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Muslim Calls Into Progressive Radio Program, Says Gay People Should Be Killed

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Sohail Ahmed

Iain Dale, a presenter on London’s LBC radio station, was left “disgusted” on Wednesday by an antigay rant from a Muslim caller.

To help promote acceptance between the LGBTQ and Muslim communities, activist Sohail Ahmed mounted a campaign stall outside the Whitechapel station in London; a project in collaboration with The Peter Tatchell Foundation, which seeks to raise awareness of human rights in the U.K. and worldwide.

When a Muslim woman — “Zainab from East London” — called the radio station, her incendiary comments left Iain reeling: she compared homosexuality to pedophilia and claimed that homosexuality should be punishable by death.

“If people want to be gay,” she said, “go ahead and be gay, don’t get my religion involved in it and try and twist my religion and say ‘yeah we’re Muslim and gay’, just say you’re gay, why do you have you say you’re Muslim and gay?”

Responding to questions as to why gay people shouldn’t and couldn’t also be Muslim, she responded, “If they had religious views that were sincere, they wouldn’t be gay, because they would know it’s an abomination.”

Iain decided to ask her what she thought about ISIS, who throw gay men (and men assumed to be gay) off buildings to their death.

Her answer? “My religion is very clear what happens to gay people … I believe the Quran is the word of god and it hasn’t been changed like The Bible.”

At that point, Iain abruptly (and wisely) ended the conversation, leading Sohail to say, “I’m very ambivalent when I hear these discussions… because just a few years ago, I would have agreed with everything that young lady said. Even though I’m gay myself, I held those exact same views. It may sound strange but I understand where she’s coming from. Unfortunately, she’s still wrong.”

Listen to the conversation below.

H/t: LGBTQ Nation

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188 Comments

  • Alexander R. Rodriguez

    these are also the people Democrats now stand in AWE of…..

  • Giancarlo85

    Your religion has no place in government. That’s all I will say.

  • Phranc Azzhee

    Oh my allah. Kill, kill, kill is much in their vocab. Bad stance on behalf of that religion. Open gates leads to free thinking causes them to lose grip. Fear is on their side with more and more people finding self thought. We love!

  • Xzamilio

    We already know it’s not a choice to be LGBT, but it is a choice to adhere to a iron/bronze age desert belief system that should have died in the desert it came from. The religious “progress” you see are the ones who adapt to the secular values that we as a society held. Religion does NOTHING for us, and I will never understand how those of us most impacted by this dogmatic nonsense would then turn around and cling to it.

    You get tired of nonbelievers mocking your faith? I get tired of your faith mocking my intelligence!!! Get some evidence for your sky daddy and then come see me. Until then, keep your gods in your churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, and imaginations where it belongs.

  • Justin Weeks

    its ok for them to say THAT but im sure if i said i think we should kill every Muslim on the plant that would be wrong no?

  • Ed Hamtil

    Guess he had a bad experience with a gay person

  • Brian Kelly-Ried

    Geez they are the Islamic equivalent of holy rollers.

  • SeeingAll

    I think this comes as no surprise, but hopefully it’s a reminder to those wearing blinders regarding Muslims.

  • Giancarlo85

    @Alexander R. Rodriguez: You’re blabbering again mindlessly. First off these are not the people democrats stand “awe” in. Republicans created ISIL with their backwards policies. But then again, republicans also armed the mujahedin in Afghanistan who later became the taliban.

    Christianity is no different than Islam in how backwards it is. To me both need to be opposed and kept out of government. Religion has no place in public policy.

  • BJ McFrisky

    Hopefully this will open the eyes of Muslim apologists and their self-delusion that followers of this religion are a persecuted class.

  • Giancarlo85

    @BJ McFrisky: Wonderful. Maybe this will get the republican party to admit that they created ISIL. Saddam Hussein was much better than what they have now.

    Apologists my ass.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: “Christianty is no different from Islam in how backwards it is”? Depends what you mean by backwards. But….as far as barbarity and homophobia, Islam is certainly worse than Christianity.

  • Marky

    I hope she was scolded by her idiot parents for speaking to a man publicly–if she calls herself a muslim she shouldn’t be doing that right? Religion is a joke.

  • Jarodd Washington

    I think those asshole needs to be killed

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: Is that so? Bush used Christianity as a key reason to invade Iraq. The result of that? Perhaps over one million dead. Oh and ISIL was created because of Christian Conservatives like Bush.

    In terms of body count, Bush certainly outmatched ISIL and other Islamic extremist groups.

  • GTT

    Alexander Rodriguez,

    Wrong. I am a Democrat and I think the biggest external threat to American democracy is islamic fundamentalism and the biggest internal threat to American democracy is christian fundamentalism.

    I think where you might be confused is that muslims the USA are often seen as a weak and tiny, powerless minority – which they are – which is why some might see other minority groups as being sympathytic to them sometimes.

    You are not too bright are you?

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Even IF Bush used Christianity as an excuse to invade Iraq, the body count comes nowhere near the body count of Muslim-on-Muslim wars. Now…as to homophobia….

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: And where are your facts to support that ridiculously stupid statement? Oh that’s right. You never have any facts. You are only a useless inflammatory idiot who infests this forum like a cancer. I’d like to continue this but my lunch break is over.

    @GTT: Alex has a few screws loose. He can’t recognize the facts.

  • Giancarlo85

    Oh and Christian wars like WWI and WWII have killed a lot more than Islam has.

  • JessPH

    This is why Islamization of Europe is a clear threat to the freedom and civil liberties not only of the LGBTs but women as well.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Nope…Muslim on Muslim wars killed more than WWI and II. And the atheists kiled more than anyone. (You really need some more history lessons like you did about serial killers).

