GROW UP, KIRK

National Homophobe Kirk Cameron Thinks His Remarks Were “Loving,” Has Support Of Gay Friends

After tossing a bomb at gay people last Friday on Piers Morgan’s TV show, former Growing Pains star Kirk Cameron has decided not to apologize for what he’s said, despite GLAAD and other gay groups’ demands.

After Cameron called homosexuality “unnatural,” “detrimental” and “ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization,” his Growing Pains co-stars Tracey Gold and Alan Thicke called him out on his backwardness over the weekend.

Cameron said in an e-mail statement to ABC News today:

“I spoke as honestly as I could, but some people believe my responses were not loving toward those in the gay community. That is not true. I can assuredly say that it’s my life’s mission to love all people.”

“I should be able to express moral views on social issues, especially those that have been the underpinning of Western civilization for 2,000 years—without being slandered, accused of hate speech, and told from those who preach ‘tolerance’ that I need to either bend my beliefs to their moral standards or be silent when I’m in the public square.”

“I believe we need to learn how to debate these things with greater love and respect. I’ve been encouraged by the support of many friends (including gay friends, incidentally).”

Again, who are these gay friends? Show them to us, please.

GLAAD’s Senior Director of Programs and Communications Herndon Graddick responded in kind:

“Saying that gay people are ‘detrimental to civilization’ might be ‘loving’ in Kirk Cameron’s mind, but it’s gay youth and victims of bullying who truly suffer from adults like Cameron who espouse these ideas. Cameron used his platform to attack gay Americans and is now attempting to play victim in an effort to sell his upcoming movie. That Cameron would risk the health and safety of young people in order to do so speaks for itself.”

“So many Americans, popular celebrities and Christian leaders have stood up and said his views are out of touch. The fundamental dignity of gay people should no longer be a debate in this country. Obviously, Cameron has the right to recite his anti-gay talking points, just like fair-minded Americans have the right to tell him that his views are harmful and have no place in modern America.”

You tell ’em, Herndon. And if you’d like to tell Kirk to change his views, GLAAD has already nearly 6,000 signatures on a petition to tell Kirk Cameron to grow up.

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116 Comments

  • ChristopherM

    I’m sure this dickbag also thought it was loving when he was harassing the writers of his show to change his lines to reflect his narrow view of morality, but still allowed them to have him make fat jokes about a thin woman with obvious eating disorders.

  • Mike

    I’m assuming by “gay friends” he means “people undergoing Marcus Bachmann-style therapy.”

  • Fitz

    GIVE.ME.NAMES.
    Who are these gay people who find Kirk to be loving? Hmmmmmm???

    This weirdo wants to go back in time to when gay people
    were treated like perverts, and June Cleaver had a meatloaf ready by 6:00.
    AND.. this FREAK (and yes, I am FINE with attacking him personally) is also
    one of those ‘Left behind” morons. lol!!! hahahahahahahaa What a douche!

    I wish he were here. I would LOVE the chance to tell him how I feel about
    demonizing gay kids in a private space with no witnesses.

  • Isaac C

    I do not support what he said but I don’t doubt that he has gay friends who support him. With the way some organizations like GLAAD talk and pounce on people, you’d think they spoke for all gay people and not just the extremist leftist gays they pander to.

  • hunnylvr

    And really, who gives a flying fuck at a rolling donut what this used-up, has-been, wing nut thinks?

    This year, the right wing politics and moralizing from fundie head cases is really, really scary. I mean, I know they’ve always been around, but it’s as though they have re-distributed the Kool-Aid and got way more of the weak-minded in this country to drink.

  • Belize

    @Isaac C: Hey, troll! Look! I’m paying attention to you. I guess you can go back under the bridge now. ‘Til next time.

  • Belize

    @Mike: You should realize that given Kirk’s idiocy, people who don’t make fun of him are considered his “friends.” I’m sure a number of gay people, like Isaac C for instance, have “denied” themselves that pleasure. ;)

  • Fawkes

    @Belize: That makes two of us! Maybe this’ll tide him over until the next douchebag shits all over our community.

  • Isaac C

    @Belize: Ummm…what? Is this supposed to be funny?

