
We’re known primarily as one of the last true gay villages in the country. But slowly that aspect of our identity is beginning to fade away. Just as in the Castro neighborhood of San Francisco and Greenwich Village in New York, the crisis of rising rents has begun to eat away at the uniquely diverse community that makes us special, that makes us great.

Some say this change is inevitable, that it’s a natural progression in a free market for an upscale city that’s becoming more and more attractive to live in. I understand that argument and agree that gentrification, as long as it’s healthy and balanced, is not necessarily a bad thing. But this has the potential to truly change our city in a negative way, to cause the essence of who we are to eventually disappear.

That is not an acceptable option. We must preserve our unique identity for future generations, or risk losing the heritage and solidarity that we have built over the last 45 years. West Hollywood has always been at the forefront of the gay movement, and if we begin to lose our sense of self, that’s not just a local problem, that’s a disaster for our entire community’s future.
There are steps we can take to solve this problem. We can create more micro units, units that people can actually afford, as they have done in New York and San Francisco. We can repeal the California Ellis Act which unfairly evicts tenants from their homes. We can pass small business rent control, something that has never been done in the U.S. but that has been done in Spain and other countries, and that I think would work quite well in West Hollywood. We can pass something like Measure R which recently passed by 2-to-1 in Malibu, which established voter referendums on major developments and keeps 70 percent of new commercial development space for small businesses. These are just a few ideas among many. One thing is for sure: this change is not inevitable.
In the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court’s likely decision in favor of nationwide marriage equality in June, people will be asking what the next frontier for our cause will be. I believe that new frontier will be the issue of rent, the issue of our gay housing crisis. This issue goes beyond legal rights or politics; it strikes at the heart of our culture, our identity, our soul. We must recognize and take action on this issue before it’s too late.
James Duke Mason is a candidate for city council in West Hollywood. He is an activist and the son of Go-Go’s lead singer Belinda Carlisle and producer Morgan Mason, and the grandson of the late British actor James Mason.
jag4313
Same thing happened to Houston a while back. Many of us gay Houstonians miss the coffee shops and book stores we could socialize at till 2 in the morning.
rand503
Or maybe we could move to the less expensive parts of town, or less expensive cities,and recreate another gayborhood. It isnt like the soil underneath .Weho is sacred or something.
vive
“We can create more micro units, units that people can actually afford, as they have done in New York and San Francisco.”
Really? Where are these mythical affordable units in New York and San Francisco?
vive
@rand503, the problem with your proposal is that the less expensive suburbs and less expensive cities you mention generally don’t have the density, industries, or cultural infrastructure to support a viable and dynamic bohemia. You need a critical mass for that, which happens only in the kind of dense highly populated walkable neighborhoods in cities with dynamic artistic communities. Most of the existing ones have been gentrified, and no new ones are being built.
tdx3fan
Or, as the rest of the country becomes much more accepting than the rest of your gay neighbors it might make more sense to simply move out of gayborhoods. Seriously, I find most people to be more accepting than the social movement gays that shun you if you do not live a lifestyle they insist is the only correct gay lifestyle.
1EqualityUSA
These neighborhoods mentioned above used to be dicey areas. It will happen again, without special stuff from the city council. That’s the beauty about gays having the propensity to use both sides of the brain. Creative people find each other. Where the creative lot resides is where the fun, fresh ideas, and transformation of seedy neighborhoods (into something unique) happens. It’s a process that shouldn’t be disturbed, much as having these special considerations for the declining areas would benefit the politicians that are running them. Let it go the way it’s supposed to, without regard to those who benefit to gain from such policies. New gayborhoods will sprout up and the houses there will go up in value as well.
Sweet Boy
Gaybourhoods are overrated and victims of their own success…I need no gay ghetto to live, nor their expensive shops and restaurants with crappy and arrogant employees
level75RDM
Minorities becoming dispossesed via gentrification? Oh no! This has never, EVER happened before!
Desert Boy
I haven’t lived in San Francisco in a decade preferring a roomier, and less expensive suburb of Los Angeles.
The funny thing is, I don’t miss “the City” one bit. We have much better weather in Southern California, more retail, and restaurants a person could want. Cultural amenities are more and diverse here too. Plus, the parking is free everywhere in the Southland.
1EqualityUSA
tdx3fan has a point about our kind being accepted by their kind. I’ve seen cool spots sprout up, just because it happens. That’s the best kind of community. It’s invigorating. I had an older friend who lived on Sanchez and 18th. When, “the gays,” moved into the neighborhood, she was worried it would make her house lose value. Then she saw how these new neighbors started improving the houses, beautifying the yards, and livening up the place. Her house skyrocketed in value. More importantly, she made many dear friends who watched out for her.
vive
@Sweet Boy: “Gaybourhoods are overrated and victims of their own success…I need no gay ghetto to live, nor their expensive shops and restaurants with crappy and arrogant employees.”
What you are describing are what replaced gayborhoods, not the gayborhoods that existed. Those expensive restaurants and arrogant employees are the result of the destruction of the original bohemian gay neighborhoods by gentrification. So what you are really saying is that you don’t like the gentrification that is destroying the originally friendly and cheap gay neighborhoods.
vive
@1EqualityUSA: “These neighborhoods mentioned above used to be dicey areas. It will happen again, without special stuff from the city council… Creative people find each other.”