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Well….I used facts and links to show you who the worst serial killers were. Colombians, not Americans. But you’ll still pretend it’s not the case. So you have no credibility now.

  • GTT

    Alexander,

    Religious myth is the enemy – just like Greek mythology would be the enemy today if your government and culture were run according to it today.

    The organized religions of today are the prevailing myths of today – just like Greek mythology was the myth of years ago.

    They are no more true [Christianity, Islam, Hinduism] than Greek mythology was then.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: He’s not backing himself up. This idiot really is a worthless troll. I suggest everyone else ignore him. He’s now foaming at the mouth. Mindless ranting. I already gave him serious history lessons in the past…. and he’s still posting the same right wing trash.

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: Alex Rodriguez is very smart, but he’s slanted a bit too much. I agree with you about some U.S. folks being (foolishly) bending over backwards for Muslims because they see them as a helpless minority.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: He has a right to his opinion, and everything he says is correct. It’s just a little Right-Wing slanted, but I haven’t seen him say anything factually wrong.

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: Unless Greek and Roman mythology WAS true. Even in Iceland they’ve recently opened a major Pagan temple for the Norse gods. They see the gods and goddesses as symbolic of the human psyche, and nature’s elements. It all depends how you look at it. But, either way, it’s really just Islam that is the problem today as far as gays go, and as far as achieving civilizations go. (Can you IMAGINE wanting to move to a better country that does so well without Islam, and then trying to impose that same stupid religion in the new country ????? The gall of that. It shows there’s an inherent impoliteness, a might=right, philosophy in that religion).

  • Paul Delaware Kelly

    Tolerance. The one thing that will not be tolerated by muslims

  • Ariel Hans Christian

    Wow so much hate. Where is the parallel UNIVERSE where Hetero is the minority and shunned and has Homo Conversion Therapy. Also religion of ANY sort doesn’t exist. Aliens please invade already and abduct the BIGOTS on both sides of social/political/religious wars as your fuel for the hyper drives.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: Right wing slanted coming from a right winger. You’re delusional. And I was referring to YOU being that troll foaming at the mouth.

    Alex is stupid. Much like you. You two don’t think independently.

  • Bob Pattinson

    Fundagelical Christians would also like to see us exterminated. We don’t fit into their faerie tale, see.

  • Sam Oropeza

    What else could you expect from a horrible homophobic culture?

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: I already showed you the worst serial killers, by number of victims, were Colombians. Number 1, 2,and 3. An amazing feat. And number one was gay. (If anybody else wants the link I’ll give it here). You continue to deny this. So…if you’re just going to lie, you deserve to be ignored now.

  • SeeingAll

    @Paul Delaware Kelly: If anyone holds an art gallery showing, with Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, Vishnu and Buddha portrayed in all kinds of sex acts, which group will we, rightly, worry about coming to shoot up the place ?

  • SeeingAll

    @Bob Pattinson: They don’t run countries, though.

  • GTT

    SeeingAll,

    Scandinavian and northern European countries are some of the most prosperous and I agree that it is confusing as to why they are allowing this to take place.
    I am 100% against it. I am also 100% against christians here and elsewhere who take the bible as literal truth and try to impose it on others through culture and the political system. It is more relevant and threatening to me because it is much closer to home and much more pervasive – take suburban Dallas or Atlanta as examples. Literal interpretation in 2015 of ancient biblical texts written by tribesmen.

  • GTT

    SeeingAll,

    Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum and Ted Cruz are running for President.
    Also – put a piece of art depicting Jesus having sex in an art gallery in the bible belt and see what happens.

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: What will happen ?

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: Fundamentalist Christians are kept in check in the western world by the majority of the population, though.

  • GTT

    Bob Pattison has it exactly right.

    Gay people are a threat to fundamentalist christians because our very existence is a threat to their religious belief system.

    This is a belief system that they cling to like a life preserver.

    If we are born gay – which we are – then it means their book, the bible, is wrong.

  • GTT

    SeeingAll
    @GTT: Fundamentalist Christians are kept in check in the western world by the majority of the population, though.

    Right – but they are a powerful voting block in the Republican party and on the local level in many districts around the country.

    They have caused alot of pain to young gay people, even costing them their lives and homes.
    They are protected by federal anti-discrimmination laws based on a belief system yet have actively and legally discriminated against others based on an inborn, innate trait [sexual orientation] just so they can continue to live out a fantasy [going to heaven and living however min a cloud in the sky].

    They have tax exempt status.

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: That’s fair. I’m not saying you shouldn’t always be aware of the Fundy Christian Republican stuff. (Just that I see the Muslims as a larger threat).

  • dennis

    @Alexander R. Rodriguez: Radical/evangelical Christians are as much the enemy as radical Muslims are. Are you so naive as to assume that the folks who commit the most violence against gay people define themselves as atheists?

    And please provide some actual proof how democrats stand “in AWE” of radical Muslims, as opposed to simply not spreading baseless hatred and suggesting the same rights and freedoms be extended to Muslim Americans. Having looked at other comments you have posted i think it is a safe assumption that if you were heterosexual you’d be calling for the recriminalization of homosexuality, so deep is your embrace of foolish stereotype!

  • dennis

    @Justin Weeks: So, where exactly does anybody say it is OK for anybody to suggest death is a reasonable way to deal with gay folks. Please provide the quote from either the author of the article or the radio host that either agrees with the woman or accepts her statement as reasonable.

    And how is calling for the death of all Muslims any different from calling for the killing of all homosexuals? Do YOU consider one of those statements reasonable? And if so why?

