What perfect timing! Just days after Philadelphia Gay News‘ Hillary Clinton-donating publisher, Mark Segal blasted Barack Obama for not talking to the press, The Advocate announced that it’s about to publish an interview with the presidential candidate that it conducted yesterday. Via Dallas Voice:
Michelle Garcia, an editorial assistant for The Advocate, told Dallas Voice on Tuesday that the interview will be posted on the magazine’s Web site Thursday. It marks Obama’s first interview with a gay publication since October, when he spoke to The Advocate in response to the controversy surrounding Donnie McClurkin.
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A spokesman for Obama’s campaign said Tuesday that the interview with The Advocate was scheduled prior to publication of the PGN edition and was not done in response to [PGN‘s criticism], which drew widespread media attention.
Forgive our skepticism.
Meanwhile, is The Advocate the only gay publication on Obama’s radar? C’mon! Show the little guys some love, dude.
foofyjim
I hoped they asked him to explain how Civil Unions aren’t “separate, but equal” to Marriage.
Kevin Foster
“I hoped they asked him to explain how Civil Unions aren’t “separate, but equal†to Marriage.”
I wouldn’t count on The Advocate asking that question, but I share your curiosity on that matter.
I find it very disturbing, to say the least, that a self-identified black man would be willing to introduce a National Jim Crow system for gays.
rickroberts
Your skepticism is well placed.
jamesn
Well.. if it us true that the Advocate piece was scheduled before the PGN mess than that may explain why his people didn’t want to talk to PGN in the first place.
Why risk pissing off those people writing a gushing puff piece in a glossy magazine to talk to a brazenly pro-Clinton newspaper (and probably get beat in the head with a brick in the process)?
justin bright
I don’t blame Obama for not talking to the PGN. The publisher is a Hillary supporter. Nor would blame Hillary for not talking to a publication that had a very vocal Obama supporter.
Ultimately its the publishers f-up here. In journalism you can’t have it both ways: be a vocal supporter of one candidate and then expect the others to want to sit down for an interview. I’m glad the publisher is taking a stand for Hillary but then don’t go crying when her major opponent won’t sit down with you for an interview.
Leland Frances
I hope they finally confront him about the lie he told them in the last interview in which he claimed to have been a “chief cosponsor” of and “passed” the Illinois LGBT rights bill.
He had been a cosponsor of other bills that died in committee but was apparently too busy campaigning for US Senate between the submission of SB3186 in January 2004 and his election in November to bother signing his name. And he wasn’t even still in the ILL senate when the bill was voted on January 2005.
AND ask him why his close friend and OTHER “spiritual advisor” the Rev. & Sen. James Meeks voted against the bill, among other aggressive antigay actions. If Obama can’t persuade one of his buds how the hell is he going to change all the homophobes Repug and Dem in Congress who aren’t close to him?
Leland Frances
And spare us the continuing excuses for his not having the guts to answer PGN’s questions. He paid for an ad in Ohio’s “Gay People’s Chronicle” but yet refused — unlike Clinton — to talk to them, too. Also refused to talk to “The Washington Blade” and LOGO TV News. If every politician were allowed to only talk to media that want to kiss his/her ass we’d never get anything but official spin.
So cut the crap! He only agreed to talk to the Advocate in attempt at McClurkingate damage control and now he’s suddenly talking to them again only because he got his small balls caught in the wringer AGAIN!
Richard Smith
OK – am I crazy are people just going on and on and on about the (2) democratic candidates here? Time for a reality check – Clinton and Obama only support Civil Unions and McCain nothing. Those are the choices. I have watched as idiots in this country spend useless energy wining about Obama and/or Clinton as if there is this gulf of difference between them. Might I remind you this is a competition between the Democrats (Clinton or Obama) and Republicans (McCain). Those are the only differences that will matter to the LGBT community.
rickroberts
Richard, I agreed with you until the Rev Wright business came to light. Now it is a different ball game. Barack would be a disaster as President.
emb
Thank you Richard Smith, for a sadly unique note of sanity in these pages. There’s plenty of picking-our-friends-to-death going on (a favorite passtime in the GLBT community, apparently, if the venom spewed over ENDA was any evidence). Keep it up, folks–rip each other and the only nominally pro-gay candidates to shreds for failing to adhere to a special-interest platform of political purity that guarantees electoral defeat, and that’s just what we’ll get: electoral defeat, and John McCain.
emb
Rickroberts, I share your misgivings, but Clinton and Obama both have plenty of warts; let’s be real here: the only true “disaster” President on the plate is McCain.
hells kitchen guy
Richard, I might support the whoever becomes the Democratic nominee, but that doesn’t mean I have to live on the plantation.
michael
Well said Hells Kitchen.
