life after the pageant in present day. Do you honestly remember who the next black Ms. America was after Vanessa Williams? I didn’t think so.

    Obviously Ann Coulter is not a ratings winner anymore (doubt she ever was except to Bubba and the ignorant) so in steps this teleprompter reading bimbo. Beauty pageants, HUMPH!


    The question should be why is a hateful judge (perez hilton) talking and representing for “gay people”? Just like the black civil rights movement homosexuals need to be more aware of the public image and PUBLIC FIGURES that people WILL judge. black people and their acceptance in society is greatly due to hip hop culture and sports ………What and who do we have??

  • Dabq

    @JAMES ALEXANDR: Are you for real, hip hop and sports got black people accepted in society? That would have taken what 25 or 30 years to accomplish after 400 years of oppression? I guess it also stopped the lynching’s and the beat downs that blacks are still the top of the list on.

    You are right on one thing, the glbt movement needs leaders who can speak up, not cartoonish figures like Perez, and, even when they have a ‘face’ its of the Joe Solomanese (sp) type, who is afraid of his won shadow and also afraid to speak up to the bigots.

    The tired looking chick with a bad blond weave needs to have someone break it down to her in terms she can understand, i.e. a biblical course on the issue with the facts, not the shrill of a publicity seeker like Perez whocan turn off as many gays as he can straights.


    I’m sorry but it’s no secret that the people least likely to be racist or prejudice against anything or anyone in today’s world are UNDER 30 (GENERATION Y) rough estimate

    How do you think that came about?

    I am 22 and like most others my age I am highly invested in the media world i.e television and the internet.inmatter of fact IT IS ALL I HAVE EVER KNOWN.

  • walt zipprian

    Is it just me or did Perez’s voice sound kind of like Chris Crocker’s?

    Nails on a blackboard.

    And James Alexander, tha acceptance of black people into society came from the hard work of civil rights workers and forward thinking members of society. Which then enabled the growth of the hip hop culture and the movement of blacks into pro sports.

    Maybe you should turn off the internet and the television and read a history book. You know, couldn’t hurt.

  • walt zipprian

    d’oh! “the acceptance of blacks into society”


    WE ARE ALL HUMANS AND WE HAVE TENDENCIES TO BE ATTRACTED SEXUALLY AND EMOTIONALLY TO ONE ANOTHER (man or woman doesn’t matter) and take away social oppression and censorship (RELIGION)this is how it has always been.

    In the future or 20 years from now after the baby boomers I know we will truely be a progressive and kinder society. Not perfect but people will feel more empowered and more informed.

    There is a bigger picture and the baby boomers I beleive are the last figures to go that represent the old way of thinking.



    Did I miss anything?

  • The Lesbian Mafia

    Thank God someone is telling it like it is. I don’t know why everyone is attacking a young Miss USA who we’ll probably never see again with all this misdirected vitriol. Barack Obama has stated over and over and over again, more times than I can count, over the past two years that he is unequivically against gay marriage/civil rights and that marriage is between a man and a woman because GOD is in the mix. I find that intolerably more offensive than what this unimportant twit has to say. He has never once been to a gay parade and refused last years invitation saying he had more important affairs to attend to, which turned out to be going to the gym. Then the gays wore wearing Obama Pride pins which was positively baffling. When Barack states “Marriage is between a man and a woman because GOD is in the mix but I believe in civil unions” he is speaking to his base … and they listened to him … on election day they voted YES on Prop 8. Lest we not forget Hillary, though obvioulsy much kinder and respectful to gays over the years, she also states … marriage is between one man a woman and any tramp within an arms length of Bill.

  • HayYall

    @JAMES ALEXANDR: Yeah you didn’t capitalize all your sentences.

  • walt zipprian

    I think you missed all your English classes.

    But since your generation is going to save the world I guess we’ll cut you some slack. ;-)


    The world is already perfect ABSOLUTLEY it is people that are the problem.

    see just in your rhetoric there is a difference in our thinking


    and as for my grammar I haven’t been in school for 4 years and a bit stoned at the moment

    my apologies

  • HayYall

    I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, people out there in our nation don’t know any gay people and, uh, I believe that our, uh, understanding of gay people is like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our gay people.

  • Attmay

    @AlwaysGay: They used to until the breeders stole it from them via an illegal vote.

  • Bruno

    Yes, she’s a martyr for the hard right now, and I’m surprised anyone thought she’d actually become some huge joke outside of the LGBT community. Perez Hilton has created another brainless “hot” babe for our enemies to worship. Move over, Sarah.

  • paulied

    @InExile: Probably because she got 52% of the vote!

  • D-Sun

    I smell a contender for V.P. in 2012.

    Does she have any helicopter-based hunting activities or pregnant teenage daughters we should know about?

  • sal

    well look at this way,im sure if there was a pageant girl in the 1950’s who was asked whether black kids should be allowed to go to school with the white kids and she said no she would feel ok then and the majority would be on her (ignorant) side but is she right??HELL TO THE NO!!!!!!!History will have her!

  • Chitown Kev


    Man, either you just told your age (very young) or you are straight up ignorant.

  • Chitown Kev


    22, huh?

    Man, you have a lot to learn.

  • sal

    ..she will take her rightful place with all the ignorant people in history,just like now when i watch old footage of unapologetic racism and shake my head thinking what kinda evil people existed then the future will look at her the same way

  • Hunt

    @Lyndon Evans: I certainly don’t mean any disrespect to you, Lyndon, but I wasn’t referring to Perez’s masculinity or lack there of; I was referring to his ability to properly formulate a cogent response to media inquiries. I have to say that many an effeminate behaving gay man has been the very first to take on a fight for the gay community, and I would never judge a gay brother for his appearance or perceived masculinity. Honor, heart and intent mean far more to me.

    I do believe that, if you are going to take on the role of community spokesperson, then try to put your ego aside, evaluate your ability to think on your feet and speak with authority to a specific subject matter, or simply decline the interview. If you are not above using terms like [email protected]#t, then you really shouldn’t be on MSNBC.

    Again, I don’t mean to be disrespectful to your point of view, Lyndon. Plenty of guys feel exactly the same as you do, and if they didn’t, every personal ad by gay men wouldn’t read, “straight acting,” (which I happen to be, but kind of bristle when I read or hear the term…and really, I am masculine acting, despite the fact that my banter includes works like “bristle.” ;o)







  • Michael W.

    Thanks a lot, Perez.

  • walt zipprian


    The visibility is ONE of the reasons. that visibility was made possible by BABY BOOMERS, who had kids (gen Y) and raised them with less prejudice than they had themselves been raised with.

    Your generation did not just spring forth with open minds and hearts. You learned that from your parents.

  • Chitown Kev

    @The Lesbian Mafia:

    “…marriage is between one man a woman and any tramp within an arms length of Bill.”


  • Sceth

    She made no sense: In one clause she says she’s glad people “can choose”, and immediately follows by saying marriage “should be” heterosexual.
    Sorry, dear, federally I have no choice at all.

  • oneway

    She’ll be a Fox News anchor in 5… 4… 3.. 2…..

  • Bobby

    @oneway: SO TRUE!

  • I personally believe...

    @Chitown Kev: You’re assuming he graduated high school! LOL

  • Toby

    Is it so wrong for me to be heals over head in love with Chitown Kev? Man, you amaze! Marry me, now!

  • sal

    @oneway: lol lol

  • Benj

    I love how she thinks that just because she said “no offense” that should just let her off the hook.

    ‘No offense, but I just don’t believe those kinds of people are worthy of the rights I have. But no offense.’

    It really does suck that she’s being turned into a conservative martyr, because the truth is that Miss USA is supposed to be sugary and sweet and equally nauseating to everyone in the country.

    If she didn’t want to have to give politically correct answers to heated questions she shouldn’t have joined the competition.

    To me the issue isn’t as much about what she said as it is about her answering the question in way that was not keeping in line with how to win the competition.

    If it’s more important to her to stick by her beliefs, then she should have just said her piece that night and shut up about it.

    She’s obviously using this as a vehicle to fame. We’ll see how well that works out for her.

  • Benj

    @JAMES ALEXANDR: “and as for my grammar I haven’t been in school for 4 years and a bit stoned at the moment
    my apologies”

    Best response ever.

  • Krissy

    I am a straight woman that completely supports the BGLAD community, and I have been so full of saddness today at the huge backlash that Perez has generated. Who knew one man could do so much damage? I think that in time, our country will look back to Loving v. Virgina, where the Supreme Court ruled that marriage is a Civil Right that can not be denied by the states because it violates the Constitution. Interracial marriage wasn’t popular with the majority back then, just as gay marriage isn’t popular now…but that doesn’t mean that you can deny people rights that our Constitution protects.

  • Krissy

    The worst part of her response was that she said, “opposite marriage”. Completely degrading and insulting. Why do so many people try to fool themselves that gay couples have less of a committed or deep relationship than heterosexuals? Sigh.

  • Stef

    Personally, I don’t agree with her response at all (both her opinion and the indiotic way she phrased it)…but can I agree with everyone who is currently slamming the poor girl against a wall? No.

    Simple point is, she was asked a question of opinion. While I don’t agree with her answer, she answered it honestly. Should Miss USA or Miss America be a liar? Should she LIE about who she really is/what she really thinks and believes to win a crown? Should she misrepresent herself and her beliefs/ideas/opinions.outlooks to appease the judges? I don’t think so.

    I think he opinion is off base, and I don’t think she fully comprehends WHY she believes what she believes or what she actually believes. It’s clear her facts are wrong (“in this great country we have a choice”). But, while I do believe gay marriage should be legal in every state/country, and I do believe gay marriages are just as valid as heterosexual ones, I believe people have the right to their own opinion on the matter, especially considering the religious side of it.

    A lot of the LGBT fight for equality DEPENDS on the fact that gay marriage will NOT strip people of their religious right to have bigoted beliefs. That after gay marriage becomes legal, gays will NOT seek to SILENCE religious crazies who still believe the Bible and still believe in one mand one woman marriages. And I think what perez did and what a lot of people are doing, is completely backing out of that promise and giving the conservatives a leg up in their argument.

    Racism is rarely tolerated in most public, civilized forums. But people still have the right to say “I don’t think blacks should marry whites” or “I don’t think desegregation was a good thing”. Are they dumb for saying it? Yes. Are the completely allowed to have and voice their opinions, as stupid as they are? Yes.

    Is Miss California entitled to her own opinion? Absolutely. Do I agree with her opinion? Not in the least. Do I believe ripping her a new asshole for answering a question honestly is going to help ANYONE in this situation? Nope.