  • drewa24

    You know…His GAY friends, wink?! Like the one that’s rimming his hole of milk and honey, and the one that’s equipped with that 9″ staph, while Kirks a prayin he be a layin on that that huge man-pipe of indignation! OOOHHHH JEBUS, I’M CUMMING!!!

    See nowadays one can openly be racist, homophobic…whatever, just use that clever gambit of religious freedom, works every time. Gotta hand it to those repubs and the fundies…TRICKY,TRICKY,TRICKY.

  • Isaac C

    @Eric Auerbach: Actually I wouldn’t be. But thanks for assuming I hate myself just because I don’t hate Cameron like you do. Perfect logic there.

  • JohnAGJ

    @Isaac C: One doesn’t have to support GLAAD or be an “extremist lefist” to find his comments to be reprehensible. I support his free speech and religious freedom rights, but that in no way means I agree with or condone his beliefs and his words.

  • tookietookie

    “I can assuredly say that it’s my life’s mission to love all people.”

    What a slut.

  • codyj

    can u get me a two piece ‘corderoi’ wholesale??

  • Oh, ok.

    Prostitutes are not your friends.

  • hf2hvit

    @Mike: No…he meant Marcus Bachmann!

  • John Doe

    Your hair dresser and makeup artist don’t count as you gay friends, they only tolerate you because their getting paid to do so.

  • prince of snides aka divkid

    yikes! whatever he’s doing with his mouth in that image is unnerving!….
    god forbid it entails sore knees, alter boys, or requests to: “show me your crocoducks.”

  • Charlie in Charge

    Hmmm I see what he means by being allowed to criticize in the public square, but he also falls into the trap of not letting people criticize the critic. He can make a statement like that but then doesn’t think it’s fair that people say he is a jerk for for making it.

  • Mike

    Unbelievable! Why is that a Christian sharing his moral beliefs gets bashed and accused of being a hater? The only hate message I have heard or seen from this whole thing are from those bashing Kirk Cameron. This article is telling Kirk to grow up when everyone else is acting immature by bashing him. UNBELIEVABLE!

    Stay strong in your faith Kirk. You are not alone. You have many people praying for you.

  • Isaac C

    @Mike: Yes. The hypocrisy from gays is ridiculous.

  • Traci

    Kirk has undoubtedly lost his mind.

  • Mr. Robertson

    @Mike: I know, right? Pointing out that his remarks are offensive is *totally* the same thing as blaming homosexuals for the decline of an entire civilization.

    Besides, it’s not like we’re sharing OUR beliefs when we tell him with disagree with his statements; as everyone knows, homosexuals don’t HAVE beliefs. Only Christians do.

  • Mr. Robertson

    @Isaac C: “The hypocrisy from gays is ridiculous.”

    Did your wish come true? Are you not gay anymore?

  • Traci

    I am a Christian, a “Born Again” as a matter of fact, but these Christians who preach the horrors of homosexuality give Christians like me a bigfat headache. God is ALL love, and we are ALL made in His image-saying homosexuals are unnatural is saying God makes mistakes, and I would NOT wanna be those people when it’s time to meet my Maker! I can no more “help” that I was born a heterosexual anymore than anyone else can help the way God made them….frankly, jack-asses come in all types, and THEY need the help. Nobody’s journey is the same as anyone else’s. People like Kirk act like homosexuality is something new, but what is really new is that they no longer feel shame, for they are made the way God meant for them to be! Amen (:

  • drewa24

    Stay strong in your faith KIRKY. You are All alone. You have many people praying for your death. Please Mary Hausfrau don’t even start with me, I’m having a heavy flow day.

  • averageguy40

    I’m gonna have to agree with Mike and Isaac here. Kirk has a right to feel like he does. He has a right to say how he feels. That’s why we live here. It does seem that most of the hate on this site always comes from the gay guys saying how wrong it is to hate others. Even if you don’t agree with what he says, it seems pointless to accuse him of being a closet case, or that he doesn’t truly have gay friends. Shame on some of you.

  • Mr. Robertson

    @averageguy40: God, you people are thick. No one is arguing with his *right* to say what he said, just with the *content* of what he said. And just as he has a right to express his views on homosexuality, we have a right to express our view on his statements.