Richard Smith
Ok y’all – let’s get real about Rev Wright. He actually preached in favor of LGBT as opposed to any of McCain’s pastors. And you say noting about McCain’s spiritual advisors. If Wright made you that mad, well then Hagee ought to have given you a heart attack. Are we just trying to lose the White House again? I will repeat, whoever can beat McCain is all that matters. If the minor differences between Clinton and Obama matter more than the major differences between Clinton or Obama and McCain….YOU DESERVE TO LOSE IN NOVEMBER!
Afroguapo
Richard Smith
For whatever reason, they don’t get bent out of shape about the other ministers of other candidates, just one’s connected to Obama. It engenders the most ire and is borderline obsessive.
Check this out R.S. http://blackaids.org/ShowArticle.aspx?articletype=SITEFEATURE&articleid=519&pagenumber=1
Billin PDX
Afroguard is right. Nobody talks about Hillary’s ties to radical right wing ministers or McCains ten shades of crazy endorsers like Rev Hagee. Hilllary has pandered and pandered and does not support marriage either. WE need to defeat McCain or we will have more right wing judges and a surefire veto for every GLBT favored bill for the next eight years. Grow up people. You are scaring me.
Obama has done nothing to harm gay rights. Clinton signed DOMA. That harmed us for a generation but I would still pull the lever for Hillary because the option is too scary to contemplate.
THE REV WRIGHT Obsession is a tad racist in my mind and I am a suburban raised white guy.
JP
I agree with you also afroguard, and billin PDX!
Alec
Okay, c’mon…Senator Clinton did not vote for DOMA. She was the First Lady at the time. She has been a strong advocate for gay rights, she marched in gay pride, etc. That hasn’t prevented me from supporting Senator Obama, but I don’t want her maligned in this election (but I encourage criticism of her husband, who has no defense).
On the other hand, accusations that Rev. Wright is homophobic must be rejected, denounced and condemned. He has been a vocal supporter of gay rights. The media attack on Rev. Wright is perverse and the concerns expressed in the gay community are worse than misplaced, they are borderline racist. Yes, he is black, yes, he is a preacher, and yes, he is controversial but anti-gay? You are out of your mind if you believe that.
Is Rev. Wright racist? Maybe to the extent that we all harbor racial animosity, whether or not we are aware of it. But while you purport to condemn a black preacher who is theologically liberal, you implicitly provide safe harbor to the spiritual advisors of the other candidates. Senator Clinton is a member of the United Methodist Church, which prohibits openly gay clergy and has been moving to the right on gay issues for years. Senator McCain’s spiritual advisor condemns homosexuality.
I do not suggest you make your decisions on this basis alone, but at some point one must grow up. There is a gulf on gay issues, one that separates on the one hand the Democratic candidates and the “presumptive” Republican nominee.
Mr C
Hey Afroguapo, Hope all is well.
The bottom line is this. They don’t get bent out of shape over WHITE pastors who have cast all of GOD’S raining destruction on gays. None of them are trying to hear LGBT people, and or issues and you have Rev Wright who does and has.
It’s simply called PREJUDICE/BIASES/RACISTS
Since when any of them really considers themselves Americans.
All you hear is I’m Italian, Spanish, French, Greek, Irish, etc and your ass is born in Bubblefuck general hospital in St Louis.
MY DEAR you are an AMERICAN. So if you going to be upset over GOD DAMN AMERICA then learn to be an AMERICAN (You know Italian AMERICAN, French AMERICAN, African AMERICAN) if you must still use heritage.
Plain and simple.
So when McCain starts to tell them all thanks for your votes. But fuck you faggots I have no time for you because I have war to continue and keep America in despair. They’ll still be subservient to their own and DIE IN SILENCE…AND SERVES THEM RIGHT!
PRIDE+HATE=DEATH
Folks learn to get over color especially in this LGBTQ Community.
DIVIDE AND CONQUER WE FAIL
UNIFICATION IN STRENGTH WE WIN!