    I think the LGBT movement needs to stick to its promises. Harrassing this girl because she doesn’t agree with us doesn’t make us any stronger. It mkes us look just as bad as the AFTAHs and the One News Nows. It makes us seem as though we are incapable of tolerating any other viewpoints.

    I tolerate her viewpoint and support her righ to said viewpoint. She is not making the laws in this country.

  • Helga Von Ornstein

    @D-Sun: I heard the same thing. Don’t be surprised if Rush endorses her by next monday.

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    The scripted Homosexual Agenda psychological operations manifesto was schemed by two mass public persuasion experts Kirk and Madsen in the landmark manifesto “overhauling Straight America” later created into a book titled “After the ball, How American Will OverCome it’s Fear and hatred of Gays” your homosexual agenda copy of which is available from Amazon book.

    Kirk and Madsen admitted to using Communist Chinese mind control tactics, tacrtics from Hitlers Mein Kampf, and admitted their strategy was pure propaganda and misinformation.

    Part of their psy-ops was to crush all dissent by using aversion techniques called “jamming and conversion”, tactics of which are not only used here, but the majority of the media and society by enforcers of the Homosexual Agenda. Part of the “jamming” process schemed by Kirk and Madsen as used by homophiles is to “vilify” all opposition. This is done by using scripted epithets like homophobe, hate mongerer, mean spirited, bible thumper, breeder, bigot, right wing whacko, you know the scripted epithet drill, just read the lemming posts here using them.

    The reality is phobias are clinically defined mental illnesses listed by the American Psychological Association in their DSM list. Now the APA was terrorized and threatened and stole from by homosexual extremists and strong armed into removing homosexuality from their DSM list, and the person who blew the whistle on that was of all people, a homosexual. 3 decades later, homosexuals still trumpet the removal as part of their deceptive marketing campaign, ignoring the theft and violence homosexuals used to terrorize the APA into submission, but that is a different issue.

    So homosexual agenda enforcers now “vilify” aka “jamming” per Kirk and Madsen all opposition by using scripted epithets like “homophobes”. Borrowing the born that way” tactic also created by Kirk and Madsen, homophobia is a mental illness, and thus falls under the Americans with disabilities act. And since homophobes “didn’t just wake up one day and decide to be homophobic”, they must be “born that way”, so “stop discriminating against them for just being who they were born as, like being born black or Jewish” (another claim Kirk and Madsen said homophiles need to use). Propaganda sound familiar?

    Even Kirk and Madsen said religion was the enemy, and we can see how a sexual behavior minority representing about 2% of the population, by following Kirk and Madsens script, has been wildly successful beyond all imagination in crushing all dissent.

    Prejean is just another example of the Christian bashing and family values bashing homosexual agenda enforcers engage in to crush all dissent. It goes to show that refusing to follow the proscribed beliefs set forth by homosexual agenda enforcers results in job losses, business losses, terrorism, murder, a loss of your rights, etc.
    Laura Schlesinger is a perfect example of the aftermath of economic terrorism homosexual agenda enforcers successfully engage in if you dare defy what they tell you you must beleive in.

    When it comes to the radical homosexual agenda foot soldiers, It never fails that those that scream the loudest for tolerance and open mindedness are the last to practice what they screech.

  • sal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: an “agenda” to stop hate?wow,i bet that’s what they accused martin luther king of doing too back in the day “black agenda”……..GET RID OF HATE!!!!thank u

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Kirk and Madsen said that homosexuals need to attempt to equate their chosen sexual behavior with an immutable physical characteristic, so Kirk and Madsen said homosexuals need to equate themselves to being negroid, EXACTLY what the above poster did. But there is no agenda! lol

    The use of the term” hate” is part of the very scripted agenda that homosexual extremists are using to crush dissent, by equating anyone who espouses religious or conservative moral values as espousing “hate”. A pretty clever trick actually.

    In the 70’s Schick used a form of that type of aversion therapy to help smokers quit, and now homosexuals use a form of it created by Kirk and Madsen to silence opposition and get people of faith to not practice their beliefs.

    Once again, look at who is engaging in “intolerance”.

  • sal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: here i go again read my friend

    Then let’s make sure they don’t forget these verses:
    Exodus 21:20-21
    20 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property
    Leviticus 25:44
    Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves…
    Titus 2:9
    Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,
    1 Peter 2:18
    Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
    1 Corinthians 14:34:
    34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
    1 Timothy 2:11 -12
    11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission
    12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
    And there’s a whole lot more were that came from

  • getreal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: It is not an agenda to want equal rights and just like people who supported slavery and who in favor of segregation history will judge you badly. People in the future will look back in shame at a time in this country where people felt entirely justified to deny rights of any American citizen based on how they were born be it their race, gender, or sexual orientation. I pray that you be relieved of your bigotry and hatred of gay people your life will be so much better without it.

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    In 1998, Kirk and Madsen attended a war conference in Washington DC to homosexualize America that was attended by 175 of the nations most radical homosexual extremist activists.

    Homosexuals Kirk and Madsen were not idiots. They were smart guys – very smart. Kirk, a Harvard-educated researcher in neuropsychiatry, worked with the Johns Hopkins Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth and designed aptitude tests for adults with 200+ IQs. Madsen, with a doctorate in politics from Harvard, was an expert on public persuasion tactics and social marketing. Both were experts in mass public persuasion tactics.

    “The campaign we outline in this book,” they write, “though complex, depends centrally upon a program of unabashed PROPAGANDA, firmly grounded in long-established principles of psychology and advertising.” Their book became known as the Gay Manifesto. Kirk and Madsen went on to admit: “…our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof.”

    The big lie technique has been used by almost all totalitarians. As explained by Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda chief, “Tell a lie, make it a big one, repeat it often enough, and a lot of people will believe it.” The Chinese propaganda techniques used for the Homosexual Agenda are more sophisticated than the bombastic Nazi methods. But as true totalitarians seeking mind control, the people behind the Homosexual Agenda is promoting three big lies: 1. Homosexuality is genetically determined, (per Kirk and Madens instructrions) 2. Change is not possible, and 3. Gay rights are part of the civil rights agenda. Homosexuality is placed on a par with race and gender. According to the gay agenda, these truths are obvious. No debate is needed. Opposition to these points signifies bigotry.

    Kirk and Madsen schemed: “First, the mainstream should be told that gays are victims of fate, in the sense that most never had a choice to accept or reject their sexual preference. The message must read: “As far as gays can tell, they WERE BORN GAY, just as you were born heterosexual or white or BLACK or bright or athletic. Nobody ever tricked or seduced them; they NEVER MADE A CHOICE, and ARE NOT MORALLY BLAMEWORTHY. What they do isn’t willfully contrary – it’s only natural for them. This twist of fate could as easily have happened to you!”

    Not only does Kirk and Madsen instruct homosexuals to claim they were born that way, but they admit the M.O. : to absolve those who engage in homosexual behavior as not morally blameworthy. Now homosexuals have a motive for lying about ebign born that way.

    But Kirk and Madsen themsevles publically asdmitted the “born that way” is a lie too:

    “We argue that, for all practical purposes, gays should be considered to have been born gay, even though sexual orientation, for most humans, seems to be the product of a complex interaction between innate predispositions and environmental factors during childhood and early adolescnce.”

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Look at post #51. Once again, per Kirk and Madsens script, the poster hurls epithets designed to “jam” opposition and couches chosen deviant sexual behavior in terms if “civil rights”, EXACTLY as Kirk and Madsen instructed homosexuals to claim.

  • sal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: oh my friend i dont need some kirk or whoever to tell me my race(half black) and my sexual orientation is not diff,i know it by living it!!!

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Sal, in post #50, is using a 3rd grade debnate tactic called the straw argument.

    Sorry buddy, I am not remotely religious, so you will have to take your bible and your hate filled, mean spirited, wrong headed, racist, sexist, homosexist, heterophobic, Chrisitian bashing bigotry and narrow minded, intolerant hatred elsewhere. See, I can co-opt your scripted epithets too to avoid substantive debate.

  • getreal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: I think you need psychological help and I would bet you have an experience with some kind of personality disorder. If you don’t believe in equal rights just admit you are a bigot and stop over doing it with all the bogus reasons.

  • sal

    @sal: u talk about this kirk “agenda” how about U proving the validity of the religion argument?what makes THEM “right”????and dont give me some hairy-fairy bs

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Kirk and Madsen: “… In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to assume the role of protector.”

    They schemed on:


    In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to assume the role of protector. If gays are presented, instead, as a strong and prideful tribe promoting a rigidly nonconformist and deviant lifestyle, they are more likely to be seen as a public menace that justifies resistance and oppression. For that reason, we must forego the temptation to strut our “gay pride” publicly when it conflicts with the Gay Victim image. And we must walk the fine line between impressing straights with our great numbers, on the one hand, and sparking their hostile paranoia-“They are all around us!”–on the other.

    A media campaign to promote the Gay Victim image should make use of symbols which reduce the mainstream’s sense of threat, which lower it’s guard, and which enhance the plausibility of victimization. In practical terms, this means that jaunty mustachioed musclemen would keep very low profile in gay commercials and other public presentations, while sympathetic figures of nice young people, old people, and attractive women would be featured. (It almost goes without saying that groups on the farthest margin of acceptability such as NAMBLA, [Ed note — North American Man-Boy Love Association] must play no part at all in such a campaign: suspected child-molesters will never look like victims.)

  • sal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: hahahaha so all the kids who died this year over homophobia they aint “victims”

  • sal

    @sal: i MEANNN the big bad heterosss

  • sal

    .. i have yet to see where gays = big threat

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Eric Pollard, the founder of ACT-UP (a militant homosexual group) claimed Hitler’s Mein Kampf as a model for the “gay” agenda. (Sears and Osten, p. 26)

    “Something of even the most insolent lie will always remain and stick- a fact which all the great lie-virtuosi and lying-clubs in this world know only too well and also make the most treacherous use of… By clever and persevering use of propaganda even heaven can be represented as hell to the people, and conversely the most wretched life as paradise.” (Mein Kampf)

    Kirk and Madsen reiterate Pollards ideas, “We have in mind a strategy as calculated and powerful as that which gays are accused of employing by their enemies. It’s time to learn from Madison Avenue, to roll out the big guns. Gays must launch a large scale campaign to reach straights through the mainstream media. We’re talking about propaganda.” (Sears and Osten p. 27)

  • sal

    ..there was a day my parents(two diff races)relationship was seen as a threat..lord knows why….two consentual adults who aint hurtin no-flipin-body yet the majority believed they were a threat

  • sal

    ..when i turn on my radio or my tv it aint interracial couples or gay couples who break into homes and hurt people,when i hear of horrible murders and rapes it aint automatic that its a interracial couple or a gay couple behind it!!!when i see wars it aint the gays behind it,waging it!!!when i look at history and all the misery that has happened it aint interracial couples or gays !!!!!!!!!!