    Is this really so hard for you morons to understand?

  • the other Greg

    @prince of snides aka divkid: True, it’s an interesting pic. Damn – I get home after a long, hard day of destroying civilization, and all I can think about is how God sure gave Kirk Cameron a perfect cocksucker mouth… OOOOOOOOOO!

    @averageguy40: “It does seem that most of the hate on this site always comes from the gay guys saying how wrong it is to hate others.” Well WHO STARTS IT? EVERY TIME? Some self-righteous, self-pitying religious person. If you cry about getting stung by hornets, try NOT poking a stick into a hornet’s nest.

  • Wyrdo

    @Mr. Robertson:

    Yes. It is. The incessant hand wringing of people who pick a position like Averageguy’s stems from a faulty equation: free speech ? factual speech. If the guy’s an ass, then it’s an equally valid stance to call him on it, especially since he was the one to make the statement in the first place. It’s the same position Sarah Palin took in 2008 when people called her out on her bullshit that she was making up about Obama- just because it’s your right to make a statement doesn’t mean you can’t get called out for being an idiot when it’s shown that you’re wrong.

  • Jackson

    @ averageguy40, no one is saying he doesn’t have a right to say what he did. We are disagreeing with him. We have the right to disagree, and are free to voice our disagreement. Do you live in some parallel universe where peoples’ views aren’t challenged??

  • the crustybastard

    KIRK CAMERON: It’s a fact that Jews are poisoning our wells and eating Christian babies.

    SENSIBLE PEOPLE EVERYWHERE: The fuck? Shut your whore mouth, you ignorant, bigoted motherfucker.

    KIRK CAMERON: What? I love Jews and my Jewish friends love me. I have a right to my opinions! Why is everyone persecuting me?

  • Wyrdo

    @the crustybastard:

    Ten points for you, sir. Well done. Of course, to be fair, us Jews have to befriend lots of Christians so we can get to their babies, especially this close to passover, so it’s not entirely an accurate analogy.

  • prince of snides aka divkid

    @Mike: all the fun went out of christianity when you got rid of the lions. pfffft.

  • Mr. Robertson

    @the crustybastard: There are definitely a few Jews whose horn I’d like to grab.

    Thank you. I’m here all week.

  • Wyrdo

    @the crustybastard:

    Not the Jew horn! That’s the source of our power, and how we control all media!

  • Aric

    @tookietookie:

    That came out of nowhere. I was not prepared. I would like this if I could.

  • Wholly Mary

    … and then she woke up!

  • Paul

    1.) I have to admit, I’ve been on the fence about this one for a bit. At first, I thought “no, I don’t like what he said”, but he *is* entitled to his opinion. However, when I heard Sara Gilbert, like Herndon says here, it is a big risk to the youth when they do hear messages like this, and I have to agree with that. It is dangerous.

    2.) I’d probably still bang the shit out of him, tho. Head in the pillow tho so I wouldn’t have to hear him talk…just scream into the pillow.

  • the crustybastard

    @Wyrdo:

    My Chinese herbalist has switched me over to Jew horn since that rhino stuff is getting so expensive.

    I’ve never felt more robustly sinister. Thanks!

  • a.mcewen

    @Mr. Robertson: They understand the fact that we are not bashing Kirk Cameron’s right to free speech. They repeating that talking point ad naseum for bad effect.

  • Traci

    HA! I literally LOL at that one, well played!

  • prince of snides aka divkid

    @Traci: thanks, you’re a christian sweetie.
    oh, yeah, and i may have consigned you to hell with me.
    and in that case: NO BLOODY TAMBOURINES, OK! …. eternal torture, indeed! :P

  • Cam

    @Mike: said…

    “Unbelievable! Why is that a Christian sharing his moral beliefs gets bashed and accused of being a hater?”
    _________________________

    Nice try. I LOVE how people try to pretend that a “Belief” or an “Opinion” can’t be bigoted.

    The KKK have “Opinions” That doesn’t change the fact that they are bigots and their opinions are hateful.