WAKE UP
Billin PDX
I wrote that Clinton signed DOMA I did not say which Clinton. As she wants to take credit for that administration she must accept all of its warts not just the progressive stuff. A vote for her does place BIll next to power again. I do not believe that she is homophobic nor deserving of scorn, I just wanted to point out that neither candidate by nature can be perfect or promise all to all. I will support the one who wins. It looks like that will be Obama by every current measure. We need to win this in November no matter which one gets the nod. A lot is at stake here.
Mr C
AMEN Bill, I totally agree!
Billin PDX
THANKS AFROGUAPO & MR C
I believe we can pull it off this NOV This election is going to bring
a lot of ugly out of some people and make a lot of people face their bias and racial fears and that will in the end be healthy for this country but a lot of insensitive inaccurate stuff will be out there. Just continue to rise above it and fight it with truth and wit and intelligence and tenacity. I actually thought Wright told the truth and spoke for a lot of people and he got demonzied for being progressive and the nut jobs like Fallwell, Dobson and others who just preach hate are accepted by many and don’t damage the candidates they associate with. That says a lot.
The outcry has been racist in my view- like I said in an earlier post – I am a white guy raised in suburbia and I see it.
Mr C
Bill, If alot of other people thought like you. We would have so much progress done especially this campaign season. But it looks like we are living on a wing and a prayer. But hopefully all will come to their senses before it’s too late
Michael
Obama supporters have pointed out that information regarding his position on LGBT rights can be obtained from the http://www.barackobama.com under People->LGBT.
Clinton supporters have now pointed out that information regarding her position on LGBT rights can be obtained through this URL: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/lgbt but I can not figure out how that information can be obtained from the Clinton home page. For example, a casual visitor to http://www.hillaryclinton.com might want to review her positions on various issues. How would that person find the LGBT page?
If there is an easy way to get there that I just missed, would someone please reply to this comment with the menu choices to get to Clinton’s LGBT information.
If there is no way to navigate to that page from the home page, that would be disturbing.
tommy
Do y’all really believe that eityher one of them will poush for gay marriage or the seperate but equal civil unions?
MOst preachers/clerics have preached gay being a sin for a long time now you unfortunately get used to it. But Rev Wright has added racism and anit-american sentiment to his sermons.
The Advocate will be a blow job for Obama who onbly did the interview to spin.
Afroguapo
Richard Smith, Billin PDX, this goes to your point. EMB, yes, McCain is scary, check out the piece at The Nation entitled Hothead McCain. At this point, I just want a lesser of two evils since my guy (Kucinich) is out of it.
Rocky Mountain News – Denver
White preachers get a pass from media
By Justin Dick
Friday, March 28, 2008
David Kopel’s March 22 column on media bias bring up the old canard that the media is essentially a covert outlet for the Democratic party’s propaganda. Let’s look at another recent series of stories. This one concerning Obama’s association with a radical religious figure.
Rudy Giuliani’s priest has been accused in grand jury proceedings of molesting several children and covering up the molestation of others. Giuliani would not disavow him on the campaign trail and still works with him.
Mitt Romney was part of a church that did not view black Americans as equals and actively discriminated against them.
He stayed with that church all the way into his early thirties, until they were finally forced to change their policies to come into compliance with civil rights legislation. Romney never disavowed his church back then or now. He said he was proud of the faith of his fathers.
Jerry Falwell said America had 9/11 coming because we tolerated gays, feminists and liberals. It was our fault.
Our chickens had come home to roost, if you will. John McCain proudly received his support and even spoke at his university’s commencement.
Reverend John Hagee has called the Catholic Church the “Great Whore.†He has said that the Anti-Christ will rise out of the European Union (of course, the Anti-Christ will also be Jewish). He has said all Muslims are trained to kill and will be part of the devil’s army when Armageddon comes (which he hopes is soon). John McCain continues to say he is proud of Reverend Hagee’s endorsement.
Reverend Rod Parsley believes America was founded to destroy Islam.
Since this is such an outlandish claim, I have to add for the record, that he is not kidding. Reverend Parsley says Islam is an “anti-Christ religion†brought down from a “demon spirit.†Of course, we are in a war against all Muslims, including presumably Muslim-Americans. Buts since Parsley believes this is a Christian nation and that it should be run as a theocracy, he is not very concerned what Muslim-Americans think. John McCain says Reverend Rod Parsley is his “spiritual guide.â€
What separates all of these outrageous preachers from Barack Obama’s? You guessed it. They’re white and Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not. If it’s not racism that’s causing the disparity in media treatment of these preachers, then what is it?