  • getreal

    Does anyone notice that Hetroantidefamationleague (wwhat a dumb name no one is trying to take rights from straight people) can’t give a valid reason for denying rights to gays. He is no different from those who were for segregation. Another bigot trying to deny rights to a group so he can feel superior to them.

  • sal

    @getreal: with ya there

  • Chitown Kev


    and did you see this punk’s use of the word “negroid?” Major tip off that this major bigot has major issues.

  • getreal

    @Chitown Kev: I feel bad for the guy I hate to point out the obvious but he seems to have a serious problem with gay people and black people so he came to this site to incite people. He seems like someone with some issues with his own sexuality.

  • strumpetwindsock

    @getreal: @Chitown Kev:
    Wow. I just ploughed through the whole thing. That fellow was on some kind of trip.
    Probably a good thing I missed all the fun; I’ve got a deadline tonight.

    This whole issue is pretty silly. She may have lost because of that question, and I agree with you Kev, the test was HOW she answered, not what she believed. But who’s to say that was the only factor? Really she’s just using it as an excuse that may very well be groundless.

    But I still think this is a win-win story – for us, and even for the pageant.

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Once again, per the psy-ops manifesto from Kirk and Madsen, those that choose to engage in deviant homosexual behavior are attempting to equate their chosen sexual behavior with being negro. Collin Powell said it right:

    “Sexual orientation is perhaps the most profound of human behavioral characteristics. Comparison of the two, racial and sexual discrimination, is a convenient but invalid argument.”- Powell, Gen. Colin. The Retired Officer,July 1992

  • Audrina


  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    No one is trying to take away the rights of straights?! Are you kidding me?! That is EXACTLY what homosexuals are after!

    How about the female homosexuals who bought a hotel in Palm Springs, and promptly fired the straight worker because she was straight, who then filed an EEOC suit and won?

    How about homosexual pedophiles and child recruiters in Massachusetts who took away the civil rights of parents and forced their homosexual curriculum indoctrination on underage children by teaching them with taxpayers money how to homosexually fist? How about the $50k a month parents of boy Scouts of America were spending a month to try to stop homosexual pedophiles from suing for access to be able to attack their underage boys in pup tents till the Supreme Court Ruled it was the parents rights of freedom of Association. So we had homosexual pedophiles trying to take away the freedom of association of straight parents because they wanted free reign to attack underage boys. That is how sick homosexuals are.

    The hook homosexual extremists are using to take away the civil rights of heterosexuals is the “anti-discrimination” hook, EXACTLY as Kirk and Madsen schemed:

    “Our campaign should not demand direct support for homosexual practices, should instead take anti-discrimination as its theme.”

  • strumpetwindsock

    Geez, or maybe not too late.

    Sorry man, I guess I missed that directive from GaySupremacyAndStraightSubjugationHeadquarters. My secret shoe fax must have run out of paper.
    I was wondering why all my gay friends weren’t at coffee the other day. Now I know they must have been at our secret rendezvous point learning the latest mind control techniques to make all the straights think they’re black.

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Strumpetwindock uses a homosexual debate dismissive tactic called “camp”. The way the tactic works, is rather than respond to the the fact that it is a matter of public record that homosexual pedophiles were suingto take away the civil rights of parents so homosexual pedophile had access to little boys in pup tents in the Boy Scouts, and parents won their civil rights suit in a published Supreme Court decision, and rather than respond that homosexual child recruiters were caught red handed teaching underage children how to fist in Massachussets public schools, and rather than respond to books designed to take away parent rights by recruiting children into the homosexual lifestyle with strategy manuals publicly available like “Queering Elementary Education”, they deflect the public relations nightmare by not even addressing it and using the camp tactic. In debate class in high school, this was always seen as the intellectual equivalent of throwing in the towel or “your position is indefensible”.

  • steve1

    OMG! Perez Hilton is such a dick! why did he call her names instantly upgrading her? Alot of people (except us of course) now think she is some kind of hero. Perez is the real bit*****ch!

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Steve1, the fascist Perez Hilton with his fake name was using Kirk and Madsens “jamming” tactic to silence religious people.

    It is another in a long list of perfect examples of the narrow minded intolerant, homosexist, heterophobic Christian bashing, hate filled, wrong headed, mean spirited, venomous bigotry being spewed by hate mongering homosexual extremists.

    The fact that he threatened her with [physical violence had she won is another example of the Christian-bashing and straight bashing enforcers of the extremist homosexual hate mongering agenda engage in to vilify all opposition to the Homosexual Agenda.

    Chrisitans, people living with traditional values (PLWTV’s) and heterosexuals just want to be free for how they were born and who they are, which is why we need hate crime legislation to protect us from homosexual hate mongering terroristic bigots like Perez Hilton.

  • Benjy

    Is there anyone here who doesn’t realize that Hilton purposely set this misguided chick up just to get publicity for himself? He didn’t care what she answered, he just knew the question would get attention. And by cursing her out on his hateful blog immediately afterwords, he was making sure people would notice. Pay attention to his first line, “I WAS **THE MOMENT** ON YOUTUBE TODAY.” No, asshole, SHE was thanks to your narcissism. It really makes me physically ill that such an arrogant, self-righteous, hypocritical creep is desperately trying to become THE spokesperson for gay marriage. Like ANYONE would want to touch much less marry that fugly toad.

  • Attmay

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: You keep flapping your stupid gums and I’ll show you heterophobia that’ll make your head spin, breeder.

  • Chitown Kev

    Christians and heterosexuals are mutually exclusive, thank you for that bit of info.

    Oh, I see, heteros do it the hetero way and Christians just do saddlebacking. Get the fuck outta here1

  • Chitown Kev


    Christians were born that way? You really, really want to go there with your dumb ass?

    Being “born again” doesn’t count, bigot.

  • strumpetwindsock

    You know, it’s not a good idea to take hallucinogens and read social commentary. That might explain the paranoid delusions.

    Go and read “Notes On Camp” again and I think you’ll find Susan Sontag’s essay is about another subject entirely.

    Though if you are inclined to paranoia maybe you should think twice about such a bold public relations assault as posting here. We can probably find you from your IP address, and you might wind up being taken for some special training at one of our secret holiday camps.

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Mario Armando Lavandeira, Jr is the real name if the fascist, hate mongering, terroristic homosexual Perez Hilton, who has been the subject of numerous lawsuits for copyright infringement, theft, etc.

    Thanks to homosexual hate mongering bigots like Lavandeira, whose last name is derived from the Spanish word for laundromat, once again the ugly hate spewed by bigoted, intolerant, hate mongering, Christian bashing, homosexist, heterophobic homosexual bigots comes right to the forefront so Americans can see just how fascist homosexuals are. Once again the message they spew is, stay true to your Christian beliefs, and we will vilify, pillory and terrorize you and threaten you with physical violence, which is what homosexual Mario Armando Lavandeira, Jr did.

    Prejean is a student at San Diego Christian College.

    Lavanderia (Hilton) later displayed a photo of Prejean speaking into the microphone on his website. In place of the mic, he drew a white outline of a penis on her face. later displayed a photo of Prejean speaking into the microphone on his website.
    In a follow-up interview on MSNBC, the flamboyant judge was asked if he had apologized for his reaction, but instead he added to it.

    “I don’t apologize,” Hilton said on air. “Over the course of the past 24 hours, the more I’ve thought about it, the more – you know what? – No, I’m going to stand by what I said just like she’s standing by what she said. And I called her the ‘b’ word, and hey, I was thinking the ‘c’ word”

    So much for tolerance by radical homosexual bigots!

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    If you had any doubt that Miss California, Carrie Prejean, lost the crown, if indeed she ever had a chance to win it, with her answer to Perez Hilton’s question about states legalizing gay marriage, then read fellow judge Alicia Jacobs’ account of her voting. After hearing the answer, Jacobs, a former Miss Nevada USA, writes on her blog, “if I could have made her 51st runner-up, I would have.” In a blog item titled “Pretty is as pretty does,” Jacobs offers a behind-the-scenes account of the judges and pageant officials involved. Included is Jacobs’ account of her reaction as she heard the answer:

    “As she continued to speak, I saw the crown move further & further away from her. When she finished, she looked strangely proud for a moment. Personally, I was STUNNED on several levels. First, how could this young woman NOT know her audience and judges? Let’s not forget that the person asking the question is an openly gay man, at least 2 people on the judges panel are openly gay. Another judge has a sister in a gay marriage. Her very own state pageant director, KEITH LEWIS is an openly gay man who has been a very generous benefactor of hers…in many ways.

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Of course Christians are born that way! I mean, why would anyone CHOOSE something that brings down such condemnation and scorn upon them?! Do you really think they just woke up one day and decided to be Christian?! It is no different than being born Jewish or black!

    Propaganda sound familiar?

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    “We can probably find you from your IP address” writes a homosexual extremst here.

    Ah, I see the terroristic threats have started already, I wonder why it took so long. It is ashamed we have to resort to IP proxies to defend ourselves from terroristic homosexual bigots.

  • Chitown Kev



    Uh, I was born black. And though I was raised in a Christian church, I choose not to be a Christian. Of course, I never was, technically, since I was never christened, baptized, or dunked.

    You are a racist piece of scum!

  • getreal

    Everyone this person is just looking for attention through bigotry. He does not matter. Marriage equality is happening and there is nothing people like him can do about it. Let’s ignore him dialoguing with him legitimizes him. Remember people called Martin Luther King JR. a communist that was trying to take down the government because he wanted equal rights for blacks. You can’t reason with that kind of thinking and you don’t have to as it will always eventually be defeated. History has shown that America evolves on the side of justice.

  • strumpetwindsock


    Nah, I think we may have located you already.
    Never mind throwing in the towel, I want to wrap my towel around you – you forceful guy. Those big nasty adjectives just make me swoon.

    If you don’t mind my asking, how old were you when you decided you wanted to be straight?

    Just trying to figure out if we’ll be able to break your programming with the nipple clamps, or if we’ll have to use the corsetry and old steely dan.

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    “Equal rights” for pedophiles, bigamists, polygamists, incestuous relationships, necrophiles, zoophiles, coprophiles! Why “discriminate” against them too! They were all born that way so liek Kirk and Madsen said about homosexuals; “…And are thus not morally blameworthy”!