The problem is that a lot of cities are running out of cheap high density housing where creative people can find each other. San Francisco has run out of it altogether, and its artistic, young gay, and bohemian scenes that used to attract people are mostly gone, with no cheap areas left where it can be recreated. Same is true for Boston.
Creative people are never going to find each other in the suburbs to the extent they could in walkable cities. Even where they do, it is a much bleaker and less stimulating environment.
Stache99
@vive: Yeah, really. SF was a lost cause a long time ago. Unless you have a sugar daddy or you’re making buku money you’ll only be able to afford a cardboard box there.
Cam
Part of the issue is that LGBT’s are more accepted now, so before, if a gay neighborhood happened to Gentrify, people would just move to another crappy part of town, and then it would become nice.
Now that gays have protections in real estate, marriage (In Ca.) and others, there isn’t as much reason for another gayborhood to form. Just like the former Irish, Jewish, Polish, Greek, Chinese and other neighbohoods, gays are moving out into the rest of the city.
As for his comment “We can repeal the California Ellis Act which unfairly evicts tenants from their homes.”
How is “West Hollywood” going to repeal a state law? They can’t. What they CAN do is adjust it, so that any landlord that evicts tenants by the terms of the Ellis law, has to pay compensation, or is restricted from using the property as a rental for a period of time, or both. Saying that you could revoke a state law when youre running for City Council seems a bit naive.
1EqualityUSA
Vive, If it is not a stimulating environment, that’s because of the people that live there. These communities happen and then the transformation follows. It may not be S.F. or NYC, but it may be in another Coastal community that has retirees dropping out of the world in droves. When the arrogant move in, the creative move out. Only those, unwilling to let go of the glory days, stay behind and sit in a bar referred to by newbies as, ” The glass Coffin.” Change happens. It’s a natural process.
vive
@1EqualityUSA: “Vive, If it is not a stimulating environment, that’s because of the people that live there.”
Partly, but it is also because of the type of housing. Once all the dense walkable urban places are off-limits, you really CANNOT recreate nearly the same kind of stimulating environment in the car-oriented strip mall suburbia that are left.
vive
@Cam: “Now that gays have protections in real estate, marriage (In Ca.) and others, there isn’t as much reason for another gayborhood to form.”
That’s a nice but false fiction that was probably invented by developers. You are disregarding that most gay people and businesses don’t leave by choice. Tons and tons of LGBT are forced out against their will. Evictions are the order of the day as property speculation has gone haywire. I an many of my friends would LOVE to live in gay neighborhoods but they are either gone extinct or unaffordable. Young LGBT guys and girls would still flock to gay neighborhoods in droves if these places were affordable.
Besides speculation and increased inequality, these neighborhoods have become so expensive in part because people WANT to live there, not because people (including LGBT) want to leave them. Saying that they do is just an excuse for the status quo.
lauraspencer
As a New Yorker I’m not sure where these affordable apartments are that the story references.
Couple thoughts….
1) Gay, Black, Latino, Irish, Asian…..minority groups have faced this issue since the beginning of time. Neighborhoods evolve. In my time in NYC I have seen teh gay epicenter move from the West Village to Chelsea to the new mecca of Hell’s Kitchen. I’m sure there will be a new area 10 years from now.
2)Does technology play a part in our dwindling neighborhoods? With so many guys relying on apps and not going out as much to restaurants, bars…..and old school bookshops disapprearing because of the internet and kindle….
vive
@Cam, also, remember that these neighborhoods are forcing out not only gay people but all minorities and social classes except for very wealthy overwhelmingly white people. I guess now that we don’t have [email protected] any more, black and brown people don’t feel a need to live in nice city neighborhoods any longer either?
1EqualityUSA
I see Hunter’s Point being the next big hit, now that the football stadium is being demolished. It may not have the same Bernal Heights kind of feel, but I have no doubt of its potential. Artists and their close friends may be not wealthy, but they’re creative and progressive. The results are bound to be the same, eventually. I don’t know how the ball gets rolling, it just does. The ones who spot it and make it their own, before everyone does, win. Even Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood could rock, given the right infusion of energy and ideas. I’m not saying the Castro is some fossilized archeological dig site, but young ones find their way and each other and make their places come alive. Historic preservation is for the nostalgic, which is ok too, but don’t expect the City Council to foot the bill for your museum, James Duke Mason, son of Belinda and grandson of the ever handsome British actor, James Mason. It’s a nice thought, but who’s bending your ear? What do they gain? One may even call this…arrogant.
MacAdvisor
I am a strong, progressive liberal, but I oppose the idea we should “preserve” these neighborhoods. I lived in the Castro int he 80s (on 18th Street, next door to the Jaguar Bookstore) and loved every minute. I miss that neighborhood immensely and those times. However, if all we do is preserve, we won’t get the good things that can happen next. What is the Irish Catholics of the Castro had “preserved” their neighborhood of the 1960s? Gay Castro never would have happened. Yes, we all want to hold on to something we love, but as another article posted today put it, “Saying ‘Goodbye’ Can Be The Greatest Act Of Love.” Neighborhoods only work because they are living, vibrant entities. You can’t freeze the neighborhood in time and also keep it alive. The small town mainstream so many of us remember fondly now only really exists at Disneyland. If you want to preserve an old building, you need to find new ways to use it, to keep it alive. If you want to preserve a neighborhood, keep it alive and thriving by letting it grow into something else. Embrace the change. Keeping around old business that can’t pay current rents mean new business that might provide better services more in keeping with the times never open. While I support rent control for residential housing, I also favor vacancy decontrol. Keeping prices artificially low doesn’t mean keeping things the same, it just means landlords will be even more careful in their selection of tenants and not invest in updating a building.