    The reasons behind Cameron’s beliefs are irrelevant. He is a bigot and his beliefs are hateful.

  • Cam

    @Oh, ok.: said…

    “Prostitutes are not your friends.”
    _____________________________

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Nice!

  • Wyrdo

    @the crustybastard:

    Shh. You don’t want to set off the “grinding down jew horns is MURDER” crowd. They’re pretty touchy.

  • Pablo

    Why don’t reporters call out these homophobes when they say that their gay friends support them and their dumb ideas? Really?! Who are these gay friends of yours who support your idiotic beliefs? Show us who these friends are. Ask them to come out on your side.

    It’s like racists saying, “Oh, it’s ok. I can say that. I have black friends.”

  • iDavid

    @Traci

    I know there are many moderates in your religion. I wish you would unite and start a group w teeth in the media, soas to counteract the extremists who make you and the rest of us sick. In a way it really feels like your responsibility to do so. You are after all probably outnumbering the wackos. Why not make a public stand by moderates who feel extremists are destroying your religion? Unless that is, you nay be scared of rejection, or want to see your religion fail, or don’t care enough that kids are dying over not standing up, or you don’t care enough or don’t have time. What might it be? Why don’t moderate religious rationals have a public platform?

  • Macmantoo

    Kirk has the right to say what he wants to say, and others have a right for a rebuttal to say what they want to say. The problems is too many people are pushing their “choice” of what they want to read in the Bible. Personally I don’t beleive in the Bible, it’s a book written by man, not God. Too many forget that the bible is just written by man. But if your going to use the Bible for your beliefs, then use the WHOLE BIBLE. Not just was fits your needs.

  • Heh

    Who cares?

    Haven’t heard from the man for 15 years. I doubt we’ll hear from him again for another 15, when he’s caught trying to pick up guys in some public rest area.

  • mylife

    Kirk is HOT!!!

  • Joh

    Oh, this man of god said homos are unnatural
    so it must be okay to bash them right?
    That is what inbreeds hear and why this is not acceptable
    He is a famewhore grifter!
    And tricks do not count as gay friends!!!

  • CBRad

    @Joh: “..inbreeds ..” ? I don’t know if most gay-bashers recently have been inbred. They didn’t look it.

  • benjamin

    @Mike:
    This is why: I love Christians and all religious people, so i pray for them every night in my quiet moments with the Almighty, to give them wisdom, to open their hearts and minds to show their love to others by letting everyone have a smooth and joyful and adventurous life without anyone bashing or denouncing them by using bad words, bad jokes, hateful gestures and attitudes or body language, ugly imitations, or physically harming them. And I will shut my mouth about them, because Jesus says: don’t let your left hand know what good deeds your right hand does. So nobody knows what I look like, what church I belong to, what books I read, how I think about anyone or the world. Since the Almighty created and is still creating more wonderful things for us to be friends with and make harmony and peace with. I don’t complain, I don’t judge, i don’t become self-righteous. Therefore, if you bash others due to what you believe, you will be bashed and need to be corrected. Remember: an eye for an eye. All you have to say, if you choose, is: I believe. Because if you really believe, then God or whatever you believe in knows everything and everyone before you do, and knows better, correct? Or actually you don’t really believe, or perhaps don’t believe fully, don’t believe enough? Then, just say: I kind of believe.

  • ben pin wang

    Don’t assume everyone talks on tv is a healthy person . Panophobia is described as a vague, nonspecific and yet overwhelming kind of anxiety. Some describe it as a fear of “persistent evil,” as though something terrible is always about to happen. Many religious people have a case of that, severe or minor, and that’s why they need to believe in something to protect them from their own fear. And denouncing this “evil” keeps them sane for the moment, same as an addiction.

  • ben pin wang

    @ben pin wang:
    Sorry, not keep them “sane”, but keep them “feeling safe” for the moment, same as an addiction.

  • ewe

    any self respecting gay person would not befriend that asshole.

  • iDavid

    Kirk Cameron is a liar and is paying the price. If he could back up any of his statements as truth in fact, then the wolves would back off. Until then, while we watch the gay children he is shoving down in the school hallways (attempted or thinking suicide 1 in 3), he’s fair game.

