The Benham Brothers are weighing in on the Roy Moore situation. Naturally, this means standing behind the alleged child molester and ripping apart his alleged victims.
In a new op-ed, the twinsies offer their thoughts on the sex scandal from a self-proclaimed “Christian perspective.”
Instead of believing Moore’s alleged victims, the brothers say, people ought to “pray for the truth to be known” and “seek restoration where needed.”
“Condemning and disassociating with a fellow believer based on accusations (some of which have already been upended) is not Christ-like,” they say.
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Also, why are people freaking out so much? the brothers want to know. All of this happened, like, a really long time ago.
“His most recent accusation was from 1991, which has yet to become a legitimate accusation. So we don’t believe there’s a pattern here.”
Not to mention, they add, many of Moore’s accusers have questionable moral backgrounds, as demonstrated by their marital statuses, financial situations, and political beliefs:
The first accuser lacks credibility with her three divorces, three bankruptcies and three charges against pastors for the very thing of which she accused Moore. The second was discovered to be a Democratic Party operative, working for both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. And the yearbook accuser couldn’t produce an authentic signature of Moore’s, despite demands from the Moore camp. The facts surrounding the other accusers are still quite gray.
Oh, and has anyone stopped to wonder how the victims and society at large might be culpable for what Moore may or may not have done?
“It’s glaringly hypocritical for our society to objectify women through pornography and ‘sex sells’ advertising and then condemn men for objectifying women,” they write.
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Ultimately, the twinsies say, this is all a conspiracy against conservatives.
“It’s abundantly clear to us there is an establishment agenda in D.C. against anyone who threatens to upend its control of our country,” they write. “We saw this with Trump, and we’re seeing it again with Roy Moore.”
Instead of taking the bait, the brothers urge their fellow Christians to “analyze our own lives very closely.”
“With everything happening in our culture today, now is a perfect time to renew our commitment to living morally pure,” they say. “Now is the best time to get right with Jesus and live faithfully for Him!”
Prax07
Those two inbreds just need to bang each other and get on with it.
Sammy Schlipshit
Oh, we don’t know that they aren’t, do we?
Perhaps they follow the pattern of all those other bible-thumpin’, homophobic closet cases we see on a regular basis.
Whenever I hear such vehement anger and hate, I just picture them on their backs, legs on my shoulders while I do a little ‘preachin’.
This kinda crap will never end. It’s only getting worse. Under the Drumpf regime, our culture and society are rapidly collapsing.
These two illustrate it well. They still think it’s ‘their’ country. Every one of us heathens, especially the homo variety, are to be deleted in their world.
What? Couldn’t they come out against child molestation? Oh, these two are complicit.
Xzamilloh
I don’t know why y’all gagging about Christianity in its biblical form, she bring it to you every week!!
Stache
Ah the standard blame the rape victims excuse. They do realize that there’s more then two accusers?
ngblog
Their religion is based on a man raping and impregnating a young girl so.. why the fuss?
Knight
NG huh? What are you talking about?
Stache
I think it’s based on the “immaculate conception”. BS of coarse.
ngblog
Haven’t you heard? Roy Moore is the paragon of christian virtue, a hero to the Benhams. So what if cruised shopping malls for young girls? Their god, after all, is a pedophile and rapist.
Knight
NG you’re beyond stupid, and obviously have no idea or clue about Christianity. Neither God nor the Virgin Mary (she’s called that for a reason) ever had sex. Your lame attempt at irony and/or sarcasm simply belies your ignorance and stupidity about a subject of which you know nothing.
Knight
Stache the immaculate conception? You don’t even know what this means, obviously. Also, it’s “of course” as in “logically”…not “coarse” as in your grasp of the English language.
Stache
@Knight. Stop being such a smug ignoramus.
Ngblog is right about rape and pedophilia being a Christian thing. If you don’t understand that then just like your Benham ignorance you’ll never understand what’s at the root of the problem. It’s all over the bible that you supposedly worship.
http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/rape-in-the-bible/
Knight
Stache why do you always resort to being a little bitch when you lose an argument? Very bad qualities, FYI. Let’s summarize here 1. you were corrected in your (bad) English skills by a non-native English speaker. 2. You bring up the “immaculate conception” which has nothing to do with anything in this conversation (which shows your ignorance in the subject matter at hand) 3. You say I ‘worship” a bible, which is as bizarre as it is stupid, as no Christian, Jew or otherwise worships a book. 4. You post an anti-Christian website link that supposedly validates everything you are trying to say…only it doesn’t, since they are all quotes from the Jewish Tanach/Old Testament…not the Christian gospel…so, you might have a point if this were about Judaism…but this is about Christianity. And lastly 5. When faced with your errors, you turn into a little bitch and hurl insults. Well, sorry there, little bitch-boy, but by every definition, YOU are the real “ignoramus” here.