  • getreal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: Well pedophile, incest and polygamy are morally wrong homosexuality isn’t so those are bad examples. I understand that you are angry that there is another population you can’t feel superior to but maybe you should try to work to finding some meaning in your own life. If you had a good life going on you would not be so invested in trying to keep complete strangers from being happy. No malice intended.

  • getreal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: “Equal rights” for pedophiles, bigamists, polygamists, incestuous relationships, necrophiles, zoophiles, coprophiles! These are all illegal and wrong conditions. Sexual orientation is just something someone is born with I’m not moral because I was born straight. If you hate gay people so much and want them to be 2nd class citizens in their own country why are you on Queerty? Why not go to You don’t have anything intelligent to add so why not get lost you are clearly a person who has some issues of his own to address.

  • Rob

    Great publicity stunt Miss C. and Perez cooked up: Kudos girls!

  • getreal

    @Rob: What a truly stupid comment. As someone working on the Repeal Prop 8 campaign I find your attitude reprehensible.

  • Sceth

    This is the best response I could muster for you.
    Given the existence as uttered forth in the public works of Puncher and Wattmann of a personal God quaquaquaqua with white beard quaquaquaqua outside time without extension who from the heights of divine apathia divine athambia divine aphasia loves us dearly with some exceptions for reasons unknown but time will tell and suffers like the divine Miranda with those who for reasons unknown but time will tell are plunged in torment plunged in fire whose fire flames if that continues and who can doubt it will fire the firmament that is to say blast hell to heaven so blue still and calm so calm with a calm which even though intermittent is better than nothing but not so fast and considering what is more that as a result of the labors left unfinished crowned by the Acacacacademy of Anthropopopometry of Essy-in-Possy of Testew and Cunard it is established beyond all doubt all other doubt than that which clings to the labors of men that as a result of the labors unfinished of Testew and Cunnard it is established as hereinafter but not so fast for reasons unknown that as a result of the public works of Puncher and Wattmann it is established beyond all doubt that in view of the labors of Fartov and Belcher left unfinished for reasons unknown of Testew and Cunard left unfinished it is established what many deny that man in Possy of Testew and Cunard that man in Essy that man in short that man in brief in spite of the strides of alimentation and defecation wastes and pines wastes and pines and concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown in spite of the strides of physical culture the practice of sports such as tennis football running cycling swimming flying floating riding gliding conating camogie skating tennis of all kinds dying flying sports of all sorts autumn summer winter winter tennis of all kinds hockey of all sorts penicillin and succedanea in a word I resume flying gliding golf over nine and eighteen holes tennis of all sorts in a word for reasons unknown in Feckham Peckham Fulham Clapham namely concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown but time will tell fades away I resume Fulham Clapham in a word the dead loss per head since the death of Bishop Berkeley being to the tune of one inch four ounce per head approximately by and large more or less to the nearest decimal good measure round figures stark naked in the stockinged feet in Connemara in a word for reasons unknown no matter what matter the facts are there and considering what is more much more grave that in the light of the labors lost of Steinweg and Peterman it appears what is more much more grave that in the light the light the light of the labors lost of Steinweg and Peterman that in the plains in the mountains by the seas by the rivers running water running fire the air is the same and then the earth namely the air and then the earth in the great cold the great dark the air and the earth abode of stones in the great cold alas alas in the year of their Lord six hundred and something the air the earth the sea the earth abode of stones in the great deeps the great cold on sea on land and in the air I resume for reasons unknown in spite of the tennis the facts are there but time will tell I resume alas alas on on in short in fine on on abode of stones who can doubt it I resume but not so fast I resume the skull fading fading fading and concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown in spite of the tennis on on the beard the flames the tears the stones so blue so calm alas alas on on the skull the skull the skull the skull in Connemara in spite of the tennis the labors abandoned left unfinished graver still abode of stones in a word I resume alas alas abandoned unfinished the skull the skull in Connemara in spite of the tennis the skull alas the stones Cunard
    . . . tennis . . . the stones . . . so calm . . . Cunard . . . unfinished . . .

  • Dennis

    People, the poor dear is obviously not mentally well (deeeep seated issues with his own sexuality, or perhaps endured prior sexual abuse, or has an inverted penis, or is a subversive gay performance artist with way too much time on his hands, etc.)

    Anyone who is clearly so OBSESSED with another’s sexual orientation/choices is to be pitied, and perhaps directed to a local mental health clinic. (they now have medications which can help you, seriously)

    Arguing with this unbalanced troll is like trying to talk sense to the wackjob standing on the city streetcorner, shouting verses from the bible, i.e. useless. Ignore the troll, and maybe he’ll visit his insanity on some other site…

  • franco

    Trouble with all you fags is that your comments are always in “your face” comments and you have the tendency to behave like your fellow fag Barney Frank. Grow up, be respectful, quit calling us homophobes, then we might listen

  • Dennis


  • Dennis

    Honey, why would we care what a douchebag like you thinks? And the only thing in your face is going to be my load…

    Oh sorry, guess that wasn’t respectful. No offense and such!

  • strumpetwindsock

    Actually “superior” is not the right word; she’s trying to paint herself as the victim and us as the marauding hordes.

    @Dennis: You’re right of course, but sometimes it’s hard to resist toying with someone who has cooked up such an elaborate fantasy life.

    I confess I have a weakness for it. Me bad.

  • Chitown Kev


    But ma deah, you are a homophobe. How dare you come on a gay site and call us fags.

    Grow up and be respectful? Of what? Your breeder status?


  • franco

    Dennis, you see this is the problem. Stop acting like a fag, act like a real person, keep your sexuality to yourself, then I will listen. Your load, huh? Guess you have all those fag terms indelibly etched in your brain?

  • sal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: 1.the pedophile relationship is diff from the gay relationship,one is not consensual(RAPE!!!!!!!) one is(gay relationships).this was the same logic was used with interracial marriage was illegal,the who “the black man with our white women

  • Chitown Kev


    No I think his load (and mine as well, bitch) is etched on your face…

  • sal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: recently this issue was raised in a public international forum/debate and allot of responders were victims(that word is important-victims-that what makes this relationship diff)and they all said that,that they were “victims”.but what can u expect with an uninformed unintelligent person like u

  • strumpetwindsock

    A real person like the very straight fellow from the anti-defamation league, you mean?
    Do you think perhaps some of the low drama in this thread might be in reaction to his wild accusations?
    Besides, he didn’t seem to mind; he was playing right along with my little kidnap fantasy. I think it tickled his paranoid little imagination.

    But sorry if we offend you by talking about our sexuality on a site called “Queerty”; try some of the other threads and I’m sure you will find some more sober discussion that won’t offend your delicate sensibilities.

    You might actually learn a thing or two.

    Anyway… welcome, and play nice.

  • sal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: oh and by the way ,what ethnicity are u(person who speaks of who and who cannot compare the black experience with the gay experience)

  • Dennis

    No Franco, here’s the “problem”…I AM a real person, and a fag, and I OWE YOU NOTHING, least of all “keeping my sexuality” to myself on a gay themed site…and I don’t care if you listen or approve of me or whatever…you are not my judge, or my jury, or anyone who I give a rat’s ass about. Calling people fags and expecting them to cater to your heterosupremist worldview is played out hone…and Barney Frank is a hero, because he also doesn’t take crap from morons like you. If you don’t like outspoken gay opinion, LEAVE!

    Or maybe you do like outspoken gay men…hmmmm, Marco, what do you look like? Are you sure you don’t want my load…me thinks you do…

    I’m done with your ass bitch

  • Dennis

    And I just ignored my own advice, by continuing an argument with an asshole…I’m out

  • sal

    let me leave with this last this guy here who says we are the ones who hate,the basics of the argument he uses is the same ones used to justify the MURDER(MURDERRR) of gays,women,blacks,Jews throughout history.yet he wants to convince someone WE are the ones who do evil???!!!!!well talk about stupidity and delusion at its finest

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Once again, homosexuals are trotting out Kirk and Madsen’s scripted: “homosexuality equals jew equals black excuse.

    We need hate crime laws to [protect Christians and heterosexuals from homosexuals who will stop at nothing to take away our freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of worship by discriminating against us, bashing us, terrorizing us, murdering us Jesse Dirhkhising, or the two homosexual pedophiles who lured a heterosexual boy with the promise of a new bike, then raped the underage boy who refused their homosexual advances, then killed him.

    Homosexual pedophilia runs deep in the homosexual community, just look at the front page here where there is an image of what looks like a really young male, with the Homosexual pedophilia code title : “twink” which is homosexual pedophilia code for a young boy.

    Per capita, male homosexuals are remarkably more likely and do molest underage boys at a rate significantly greater than heterosexual males molest girls. But homosexuals ignore this by trying to quite total raw number,s ignoring the fact that there are about 98 times more heterosexuals.

    Right now homosexuals are busy taking away parental rights by trying to make it illegal for parents to opt out their children from forced homosexual agenda indoctrination in public school.

    Then GRIDS, which is Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome overwhelmingly is vectored by male homosexuals in Western countries, but homosexual extremists have done everything they can to lie to the public and claim a heterosexual aIDS epidemic, which never happened, never will, so they trotted out the “but What About Africa” battle cry, which also was laughed off the radar by epidemiologists and anyone with half a brain.

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    If we left it up to the homosexual fascist hate mongering Christian bashing bigots, after taking away our religious and fundamental personal freedoms, they would ship us all off to the gulags, gas chambers and ovens.

  • Chitown Kev


    Wow, do you really, really, truly want an honor roll of the murders, rapes, and beatdowns that you heteros have done against homos this year alone? Or do you really want an honor roll of the raping, embezzling, molesting that so-called Christian folks have done in, say, the past month?

  • getreal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: You are just looking for attention. I’m a Christian and you embarrass me and yourself. Why don’t you love your brother as yourself. If you don’t like people having a discussion with you don’t come to a gay site and tell people that they are abnormal and don’t deserve equal rights. The only one bashing Christianity is you pretending your bigotry is being Christian when it isn’t, trying to make people hate Christians with your bad behavior. Jesus would be ashamed of your intolerance and hatred. If you truly think homosexuality is wrong then let God take care of it. It simply is not your place to judge. “He who is without sin cast the first stone”. It is a sin to hate people based on how they were born. God made people gay or straight if you have a problem with gay people take it up with the manufacturer.

  • strumpetwindsock

    Now I never told him anything about the ovens, did you guys?

    And he even knows about THE CODE!

    The Hetero Anti Defamation League Avenger may have foiled us this time but sooner or later we’ll get you!