I’m willing to listen to other possible explanations. And I am inclined to believe that the people these preachers go after are more important than the race of the preacher. It’s one thing to go after gays, liberals and Muslims – that seems to be perfectly acceptable in America – it’s another to accuse white folks of not living up to their ideals.
I think there is another factor at play as well.
The media is deathly afraid of calling out preachers of any stripe for insane propaganda from the pulpits for fear that they will be labeled as anti-Christian. But criticism of Rev. Wright falls into their comfort zone. It’s easy to blame him for being anti-American because he criticizes American foreign and domestic policy.
If Rev. Wright had preached about discriminating against gay Americans or Muslims, there probably would not have been any outcry at all. That falls into the category of “respect their hateful opinions because they cloak themselves in the church.â€
But one thing is indisputable – the enormous disparity in how the media has covered these white preachers as opposed to Rev. Wright. Have you ever even heard of Rod Parsley? As you can see from what I listed above, all of these white preachers have said and done the most outlandish and offensive things you can imagine – and hardly a peep.
If the disparity in coverage isn’t racist, then what is it? I guess it’s just that old liberal media thing again.
Justin Dick is a resident of Evergreen.
thecamilopost.com
On DOMA, if you do your homework on what the candidates actually say they will do as far as our rights instead of just believing the Hillary LInES, you will find that Hillary Clinton only supports repealing HALF of DOMA, Obama supports repealing ALL of it!
The reality is, TALK is ALL the Clintons have EVER given us GAYS….
A neverending act of “WE FEEL YOUR PAIN”s smothered in “WE’LL BE YOUR HEROS… one vague empty promise after another…But the RESULT has always ended being the COMPLETE OPPOSITE…even making things WORSE than before they started.
WHEN THE TIME TO STAND UP TO PLATE CAME UPON THEM,…BILL and HILL have gone M.I.A…. Or do worse with the COMPLETE OPPOSITE by signing into law policies that provided even MORE avenues for DISCRIMINATION, HATE CRIME , and BIGOTRY to take place.
DON’T ASK, DON’T TELL?
Signing THE FIRST “DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT”?
They’ve done the SAME THING to MANY others MANY a time before… BAIT, SWITCH, BACKSTAB!
So, some of you may be saying, “Well, what Bill did really sucks, but that wasn’t Hillary’s fault.” That argument just doesn’t hold water with me. If you are going to say that you have 35 years of experience fighting for change, and you list your duties in the Clinton administration as part of your experience, than every slap in the face delivered from Bill was delivered by every member of the administration. I wouldn’t hold it against her if she was trying to separate herself from the Clinton administration, but this is clearly NOT the case(although that may change with Mark Penn and a new song and dance).
Obama is more consistently supportive of us than Liar Liar Pantsuit on Fire Hillary Clinton. She only talks about us when she is at the Abbey in West Hollywood, on ELLEN, on LOGO, the Philly Gay News or at an HRC event. Obama speaks out for us in TEXAS, in black churches, in national addresses. Look up LGBT and GAY on my blog (found in my profile). I’ve posted many times on this!
Some accounts of Obama’s views on LGBT rights:
In Beaumont, Texas, there is this account, taken from:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Selling_gay_rights.html
An interesting moment came when he was asked a question about LGBT rights and delivered an answer that seemed to suit the questioner, listing the various attributes ” race, gender, etc. ” that shouldn’t trigger discrimination, to successive cheers. When he came to saying that gays and lesbians deserve equality, though, the crowd fell silent.
So he took a different tack:
“Now I”m a Christian, and I praise Jesus every Sunday,” he said, to a sudden wave of noisy applause and cheers.
“I hear people saying things that I don”t think are very Christian with respect to people who are gay and lesbian,” he said, and the crowd seemed to come along with him this time.
———–
from: http://www.observer.com/2008/obama-addresses-homophobia-anti-semitism-and-xenophobia-among-black-americans
On MLK Day at Atlanta’s Ebenezer Baptist Church he said:
“We have scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them,”
He is a champion for us, he leads by his actions, not by pandering to those in the Community, but by stating his beliefs to those who may not agree with his.