    It is very important to learn the difference between your imagination and reality.

  • dennis

    @BJ McFrisky:
    How EXACTLY is extrapolating from one comment by an obvious extremist to characterize billions of Muslims any different from using the behavior of one queen, or a pedophile who prefers prepubescent boys to characterize the behavior of all gay people? Are you really that stupid? (your other comments and apologetics for the right wing folks who do exactly that indicates you might be).

    If you are able, please use actual facts and actual logic to respond.
    Nobody likes radical Islam, but many of us are bright enough to understand that they comprise a small subset of Islam, just as the armed Christian Identity and Joel’s Army folks constitute a small minority of Christians.

  • drivendervish

    Everybody who is gay knows it’s not a choice but the lack of definitive scientific proof is still missing and I am beginning to become suspicious that some researchers and scientists have been corrupted and taking $$ from the vast right wing conspiracy to prevent the data from being “discovered” or released. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, this is my first one!

  • dennis

    @SeeingAll: Right now, the largest worry might SEEM to be radical Muslims, but given the history of Christian terrorism in this country is it not the only worry. And given the growth of armed groups like the Christian Identity Movement, Joel’s Army, the New Apostolic Reformation, The Dominionists and others: armed Christian acts against “blasphemy”, and the erosion of separation of church and state are not far e=fetched worries for the future. In fact they are probably greater enemies of LGBT people than American Muslims (most of whom are converts and Caucasian, and those who are immigrants are seeing their children eager to assimilate).

  • dennis

    @SeeingAll: They run Uganda and have instituted horrible punishments for LGBT people. and with enough right wingers like you, the American Dominionists, supported by the tea party and many Christians WILL control this country, outlaw “incorrect” religions, and recriminalize homosexuality as “biblical law” requires.

    And you in your way advance their agenda by pushing the xenophobia that inflames fascism.

  • Xzamilio

    @GTT: Then that is selective reading on their part, because I’d say the other crap in the bible that has been demonstrated to be false should also give them an indicator that the bahhh-bul is not exactly accurate.

  • Nick Marriott

    Muslims say that theirs is a religion of peace…….does the Quran actually advocate killing gay people or is this some kind of twisted interpretation?Can any Muslims enlighten me(politely).

  • Daniel-Reader

    So, we need to ensure LGBT and Allies around the world have every possible tool imaginable to defend their human rights against genocidal regions. Just like Jewish people were equipped when surrounded with countries that want to get rid of them. LGBTA people should be afforded the same access to do what is necessary to end the genocide against them.

  • GTT

    Xzamilio,

    It is selective reading. Eventually gay people will be embraced by religious people – but it will take a long time. By then religion will be even less relevant than it is now in the western world.

  • Xzamilio

    @GTT: Oh, of course… it’ll be the same song and dance where they’ll be against it and as society changes, they will suddenly be for it and claim they were always for it.

  • SeeingAll

    @dennis: Africa doesn’t count. That place is so insane they even kill albinos for good luck.

  • SeeingAll

    @Daniel-Reader: But gays are afraid of Muslims. Look at the UK. Teachers have even been fired for Muslim parents demanding it because homosexuality was brought up in class. Look how posters like “dennis” embrace them (only using them as a tool to rant about Christianity, when you know damn well he’s not going to go moving to an Islamic country). When I say things like, “Any Muslim who touches me is going to find himself with several broken bones and a wad of pork kicked up his butt.” who gets mad at me ? Gays! “Oh no”, they say, “you’re not respecting DIVERSITY !”

  • SeeingAll

    @dennis: You can go help fight, xenophobia, Dennis, by visiting Saudi Arabia wearing a Rainbow Flag t-shirt.

  • SeeingAll

    @dennis: Execution is the law of the land for homosexuality in Saudi Arabia. Don’t talk your b.s. of homophobic Muslims being a small subset. Polls in the UK show NONE of them think homosexuality is acceptable. When they become the majority there, what do you think is going to happen ? Your silly hangup about insisting Christianity remain the main religious villain is YOUR hangup. I’m dealing with reality, and I’m not going to ignore the murderously homophobic Islamic world for your psych problems.

  • GTT

    SeeingAll,

    Here is a link to a gay muslim group in the UK:

    http://www.imaan.org.uk/

    What is your answer? Being Arabic means being muslim. Are arab’s supposed to give up their heritage? Do gays have an obligation to educate them?
    Should they be required to learn about gay people [and women’s rights?] inorder to gain citizenship in western countries?

    What is your solution to this problem?

    There are a lot of muslims in NYC who interact on very friendly terms with gay men everyday.

  • GTT

    SeeingAll,

    Should we build walls? How long will that last? The world is getting closer and closer, population density is rising, transportation faster and more sophisticated, communication same.

  • GTT

    SeeingAll,

    I know a lot of straight muslim men from the middle east – who warmly embrace gay men as friends everyday in NYC. I see it and experience it all the time.

    I am not saying that I don’t get what you are talking about – I do. But you are generalizing – that is the problem people are having with you here – because that is what has been done to them [gays] – do you see that?

  • [email protected]

    This should come as no surprise and I do wonder why so many gay people of religion feel the need to somehow reconcile their religion with their sexuality rather than throw the religous baby out with the bathwater so to speak. I suppose complete rejection of a theist emotional safety blanket can take time.

    In regards to the caller herself she regurgitates the oft repeat lie of theists that homosexuality is a choice. It seems to escape these individuals that if homosexuality were actually a choice there would be no such thing as homosexuals especially in muslim majority countries where the environment is frequently so virulent for us. This is a lie mulsims and christians frequently must tell themselves otherwise their “loving” deity is making people gay or allowing them to be born that way then sentencing them to death… something inconsistent with most theists conceptions of a loving god ergo queers “choose” their sexuality.