If you truly love a community, help keep it alive by keeping it growing and changing.
sfhally
hate to break your bubble but those micro-units you’re referencing here n San Francisco have been fought tooth and nail by –wait for it–“Housing Activists” here for the precise reason that they’re small and “what about families?” Add in height limits(three stories? Next to a six or seven story building already there?); a process that lets anyone who objects to a project wait until AFTER it’s been approved and ground is broken to delay it; Transportation activists who can block a project because it offers OFF-STREET PARKING!! That last one happened across the street from me–the “neighborhood association” blocked a remodel that would have put over 300 units of housing out because it had off-street parking and if “people have access to parking they’ll have cars and the neighborhood will have all this traffic”. And it wasn’t even their neighborhood–it was a power grab to expand their reach. Bunch of bicycle-riding, over-done priviledged yuppies.
Cam
@vive: said… “That’s a nice but false fiction that was probably invented by developers. You are disregarding that most gay people and businesses don’t leave by choice. Tons and tons of LGBT are forced out against their will.”
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You need to actually read an entire post. My point wasn’t that gays are leaving voluntarily because they could, my point was that, as has happened before, a neighborhood is getting better and more expensive. HOWEVER, in the past, gays would move to another crappy area, and form another new gayborhood that was more affordable.
NOW, when they move out, there isn’t as much of a reason to form a new gayborhood, they are able to move into the city as a whole. That was my comment and the point was, new gayborhoods are not forming, just like new Irish, Polish, Chinese another other single resident neighborhoods are not forming once the people living in them find acceptance in the larger city.
Charlie in Charge
The Ellis Act is patently evil and has lead to a great deal of abuse here in the Bay Area. I would dearly love for gay spaces to remain in place. Maybe it’s karma, as MacAdvisor points out, we did gentrify the Castro in order to create the gay mecca that it became.
I just shudder to think that with the (very welcome) acceptance we are receiving we don’t toss aside everything that was ours. Replacing gay bars with apps and community centers with Starbucks… *goes off to read Armistead Maupin*
AtticusBennett
in every major city, the same thing happens. The Gays come in , revamp a neighbourhood, make it thrive, make is safe, make it desirable, and in come the yuppies and condo-builders to take advantage of it. rents go up, businesses change, and the gaybourhood moves to another area. where the same thing happens all over again.
it’s happened in Soho, London. and East End London. and Toronto. And San Fran. And in NYC and Brooklyn’s many Gayborhoods. a few decades of gays makes room for yuppies with strollers.
redcarpet30
It’s happening in Seattle right now. The gays are draining from Capitol Hill and heading south. And Micro Housing hasn’t helped one bit. In some cases it winds up being THE SAME OR MORE per month than a studio or small 1 bedroom.
musctop
…OR–it could be that gays are growing up, partnering and buying houses in communities where they don’t need the constant bonk bonk bonk of the bar down the block.
Wendellx
Its refreshing to hear someone actually trying to address the problems of affordable rent in West Hollywood. I moved here from Venice after I lost my home there and could no longer afford the rents. I am able to stay in West Hollywood because I have a rent controlled apartment. Its discouraging to read all the cynical posts that say I should give up, accept the inevitable and leave for Pasadena or the high desert.
If I had followed that advice I would have been forced out of West Hollywood years ago. I want my community to continue to have young UCLA students, people of color, artists and writers. We have successfully avoided becoming Beverly Hills for many years, it is no time to give up now. Thanks for your innovative thinking.
JayGay1
I use to live in Chelsea NY. Gays pushed out. Gays being pushed out in all neighborhoods in NYC.
Everyone should move to Detroit and revive that city. That could be a great gay ghetto except it’s in Detroit.
charlie_jackpot
@AtticusBennett: damn The Gays, although Soho is being ripped apart by Crossrail too
BearInStPete
The other reality beyond being pushed out by high rent, is that many Millennials don’t have the same need to belong to a “gayborhood” so they are choosing multiple housing options in a given city and networking through various forms of social networking. Millennials don’t feel the need to be labeled/branded like many of us Boomers do.
polarisfashion
I wish I could afford to live in my city’s gayborhood but its to expensive. The new apartments they just built are like $1500 per month for a one bedroom. I thought $890 was a lot for what I pay now, but I have 2 beds, 2 baths, a balcony, and a fireplace. I refuse to pay more for less.
vive
@Cam: “…new gayborhoods are not forming, just like new Irish, Polish, Chinese another other single resident neighborhoods are not forming once the people living in them find acceptance in the larger city.”
I get what you are trying to say, but gay people are not like immigrants. Immigrants stop identifying as immigrants by the second generation or so. Gay people don’t stop identifying as gay. Many young gay people especially would till like to live in gay neighborhoods but have nowhere to go to have that experience anymore.