His views ARE well known, to those who are paying attention, he doesn’t need to pander to us. He lives his beliefs. Hillary just tells the same old queer audiences the same old things they want to hear. Obama tells queer AND non-queer audiences alike that he is committed to our equality and acceptance.
Considering that, who do you trust more to really come out for the LGBT Community? Someone who has a record of turning Her back on us once she is in power (as her husband did) or someone who even champions our causes to those not accustomed to them?
And we all know how bad McCain and his religous Right wing nuts will be!
Leland Frances
8 reasons you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about thecamilopost.com
1. Obama’s so-called support for “full repeal†of DOMA is a political magic trick. In this hand he would have it repealed, up this sleeve would remain his continued support—no different than Sen. Clinton’s—for allowing states to do whatever the fuck they want. Don’t believe me? Try the quotes below from an ABC News interview with his official Constitutional law advisor, Harvard’s Lawrence Tribe. Tribe was sent out to diss Sen. Clinton but apparently revealed too much about Obama and hasn’t been quoted again since [emphasis mine]:
“Tribe, who taught Obama constitutional law at Harvard and appears in one of his presidential campaign ads, called ABC News at the request of the Obama campaign…. OBAMA BELIEVES STATES SHOULD BE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO RECOGNIZE SAME-SEX MARRIAGES FROM OTHER STATES.
He wants to fully repeal DOMA, however, because he views the statute as ‘ineffectual and redundant’, in the words of Tribe. OBAMA BELIEVES A LONG-RECOGNIZED PUBLIC POLICY EXCEPTION TO THE CONSTITUTION’S FULL FAITH AND CREDIT CLAUSE EXEMPTS A STATE from having to recognize a same-sex marriage from another state which runs counter to its own public policies. ‘Marriage is not something that states have ever been obliged to recognize if it’s been against their own public policy’, said Tribe, who has testified on the subject before Congress. [In terms of states rights] ‘same-sex couples … are neither better nor worse off with DOMA repealed….’â€
SEE: http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=3468949
2. While both should be repealed, neither DADT nor DOMA, which were both introduced and overwhelmingly passed by Congress not Pres. Clinton, did NOT take away any rights gays had before. Refusal of admission or discharge of gays as a class began during WWII. DADT was simply an updating of existing policies and was a reaction to Pres. Clinton TRYING TO OPEN THE MILITARY TO ALL GAYS. Despite well-intentioned political spin, the numbers that have been discharged are NOT higher than under previous policies. DOMA in terms of states rights is discussed above.
3. The multiple-Emmy winning Ellen show is hardly some “gay only†venue. It is watched by millions five days a week, most of whom are NOT gay. Marching through New York City streets as a part of their gay pride parade, as Hillary has both as FIRST LADY and Senator, is hardly a private gay event either. You can’t get more public than that. More people, straight and gay, saw her during those demonstrations of her support in person or on television or in the STRAIGHT newspapers than in ALL of Obama’s speeches in which he simply dropped the gay word and you wet your panties combined.
“MRS. CLINTON happened to be behind a group called the Radical Faeries, which featured a man on skates who wore nothing but a silver cape, a tiara and a jockstrap,†– NY Times, June 2000. By contrast, OBAMA WOULDN’T EVEN BE PHOTOGRAPHED with STRAIGHT SF Mayor Gavin Newsom because the latter is so identified with FULL marriage equality.
E.g., Sen. Clinton appears at about 1:30 in the CBS video at:
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=1749986n
4. What’s your excuse for Obama only proposing $5 billion more to fight AIDS while Sen. Clinton wants at least TWENTY billion more?
5. Obama’s OTHER close spiritual advisor friend is the rabidly antigay Rev. James Meeks who ran for governor on an antigay platform and voted against the ILL LGBT rights bill which passed by only a single vote. Despite all of Obama’s claims about being able to bring people together, Meeks and McClurkin are just as homohating as the day before they met him. The Rev. Jeremiah Wrong has done some gay-positive outreach but his church has refused to affiliate with the LGBT caucus of the United Church of Christ, signaling that—like Obama—they do NOT support full marriage equality [despite the repeated undocumented claims of someone in these pages]. Here’s Meeks in full homobashing sail:
http://mfile.akamai.com/12906/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0327/8289367.200k.asx
6. After being told that her first response to homophobic Gen. Pace wasn’t strong enough, Sen. Clinton apologized and reemphasized her condemnation. Contrast that to Obama being BEGGED not to align himself with “the poster boy for African American ‘ex-gay’ ministries†and refusing. He had denounced Farrakhan but still only “disagrees†with McClurkin.