    Having said all this the muslim in question has a lot of gall bleating about the sin of homosexuality when her benighted prophet who was, in my opinion nothing more than another randy old goat who happened upon religion as a good means of obtaining as many women as his tongue could cope with (PLEASE prove me wrong if you can), had convenient revelations justifying fornicating with a 9 year old girl. Yeah, little girls OK but no bacon sandwhich or a consenting adult of the same gender.

    Islam disgusts me, and individuals who hold up their feelings dignified with the term faith as the arbitor of relality disgust me more.

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: I live in NYC. Do you want to hook up and introduce the gay-friendly straight Muslim men to me ? Seriously. I’ll give you my cell.

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: My solution is to not let any of them into Western Society. They’re not like Hindus. They can’t assimilate while retaining their own culture.

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: What people here are having a “problem” with me ? Two or three idiots ? The rest of these posters know I’m right, in spite of what some airheaded college professor tried to push into their heads.

  • SeeingAll

    646…

  • [email protected]

    @GTT: You know a lot of mulsim men who are ok with gays? That’s nice but only shows most people are more decent than their religions.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: I already showed you how George W killed over 800,000 during his reign of error (terror). You raise the level of stupidity to new heights. Your stupid statements on some serial killers are nonsensical. It just makes you look like a hysterical schizophrenic idiot.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: You don’t know the criminology definition of “serial killer”, then.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: You are a demented loser. People are tired of you on here. You try to be an au-contrarian and you try to be smarter than everyone else. You FAIL miserably in every sense. Then you go insulting an entire country because of the actions of a few. Somebody like you shouldn’t even be allowed to use the interet. Actually you should be locked up in a mental hospital.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: You don’t know shit. You really don’t know a damn thing. Where did you get your education? Did you even graduate high school?

    PLEASE STOP TRYING TO ACT SO SMART. You fail so miserably at it. And do you ever log off? EVER? You’re on here more than anyone else. You always reply with some stupid snippy little comment… it just makes you look like a stupid dumbass nobody wants around.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Pol Pot killed between 1 and 2 million, but he’s not considered a serial killer either.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: You’re ticked off that I educated you on serial killers. And, still, one country (Colombia) having the top 3 !!? How did you even manage that one ? Each one of those killers with over a hundred victims ??

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: You really are so dense. Who was talking about Pol Pot? Try to stay on subject!

    Good god… you really don’t know anything. The way you talk about a country based on the actions of a few… borderline on dementia.

    We get it… you don’t like me. But don’t be talking shit about an entire country because of an vendetta.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: YOU shouldn’t be able to use the “white man’s invention” computer at all.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: You didn’t educate me on shit because you are a mental basketcase. The US produced a serial killer than murdered 800,000+ people… and you voted for him. Another guy drove a truck into the federal building into Oklahoma City.

    How do you manage to be such an offensive sack of fucking shit?

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Well…you spouted that the U.S. had the top serial killers and…I had to correct you. And you’re mad at me for THAT ? I saved you from looking ignorant at a dinner party.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: Except the white man didn’t invent it and certainly didn’t perfect it. Somebody like you should be banned completely from using a computer. You should be locked up in a mental hospital.

    @SeeingAll: Yes the US does. One murdered 800,000 by tellign a lie. But I guess you agree with Stalin. “To Kill one is a tragedy, to kill a million a statistic”.

    You are a fucking ignorant hillbilly. You don’t realize how many killers are walking free in this country.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: I didn’t vote for Bush. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. And you said the U.S. had the top serial killers and I had to correct you. (In fact of the top ten serial killers worldwide, only one American makes the list. Number 10).

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: So I guess terrorism is better than a serial killer? And I think killing 800,000 is better than killing a 100 or 200. Wow… you probably think Stalin is a hero. You are a Stalinist. I just figured it out. And yes the US does have the top serial killers. They just call themselves patriots.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: I can’t wait to hear your version of who invented the computer and developed the internet. (The Olmecs?)

  • Giancarlo85

    Idi Amin, like Bush, killed hundreds of thousands. But he is fine. He did it with a military. That makes it all better. If the guy is wearing a suit and was falsely elected it makes everyone who dies legitimate… righhhtttttt…

    Thanks for exposing your true colors, SeeingNothing.

    You’ve just been rickrolled.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: You can’t get out of it. Colombia produced the three worst serial killers. Now…if you want to move on to discussing terrorists, tyrants, rampage killers, druglords, and other baddies…that’s fine. But it’s a different subject.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Idi Amin is deceased. Though nothing he did was fine.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: And this laughable clown is still at it.

    You accept more than 10,000 deaths because that is a statistic. You are a Stalinist. You are fine with mass atrocities as long as it’s done by a guy in a suit or uniform.

    You’ve been rickrolled royally here.

  • Giancarlo85

    I was trying to post a youtube video of the Rick Astley song… but I guess that’s blocked… comments weren’t showing up.

    Man, SeeingNothing… you just don’t get how badly you’ve been trolled. You fell right for it.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: And the first of your Colombian killers was gay. Which is bad publicity for us. (Thanks a lot).

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: You are such a stupid hysterical person. Do you ever have anything nice to say? Or is it just right wing dementia? Most serial killers and mass murderers are straight men.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Who’s talking about most ? I just said the top one was gay. (Most serial killers are straight men because there ARE more straight men).