    ….. and your little dog, too!

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Why can’t you homosexual bigots just leave society alone and stop trying to recruit and indoctrinate our children, stop taking away our civil rights and stop hating Americans for their Christian beliefs?

    Why not try a little tolerance and open mindedness towards people who dislike homosexuals and your bigoted politics of hate and discrimination?

  • getreal

    @HeteroAntiDefamationLeague: I dare you to watch this whole video it is only 3 minutes long. No matter what you say there are too many true patriots who will no longer stand by and watch our fellow citizens be persecuted.

    For everyone else if you want to feel so good you tear up watch this video. Get the tissues LOL. Marriage should be a right for everyone not just a privilege of some.

  • getreal

    I’m going to ignore the bigot from now on. I mean Hitler thoughts the Jews were the threat and this hate monger thinks gays are a threat for just wanting equal rights. You can’t argue with a bigot they have a form of mental illness(just look at Bill Perdue). I’m going to pray for him because on judgement day he will have to pay for all this hatred and bigotry.

  • Chitown Kev


    getreal, don’t go anywhere, I have a question

    Off topic-

    Have you been checking out the reaction (specifically the AA reaction) to the Obama Administration’s boycott on the UN Racism conference?

  • getreal

    @Chitown Kev: No have you?

  • Chitown Kev

    yeah, I’ve read a little bit of it on the blogs and in the news. For the most part, I hear crickets…I also hear some AA criticism for what Obama did. And some uglier stuff, too.

    I only mention it because as someone who lives in Obama central and having observed his somewhat…tense relationship with black communities here over the years…well, let’s just say I am waiting for an “Obama is a uppity you-know-what”/Sister Souljah type moment. It has bubbled up a little bit and I expect it to bubble up more from the AA community when (and not if) he starts talking about GLBT issues.

    Hence, the reason I am watching this somewhat closely…

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    Homosexual bigots treat Christians like Hitler created the Jews. To homosexual hate mongerers, Christians at best are the new house negroes to tend to their plantation where they grow crops of new underage recruits into the homosexual agenda, and anyone who defends themselves against the Homosexual Menace, at worst, Christians are the new Jews to Fascist Homosexual bigots.

    You homosexual hate mongerers ought to try a little tolerance and open mindedness to Christians and heterosexuals who just want the rights of freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of worship, and the right to not have our children recruited, brainwashed and cruised in public schools with forced political re-education in camps like Pol Pot and the Cambodian Killing fields.

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    An example of how homosexuals take away the civil rights of heterosexuals Christians is they sued E-Harmony , a private Christians company , to force them against their will and religious beliefs to facilitate homosexual sexual relationships.

    That is why you all are a bunch of hate filled, narrow minded, intolerant, mean spirited, Christian bashing, homosexist, heterophobic, terroristic fascist bigoted Nazis

  • getreal

    @Chitown Kev: You are always try to be a voice of reason on this site please do not let this extremist get your goat or cause you to post negatively. I have learned in my dealings with Bill Perdue/Charles Mueller that it is best not to try to expect anything from a fundamentalist except hatred and anger. This guy is enjoying turning a group of happy justice minded people into angry posters. He does not matter and he knows it that is why he is trying so desperately to get attention. He does not even believe what he is posting he is just trying to hurt feelings so can feel better about his own life. Don’t let him bother you he deserves our pity and our prayers. He obviously has so much anger inside him he thrives on ours the worst thing anyone can do to someone like him is too ignore him. I have stopped reading his posts so I feel no need to react. Peace.

  • HeteroAntiDefamationLeague

    To all the normal heterosexuals and Christians, do not give up hope in defending yourselves against the homosexual bigots who terrorize society.

    Their anger and hatred consumes them, which is why they turn to drugs, AIDS, and violence far more frequently than heterosexuals.

    They hate that Christians and heterosexuals who are happy, well adjusted and will live a lifespan not statistically shortened compared to the vile, disease and drug ridden lifestyle thomosexual bigots chose, where diseases run disproportionately rampant through the male homosexual community, like:

    rectal fissure,
    anal cancer
    kaposi’s sarcoma
    Chlamydia trachomatis
    Giardia lamblia
    Herpes simplex virus
    Human immunodeficiency virus
    Human papilloma virus
    Isospora belli
    Viral hepatitis types B & C
    cryptococcyl meningitus
    Lymphogranuloma Venereum
    Homosexual Bowel Syndrome
    Non-condylomatous perianal disease
    Treponema pallidum
    Entameba histolytica
    Giardia lamblia
    perinatal morbidity
    nongonococcal urethritis
    pediculosis pubis
    Pinworm infestation
    Anorectal granuloma inguinale
    Anorectal chancroid
    Anorectal candidiasis
    Molluscum contagiosum
    Enterobius vermicularis
    herpes keratitis

  • TANK

    Are you an example of a well adjusted christian heterosexual? Posting hate speech on a gay blog at…1:47 am? And no, you’re not angry at all…touched, perhaps, but angry? You? Furious doesn’t quite capture it. Frothing at the mouth…

  • getreal

    @TANK: I don’t believe he is well adjusted or a Christian or even a heterosexual. I know my peeps and he isn’t one of us. There are a lot of very self-hating gay men who are raised to hate themselves and they are filled with rage. Heterosexual men don’t spend much time researching gay mens sex lives. Heterosexual people on both sides whether they support and work for equality (like me) or support bigotry consider this a political issue. Clearly from the few posts I’ve read from the bigot it is very personal and based on his obsessive reference to gay sexuality it seems his fascination is also sexual. It is also clear that this guy is no Christian even the biggest Christian fundamentalist he is masquerading as someone who is a Christian and was raised Christian there are certain things he said that expose him. I can guarantee this guy does not go to church or deep down believe in God. The reasons for his fear and hatred of gays have nothing to do with facts just conflicts within his own soul.

  • Aaron

    “…and…um…It wasn’t what god wanted for my life that night.”

    “That’s the way you explain it to yourself?”

    X) LMFAO

  • macscruff

    Why is the Dove company suddenly supporting Miss Carrie Prejean?

    Miss California to present at Dove Awards
    Miss California Carrie Prejean doesn’t sing gospel music, but she does enjoy the message of the faith-based genre.

    That’s all it took for the controversial runner-up to get spot as a presenter at the annual Gospel Music Association’s annual Dove Awards Thursday night in Nashville.

  • macscruff


    I do hate Christians. Christians have been the most evil group ever to populate the earth. Your numbers are falling off very quickly, no one believes your bible anymore.

    Damn it, where is a lion when you need one.

    You know the sad part is, when people like you think of homosexuals, you imagine the sex not the love. I am not gay because of who I have sex with, I am gay because of who I fall in love with. All you can think of is the sex, and it sounds like anal intercourse is your favorite fascination.

    As for your idiotic list of diseases “rampant” in homosexuals; I have just one giant Scabie. Her name is Carrie and I think she is a lesbian.

    Wow, what a loser you are buddy.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    Oh look, Macscruff in post #134 admits he is a Chrisitan bashing hate mongering bigot! Why am I not surprised you’re anothe rin a long list of homosexist, heterophobic venous hate mongerers who just want to deny the basic civil rights of Christians??!

  • getreal

    As a christian working to repeal Prop 8 I find the Christian bashing unnecessary. This man is hate monger and the only way he feels justified in his bigotry is to coax it out of you which you are allowing him to do. All the mythology and propaganda that christian fundamentalists have used in the past (gay people are promiscuous perverts who are mental disturbed and are an enemy of families) have been shattered by LGBT people living normal lives, raising families, and getting married. The emergence of gay families and societal acceptance have filled these bigots with impotent rage. Their propaganda 2.0 is that gay people hate Christians and LGBT people are a threat to church’s. They are grasping at straws that is why this man has been on here for 3 days inciting people trying to find people to validate his lies and you gave that too him. For one thing as someone who spent last weekend teaching at an activist training for marriage equality I will tell you there are a lot of Christians straight and gay doing a lot of work for equality for LGBT people. Maybe it is because as a black person I was taught how to deal with bigots from the time I was a child I try to never give them what they want. There is a reason he has ignored my posts he is only answering people he can get to. This guy has a lot of problems most bigots do I just don’t know why we as an equality community are proving the latest propaganda right by insulting christians. People are streaming out of the Mormon church angry at what they are doing to LGBT people. Ever heard of the Mama Bears? They are an organization started by Mormon mothers who are activists for equality. There are a lot of Christians in this movement we may not be at the bars but we are giving blood, sweat and tears to this movement. I’m getting sick of seeing do nothings characterize us all as bigots.

  • Justin

    HeteroDefenseLeague is the kind of person who, if the United States were ever to be overtaken by a right-wing dictatorship, would be running one of the gay concentration camps. Some people can have a moral objection to homosexuality for whatever reason. Someone like him, who is so full of hatred and feels so threatened by something that doesn’t concern him, is different. If this were Germany in 1936, he’d be attending Nuremburg rallies and eagerly awaiting the next nightly broadcast from Josef Goebbels.

    For now we can just look on him with pity and take comfort in the fact that he is where he belongs, living in his mother’s basement listening to Michael Savage while toggling on his computer between parroting on message boards whatever Glenn Beck said last night about immigrants and furiously forwarding emails about Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

  • Justin

    I love his logic too, the whole “I’m being persecuted because I can’t have it legalized to shoot homosexuals for sport,” and “Gay people are violating my religious freedom because we can’t throw them in jail anymore.” I’m sorry my existence is a threat to you, but we’re never going to disappear, no matter what you do. To quote every Republican I’ve ever spoken to for the last four years, if you don’t like the way things are you are free to leave the country.

  • getreal

    @Justin: Well put and so true.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    You homosexist heterophobic Crhistian bashers are upset that somone comes along and exposes your Chrisitan bashing bigotry and intolerant hate.

    You think taking away our civil rights and freedoms is something to do for sport, and cruising our underage kids is a legitimate past time, and if we dare oppose you trying to brainwash our children into your vile chosen lifestyle, then we are to be attacked!

    Why can’t you understand we and our children just want to be left alone? Is it too much to ask to leave our children alone? We don’t want them raped and killed like you homosexual pedophiles did to Jesse Dirkhising and Jeffrey Curley. You homosexual pedophiles even raped Curley’s cadaver after you killed him! When we protested you killing him, you called us “homophobic bigots”

    Guess who is at the forefront of trying to lower age of consent laws? You guessed it, homosexuals. Guess who marches in homosexual pride parades? You guessed it, the homosexual pedophile organization NAMBLA.