I don’t think gay neighborhoods were for acceptance in any case. They were for community.
vive
@musctop: “…it could be that gays are growing up, partnering and buying houses in communities where they don’t need the constant bonk bonk bonk of the bar down the block.”
You are talking about (some of) the older gays and are forgetting about the younger generation who don’t have the option to live in those dynamic neighborhoods any more.
In any case, if those neighborhoods are as bad as you say, why are all the yuppies, dot-commers, and investment bankers buying properties there?
Hillers
It’s not like this is a new phenomenon in these highly desirable areas to live. Although I will say in the early 2000s when I was but a gayby, my then-boyfriend and I were able to afford a nice two-bedroom apartment in the Castro, and it wasn’t like we were raking it in. As did another friend of mine who had roommates and lived just a hop, skip, and a jump away from the Gay Safeway.
Let’s also remember that just because you don’t live there, doesn’t mean it won’t still be there, and that you can’t go still go there.
sfsilver
I’m concerned that biggest price we will pay for the disappearance of these hoods, no matter what the cause, is that we will lose what political clout we have. When the LGBT population is dispersed and there is not an LGBT voting block in a particular neighborhood or district we may see fewer and fewer LGBT representatives in city governments and fewer LGBT people getting the experience needed for higher office. We may think we’ve achieved much of what we wanted in cities like SF and LA but we need to vigilant, especially because the economic aspects of these trends are bringing people to cities who may not be there for the progressive ideals that attracted the last 2-3 generations of urban immigrants. We could see more and more conservative city supervisors and city councils willing to jettison our hard fought protections because they are no longer valued by a new class of resident more concerned with raising children or protecting their money.
DaddyBob
Understanding the real issue at hand is Education of the masses. As a gay community we are far more well off than our counter part Heterosexuals. We make more money and don’t have children to spend it on. Education is the true factor of making a living. The average income am seeing with out an education is $10.00-$15.00 an hour, and that is why liberals are complaining. America is not a labor force any more. Technology $80,000 a year income , Science $125,000 a year income and engineering $250,000 a year income , Design software $1,000,000 and the film industry plays a large part as well if you make it in the millions otherwise fulltime waiter part time actor
frshmn
Not sure how proposing referendums on new developments will slow gentrification. If anything it will just raise prices and demand for existing units. Urban neighborhoods are just more chic nowadays, the San Francisco of the 60s, and 70s, where bohemians could easily move and afford housing is long gone.
vive
@Charlie in Charge, @MacAdvisor: “Maybe it’s karma, as MacAdvisor points out, we did gentrify the Castro in order to create the gay mecca that it became.”
I disagree. Blaming gay tenants for attracting property speculators is like blaming teenage girls for attracting creeps.
Geeker
So the glittering flagship city of the fabulous and wealthy A-gays has begun to price itself out of existence,somehow seems fitting.
vive
@BearInStPete: “…many Millennials don’t have the same need to belong to a “gayborhood” so they are choosing multiple housing options in a given city and networking through various forms of social networking.”
I don’t think you or I should speak for Millennials, but I see also Millennials being forced out of these neighborhoods by property speculators. Many more Millennials want to live in these neighborhoods but cannot afford it.
vive
@DaddyBob: “As a gay community we are far more well off than our counter part Heterosexuals.”
That is a common misconception. Some recent studies showed LGBT people are on average poorer than heterosexuals. If we were so much richer than heterosexuals, why can’t we afford to live in these neighborhoods any more?
vive
It is ironic though that they illustrate an article about loss of diversity with a photo of a preppy blond white guy.
Mike
Same thing happened in Capitol Hill, Denver. I remember walking around what used to be the gay supermarket thinking “where did all these straight people come from? I’ve never seen so many strollers and pony-tails in my life”
queertyrone
@vive
considering the photo they used to “illustrate” is of the article’s author, not entirely ironic.
GayStPete
We may have perfected neighborhood revitalization, but things change, people move…which is why you should check out St Petersburg Florida, http://www.gaystpete.com and the very gay friendly Grand Central District.
corey
South End Boston has become millionair yuppie with kids haven….all white of course. i was looking at lgbt retirement areas, now that im in the second half of my life, these things are a concern for me….there are a bunch, so i think there may be more and more of these poppimg up all over 🙂
level75RDM
@vive: That’s because us gay people love to sell this image of ourselves that we’re technologically savvy, fashion forward, well-to-do, and have nothing better to worry about than clubbing and gym membership. Employment discrimination? Homelessness? Healthcare affordability? Not gay problems (except, y’know, they are).
tradskinhead808
@Sweet Boy: then what the hell are you doing in here?! All disfunctions aside, Queerty (and any other gay blog/site) is in essence, a cyber “gayborhood” of sorts. There are crappy and arrogant people that congregate here too, and judging by just your comment alone, you seem to fit those adjectives perfectly.
ursacelticus
@tdx3fan: Amen to that. Hubby and I left the gay ghetto more than 10 years ago and our lives are so.much.richer in the real world. So what if we’re the only gay couple at a neighborhood party? The reality is that the gays make up a tiny percentage of the population. That’s reality. Gayborhoods are theme parks, flash over substance.