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Embarrassing ? No. You should be embarrassed, though. Using my computer invention, and in MY country, and all you do is clack around on high heels and shriek about how awful white people AND Americans are. You should be a hooker back in Bogota…you’d be of more use.

  • Giancarlo85

    Oh and considering you were born in Baghdad, how is the US your country? You don’t own anything, except your soiled underwear.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Who invented the computer, and the internet (and the plastic and tubes and wires and phone lines…)? This I gotta hear.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: So…you came to the U.S. and consider a lot of Americans good, but the ones you think are bad would be weeded out if you had the power?

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: Anyway, do get back and let me know if you want the rest of my cell number, to hook up.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: Not a white dude. But that’s a nice try really.

    @SeeingAll: Well they would be prevented from ever having power. Too much power gets to the minds that easily corrupted (like your own).

    So have you tried tide with those soiled underwears?

    @SeeingAll: LOL You want to hook up with people on here?

  • Giancarlo85

    BTW, who invented the computer? It wasn’t a white American dude. I would correct myself though.

    I would say a white BRITISH dude. Charles Babbage.

  • Ummmm Yeah

    Well UK, you let these barbaric sand mutts in and you knew full well what they think and how they act. Your government still isn’t protecting you from them, so what are you going to do to protect yourselves?

  • SeeingAll

    @Ummmm Yeah: I’m afraid the Englishman has become too weak to fight them. This is just ONE of many homophobic instances over there. There’s also been the mass rapes of Rotherham. It’s just a gradual takeover and move into Shariah Law as they see there’s nothing the English will do to stop them. Now the French…that’s a different story. They will never give in to Islam.

  • ButtStuff

    Would someone, please, change Giancarlo85’s diaper. It stinks soooooo bad.

  • ButtStuff

    NOT IT!

  • Sluggo2007

    More religious BS!!! (Yawn)

  • Sluggo2007

    @ButtStuff: He can’t help it. He has terminal oral diarrhea.

  • Louis

    I just cant I cant listen to this ridiculous shit anymore Im tired of it period.

    This woman is an imbecile who paints Muslims as radical extremists and that is not true maybe some are but it doesn’t define them all.

    This lunatic is no different then any Christian who believes we should be put to death all these religions seem to have crazy ass unhinged truly certifiable people who should be institutionalized instead of given an actual pulpit to spew this kind of disgusting hatred and discrimination towards their fellow human beings.

    Fuck her and people like her im past the point of tired of this mentality and the fact that she even said that about ISIS speaks for itself as to how deplorable and despicable these people actually are.

    Brainwashed or not it doesn’t matter the fact that these people think this way and feel this strongly against us is appalling and absolutely revolting.

    Thankfully not all Muslims are like this woman and not all Muslims think this way about us and the ones who do fuck them because eventually natural selection will take its course in that regard.

    Why should we show these people any amount of empathy or compassion as human beings when they rarely ever show that to us as human beings?

    Nope if you cant show us respect you don’t DESERVE respect.

    Respect is earned in this world not freely given you have to EARN IT.

  • Louis

    @Ummmm Yeah: Combatting discrimination WITH discrimination does not make us look any better then this rotten individual.

    Although I respect your passion and understand your indifference with people that act like this woman does.

  • Daniel-Reader

    @SeeingAll In response to your note to me, I see what you’re saying. I agree you have every right to defend yourself against any religious person putting their hands on you. I would say however that gay people are not afraid of Muslims, given that many gay people ARE Muslims. I would say gay people and straight allies do not like to think about having to resort to retaliation to end human rights violations against LGBTA people. After all, LGBTA people outnumber all the politicians and religious leaders combined on the planet by a vast amount. And LGBTA people have access to everything – all professions, scientific knowledge, every tool, etc. There isn’t any real obstacle other than the natural civility of LGBTA people. It’s not much different than the first women’s rights convention when the men and women agreed the largest obstacle to rights for women was convincing women (who were raised to think they were inferior) that they indeed deserved equality and respect and should therefore not tolerate being treated less than equal.

  • SeeingAll

    @Daniel-Reader: The gay people who ARE Muslims have to keep their meeting places secret because they’ll be attacked by……Muslims. We’re also talking about people (MUslims) who see “civility” as a weakness and only respect Might=Right. Thanks for your response, though.

  • SeeingAll

    @Louis: Enough Muslims ARE like that ….they watch public executions for homosexuality in Saudi Arabia.

  • Stache99

    This is how the Muslim world still deals with gay men. Amazing how some here see things with rose colored glasses.

    https://youtu.be/kB2BLg0A0vw?t=30s

  • Stache99

    I have no use for Christianity either but stop the idiotic comparing of the two like apples to apples. We’re not talking about simply taking away your rights. Muslims will just kill you. Lets be a little real here.

  • Stache99

    Lastly, a recent Pew poll confirmed that 80% of muslims support the death penalty for gay men.

  • Giancarlo85

    @Sluggo2007: Look in the mirror.

    Nobody is seeing things with rose colored glasses. Christianity would do the same thing to us if they had the chance.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Must be creepy for you, then, walking around Los Angeles and knowing all Christian Latinos are looking at you and just wishing they could hang you.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: And he’s back at it… posting the endless flows of bullshit and nastiness. Must be the disorder acting up again… time to get back on your meds, little one! You support ISIL and you would have gay people hanged from buildings.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Because “Christianity would do the same to us if they had the chance”? That’s the type of fantasy bullshit the gay ghetto loves to cling to which is just…bullshit. What primarily Christian country (throughout South America, Europe, the U.S., the Phillipines, etc…) executes for homosexuality ?