  • christopher di spirito

    Who cares? He’s a stupid Bible thumper and not particularly educated. The South is full of his ilk. As a gay man, my life is full, meaningful and happy. I’m not remotely interested in an “apology” from Cameron.

  • hudson

    @christopher di spirito: I tend to agree with you. Especially since that apology would be laced with ‘if’s’ and ‘but’s’… While he tends to sicken me with his views, he’s at least not offering up a platter of insincerity with a fake apology.

  • christopher di spirito

    @hudson: I find it more than a little odd that gays need or want an apology from Kirk Cameron? Like his POV carries any weight? It’s 2012, for goodness sake. Cameron is a loon; a kook and a moron. The more he flaps his piehole the dumber he sounds. Let him speak. It just makes us look and sound better.

  • Shannon1981

    I spot ex gay influence all over this. If he were actually relevant, I’d care what he has to say. However, since he hasn’t mattered in several decades, I simply pity him. I came back from the ex gay experience spouting this same brainwashed nonsense. Wonder who coached him on his talking points, NARTH or Exodus? Mark my words, he’ll snap. Just wait for it.

  • iDavid

    Shannon1981

    “He’ll snap”? What does that look like?

  • Shannon1981

    @iDavid: He’ll wind up either going completely nuts, or picking up men at rest stops.

  • iDavid

    I don’t think he’s gay, do you?

  • Shannon1981

    @iDavid: Yeah I do. Always have. I also think he is so religious he’s psychotic. All you have to do is listen to what he has to say on any number of subjects to know he’s off his rocker.

  • iDavid

    haha ok, my gaydar never went off on him, but I always thought be was hot. You are right, his religious shtick is over the top. Did u ever see those spots on tv where he was out in the streets hooking for god getting people to feel guilty about their past and them hutting em w the Jesus card?

  • Shannon1981

    @iDavid: Yeah. And the thing is, looking at him, I think he believes what he says…all of it.

    Furthermore, when he speaks on homosexuality, he has that same brainwashed look every ex gay I know has. And the talking points are textbook. The last thing they do before you leave ex gay therapy is heavy coaching on what to say to those who “promote homosexuality as natural and normal.” I was just like that. Only I imagine it was a lot more creepy because I was only 12.

  • Richard Ford

    Kirk Cameron has a point about being allowed to state his views without provoking reactions of hate or rage against him. Instead, the reaction of people like myself, who believe his ideas are wrong, should be one of engagement. By that, I don’t mean I am proposing marriage to him (as he will no doubt be relieved to hear). By “engagement” I mean, if we are to be civil and do him the courtesy of not despising him, we must demand that he attempt to elucidate and logically support his arguments.
    Cameron told Piers Morgan that homosexuality is “unnatural…detrimental and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.” I did not see the interview, and so I don’t know how Morgan reacted. I would hope he pressed his guest on at least the phrase “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.” Like asking, “How many foundations?” “Which ones, exactly?” “I imagine you know some gay people, possibly even some who are in same-sex marriages. Can you tell us precisely how those people and the relationships they share are destructive to the foundations of civilization?” “Can you cite for us other examples of phenomena that occur in nature that are ‘unnatural’?”
    I don’t know whether Cameron could hold his own in a discussion of this type. But I would love to see him squirm in the effort. And then, if we’ve held off hating him, we can at least ridicule him.

  • Cam

    @Shannon1981: said…


    Mark my words, he’ll snap. Just wait for it.”
    __________

    Will it be a triple snap in “Z Formation”?? :)

    AS for your comment that his words have “Ex Gay” Written all over them. Not only have there been rumors about this guy for a while, but One of them members of that early 90’s group New Kids, who has a gay brother insinuated that Cameron has the same reason for hating gays that Ted Haggard had….fear of themselves. They would have been running in the same circles back then, so I think you nailed it.

  • Mike

    @Isaac C: If it weren’t for those extremist, pandered-to gays, we gay guys would still be marrying women, creating loveless marriages, killing ourselves and limiting our sexual exploits to bushes and back alleys.

    The “extremists” are the reason many of us are here today, living happy lives secure in our identities. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, douche.