    The homosexual pedophile organization NAMBLA even has referred to as “The Rape and Escape Manual.” Its actual title is “The Survival Manual: The Man’s Guide to Staying Alive in Man-Boy Sexual Relationships.”

    Guess whose platform calls for lower age of consent laws? You guessed it, radical homosexual organization Stonewall 25. Guess who helps arrange underage children to be raped? You guessed it, the radical homosexual pedophile group “OUTPROUD!”

  • macscruff

    @HeteroDefenseLeague: Yes, I am going to speak my mind just like Miss Carrie Prejean. I hate you simply because you seem to hate everyone else.

    I am actually very scared of Christianity and it’s followers.

    You are absolutely NOTHING like your Christ.

    I don’t know many of you, I admit, but what I do see of you people are hate filled and egotistical bigots. Perhaps there are some good people in your religion, but what a power hungry group you are.

    I do know some of your history and if you want to compare atrocities; please take your own handbook’s words into mind when picking that stone to throw.

    I know this will be hard for sheep to grasp, but please try. I have never killed anyone, I have never had sex with a boy, I have never raped and do not condone any of the above.

    Why do you state that I, myself, have done these things?

    You must see past this grouping together. I personally, deserve the same legal rights as you under the constitution.

    If I were to condemn you as the whole of your group.
    YOU personally tortured and killed anyone who wasnt Christian during the crusades.
    YOU drowned almost 6,000 Protestants by Spanish Catholic troops in the Netherlands in 1568.
    YOU personally created and backed the African slave trade.
    YOU supported Hitler (yes, there it is) and prosecuted the Jews.
    The list goes on and on and on…

    If I am to believe that I am NAMBLA, I must also believe you are the true evil of this world.


  • getreal

    @macscruff: It is Christians like him that have done so much damage through history. But there are so many Christian who believe in love and equality that is why the voices of hate are getting so loud. They are desperate. If choose to judge all Christians (hundreds of millions of people) based on the actions of this unfortunate and confused man and your fear than you are no better than him. If you truly hate all Christians than you are no better than heterodefenseleague. It is unfortunate that you are choosing to judge a wide diverse group of people by the dregs of our community.As a christian who is working to repeal Prop 8 in california and working for equality in general and daily meeting christians WORKING for change your post was disturbing and very bigoted. Just because you have been victimized by people like this hetereoleague guy does not give you the right to do it to others, it is hypocritical.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    I am not Christian you Chistianbashing, homosexist, heterophobic hate mongering , narrow minded, intolerant, homosexist fascist bigot.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    Here is the little boy you homosexual pedophiles murdered for refusing your homosexual pedophile advances, then raped his cadaver:

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

  • TANK



    I believe in making the world safe for children, but not our children’s children, because I don’t think that children should be having sex.

  • macscruff


    Chistian bashing: Perhaps, but only to show you how ridiculous you are by bashing others. I openly accept this “name”.

    homosexist: Im not sure about this, I am homosexual if youre afraid of using that word. So, ok, I agree.

    heterophobic: Wow, not at all. My parents are heterosexual and most of my family and friends and I love them all.

    hate mongering: No, I cant agree with this one. I dont monger hate, I have tried to hold a mirror in front of your face so you can see your own hate however.

    narrow minded: In some aspects yes. I think your ideals are old and dead, Im not willing to embrace them so to you I may seem narrow minded. I accept this.

    intolerant: Yes, I am very intolerant of stupidity and ignorance. You Sir, I am intolerant of.

    homosexist fascist bigot: Well, the Homosexist perhaps, fascist no, and bigot; not at all.

    You better run yourself down to your church and pray cause I think somewhere in these posting you have sinned. But before you confess or pray or whatever, do you have any other names to call me???

    Seriously though, you have some serious issues. Its clear to everyone following these comments, your hostility shows blatantly.

    If you continue to stereotype you will soon alienate yourself beyond society entirely. What a sad and angry man you are.

  • macscruff

    @getreal: I agree with you. Perhaps I am a hypocrite. I do not agree with Christianity, I think it the largest scam ever. Jesus was a personification of the astronomical cycles and there were many more before him, around the world. The bible has been written to keep people in churches and paying money. I think Christians are inherently evil.

    HOWEVER. Being gay is NOT a choice. Christianity is.

    Christianity is on the decline, severely. Thank GOD for that! LOL

  • macscruff

    @HeteroDefenseLeague: So, You know, HDL, that either Jesse Dirkhising or Jeffrey Curley could have been gay.

    Both of these incidents are horrible and the people that did this to them, monsters.

    But either or both of these boys may have grown up and been gay themselves if these incidents did not happen.

    Do you think that perhaps, I should have been killed as a youth because I am gay? Perhaps aborted?

    If were all child rapers and killers, then what is stopping you from doing justice and running down to the local gay establishment and doing justice?

  • thornrige

    Do you want a list of the gay people killed by hateful assholes like yourself?

  • Sal Manilla

    @HeteroDefenseLeague: What, man get a life. youre not going to win, youre a dying breed of idiots.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    Do you want a list of heterosexuals murdered by homosexual serial killers?

    Why is it that most modern serial killers are almost all homosexuals?

    You homosexual hate mongering, ignorant intolerant Chrisitian bashing homosexist, heterophobic bigots just can’t stand the thought of anyone not agreeing with your intolerant, fascist hate mongering chosen sexual behaviors.

    We are tired of having our civil rights taken away by you hate mongering homosexual bigots. And stop brainwashing our kids and trying to take away parental rights to object to our children being brainwashed and cruised by you bigoted child molesting perverts.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    Homosexual serial killers throughout modern times:

    Jeffrey Dahmer, killed 17 people. Homosexual cannibal

    Andrew Cunanan killed 5 people

    Luis Alfredo Garavito 140+ male homosexual pedophile who raped and killed over 140 underage boys.

    Randy Steven Kraft killed 65 people.

    Michael Swango killed between 35-60 people.

    Andrei Chikatilo killed 52 people.

    Fritz Haarmann killed an estimate 40 people, and butchered their bodies.

    John Wayne Gacy killed 33 people, 27 were underage boys he raped and buried under his house.

    Patrick Wayne Kearney killed 28 people.

    Hans Grans killed 27 +, was the homosexual sex partner of The Butche rof Hannover Fritz Haarmann

    Wayne Williams killed 27 people.

    Dean Corll killed 27 people.

    Elmer Wayne Henley killed 27 underage boys whom he rape, tortured and murdered.

    David Owen Brooks killed 27 people.

    Donald Harvey killed between 25 and 40 people.

    Juan Corona killed 25 His brother is Natividad, the homosexual owner of the Guadalajara cafe in Marysville, CA

    Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo killed 21 people

    Larry Eyler killed 19 people.

    Huang Yong killed 17+ people, he murdered underage boys.

    Dennis Nilsen killed 16 people.

    David D. Hill killed 28 people.

    Dennis Nilsen killed 16 people.

    Marcelo Costa de Andrade killed 14 people.

    William Bonin killed 12 people.

    Henry Lee Lucas killed 12+ people

    Ottis Toole killed 12 + people

    Vaughn Greenwood killed 11 people.

    Richard Speck killed 8 people

    Erik Menendez killed 2 people.

    Bruce Davis killed 2 people, manson accomplice

    David Edward Maust killed 5+ humans, all underage boys.

    David P. Brown
    (a.k.a. Nathaniel Bar-Jonah) killed 3 underage boys.

    Arthur Gary Bishop killed 5 people.

    Michael Lupo killed 4 people


    Magdalena Solis 8

    Aileen Wuornos 7+

    Tyria Moore 7+

    Catherine Wood 6

    Gwen Graham 6

    Homosexuality among Serial Killers: Statistics

    Source, “over 43%”: “Homosexual Rape and Murder of Children”, published in Journal of the Family Research Institute, Vol. 18 No. 1, Feb 2003.
    Technically, 69% of the serial killers in this study were homosexuals (i.e., people who were self-described homosexuals or people who had engaged in homosexual behavior immediately prior to, during, or after committing their murders). The lower statistic of 43% cited above is the proportion who were homosexual among people who molested or raped and then murdered children: 43% of these perpetrators were homosexuals. This lower figure, however, includes people who killed only a single person, and are thus not classified as serial killers. The lower figure is used in the article above (as “over 43%”) because it comes from a larger sample size. Presumably, if the sample size were expanded to include a wider range of years, the proportion of serial killers who are homosexuals would remain between the proportion in this study who are serial killers (69% homosexuals versus 31% heterosexuals) and the proportion of all killers in this study (43% homosexual versus 57% heterosexual). Also note the approximately 50% of murders committed by homosexuals reported by Warren with regards to murders of adults. See also: Gemert, F. van, “Chicken kills hawk: gay murders during the eighties in Amsterdam”, published in Journal of Homosexuality. 26(4), 149-174 (1994).
    Excerpts, including methodology:

    Lexis-Nexis Academic Universe, an on-line search service, scans the whole text of over 50 English regional and national newspapers, largely in the U.S., but also including major papers in Australia, England, Canada, and New Zealand (e.g., the Baltimore Sun, Boston Globe, Independent [London], Ottawa Citizen, etc.). For 1989 through 2002 inclusive, every news story that included “child molestation” was examined — a total of 6,444 stories which, after eliminating repeat stories about the same cases, reduced to 1,914 unique child molestation events. The 6,444 story database was double-checked by running “murder” and “killed” against it. Only news stories were tallied, not editorials or opinion pieces, so these were stories of fairly recent events.

    One hundred and three news stories involved the rape and/or murder of children: 90 involved the molestation and murder of a child or children, 11 stories involved only the abduction and rape of children, and two the rape and mutilation, but not the murder, of the children involved. Of the 90 news stories where the child was raped and murdered (0.47% of the unique child molestation stories), 40% involved homosexual molestation.

    In the most unusual case, an “educated and relatively wealthy” leader recruited two other men and a boy. This team raped and murdered precisely 100 boys 1. The leader had had prior arrests for suspicion of sodomizing boys…

    Of the 95 perpetrators in these 90 stories, at least 43% engaged in homosexuality… Of the 217 victims, at least 68% were victimized by homosexual perpetrators, and at least 67% were boys… Furthermore, both multiple perpetrators and multiple victims were associated with homosexuality. In the three stories where two or more killers were implicated, the rapes were homosexual. In 69% of the 13 stories involving more than one victim, the perpetrator engaged in homosexuality. Another 11 stories involved a charge of attempted murder. In 64% of those cases, the perpetrator engaged in homosexuality.