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: Again, you support ISIL and you’re a lazy bullshit artist. What else is there to say? Uganda anyone? You love Museveni too.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Nope, not Uganda. Uganda is homophobic, yes, but…I’m talking capital punishment. If you know Muslims and Chistians want to hang you, then WHY aren’t you moving to another country ? Japan, India..there are plenty of countries where the majority is neither Muslim nor Christian.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: You are a Museveni supporter and you love ISIL too. How can you be such a walking contradiction? Why do you want to hurt gay people?

  • youarekiddingme

    Who invented the computer again? Charles Babbage…

    @SeeingAll:

    What’s your response to that? Who was that American you were going to say that invented it? Hmmmmm?

  • BitterOldQueen

    @Giancarlo85: I generally agree with the pox-on-all-their-houses sentiment, but in historical fairness if you want to point to “Christian wars” then you have to go back to the 13th century crusades. WWI and WWII were not religion-based wars. Though you could make a case for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars being religion-based.

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: I said a “white” man. Dope. (lol)

  • SeeingAll

    @BitterOldQueen: He’s going to shout , “You shut up !! You love ISIS ! The Colombians invented everything. You’re a Republican. I’m beautiful!! aaaghhhh!”

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: BTW : The largest number of Nobel Prizes in the Science categories (Chemistry, Physics, Medicine, etc) were won by the UK, the U.S., and Germany. Fact. Stick that one up your…..(or ignore it and shriek along with GianCarlo that most inventions were NOT by Caucasians).

  • GTT

    SeeingAll,

    The radical christians here are not able to get away with it so they are exporting it to Africa – where American christians there are spearheading a propaganda program demonizing gays as pedophiles, feces eaters, cannibals, you name it.

    Also look at what christianity in Jamaica has done to the gay people there. They are regularly terrorized, beaten up and killed.

    The most catholic parts of Poland are h*ll for gay people.

    Just sayin’

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: I know all about that. They’ve exported witchcraft fears into Nigeria too (there’s a documentary on the subject that’s absolutely shocking to watch, but I forget the name of it). But….come on, none of that here-and-there stuff equals the Muslim world.

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: But do you want to hook up or not ? I seriously want to meet these Muslim straight men you claim embrace gay men every day. Because I find it hard to believe you. I’m not saying you’re lying, just that you’re…imagining it or something. Or at least give me a good explanation why you don’t want to (although I’m a sane little guy and I don’t know why you wouldn’t want to..)

  • Giancarlo85

    @BitterOldQueen: Religion had a huge part of it.

    SeeingNothing is an ISIL supporter. He even said it himself he likes what they do to gays in Iraq.

    @SeeingAll: And more idiotic revisionism from the white supremacist.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: It’s easily looked up.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: And nobody believes a damn thing a know-it-all multiple posting nutcase like you has to say. Who the fuck are you to speak for others?

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: Anybody on here can look it up for themselves. You should be thankful, instead of yelling at me about it.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: Yes. Folks. After he is driven out of other articles by multiple facts, he resorts back to this usualy bullshit. “Look it up” – the words of a failure.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: Anyone “can look it up”. Again, the words of someone with no argument and no real evidence. And the only thing I should be thankful for is making you look like an ass. And I’ve done that a number of times.

  • SeeingAll

    @GTT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRqrGHA-Azs This is that documentary, but it’s NOT for the overly sensitive. (Note : In Saudi Arabia they put people on trial for witchcraft too. Execution if convicted is beheading with a sword. Seems so weird in a country with cars and skyscrapers).

  • youarekiddingme

    @SeeingAll: Exxcuse me, in the post above you said, “…using my computer invention and in MY country…” Now, since you have never proclaimed to be British, and you have been standing up to be a steadfast American (which I am also), I could only deduce that you were saying that your computer was invented in your country. Incorrect. It was not.

    Now lets see, after our last discussion that ended on such a civil note….Dope? Hmmmm. That doesn’t sound very Civil to me? Care to retract? Didn’t call you a thing, merely pointed out an error in your post.

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: Nope. It was a response to his anti-white racism. The U.S., specifically, had nothing to do with it.

  • Giancarlo85

    SeeingNothing, AKA MJ, AKA ButtStuff: “I’m too lazy to come up with my own argument so I either post youtube videos or post nothing at all. Hey want my phone number so we can fuck?”

    There is no “anti-white r*a*c*i*s*m” on my part. I only have problems with white supremacists like you, seeingnothing.

  • youarekiddingme

    @SeeingAll: Why all the anger? You were the one who came out swinging in the first place….Check the posts above…

    BTW, if as you state, it had NOTHING to do with the US SPECIFICALLY but was about White Racism….Why were your words, “…uning my computer invention in MY country…” Sounds to me like it was SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED TOWARD A COUNTRY!

    Oh, and as I figured, no retraction on apology for your rudeness to me. Just remember that. Put that in the back of your mind for later thought.

  • youarekiddingme

    @youarekiddingme: “Coming out swinging” has to do with you challenging almost everyone first on this posting…

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: I never started swinging first. Anybody with even the slightest discerning abilities can see who is the foolish aggressor here.

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: “using my computer invention” (referring to white people) in MY country (referring to the U.S.). The first part refers to Caucasians (who he puts down) and the second part to the country he lives in (which he immigrated to but always puts down). What is so hard to understand here ???

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: And why are you focusing on me and not the liar swearing that the Nobel Prizes in the Sciences weren’t won by the U.S., the U.K., and Germany more than any other countries ?

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: You are the aggressor and have been since day one. Your country didn’t invent the computer, and neither did caucasians. You are a white supremacist first and foremost. Many inventions are attributed to those who are not white. Maybe you should think about that first.