7. Nowhere in his widely distributed 64-page official manifesto, “Blueprint for Change-Barack Obama’s Plan for America†can you find one syllable about LGBTs, even under “Civil Rights†or “Hate Crimes.†Are WE not Americans, too? Where is the call for repeal of DOMA, for repeal of DADT, for civil unions, gay adoption, hate crimes legislation, ENDA?
8. In his previous Please Pay No Attention To The Fact That I Paid For The Bus Donnie McClurkin Drove Over You Advocate interview Obama LIED THROUGH HIS PEARLY WHITES when he claimed he was “a chief cosponsor of†and “passed†the Illinois LGBT rights bill. Now after arrogantly fucking up AGAIN by refusing to speak to numerous gay media from small to as large as the internationally seen LOGO TV News, he’s returned to Save My Two-Faced Ass Mode and called the Advocate to bail him out again.
I bet you’re already bent over with your cheeks spread.
rickroberts
Leland, wow, dude, you’re awesome! You go! Cover your face because MrC is about to spray you with an ALLCAPS, barely coherent tirade.
Afroguapo
Sounds like Leland went off on his own allcaps tirade. Another poster (maybe EMB or Richard Smith) said correctly that neither Hillary nor Barack is going to be the consummate lgbt savior/ally because it could potentially alienate mainstream voters (hence Kucinich being out of the race) and that Barack & Hillary agree on 90% of things. So both candidates obfuscate to some extent out of sheer politics to garner the most votes. I guess I am bewildered as to why some of you become so incendiary, nasty, borderline racist, openly racist, childlike, hateful and now even homophobic when essentially we want the same things. Calimopost posits an opposing view of why he is a proponent of BHO on LGBT matters substantiated by facts and you respond with other facts on issues to lend credence as to why Hillary is supposedly better and end it with “I bet you’re already bent over with your cheeks spread” because he presented a contrary view?! Okay, so implying that “bottoms” should be relegated to inferior status or are put in their place by virtue of the activity in which they engage and that his support of Obama somehow makes him servile or a punk, isn’t that what primitive straight men do? This is already added to your other scatalogical “humor” of someone doing blackface because they admired BHO so much that it was tantamount to having his face covered in excrement for having his head far up BHO’s ass. I mean really. Perhaps MrC is right, McCain deserves to win if people presumably within the same community behave in this manner and don’t see the bigger picture. It defies logic as to why people can’t be civil and rational and resort to this nonsense. It’s almost pathological and some of you need therapy because your ugliness is really coming to the surface.
Billin PDX
I am proud that the posters who share my views have the most restraint, wit and common sense. We are facing a tanked economy, an insane, intractable war, global warming, a devalued dollar and on and on and we want to focus on who is better on gay marriage. I just want to wake up and still have a country, McCain will hand us over to the oligarchy just like Bush. McCain has promised to continue the war for just about ever and to keep the rich tax cuts that have impoverished our treasury. If you want any shot at a future that includes gay people or economic and environmental progress you better vote for the Dem whoever it is. That is the truth. Obama has closed in on HIllary in PA is way ahead in Oregon and NC and I don’t see how she will wrest the nomination at this point. Please just support the political party that will do the least harm. Kerry lost in 2004 because of the antigay marriage bills on the ballot in several states–it brought out the fundies in droves and he was against gay marriage too. Being for gay marriage is suicide politically– just ask Kucinich. Let us keep reality in check here. Thanks.
David
Thanks Leland for the info its well needed weather its heeded or not its at our own risk!
Afroguapo
+2 Billin PDX “We are facing a tanked economy, an insane, intractable war, global warming, a devalued dollar and on and on and we want to focus on who is better on gay marriage.”
It’s downright bizarre that some of these anger fueled guys are all obsessed with “marriage” as the primary crucial campaign issue when given how they behave and conduct themselves on this site, it’s really difficult to imagine that they are men or potential suitors clamoring to marry, or even date, them.
Obama 08
Hopefully most people are wise enough to see through the charade. People who are advocating for Crazy McCain over Obama have other motives than gay rights and equality. They are either racists or moles for the Repuklican party. It really is that simple.