Juanjo
If Mary was a virgin then explain how Jesus had brothers and sisters, some of whom are mentioned by name in the Bible.
Stache
@Knight. Nope. Not even going there. Some of us want to understand why they’d want to defend a bigot and all you want to do if fight and throw out red herrings. You’re as good Christian as you are a troll.
Knight
Stache LOL!!! You are such a hypocrite!!! You call me a “smug ignoramus” then try to take the high road? You are so out of your league. I seriously gave you the benefit of the doubt for the longest time, but nah…just quit now. You’re too ridiculous and petty to be taken seriously.
Juanjo there are two explanations; 1. the Eastern tradition is that St Joseph was a widower and these were his children from that marriage, which by Hebrew law would have been Jesus’ brothers since St Joseph adopted him. 2. the Western tradition holds that the original Aramaic (same with all Semitic languages; Hebrew, Arabic, Amharic etc) have no word for “cousin” but simply use “ben” or “bar” to distinguish a specific bloodline (i.e as coming from someone from a relative) which was translated into the Greek as “adelphios”. There is more evidence to support the second theory, since Jesus entrusted His mother to St John on the cross…when we know St James (i.e. Jesus’ supposed “brother” was still alive, so this would have been contrary to Mosaic law). Anyway, while other so-called “christians” might dispute this theology, they do not dispute Mary was a virgin up to the time of Jesus’ birth. But thanks for the question/respectful conversation.
Stache
@Knight. That’s alright smug bitch. Bring it on.
Knight
Awe..the little bitch is trying to act butch now. No, bitch…time for you to put on your little panties and go play doll-house with your little friends. You’re done here.
Rimminit
Imaculate conception is BS. Mary carried a baby to term and it was born. So the story goes. By definition, that was rape.
Stache
@Knight. Aww.. aren’t you a peach. Btw. I checked your posting history a bit. I see that attacking others for no reason is your thing. Pig to the slop. Pulling the dildo out of your ass is your favorite thing to say too. Not very original but I get it. Trolling is your thing.
Knight
Rimminit you don’t even know what the immaculate conception is, let alone how to explain it. And no, by definition rape is non-consensual sex…not “carrying a baby to term”. You really don’t know what you are talking about here.
dwes09
@knight: The virgin birth, the trinity and the divinity of Jesus have nothing to do with either Christian scriptures or the Tanakh (what Christians refer to as the “old testament”). Original references to her simply refer to her as a young girl/young woman, not a virgin. Wording in both the gospels and the Tanakh translations were skewed in the King James version so as to make the former more in line with the agreed upon dogma and the latter seem more likely to be prophesying the birth of Jesus (instead of being references to Cyrus the Great as well as other unknown individuals, as well as simply poetry).
While it is unlikely that Joseph raped Mary by their contemporary standards, the notion that she was bearing the “Son of God” came much later and had a lot to do with why the religion never spread to the Jews to whom it was originally aimed (to us the notion of a son of God or a “Trinity” is blasphemy: the main reason so called messianic jews are seen as apostate by judiasm).
Stop your silly huffing!
Knight
Dwes not sure what you categorize as “silly huffing”, but for you to say “The virgin birth, the trinity and the divinity of Jesus have nothing to do with either Christian scriptures” is moronic…just stupid. Christian scripture absolutely details the concept of the Virgin birth, the trinity and the divinity of Jesus. Maybe you are confused and meant the “gospels” instead of “Christian scripture”? In which case, you would still be wrong, since the gospels detail the virgin birth as well. You don’t seem to be very knowledgeable about Christianity, despite your strong feelings on the topic. And whatever you say jews do or do not consider “blasphemy” is as irrelevant as it is silly to me, since the jews of today (including yourself) are for the most part descendants of the strain of talmudic judaism that evolved centuries after final destruction of the temple and are unrecognizable from biblical judaism. In other words…who cares what you/they think? Not relevant to this discussion.
Knight
Dwes ah….I get what you are saying now…which is still wrong. You are talking about a mistranslation in the King James version of “virgin” from the Hebrew “alma” in the Old Testament. Yeah..once again, that falls under “who cares”? Just so you know, the New Testament was written in Koine Greek…not Hebrew. And Luke 1:26-35 (i.e. the “Gospel of Luke”) explains in detail how Mary was a virgin…in her own words. So, no…despite what you read, this is not a “later edition”. You are just very confused on this topic.