    You are a dangerous person and a disgusting one at that. I never put down America. I put down f-king idiots like you who are destroying this country.

  • Giancarlo85

    People like SeeingAbsolutelyNothing are destroying this country with their inflammatory rhetoric. And he always has to bring up my background in his childish little taunts. One day it’ll all catch up with him.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: “and neither did caucasians” LOL.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: “And neither did Caucasians”, you say, as all the self-hating gay whites nod along and agree with you on that. “And we didn’t create film or the automobile or the polio vaccine either..”

  • youarekiddingme

    @SeeingAll: You didn’t start anything? Really? How about at 2:08 pm (yesterday) you started with Giancarlo85 (and you know what happens when you open up that can of whop ass)? Then you attack Paul Delaware Kelly at 3:56 pm (yesterday) and Bob Pattinson at 3:57 pm (yesterday). Don’t try to defect that now. You DO stir things up here. Always have to be right. It’s getting old.

    Do you really believe your screen name? “Seeing All”…Really?

    Btw, your explanation of the whole computer thing…Your explanation makes ZERO SENSE! Now it’s a “white people” thing? The second part about country…YOU SAID THAT…had nothing to do with his country. Had everything to do with YOU.

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: Yeah, sure. Says the self-hating white man.

  • youarekiddingme

    @SeeingAll: OUCH! You got me!!! You addressed nothing—because, as usual, you have nothing! You stir the pot in here just to get things going…as I have just proven.

    I have a 24 year long standing committed relationship (married now). Had two careers (retired). Been in the military (combat vet). University Grad. Wtf have you done “Dumpster Dave”, besides sit at home and watch what others have done? Talk about fights at bars…tell me about history that you’ve read out of a book and/or regurgitated from some professor’s mouth? Your types are a dime a dozen little one. Go out and get a little life experience and then come and talk with the grown ups.

    Self-hating…ha! I loathe your type. Liars who can’t move out on your own and support themselves. Career students who will NEVER amount to anything other than a wall full of useless “paper degrees”.

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: And, yeah, I do see all. I see you standing there like a grinning idiot in the midst of GianCarlo saying a white man didn’t invent the computer. What happened in your life to turn you THAT self-hating ?

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: You say nothing. You sit there and accept someone saying a white man didn’t invent the computer. And that the worst serial killers were Americans. Both factually false. So…all your experience taught you nothing. You still hate yourself.

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: And ifyou think I’m a liar I’ll give you my cell and hook up with you anytime. I’m in NYC, where are you? (And I never went to college to hear some dingbat professor tell me I’m an evil colonialist).

  • youarekiddingme

    @SeeingAll: You clouding the issues once again!!!!! I never, ever, ever, ever, ever talked about any of those other issues that your referring to.

    Your statement about the computer issue was FALSE. PERIOD. ACCEPT IT!! I don’t give a fuck what he said! I’m not reffering to it. I was talking to YOU!! Not your friend GIO! You said it was invented in YOUR COUNTRY (i.e., US), factually INCORRECT! I don’t care what he said, I was speaking directly to YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU! Get IT?

    You are delusional if you think you do SEE ALL!

    OH, HEY, what about your ATTACKS on others on this blog? I pointed them out to you…You never addressed them…How about it???

  • youarekiddingme

    @SeeingAll: HOOK UP….With you? HA! I have more respect for ANIMALS than to let them “HOOK UP” with you!

  • youarekiddingme

    @youarekiddingme: This is NOT a HOOK UP/DATING WEBSITE/APP you loser! Look elsewhere. Talk to your whore friends who sponge off their moms in their basements like you do…

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: You sit there and accept a guy saying a white man didn’t invent the computer. But you feel you need to correct me if you thought I said an American invented it rather than an Englishman. You’re a typical self-hating academic gay white wuss. And if you don’t want to meet to back up what you say face-to-face, don’t even talk to me. And if the Muslims ever put a noose around your neck, don’t expect help from me. Maybe GianCarlo will come running (come clacking) to save you…LMAO.

  • youarekiddingme

    @SeeingAll: Funny, I don’t think he’s Muslim? Have you ever been to a Muslim county….I have.

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: Oh no…it’s not for a sex hookup. Can’t you, in a civilized manner, stand behind your words and meet with me to see how accurate or not your fantasy is…of me being in college and living in a parents’ basement?

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: And I bet you were openly gay there…?

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: Then don’t pester me again you self-hating white wuss.

  • youarekiddingme

    @SeeingAll: See you never addressed the fact that you were the one who instigated on this thread are you? Caught in your LIE again. Can’t handle the facts when presented with them as I did above…

    I am openly gay…whatever that means? I don’t walk around with a rainbow flag but I don’t deny it either. Never have. I don’t know of anyone who is openly heterosexual either…

    I told you earlier, when you first called me “Dope” to remember that and put it in the back of your mind….Do you remeber that?

    You didn’t take heed of my warning then. You never apologized for your personal attacks.

    The only way I would EVER meet you would be to show you what a pathetic troll you truly are. You have no one. No one would ever date you! You are no one. The only thing you deny is not being a student and not living in your mom’s basement…pretty much a total loss after that.

    You jump on here to attack others and expect that no one will confront you. Wrong again. You are an inflammed boil on the buttocks of the world. You need to be lanced and doused with peroxide and plenty of antibodics to rid you of this earth. So long you pathetic sack of puss.

  • SeeingAll

    @youarekiddingme: Skip away now, sissy. (And stop drinking).