By the way, try re-reading this article substituting “African Americans,” or “Jews,” or “women,” for “gay.” Do the proposals still make sense? I thought not.
richard s
The old gay ghettos were safe havens for us. They served the purpose of giving us a community since we werent usually welcome elsewhere. Yes, the old neighborhoods got trendy and too pricey but we also have to look at where we stand in society. We are integrating into other communities because we have fought long and hard for equality. Our gay brothers and sisters are marrying and starting families. We are living different lives and the old ghettos arent as necessary as they once were. Greenwich Village was where I spent my younger gay years and it was fabulous but I’m about to marry and we’ve moved on. Its hard to let go but we’ve fought so hard for where we are now and its such a good thing.
SteveDenver
It’s not just rising rents, but increased mobility of gays and lesbians: young homosexuals go just about anywhere they want these days.
Once upon a time if a bar opened and announced it was a gay bar, gays streamed in for a safe haven, G/L community events, after-sports meetings, etc. Not so much anymore, and there’s a growing group of people who don’t enjoy gay bars because of perceived “ghetto mentality.”
Professor Fate
The author is living in Fantasy Land. This change is inevitable as the tide. You could turn weho into a museum, I guess, but the real world will move forward with or without it.
stanhope
Add Boystown Chicago, midtown Atlanta and Provincetown to the list
stanhope
@JayGay1: But doll you have Canadians a hop skip and a jump away
Ogre Magi
I hope something can be done
vive
@richard s, “Greenwich Village was where I spent my younger gay years and it was fabulous but I’m about to marry and we’ve moved on. Its hard to let go but we’ve fought so hard for where we are now and its such a good thing.”
Just because you are getting married and moved on doesn’t mean there is no need for such places any more.
Not everyone likes the suburbs. Why should living in a walkable city neighborhood be a privilege for the rich only? Does it ever occur to you that many people PREFER living in city neighborhoods?
Gay neighborhoods are fabulous (as you say yourself) for younger people, unattached people, and for that matter for older or married people of all ages who like living in dynamic city neighborhoods. Why do so many of the married gay people who benefited from city communities suddenly want to pull up the ladder behind them now that they are leaving?
richard s
Vive, I never said we were moving to the burbs. Check yourself. I would “PREFER” to live in the city but for career reasons along with our marriage, we’ve moved to Los Angeles if that makes a difference. You can stop with the accusatory attitude. Greenwich Village was lost to the gay community long ago. Face it, there are sociological trends and that includes neighborhoods that shift and change with each new generation. Peoples lives change so it would be nice if you could be less judgey. You can whine all you want but change happens. Just wondering, what is this “need for such places” anyway?
vive
@stanhope, true, but the same thing has been happening in Toronto.
demented
Honey, it ain’t going to stop going away because you write an impassioned letter about why you think it shouldn’t. People are not going to stop moving on, capitalism is not going to stop making things more expensive, and young people are not going to see the previous generation’s norms as… well, norms.
The simple fact is, change happens. If a place is actually needed for this kind of environment, then it will appear somewhere else. If it only exists because people have to TRY to make it exist, it’s not really a community so much as a club that people don’t bother to go to anymore.
Honestly, the need for “gay meccas” feels more like nostalgic clinginess than a true need. It feels like it was a safe place back when it was needed, and that was good, but greater acceptance means that it’s just not as important now. in short, don’t be upset because you aren’t ghettoized anymore!
richard s
@demented: well said babe
Rob91316
It’s fine with me if WeHo is becoming too expensive for ANYONE (not just gays) to live there. Maybe it will get more of the gay community to move out here to the San Fernando Valley, where the cost of living is actually affordable but woefully devoid of any gay culture or activity beyond the handful of bars in the east valley.
MacAdvisor
@Charlie in Charge: I don’t think the Ellis Act is an evil. It is a very reasonable law. It allows landlords to go out of the business of renting property. I don’t think we can reasonably demand people stay in a business when they don’t want. A dentist, a lawyer, a shop can all decide to go out of business with far less fuss than the Ellis Act requires.
Yes, the change the Ellis Act creates works a hardship on many people. I think moving is one of the great awful things in life, and losing one’s home is terrible, whether by fire or eviction, but I can’t think of an alternative that would be any better.
We make choices in life. If you want to own a big huge mansion, then do the things it take to make that much money. Most people don’t want to (I certainly don’t) the things becoming really rich entails. Some people are lucky and born with money, but most wealthy people made their own fortunes. You want to live in San Francisco and not worry about your landlord? Buy a place. Can’t afford to buy? Either take on the landlord risk or live elsewhere.
One of the things a capitalist economy does is distribute capital to those who make the most efficient use of it. If we, as a society, don’t want such economically stratified communities, then lets make our economy less economically stratified.
MacAdvisor
BTW, am I the only one who really sees the late, great James Mason in his grandson? Wow, not only is Mason very good looking, but he’s got his grandfather’s face the camera loves.
rcblue73
I don’t live in a major gay area but my rent has shot up in the past couple of years so I’m paying through the nose for a tiny, substandard apartment. I hear that it’s pretty much like that all over the country. I know a Daddy Warbucks type whose stable of cars includes a Lexus, has a trophy wife and the rest of the assemblage. He told me that since the country’s industrial base has been moved overseas the only way for guys like him to build wealth is by making it off of the necessities like housing and health care. He claimed that he and his buddies are the ones regulating housing prices, not the market and they could bleed every cent out of it if they wanted to.