  • Shannon1981

    @Cam: LOL. Honestly? I just hope his *snap* doesn’t go in the self destructive, suicidal direction mine did. Seriously, as much of a nutjob and a dickbag as he is, I wouldn’t wish that sort of anguish on anyone. The thing is, I know this because I went through it. I said the same bullshit to folks who told my parents that they had run me nuts and to get a real psychiatrist post- haste.

    As for the rumors, I don’t doubt it…not at all. In fact, I want to know two things:

    1) Which ex gay group got a hold of him and did such a good job and

    2) How much he paid the dudes he’s been fucking in secret to keep quiet.

  • LittleKiwi

    i’d love to hear interviews with these, uh, “gay friends” of his.

    truly.

    unless he’s breaking the ninth commandment and is just plain LYING.

    it seems more and more that Gay Conservatives are the reason for anti-gay prejudice in the Conservative Right. After all, every person who makes anti-gay statements then claims to have “gay friends” – well, clearly these Gay Friends are such lousy people that they lead them to believe that LGBT people arent’ deserving of Equality in America.

    or they’re just cowardly doormats who say “i respect your opinions that are disrespectful to me. i’m not like one of those liberals that is going to demand dignity!”

    when gay conservatives “tolerate” intolerance they prove that they don’t respect themselves. if you dont’ respect yourself then nobody else will respect you.

  • Shannon1981

    @LittleKiwi: If there are indeed any “gay friends,” they are probably to the gay community what Allen West and his ilk are to the African American community.

  • Shannon1981

    @Richard Ford: The thing is, his words and actions actively deny rights and protections to nearly 40 million Americans. His sort of condemnation is the reason for these suicides,etc. Now, to that end, I think any hate and rage coming his way are more than well justified.

    Also, how the hell do you propose to *engage* an individual who is so clearly brainwashed by fundamentalist religious dogma?

  • Isaac C

    @Mike: “If it weren’t for those extremist, pandered-to gays, we gay guys would still be marrying women, creating loveless marriages, killing ourselves and limiting our sexual exploits to bushes and back alleys.”

    We’re still doing all that, even with the option not to. Yeah, congratulations to the extremist gays.

    “The “extremists” are the reason many of us are here today, living happy lives secure in our identities. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, douche.”

    LOL, the HIV rates, drug abuse, suicide rates, promiscuity, and everything else point to the fact you aren’t happy, secure, or fulfilled. And now you are telling me to “smoke” something. Considering the facts, that’s such a “gay” thing to say.

    I stand by my comments. Sorry.

  • Shannon1981

    @LittleKiwi: I can’t stand him. I notice he blocks anyone who leaves him less than glowing praise on FB.

  • LittleKiwi

    expecting Logical and Reasonable arguments and discussions from Kirk Cameron is useless, and here’s why: the specificities of his beliefs can only be held if one chooses to intentionally ignore all the factual, EMPIRICAL evidence that actually proves them WRONG.

    this is not a case of “different beliefs” but a case of a man who chooses to ignore proven factual reality in order to cling to a chosen “opinion”.

    this is an evolution-denying “Adam & Eve are literal historical figures” idiot. his beliefs exist only as long as he ignores factual scientific reality.

    why does he cling to these beliefs? fear. his stance is one of willful ignorance – it’s not that he’s not heard the facts, nor heard them in a “calm, and rational manner” but that he CHOOSES TO IGNORE THEM because acknowledging them proves him wrong.

    now, I’d love to ask Isaac C to show us all the incredible example of a Gay Man that he claims to be, perhaps via his own youtube channel or webpage, but we all know he’ll be incapable of doing that as he’s one more complainer living with one foot, and both balls in the closet.

    now, isaac c, before you ramble about how i’m wrong, how about making me look REALLY foolish by PROVING me wrong by showing us a youtube video of yours? and now i await another ramble where you give an excuse for not doing so.
    ;-)

  • LittleKiwi

    fun fact: those defending Cameron and criticizing the “gay leftists” don’t have the balls to show themselves, of the Incredible Example of Truly Tolerant Gays that they claim to be, via their own website or youtube page.

    i call your bluff, boys: i think you’re a bunch of wimpy closeted trolls. don’t tell me that i’m wrong, PROVE that I’m wrong.

    or, do what you all do best – continue to prove me right :D

  • Cam

    @Isaac C: said…


    LOL, the HIV rates, drug abuse, suicide rates, promiscuity, and everything else point to the fact you aren’t happy, secure, or fulfilled. And now you are telling me to “smoke” something. Considering the facts, that’s such a “gay” thing to say.