Paco
The problem with their man made religion is that there is no man made authority to prevent the hypocrisy that most of the followers engage in. They twist their own religion to align with everything they hate and are never held accountable. Evangelical Christianity is truly a religion of lies and hypocrisy.
Knight
De acuerdo. Esos evangelicos son iguales a los testigos y mormones. No les hago caso NUNCA.
Knight
This is a pathetic excuse for an article, and not even a descent attempt at a paraphrase. Nowhere did these two guys (whom I’ve never heard of) say rape is OK or condone it. It sounds like they are saying let’s wait to condemn someone until proven guilty…which is what the US justice system is based upon. But I guess that only applies when the person being accused is a Democrat…right?
Stache
They don’t have to. Attacking the victims morality and then making excuses because of pornography is saying rape is ok.
Stache
Lastly, they’re two nutjobs who got canned off the HGTV channel for spouting off their homophobic garbage and now do anti lgbt grift to make money.
BriannaFox
Sounds like a butthurt christian defending his fellow christians to me.
captainburrito
I agree we should presume innocence unless there is proof. However, their statement implies that only pure people can be raped or matter. If you are not pure and get raped you won’t be believed apparently.
Knight
Captain I didn’t get that from their statement. If that’s what they meant, then that is of course absolutely wrong. BUT…I also know an accusation/allegation is super-easy to make. So, when they are made against different people for the same circumstance, you kind of have to do the math and figure there is something not right going on.
NateOcean
“The first accuser lacks credibility with her three divorces, three bankruptcies…”
Gosh, one more divorce and another bankruptcy, an she could be president!
Sammy Schlipshit
Nate, that is funny and sad at the same time.
re_horst
hi nate. I still think it’s more funny than sad.
Knight
LOL!!!! Good one there ; )
radiooutmike
Yes, she did that all BEFORE her assault at age 16, naturally!
BTW, who are these two guys?
Keebler ILF
Nate, I was thinking the same thing. And you can add adultery, lying, and greed to Trump’s sins..
These guys made me think of Dean Young (Roy Moore’s Chief Political Strategist) who believes the allegations against Moore are bogus, and the real threat to teen school girls are teen transgender students. https://youtu.be/nh0Q_zpEtr4
Mack
As far as Moore is concerned: Once a pedophile, always a pedophile.
dwes09
Pedophilia specifically refers to desire for sex with pre-pubescent children (the reason why actual pedophiles usually show no preference for boys or girls as long as they have no pubes or other secondary sexual characteristics). Moore is (or at best was) a creep and predator, but there is no evidence he is a pedophile.
He is possibly guilty of statutory rape, but not pedophilia as far as is known.
Heywood Jablowme
Deuteronomy 22; 28-29: “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, and he may not put her away all of his days.”
So according to the Bible, Roy Moore could have raped the first 14 year old who he found irresistible. If her father got a little upset, well, Moore could have just given him 50 shekels of silver and made everything okay. But then Moore would have had to STAY with her… even if she got really, really old, like 28 or something!
Knight
You are confusing Judaism with Christianity.
Heywood Jablowme
Yes, I’m confusing them on purpose, the way Christians like Roy Moore and the Benham brothers always dredge up Old Testament citations against homosexuality. (I’m aware that Jesus says specifically, don’t bother with the old law, which is why we Christians of whatever sort can eat bacon and shrimp, but observant Jews still aren’t supposed to.)
My cursory research indicates that rape isn’t even mentioned in the New Testament. This may mean rape was generally accepted as a bad thing by that point. Or maybe the shekel was hit by inflation. 🙂
Stache
Funny how that works. When they want to bash you it’s always the old testiment. When you corner them with facts the few smart ones will pull out the new testiment.
Knight
Well, honestly it is debatable that these guys are actually Christian. So, to your point they might actually believe that whatever is written in the OT is “just fine” with them. Like I said before, I don’t know anything about them and am just going by the article here. But yeah…foolish me, I should have learned never to take any article on Queerty at face-value.
Knight
Stache no…it’s Christianity 101. You didn’t corner anyone with anything. You are the one who is clearly ignorant about the topic at hand. Heywood had a point…you don’t. How about we each stick to commenting on subjects we’re actually familiar with; I won’t comment about what it’s like being a little bitch trapped in a man’s body, and you don’t comment about Christian theology. Deal?
Heywood Jablowme
@Knight: Queerty reports on these twins from time to time (arguably a bit TOO much, lately) because they are extremely vocal homophobes, and thereby got their HGTV show canceled awhile back. Plus, like so many extremely vocal homophobes, they seem sorta/kinda gay themselves so they are easy to mock.