As far as just packing up and moving off to the boonies, that would be impractical for me. I lived out in the boonies years ago, because a company I worked at was even further out in the wilderness but rents were not that much cheaper. You also couldn’t walk anywhere, no sidewalks and there was nothing close by. Absolutely no sense of community and the only physical contact I had with anyone gay was making the long trip to the bars in town on the weekends. My time in the great heterosexual wilderness and you could easily classify a good number of people out there as tea party crazies – great place if you want to be socially isolated. If you want to find a job out in the far suburbs, good luck since businesses are few and far between. Recently, I talked to some people about some companies I knew that used to be out there but was told most of them were gone, out of business or out of the country. Of the gay people I know out there, they are either retired or running a small business. Notably, one guy told me the money he saves on rent he spends on gas for commuting and shopping. I know some lesbians out there, but they are doing redneck male drag, they collect guns, listen to conservative talk radio and their best friends are fundamentalist Christian women and they don’t identify at all with the gay community.
My local neighborhood has become much more straight with the longtime gay residents being pushed out. Before you say, yea heterosexuality, assimilation and gentrification, let me add that the straight kids are having a hard time of it. Many of them have good educations, but the only jobs available to them are low wage service, restaurant and barista jobs. They can barely pay their rents and have nearly nothing left over. There are some kids who have some fairly well paying internet related jobs but I know companies feverishly work at finding ways to outsource high paying tech jobs, and when those kids lose those jobs, it’s quite the disaster as switching to working at a coffee house doesn’t make up for the loss in wages. I frequently see lots of belongings put out at dumpsters when people loose their apartments which is just not a good sign. I know people have to dish out the rents demanded but with the low wage jobs, I fail to see what’s driving the economy. I believe the whole thing does not bode well for the long term let alone for the gay neighborhoods which will probably be destroyed.
For those who say keep moving until you find a place to afford to live (BTW – have you considered how expensive it is to move locally, let alone cross country?) – you would probably agree with Daddy Warbucks. He made the remark that he and his buddies hold all the cards and if somebody doesn’t like the hand they’ve been dealt, they can find another country to move to. So maybe all the gay folk can be shipped off to places like Albania, Uganda or Tonga.
rcblue73
@level75RDM: Agreed.
1EqualityUSA
Art need not have money to be expressed. Lightnin’ Hopkins was so poor that he played guitar using a cigar box and strings and a few licks given to him by Blind Lemon Jefferson. Art is like a plant, working its way through cracks in the cement. Painters paint, writers write, and art carries on through adversity. People find each other. Simplify your lives and enjoy what’s been given to you. There will always be one with more this, more that, but it doesn’t have to impede our small slice of heaven, our place in the sun. No neighborhood will give you happiness. Be happy and appreciate that the opportunity is always there. We’re not oppressed. We’re free. Find something that fires the passions inside and go. Things fall into place as they should. I don’t believe in accidents. Navigate the choppy waters and circumvent chaos. Stay focused and produce. Pull somebody up with you as you start to succeed. Most of all, enjoy the process. It’s not so grim. We are free.
Jack25
It’s so frustrating reading all the comments from these (re)tired old married queens on here about how we don’t need gayborhoods or that people need to just get over the climbing prices and move somewhere else. As if the rising rent crisis could easily be solved by uprooting your life and moving to Detroit and hoping that in 10 or so years a thriving gayborhood will develop.
The idea that millennials or young gays don’t want to live in gayborhoods, or in cities near each other is ridiculous. It seems like older gays think that because Lawrence vs. Texas happened before my generation came of age, necessarily we lived in a world where everyone was so accepting that we don’t care about being around other gay people. Growing up in a rural town in Florida in the early 2000s, knowing 1-2 gay people before I turned 18, was pretty isolating. There was a lot of religious animus still and no real role models or people to identify with. I couldn’t really watch Will & Grace with conservative Christian parents running around all the time. Now that I’m in my 20s, I would love to have gay friends, people who went through many of the same things that I did growing up, who might have similar worldviews, and who I can just talk about gay things with, without feeling awkward (dating, sex, Rupaul, etc.). Most young gay guys aren’t married, so it’s easier for us to find opportunities for dating or sexual exploration in places that have higher concentrations of gays. Gayborhoods remain havens for us. Here in New York, the gays that can afford it will live in the gayborhoods. Those who can’t will remain more distant but visit whenever they can. But in more rural areas or suburbs, there isn’t as much access to dating, nightlife, gay sports leagues, gay musical groups, and just other gays in general. It’s wonderful that those of you who are 40s, 50s, and older have had 20+ years to meet and be with other gays and develop friendships and go through all that. But you have to realize that when you came out 5-6 years ago, you still crave that community. You haven’t had the time yet to have those experiences. Growing up all alone with no one to share with, keeping everything bottled up, is difficult and isolating. I guess most guys here can’t remember those feelings.
I just think it’s unfortunate that we’re losing wonderful places that have served our community and helped us to grow and learn and finally experience love. And that so many people can’t understand why that’s a bad thing, because it doesn’t directly affect them right now, right at this moment.