    When all other cases of child molestation from the Lexis-Nexis search are added to these stories, there were 2,181 perpetrators in the 1,914 distinct events whose sexual proclivities could be characterized by the sex of their victim: 41% engaged in sex with their own sex, the remaining 59% with the opposite sex (another 118 perpetrators violated at least 190 children whose sex was not given). Of the 5,630 underage victims of these molestations, 61% were victimized by individuals who engaged in homosexuality. And those who performed homosexual seductions were quite one-sided: 3,386 of their victims were boys, only 60 were girls.

    Overall, there was a slightly higher rate of homosexuality among perpetrators who raped and killed than among those who “merely” raped or molested (43% vs. 41%). In addition, the proportion of victims attributed to homosexual perpetrators who raped and murdered was higher than the proportion attributed to homosexuals who only raped or molested (68% vs. 61%). All of the cases involving eating or torturing the victim were committed by homosexual practitioners…

    Murder and child molestation combine[ed]… are also independently associated with those who engage in homosexuality. Blanchard, Barbaree, Bogaert, Dicky, Klassen, Kuban, and Zucker, working with male offenders, concluded in 2000 that 2 the “best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2-4% of men attracted to adults prefer men; in contrast, around 25-40% of men attracted to children prefer boys…. Thus the rate of homosexual attraction is 6-20 times higher among pedophiles [those who have sex with children under the age of 12 yr.]” (p. 464).

    Likewise, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual III-R (DSM III-R, 1987) 3 of the American Psychiatric Association, summarizing the clinical material about men, states that “Attraction to girls [aged 13 yr. or younger] is apparently twice as common as attraction to boys” and notes that the “course is usually chronic, especially in those attracted to boys…. The recidivism rate for people with Pedophilia involving a preference for the same sex is roughly twice that of those who prefer the opposite sex” (pp. 284-5).

    Both of these sources estimated that about a third of child molesters engage in homosexuality — similar to the 41% of male perpetrators who ‘only’ raped the underage in the newspaper database. In other studies 4, it has also been found that male perpetrators who engage in homosexuality claim larger numbers of rape victims than non-homosexual rapists. For instance, 84% of the 28,574 children under the age of 14 who were raped in Abel, et al. were victimized by homosexuals. Also, the higher rates of recidivism by homosexuals noted in the DSM would imply more victims too.

    In line with these reports, of the 217 victims in the 90 murder and rape stories, at least 68% were victimized by homosexual perpetrators. This 68% falls between the estimate that “roughly equal numbers of girls and boys, each year fall victim to some form of sexual exploitation” cited in a recent National Association of Social Workers review of a large set of studies of child molestation 5 and the 84% reported by Abel, et al.

    Murder also appears to be disproportionately associated with homosexuality. Jim Warren did the intake interview for almost all younger murderers (i.e., those under age 36) at the Washington State Corrections Center from 1971-82. In an interview in 1994… Warren said that he was struck with how frequently homosexuality turned up in the cases…: Although the motive listed in the report was often robbery or theft, he said that “about 50% of the time” it was associated with homosexuality…

    …a group [homosexuals] constituting perhaps 1% to 5% of men (1.3% in the 1996 National Household Survey of Drug Abuse; higher in Black, et al. 7, Anderson and Stall 8, and Cameron and Cameron 9) generated 43% of those who were recorded in the most recent 14 years of news stories as having raped and killed children. [The minority of the population that is homosexual] also accounts for around a third of child molesters, commits between a third to two-thirds of child rapes, and may be involved in up to half of all murders…

    1. Popham, P. (2000) Child killer sentenced to be throttled, cut up and immersed in an acid bath. Independent [London, England] 3/17/00.
    2. Blanchard, R., Barbaree, H. E., Bogaert, A. F., Dicky, R., Klassen, P., Kuban, M. E., Zucker, K. J. (2000) Fraternal birth order and sexual orientation in pedophiles. Archives of Sexual Behavior 29, 463-478.
    3. American Psychiatric Association. (1987) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual III-R. Washington, D.C.
    4. Abel, G. G., Becker, J. V., Mittelman, M., Cunningham-Rathner, J., Bouleau, J. L., and Murphy, W. D. (1987) Self-reported sex crimes of nonincarcerated paraphiliacs. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 2 (1), 3-25.
    5. Houston Chronicle (9/26/01) Define child sex abuse to combat problem. Editorial.
    7. Black, D., Gates, G., Sanders, S. and Taylor, L. (2000) Demographics of the gay and lesbian population in the United States: evidence from available systematic data sources. Demography. 37, 139-154.
    8. Anderson, J. E. and Stall, R. (2002) Increased reporting of male-to-male sexual activity in a national survey. Sexually Transmitted Diseases, 29, 643-646.
    9. Cameron, P. and Cameron, K. (2002) What proportion of heterosexuals is ex-homosexual? Psychological Reports 91, 1087-1097.

  • getreal


  • Attmay

    @HeteroDefenseLeague: The breeder supremacist uses Paul Cameron in his research. AUTOMATIC FAIL!

  • Attmay

    @HeteroDefenseLeague: The breeder supremacist uses Paul Cameron in his research. AUTOMATIC FAIL!

    More crimes get committed by breeders in one MONTH than committed by gays in a 10 year period.

    And since the only thing breeders are good for is breeding, they are solely to blame for overpopulation.

    AIDS is a heterosexual disease. Look around Africa and note that almost all cases of AIDS are because of heterosexual sex.

    @macscruff: I agree with you about the evils of KKKristianity. As a Jew, I will never forgive them for the Blood Libels, Spanish Inquisition or the Holocaust. The recent Holocaust Remembrance Day just reminded me what these heretic murderers are capable of. How could they claim to worship a Jew yet engineer brutal attacks on his people?

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    AIDS is overwhelmingly a male homosexual disease, even when you DON’T adjust for just how rare homosexuals are, just look at the CDC Daily AIDS Summaries and Surveillance Reports you hate mongering, ignorant heterobashing bigot.

  • TANK


    You’re a fucking crank. And wrong. World wide, aids is predominantly a heterosexual disease. In the united states, however, men who have sex with men constitute the majority of hiv/aids cases. In any event, even if it were a disease that afflicted men who have sex with men and only men who have sex with men (a fact), you can’t conclude that homosexuality is wrong from that anymore than you can conclude that black skin color is morally wrong because sickle cell anemia is a “race” specific condition. And AIDS is a relatively new disease…so it took thousands of years of unbridled man on man sexin’ for god’s judgment to catch up, huh? LOL! You’re a idiot and a crank.

  • TANK


    Well, as a jew, I don’t hold it against christians for the holocaust (but maybe I could get a free drink out of it…), and I’m not going to start a moral argument against contemporary christians for torquemada’s excesses, either. It can be used as an example that religion just ruins everything.

  • getreal

    @TANK: Hetereodefenseleaggue knows he is full of it he is just desperate to argue with gay people he obviously is desperate for your attention. Why? Well I have a few guesses….

  • TANK


    Yeah, it’s Tony Perkins. He’s chumming for a date.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    Negro-immutable physical characteristic

    homosexual= chosen sexual deviant behavior

    AIDS DOES discriminate, in spite of what ACT UP sloganeers, that is why the overwhelming majority of of HIV infections via sex is vectored by male homosexual chosen behavior and that is why female homosexuals do not seroconvert at the rates male homosexuals do.

    All the lies and fearmongering homosexual bigots spewed trying to claim there is a heterosexual AIDs epidemic is laughed at by society who long ago recognized that your lies were all propaganda designed to extort AIDS funding which would be received and controlled by the self described and labeled pink mafia.

    Africa is a different epidemiological model that does not apply, as most African hospitals reuse syringes, do not autoclave surgical instruments, engage in ritual scarification and clitoridectomies, do not test blood for HIV, are immuno compomised from gastrointenstinal and other diseases, etc, etc so nice try you lying homosexual ignorant hate mongering Christians bashing bigots.

  • Dennis

    I left this thread like 2 days ago, and yet you remain, this is sooo fucking pathetic…dude, take your hands off your dick and stop wanking to Queerty as you “flirt” and trade saucy talk w/the naughty gays…and stop taking the meth, cuz you’re clearly on a 4-day bender, you’re making Jesus cry, you know…

    even your name is a pathetic joke, as 99.999999% of heteros would be mortified by your ridiculous rantings and completly disavow you to your (probably hideous) face. It’s clear you need help, so log off and go get some…

    (did i just make you shoot?) I hope so, so you can finally go to bed and get some rest.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    Dennis, you are a perfect example of hate filled narrow minded, intolerant, bigoted, wrong headed, mean spirited fascist, sexist, discriminatory, Christian bashing, homosexist, heterophobic hate and ignorance.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    ACT UP has PUBLICLY admitted they are a fascist organization.

  • Dennis

    Still pounding your meat and haven’t come yet, huh? Too bad…because what EVERYONE on this site knows (as does anyone who’s ever studied psychology, or even read three sentences of any random self-help book) is that you, my dear, have serious sexual issues. I’m sorry to be the voice of reality that you don’t want to face, but mentally healthy people don’t troll sites for days on end spewing hate…

    And the other obvious truth is that gay men’s sexual freedom and joyous, hot expression torments you…because you secretly want to experience THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU ARE RANTING AGAINST…I’m sorry for you, that all of your twisted mental suffering and anguish trying to “punish” gay people, is actually covering up your deepest, darkest secrets. You aren’t free to be yourself, and aren’t happy with who you are, so you have to find someone to blame…i.e. “the gays”…

    I know and love many straight people, and they love me, so you are absolutely wrong that I am a straight-hater…but all my straight friends love themselves, and aren’t threatened by other people’s “differentness”…

    I won’t endlessly go back and forth with you, but I do need to let you know that we see thru you…we see right thru to the core of your tormented, unhappy, possibly gay curious self…and I do truly hope you find the help you need. Soon.

  • TANK

    Negro-immutable physical characteristic

    homosexual= chosen sexual deviant behavior

    That’s called begging the question. Google it. It may improve your thinking ability.

  • TANK

    And go figure! You’re a racist puddle of vomit, too.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    No, you’re the racist, ranting, hate mongering, homosexist, Christians bashing, mean spirited, small minded, intolerant, sexist, sexual harassing, Christianphobic, fascist, wrong headed, venomous, offensive, discriminating heterobashing bigot.

    We just want our civil rights to be left alone from hate mongering homosexual bigots trying to brainwash our kids and criminalize us defending ourselves from you. You treat us like Hitler treated the Jews. We are not your house negro slaves, we need an Emancipation Proclamation to free us from your Homosexual Hate and we need protective hate crime laws to protect us from your continual attempts to take away our civil rights.