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: You are a nasty self hating bigot that gives your phone number out on websites. You are probably disgusted at yourself when you have sex with some pugdy old man you met on some website. Internalized homophobia. Not only that you are an incessant x*e*nopho*be bigot who espouses lies.

    You got whipped like the coward you are and you enjoy getting repeadely destroyed. Your bigotry is indefensible, as well as your white supremacist beliefs. Bigots like you have no place in any developed country. Your inability to see facts is evident by your lack of objectivity. You are one of the most idiotic irrelevant fools I have ever encountered on here. You make BJ mcfrisky look like Einstein.

  • Giancarlo85

    *repeatedly

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: No, you got whipped. You were spouting that the serial killers with the most amount of victims were American. So I linked you to just one site that listed how the top serial killers turned out to not only be not American, but…Colombian !! LOL. What were the odds of that happening ? If that was put in a play or short story no one would believe it.And, if I was self-hating, I’d just sit back and let you get away with putting down my race (like youarekidding does). White men invented the computer, and there isn’t a thing you can do to change that.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: And you continue because you hate yourself that much. I repeatedly beat you in every argument. The worst killers are Americans. So would you ever date an Austrian man? This is how fucking stupid you sound. You are a pathetic little bigot who got destroyed. You are a compulsive liar. No, white men did not and white men didn’t create the internet either. You are a shitty little human being and a white supremacist. You are worse than scum and you are a historical revisionist. You lie about everything and anything. Nobody likes self hating white supremacist f*GS. Continue crying like a little coward. You dont even know who invented what.

  • Giancarlo85

    You are a sadistic little prick. And you love getting beaten in everything you say. Fucking creep. Go to some other site. Nobody wants white supremacists on here. You have no place on here. I am so tired of your know it all bullshit. You are a coward who doesn’t have the balls to say this to any person. May you rot in your own disgrace.

  • SeeingAll

    @Giancarlo85: LOL. Go back to Colombia then so you don’t have to be in the U.S. around murderers.

  • Giancarlo85

    @SeeingAll: Go back to Baghdad… The place you were born.

  • youarekiddingme

    @SeeingAll: And that’s the best you’ve got? Skip away now sissy? (and stop drinking)?

    Never even addressed the issue of you starting up all the trouble on this site cuz you know you’re a lying sack of donkey shit.

    Seeing All…See this? It’s me showing you the south side of a north facing horse. You can kiss that side you mongrel!

  • Giancarlo85

    SeeingNothing. He is mad I didn’t want to hook up with him. I think that is what this is about. I rejected his advances.

  • Daniel-Reader

    @SeeingAll I see what you’re saying about “civility’ viewed as a weakness by some. As you know, the LGBT & Allied community has proven it has its limits on civility when encountering discrimination – Stonewall, for example, and the White Night Riots (as two events directly connected to injustice towards the LGBTA community). It’s pretty telling that Stonewall is hailed as a milestone celebrated year after year – a reminder that when push comes to shove the LGBTA community is not above shedding civility. I would also say that there is no press coverage when LGBTA people get revenge for wrongs since those who harm LGBT & Allied people do not know when it is LGBTA people who achieve retribution. They don’t even know when a region decays or is destroyed by something unrelated directly to LGBTA issues – whether such was wrought by LGBTA people since LGBTA people are not limited to just one avenue of response to atrocities against LGBTA people. And LGBTA people raised in any region where you must literally fight to survive, no matter who you are, have a different set of skills than those raised in less trying circumstances. A young person forced to have the mindset of a soldier is a soldier regardless of whether they are LGBTA or not. I think the reason regions need to stop harming LGBTA people is because LGBTA people have no reason to go along with it at all or to refrain from responding as needed. LGBTA people are just like everyone else after all.

  • kafal

    and muslim always expect people to tolerate their behaviour, seriously they are so pathetic. i’ve never felt sorry for every single bad thing happened to them. not at all

  • martinbakman

    Didn’t the Brits bring anti-gay hatred and laws to their empire in Africa, the Middle East and elswhere ?
    If you look at the terrible gay hatred in the X-tian countries in Africa then one might reconsider the root of the problem, that Muslims have same flaws as non-Muslim backwards countries.
    But in the end, I’m uncomfortable around any religious fanatics, including Muslims. I get a lot of flak for saying it but I’m uneasy about Muslim refugees coming to the States.

  • Louis

    @SeeingAll: I don’t really disagree with you about that man im just saying not all of them are that way those who are were raised that way so its just as equally their parents fault as it is theirs for allowing their impressionable young minds to be brainwashed to hate us and want us dead.

  • SeeingAll

    @Louis: It might not be their “fault” to feel as they do but they’ll still kill us. And maybe not “all” feel that way, but too large a percentage do. When they execute for homosexuality in Saudi Arabia and the population just accepts it, and then the majority of Muslims in the UK and the U.S. (slight majority in the u.S., higher in the UK) say they want to live under the same (Sharia) Laws…..that’s unacceptable, and probably will have to be dealt with sooner or later (unless their numbers don’t grow in western countries). And this is just the gay-related problems. And some gays (suicidal?) get mad at ME for taking these positions. Some even jump to conclusions on everything else about me : I must be a Christian-apologist, I must be Republican, I must be…etc etc). No, I’m just pointing out the obvious, though i take no pleasure in it.

  • Xzamilio

    @SeeingAll: Not this stupid trope again with the atheists. Yeah… Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin were atheists… no one disputes that. Did they kill for atheism? NO, they did not… they killed for Communism, another power-infused ideology that replaces deity worship with state worship. So let’s not get it twisted… there are no tenets of atheism, no doctrine, nothing that can be misinterpreted as a call to arms to murder. So nice try, but no dice with that static.

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