1EqualityUSA
Jack25, What you say above really resonates and it’s regrettable that you feel isolated. I can remember hanging onto the SF Chronicle, reading daily excerpts of Tales of the City, and feeling quite alone. We didn’t have the social media, the Queerty site, the treasure trove of LGBT resources on and off line. I’m glad you landed on the island of Queerty and have a voice. Necessity of the mother of invention. I have no doubt you will manage to find your way into a community that fit well with you. Good luck. Remember to enjoy the adventure. Start researching your area. Start something yourself and draw others in. Truly, good luck to you and thank you for articulating your opinion.
wpewen
People need to think long and hard about why straight people are able to take advantage of gays. This reminds me of the late 80s when straights started moving into Castro because rents were dropping as guys were dying. People were that callous in this country. Basically, in places like San Francisco not just gays but other groups who were on the fringe of society are bought out by zombies who get on busses to go to work at Facebook where they can look at society but not necessarily be in society. Think long and hard about what kind of society you want to participate in. And think about whether you are being allowed to participate, or are you just here to serve the new boring class of wealthy who consider you interesting but expendable. Cause this started a long time ago, once the U.S. citizenry discovered that we are kind of an interesting lot.
jwtraveler
The gentrifiers become the gentrified. Such is the cycle of capitalism. Just ask the artists who settled in SOHO and DUMBO and similar neighborhoods in other major cities.
OCandPS
This is exactly what happened to Laguna Beach 20 years ago. The funky, artists beach colony started to get way too popular and the trendy money moved in and priced everyone else out. Now it’s nothing more than South Newport Beach and you would hard pressed to find much in the way of any “gay” entertainment when it used to be a Mecca.
Clark35
@Sweet Boy: Agreed. LGBT/Gay ghettos are silly, pointless, and a thing of the past that are no longer needed.
@wpewen: A friend of mine that’s gay that lived in the Castro since the late 60s through early 80s left the castro in the early 80s because of how many people were dying of AIDS in the early 80s and it was depressing. He was not into the constant partying, hedonism, and promiscuity of the 60s through early 80s and that’s why he was never infected with HIV.
vive
2rcblue73, @Jack25, thank you, well said!
Cam
@Jack25: said….
“It’s so frustrating reading all the comments from these (re)tired old married queens on here about how we don’t need gayborhoods or that people need to just get over the climbing prices and move somewhere else. As if the rising rent crisis could easily be solved by uprooting your life and moving to Detroit and hoping that in 10 or so years a thriving gayborhood will develop.
The idea that millennials or young gays don’t want to live in gayborhoods, or in cities near each other is ridiculous.
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Oh give it a rest, if you do any research there is literally the exact same commentary for every single neighborhood that has disappeared, whether it’s Greektown, Little Italy, Little Poland etc…
It isn’t that “Millennials” don’t want to live in gayborhoods, it is that they don’t HAVE to. In other words, if they have a job 15 miles away from West Hollywood, they aren’t going to rent an Apt. in West Hollywood many times, because they don’t have to anymore. They can safely rent closer to their work. In the past, they would have gone to a run down neighborhood with other gays and started a new gayborhood, that no longer happens.
It doesn’t matter whether or not you think it’s right or wrong, that is what has happened, and showing your own internalized homophobia by attacking anybody pointing out facts and calling them a “Queen” is quite interesting.
Stache99
@Cam: I’ve made it a point to never live in a gay neighborhood ie the Ghetto. I guess if you want to become a bar hop honey on any given night that ends with a Y you’ll find a way. I’m more pissed off over the rising rents and lowering wages not keeping up.
wpewen
Dumb.
Queertyreader2
Sadly, this article is rings true. But the internet, Grinder, A4A have more to do with the decline of the TRUE “Gay Neighborhood” or “Gay Community”. People who can not longer afford Weho, Castro or Hillcrest move out to the suburbs exactly like straight people and can stay connected online.
vincelosangeles
my own experience with weho becoming to expensive is that I gave up my weho apt for a bf and, when we broke up, I couldn’t afford to stay in weho. A lot of us have moved on the LA side of Weho streets and rent for a one bedroom drops $400-$500 a month. Having the weho address is important for many of us that have fought in weho for gay rights over the past 3 decades. It’s home.
vive
@Cam: “It isn’t that “Millennials” don’t want to live in gayborhoods, it is that they don’t HAVE to.”
Nobody ever HAD to. They just can’t afford to anymore. And it is affecting people of all ages who prefer city living, not specifically younger people.
You are correct that people can sort of get along now with online social apps, but online communities don’t NEARLY provide the same quality and diversity of experience as real life communities did, at least to those of us who value such interaction. You may not value it, and that is fine, but don’t assume everyone is like you.
vive
@Cam, “In the past, they would have gone to a run down neighborhood with other gays and started a new gayborhood, that no longer happens.”
Many still wan to. Not just gays but also artists, activists, and working class people. The problem is that many cities don’t have any “run down neighborhoods” left for us to go to.
wpewen
Yeah live “online!” It is not living, yet the young born after the 80’s have to, because they’ve been forced to. Many are just an empty vessel and will never understand anything except the new gay hero is Tim Cook, making 400K by selling them phones. So they can text. Look at images. App for sex. Ask questions about the past. Glad I did not support any of this, I was lucky enough to be born when people were still asking questions. It’s a little late now.