  • John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)




  • John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)


    How come you know so much about Africa? You lived there?

    What do feel about the Pope telling Africans that they SHOULDN’T
    use any condoms??????

    Esp if what you just spewed, is da truth?

  • a davis

    mmmm, Funny to see the pc queers now trying to shut down freedom of speech. You faggos need to crawl back under your rock.

  • Sal Manilla

    @HeteroDefenseLeague: Wow, playing the victim card huh?

    To everyone else besides HDL – this man obviously has some emotional issues and should be ignored completely. This kind of hostility is not natural so I expect he has done something in his past that he is still coming to terms with.

    If someone said the things to me personally on the street that he has said here I would want to kill them and probably try. But we need to accept this person is not well and hope when he does let out his aggression it is only on himself.

  • Anne

    @a davis: Either say something intelligent, have a good argument, even proper grammar OR get the FUCK off this site you silly bitch.

  • Anne

    Anyone can pull quotes from a book, a Google search and put those quotes together in any fashion. But just because you can copy and paste and have references, this doesn’t make your ideas true.

    I can spend years investigating how Christians are born Christian and have numerous references and make a valid point but we all know thats not actually truth.

    Sir HDL, you have been mislead by some old and biased opinions perceived as fact. Look into your own heart and you will see that you are wrong.

  • macscruff

    Homosexist, I know Homos exist, silly.

    You’re really special aren’t you!

  • getreal

    @macscruff: Why do you have such a problem with him you are just opposite sides of the same coin. You both think it is okay to hate and insult those who are different than you. I don’t believe in hate but if I dislike someone it is because that person is a jerk not because of their race, religion, or sexual orientation. If you hate his rhetoric like i do why emulate it?

  • TANK


    Like hitler treated the jews? Godwin’s law… Hitler treated the gays pretty badly, too, you repulsive lying sack of excrement. I wish I could treat JUST you that way, though…just for a while…long enough so you would never trivialize that again…because it’s a big mistake. Long enough so you could appreciate what bigotry means.

  • macscruff

    @getreal: I am not a pacifist. I dont subscribe to any “Christian” points of view.

    Am I suppose to love and embrace him? Turn the other cheek perhaps?

    They’re killing gay people around the world simply because they are gay. HDL’s kind of talk and rhetoric encourages this. Who knows how far this insane and dangerous man has spread his hate.

    I wish our society was evolved far enough to quit the raw show of aggression and accept each other, but were not there yet.

    What are your true feelings when reading his statements? Really?
    Are you thinking to yourself, “what a sweet but misguided soul”? Or are you thinking you’d like to punch him in the face?

    I’m not going to cover my feelings with a fake smile and ignorant closed eyes while turning away and just hoping for rainbows and unicorns. I would love to beat him down.

  • getreal

    @macscruff: I have spent virtually every weekend since the November election on the issue of equality that is what I have done. When I read his posts do i want to punch him in the face of course but I am a superior life form and will not give him the power to antagonize virtually identical behavior out of me. He to me is no different than any Klansman, Nazi, Al-Queda they won’t infect me with their evil. So I look at his posts and pity him he is on the losing side of this and his side does not have a chance because historically America eventually always evolves in the direction of equality. He came here to incite people and get proof that our side i just as hateful as his side and you played right into his hands. No one is talking about turning the other cheek but we have the moral upperhand and you squander that when you post just as much hate as the opposition. We don’t have to be hateful and foaming at the mouth because we are right and should sound rational. As far as your religion and lack thereof really who cares.It is none of my business and it has noting to do with this dialogue. I think everyone has the right to believe whatever they want but if you feel the need to hate people because they believe differently than you than you are a bigot.

  • macscruff

    @getreal: If you condense your paragraph into two sentences what do you get?

    HDL is a Nazi. Macscruff is a bigot and who cares what the heck he thinks or says.

    Youre saying the same thing, just in a really long and seemingly polite way.

  • macscruff

    @getreal: Oh, I forgot this.


  • getreal

    No you are using the same kind of hateful language as him. I would never post that I hate a group of people for their religious beliefs.He came here for proof that gay and gay positive people are hateful Christian bashers ( the right wings newest propaganda) and you gave it to him. It is not about being polite. But if you expect tolerance being intolerant yourself seems like a strange way to get it.

  • getreal

    As someone who has experienced discrimination the first thing you do is maintain your dignity what bigots want is a reaction. Freaking out like you did is exactly what they are looking for you made him feel powerful. Which is very stupid if you ask me. We don’t have to act stupid because we are on the right side of the issue let’s let the crazy fundamentalists act stupid let’s act like rational adults.Thanks for the rainbow picture though that is pretty.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    I see once again you homosexual bigots are bashing relgion just as scripted by Kirk and Madsen.

    As to the pope and condoms, the Pope is an idiot, the Catholic church prohibits birth control because they are more interested in people being impoverished so they will turn to the church for salvation, and then will donate $. All they care about is power, but homosexual extremists should be able to relate to using propaganda, recruiting and lying.

    As to Africa, no, unlike homosexuals who lie about the hetero HIV risks, I have studied epidemiology, which is why everyone knows the “But What About Africa?!” slogan created by fascist Act Up is a deflecting tactic as the African epidemiological model does not correspond to Western countries, where HIV and AIDS always has been and always will be overwhelmingly a male homosexual disease, as AIDS DOES discriminate.

  • macscruff

    I don’t expect tolerance. Do you want to be simply tolerated?

    I expect equality under our constitution. I pay my taxes, am a citizen and even have served in our military.

    When you look back our country’s civil history, Christianity has been the driving force of any oppression. This will come to blood before its gets better and if its mine than I am fine with that.

    If you are not a white man then you are standing on the shoulders of someone who has fought for you. If you are a white man, and you’re gay, are you going to cower and let someone else take the punch? Or are you going to fight back?

    If you have a better way to fight back rather than fight fire with fire, then you let me know.

  • macscruff

    @HeteroDefenseLeague: I, for one am not even bothering with you anymore. Youre a troll, youre just posting for attention.

    You were good for a couple minutes of debate, now youre just a bore.

    Hey, you know what might be good? Go check out the Pro-Choice blogs, I bet there is a whole new audience for you there.

  • getreal

    @macscruff: Act like a bigot is not going to make anyone listen to you it will only make bigots fell better about their own behavior. Do you know why mainstream America responded to Martin Luther King Jr. and not Malcolm X? Because Martin Luther King Jr. carried himself with self-respect and it made the bigots look all the worse. He didn’t try to imitate them. I’m not going to let you make this a religious discussion i don’t have anything to do with anything that Churches have done in the past and it is ridiculous to try to blame me for it. It is as stupid as blame white people today for slavery. Take some personal responsibility for yourself. If you don’t like hetereocrazy than stop trying to act like him. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery why do you want to flatter him? As soon as people like you stop having temper tantrums and ignore him the sooner he will go away. I don’t read his posts they’re just garbage if you don’t read them you won’t feel the need to respond. He is an idoditic Nazi nothing you post will change his mind why not just ignore him. Maybe if you want to stop hate you should start with yourself.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    Getreal, you are astute. Society takes note that homosexual bigots regularly spew their hate against ANYONE who opposes the bigoted Homosexual agenda.

    Kirk and Madsen were smart in that they said homosexuals need to play the victim card, but when Kirk and Madsen said homosexual agenda foot soldiers need to vilify” opposition, homosexuals have taken it too far by using scripted epithets designed to vilify opposition. It never fails that those that spew the loudest for tolerance are the last to practice what they screech.

    I do not create the hate homosexual extremist fascists spew, I merely give them the opportunity to expose themselves for the bigots they are, and like hate puppets, homosexual hate mongerers are so hair trigger quick to show their intolerance and narrow minded bigotry and even terroristic threats like Lavanderia Hilton spewed whiel victimizing Prejean, normal society gets to see another in a long list of examples of how hypocritical homosexuals are a bunch of loud mouthed, hate mongering, Christian bashing, intolerant, hypocritical, ignorant ranting lunatic bigots.

    When I post Kirk and Madsens scripted homosexual agenda psy-ops manifesto, you would think homosexuals here would see the obvious, and try not to use Kirk and Madsens tactic in their very next post, but no, like rabid lemmings, they jump head long right over the cliff and essentially prove my point for me.

    I guess when you are so blinded by anti-Chrisitan rage and homosexist, heterophobic venomous hate, intolerance and bigotry, and a desire to take away the even more of the civil rights of heterosexuals, you don’t see straight, so like I said, i merely give the homosexual bigots the opportunity to expose themselves.

  • getreal

    @HeteroDefenseLeague: Don’t address me Nazi I don’t read your posts you are just a bigot you don’t have anything to offer anyone.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    Oh, by the way, homosexual bigots, I am copying and saving all your hate filled, Christian bashing, heterophobic hate speech posted here to use elsewhere as fodder to expose just how fascist, nazi -like, hate mongering, intolerant, narrow minded, wrong headed, mean spirited, ignorant, discriminatory, bigoted and mean spirited you are.

    What is a crackup is if the homosexual community had any brains left after your bouts with AIDS related dementia, you would vilify Lavanderia and any hate mongering homosexual who knee-jerk calls anyone a homophobe just because they refuse to sing onto your agenda of child brainwashing and recruitment, homosexist propaganda, hate and bigotry. If you came to the rescue and defended Prejean from homosexual hate mongering bigots, you would garner respect, but you all are so hate filled, so consumed by rage, intolerance, and Christian bashing xenophobia that you can’t think straight for your own good. But then again, I am not surprised.

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    Getreal, no it is you who is the bigoted, fringe lunatic extremist facist nazi.

  • Alec

    @getreal: I think this is a parody of anti-gay views. Like performance art. At least, it reads that way to me.

  • getreal

    @Alec: I thought that at first but he has posted some very real homophobia and racism on other threads. He isn’t kidding he is an abomination.

  • macscruff

    @HeteroDefenseLeague: Kirk and Madsen studied human nature. This isn’t anything new, you can pick any similar oppression and compare the reactions of members of that oppressed group or societies reaction to it as a whole.

    However, Kirk and Madsen also claim that unlike being black, homosexuality is unnatural and self-destructive. That is not the case in most. The Homosexuals who believe this to be true have had those ideas pounded into their skulls by religion.

    So I gave in a little and offered a rebuttal. But do you see how you are making this a tiresome discussion and soon even you will be come to accept homosexuality as a overworked subject and have no feelings towards society as it accepts gay marriage?

  • HeteroDefenseLeague

    I am a small minded redneck but I found a way to get attention. Yay!

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