    I stand by my comments. Sorry.”
    ____________________________________

    So which rates are those? Lets see the links. You are making vague generalities and acting like it underlines some point you have about gays. SO again, lets just see, how your little list of wrods actually defends your argument.

  • Queer Supremacist

    Dear God,

    Please smite Kirk Cameron.

    Amen.

  • LittleKiwi

    i’d love to see Isaac C make a youtube video wherein he puts a face and name to his comments :D

    the best way to change the idea about “extremist gays” is for you, uh, “non-extremist” gays to grow a pair and stop hiding :D

  • Shannon1981

    The thing that many here are missing and that I understand because I went through it is this: Kirk Cameron is brainwashed. No, really, he is. And, for fun if you like, look up those tv spots mentioned upthread where he is ranting in the streets about god and heckling people. Even other Christians find him embarrassing and think he is in need of psychiatric intervention.

  • Mike

    @Isaac C: Your understanding of “facts” is obviously a tenuous one. You’re not even worth debating because there is no debate. Perhaps you could go troll on Youtube?

  • ??? ??? ??? (formerly Isaac C)

    @Cam: Cammy, hon, you use the internet. All of that information is at your fingertips.

    @Mike: Typical denial and resort to “troll” label. Thanks for your dishonesty Mike.

  • oker zaude (aka Isaac C)

    There we go.

  • LittleKiwi

    you could always prove us wrong and show us your youtube videos where you put a face and name to your articulated arguments :D

    got the balls to do it?

  • Shannon1981

    @LittleKiwi: I think at the very least a blog/multiple photos, if not videos are in order. Show a strong internet presence as an out and proud homosexual.

    To be fair, I had to remove my previous youtube work due to the field I am going in. I can’t offend potential employers. However, considering that it’s gay people, not Corporate America, who has given me a job so far…I am thinking of making more videos soon.

  • LittleKiwi

    well, it’s just fairness, Eh Shannon? People sure do love to complain from underneath their Internet Burqas.

    it’s like those girls in high school who complained, every year, about how lame the school dances were and yet never joined the committees that organized the dances.

    there’s no better way to make your point than to stand up to be counted, and say it loud and clear.
    put a face and name to your statements. HOPE will never be SILENT.

    :D

  • Richard Ford

    How sad to read these comments which respondents have sent in and realize that the large majority of them reveal prejudices, emotional baggage, closedmindedness, and a penchant for oneupmanship and petty bickering that prevail over civility and demean the tenor of these discussions, which could be productive and transcend childish tantrums and name calling. I see very little thoughtfulness here, mostly kneejerk rants, divisiveness, and chiding of each other, when in fact most of us who write in are in basic agreement about the underlying issue.

  • Shannon1981

    @LittleKiwi: Meh, I am trying to not be mean. I mean, anyone who googles me sees all sorts of blogs, photos, articles,etc. But I can’t tell him to make tube vids when mine are down.

    You are right, hope will not be silent. I personally refuse to be silent. I am kind of in a “come what may” stance for typing, voicing, or in any other way telling the truth of being Gay in America. I honestly think that, as someone who has lived through homophobia in the extreme, I have not only a right but a duty to do what I am doing.

    @Richard Ford: You really need to realize that the man is a deeply in denial, closeted homo. He is. I recognize this because gasp! I was one. The shit he is saying, I said it too. It is no more true now than it was then when I said it 18 years ago.