Random
@ursacelticus: I wonder if you’d have been quite quick to leave the gay ‘ghetto’, as you call it, had you remained single? I’ve noticed that people often use gay spaces for their own ends, but then look down on them when they’ve met the man of their dreams as if, because they no longer have a use for them, then others people shouldn’t too.
vive
@Cam, “…the exact same commentary for every single neighborhood that has disappeared, whether it’s Greektown, Little Italy, Little Poland etc…”
This is different in kind and magnitude from the examples you give where immigrants integrated into the mainstream.
The problem is wider than just “gay neighborhoods” disappearing. These neighborhoods were never “gay” as much as diverse, shared by minorities, artists, students, musicians, and working class people like firefighters, bus drivers, and restaurant workers.
All of these people are being (or have been) replaced by rich upper-class white people. Even most of the middle class cannot afford to live literally anywhere in cities like San Fransisco or most of NYC any more. All but rich White people are relegated to bedroom communities hours’ commutes away from their workplaces.
All of this has been driven by deliberate and unregulated property speculation benefiting a small number of moguls. No way can you convince me this is a natural or healthy way for a city to grow.
cjh714
until people say enough is enough and refuse to pay these ridiculous prices for a place to live, this type of price gouging will continue! I would love to live in weho, but my income will not allow me too. o and btw, im white…lol
David
I remember being a new college grad out in the “real world” at long last in my first apartment just north of Irving Park and Lakeshore drive on the northern edge of Chicago’s “Boystown”.
It was the late 90’s, and for a young man from South Central WI living in a neighbourhood where being gay was the norm was incredibly liberating. I didn’t do the bars, (Okay, I MAY have occasionally done Showtune Mondays at Sidetracks.. but I digress). The point is, living in Boystown was AFFIRMING. It was the first place I ever walked down the street holding another man’s hand. It was were I participated in my first Pride Event, and Yes it was a “Gay bubble”. But that bubble was a safe space for me to gain confidence in who I was.
Yes Gayborhoods can be imperfect, flawed, and in many ways exclusionary and superficial But they are vital. They provide safe space for people to be who they are, or even better, be grow into who they eventually become. The fact that 22 year old today would find it near impossible to afford that same apartment is a denying today’s young LGBT city dwellers that same chance.
Just my 2 cents.
gaypalmsprings
Move to Palm Springs. It’s way gay and still affordable.
vive
@gaypalmsprings, except Palm Springs is basically a retirement community without many jobs for working age people.
vive
@David, exactly.
By the way, for all the assimilationists here who argue that there is no need for gay spaces any more – just try holding your lover’s hand in most of the rest of our cities and see how that goes over.
osullivan60
Its global – same thing happening here in London. The developers now have the traditional gay district Soho in Central London in their sights and want to build new expensive apartments where traditional gay bars and cabaret clubs (such as the recently closed Madame Jo-Jo’s) have been. A nice gay bar with courtyard called The Yard has successfully fought off such a takeover bid, for now, but for how long ….
Meanwhile the native Londoners are being priced out as foreign investors buy up all properties they can.
jar
The most amusing notions that underlie a lot of these “who needs a gayborhood?” comments are (1) that the young have the socio-economic mobility to move and (2) that the country as a whole has become more accepting and embracing of gay people. Our public discourse has so completely wiped out the existence of working class and poor people that their experiences simply do not exist in the eyes of many. Many of us migrated to cities for the kind of acceptance and comfort that gayborhoods historically helped to foster. Young folks today simply don’t have the same mobility. And those who are isolated face a bigger hurdle in migrating because they now can move to a city, but find it harder to find any sense of community (not just for gay folks).
Gentrification is a blight. It’s an attempt by the bourgeoisie, most of whom were raised in suburbs and small towns, to commodify the experience of living in a city. The sense of urban community is lost because these people have no understanding of that. They simply want the conveniences and cache of living in the city, while maintaining their suburban ethos. Who cares about the local store with the wise old owners. I want a gourmet coffee shop! The gayborhood is one force pushing against that trend.
Sadly, as evidenced here, solopsism is the religion of our times.
Clark35
@gaypalmsprings: Yes, and it’s basically one non-stop parTy with lots of guys barebacking, and spreading STDs and infecting each other with other strains of HIV.
Stache99
@Clark35: That’s a douchy thing to say. You’re thinking of the White Party. Palm Springs is a gay retiree mecca.
sesfm
I find it hard to mourn this. Why not work on fixing the fact that West Hollywood is home to some of the most awful people on Earth? Why fight to preserve what are actually the least welcoming places around?
Marvellis1
I had to move from San Francisco ten years ago because I was forced from the rental home I had lived in for 25 years. I just came back from a week in LA and it was very expensive. I loved California, and now live in Asheville, NC. Unfortunately,the same thing is beginning here. The Gay community is being pressured out by developers and new residents. I remember when we fixed up all those decrepit old Victorians in the Castro and Mission. The pressures of the oligarchy buying everything up is hard to fix. Tax the Rich, Feed the Poor, Let the Middle Income Thrive and grow.
coffeeaugur
Like Phoenix from the ashes … We shall rise again