  • LittleKiwi

    agreed, Shannon.

    richard, you seem to be under the impression that at no point in his life has Cameron ever had to address issues of scientific and sociological realities.

    he has. he is an evolution-denying, willfully-ignorant lemming.

    it’s like the discussions with Wendy Wright of the Concerned Women for America – when plainly, calmly, and directly engaged in discussions on human evolution she evaded, evaded , evaded , evaded. why? because the only way she can maintain her beliefs is to ignore factual reality.

    http://youtu.be/Wsaa3RxjTWA

    check it out.
    kirk cameron is from the same non-school school of non-thought thought.

    you seem to be unaware of Cameron’s history of ignoring proven scientific fact. have a fun youtube hunt – it’s all on there. this is not a man who has yet to have a calm rational dialogue about his beliefs, and about science and sociological realities: this is a man who continues to choose to ignore those realities because they prove his chosen beliefs wrong.

  • Shannon1981

    @LittleKiwi: Kirk Cameron is a known bible literalist. He truly believes the Adam and Eve in a magic garden with a talking snake not knowing they were naked bullshit. To me, that is frankly delusional and dangerous.

  • shannon

    HEY GUYS!! IS HE STILL “HAWT”?????

  • TASTEY GOODIES

    @Shannon1981: HOWDY HO, CHICLET!@LittleKiwi: SO GLAD YOU’RE BACK, DUDE!!!!!!

  • LittleKiwi

    i’m not staying. this place is as full of idiots as ever. it’s always the same thing – 1 or 2 insecure cowards posting back and forth with various fake names.

    a site full of Sybils.

  • TASTEY GOODIES

    @LittleKiwi: PLEASE DON’T LEAVE! I VALUE AND RESPECT YOUR OPINION, DUDE. I WAS WONDERING WHAT HAPPENED 2 U. SO WHAT DID HAPPEN?

  • CBRad

    @Unfortunately: Yes, I’m sure divkid secretly fantasizes about his lips pressed to Kirk’s right there.

  • prince of snides aka divkid

    @CBRad: @Unfortunately: PARP! PARP!
    …collapsing car…
    i see the clowns are back in town…
    and, no, i don’t want to smell your goddamn flower! (or kirks.)

  • miniature Kumquat

    @LittleKiwi: “i’m not staying. this place is as full of idiots as ever. it’s always the same thing – 1 or 2 insecure cowards posting back and forth with various fake names.”

    As opposed to KIWI?

    Gee, if that troll of the month Isaac C has worn you out, you don’t have much stamina!

  • Shannon1981

    @TASTEY GOODIES: Hey girlie. I hope Kiwi stays as well. He is a breath of fresh air for me for a lot of reasons.

  • SFHarry

    It would be great to find who these “gay friends” are and interview them. See what they have to say. This is why hearsay is not admissible in courts.

  • Shannon1981

    @SFHarry: There are no gay friends, unless they are the Allen West equivalent of the gays. Uncle Tom types. Being both African American and gay, I am familiar with both varieties. Believe me, they don’t count.

  • iDavid

    Shannon1981

    So I responded to you yesterday morn like immediately, hit the submit button and w oosh all my comments I tried to post all day went flying off to forever never land. Ugh. Per-chance changed email this am for a fix. It worked.
    So now that mirky Kirky has been fully disassembled, I want to add that his rel conversion was immediate and classically ridden w judgement via his own guilt, which is a huge sign he had serious shit he was trying to resolve. Even his cast members found him a total “growing” pain. When ya add it up you are probably right. I think we are going to see alot more of these guys “comin to Jesus” sooner than later. Would be interesting to see how Canada is doing with this issue.
    My sense is one of his six kids may take him down by being gay and not budging for rel smackkk.

  • iDavid

    Old address works.

  • Bryan

    If Rick Perry can have gay people working for him and taking his money, then it’s not unfathomable that this douche has gay friends.

  • kaizen66

    @Traci: You’re right… Homosexuality is not new… it has been around since biblical times and God addressed it in the Bible… All Kirk Cameron did was reiterate what God said. Homosexuality is a sin and it’s an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. Saying someone is born gay is ridiculous. It’s like saying someone is born a murderer. Please, we all have urges, desires, feelings… it doesn’t make them right. It doesn’t mean God made a mistake. It means WE need to DECIDE how we are going to ACT on those urges.

  • iDavid

    @Kaizen66

    Prove everything u just said. Yeh you can’t, don’t even try. You’re busted now move along.

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