“the twinsies offer their thoughts on the sex scandal from a self-proclaimed ‘Christian perspective.’”
quote: “Now is the best time to get right with Jesus and live faithfully for Him!”
Not much “debatable” about that being Christian, at least in the dictionary sense. They’re calling themselves Christians. And since Protestants don’t care about papal opinions, there’s no authority to declare they are not “actually Christian.” Unless Jesus comes back and clarifies the matter!
Knight
Heywood thanks for the background info…and now I see why I have never heard of them: they are just boring. And as I said to the poster below, living in a “free society” means they get to call themselves anything they want, and there are no legal repercussions anyone can take on the subject (if there were, Mormons would have been fined into bankruptcy for using the term “Christian”, when clearly they are not, by any definition). So, these twinsies can call themselves purple alligators if they wish…it doesn’t make it true. And I am of the mindset that not everyone who claims to be a part of any “christian” denomination (protestant or otherwise) is necessarily a Christian or belongs to a Christian church. My word against theirs I suppose, but I’m certainly not alone in this assessment.
Stache
@Knight. How about just f*ck off and mind your own damn business since I wasn’t talking to you. I’ll comment on whatever I feel like shithead.
Knight
Bitch, since I was the one engaging here and YOU seem to be trolling ME (here and on my post above), maybe you should remove the huge dildo from your gaping hole and point it in the direction away from this discussion and follow it.
Stache
@knight. Btw. Do you ever sleep knighty girl? What time were you posting your babbling? PUT DOWN THE METH!!
dwes09
@knight: Obviously you play that favorite game of feeling you are the ultimate arbiter of who is christian and who is not. Mormons are christian, Catholics are Christian, Anabaptists are Christian, snake handlers are Christian. They believe Jesus was not simply a man, the believe in the three Christian Gods (four if you count the “god of this world, satan), they all believe their own brand of Christianity is the only valid one assuring “salvation”.
They are all Christians. Even “messianic Jews” are Christians.
Get over yourself!
And the other posters are correct, all stripes of Christians have no compunction referring to the Tanakh when they want to condemn others for their actions, but when it comes to themselves, “well Jesus Fulfilled the Law, we are no longer bound by it”, despite his specific words to the contrary.
Knight
Dwes what the jew believes about Christian theology is irrelevant, and in your case wrong. Neither Catholics, nor anabaptists (assuming you mean Quakers and other descendants) etc believe “their own brand of Christianity is the only valid one assuring “salvation””. Mormons do believe this, but the rest do not…so you’re wrong. Regarding who is a Christian and who is not, there actually are arbiters–just like there is an arbiter on who is considered a jew. You may believe that anyone who wakes up in the morning can decide to identify however they want. Assuming someone who has absolutely zero jewish ancestry (say they came from Japan) watches Schindler’s List and says, “despite the fact that I don’t believe in God, think all jewish customs are just plain silly, but I liked the way those concentration camp stripes looked on those prisoners…hey! I want to identify as a jew for now on!” do you think the state of israel would allow this person to make aliyah and recognize him as a jew? In other words, you may think he has that right, but you are pretty much alone in that opinion. And your comment about being bound by the law is also moronic, as it is painfully obvious you have never read the New Testament and are relying on some VERY rudimentary synopsis of Christianity. You are seriously out of your depth. Tell you what; I ever get a wild hair to get a circumcision, I’ll come to you and ask about a bris. But regarding Christianity, you seriously know next to nothing, so you should probably bow out of such conversations so as not to look completely ridiculous.
BriannaFox
I stopped seeing Christianity as a religion of peace love and tolerance years ago. The not a true christian spiel is bull, simply put, if someone uses the No true scotsman fallacy and theyre a christian themselves, they are just trying to defend their crappy beliefs and that means they are JUDGING. oops, guess someone did not that that through.
BriannaFox
*think that through.
Knight
Why the hate and bigotry here? I could say I’ve had bad experiences with lesbians, but I don’t let that cloud my opinion of all lesbians or their beliefs. And what you personally believe about Christianity is irrelevant; it’s what the religion itself professes that matters. In this day and age, people think they have a “right” to proclaim that they identify as anything they want regardless of how ridiculous. Well…they legally do, but they also lose the right to be taken seriously as well. As an example, Mormons believe they are Christians and that they follow Christianity, yet there actually IS something called “true Christianity” which adheres to specific tenets. So, they might believe they are, but by the dictionary definition, they are not. So, if Christianity teaches you should not lie, cheat, steal, murder, hoard, have sex outside of marriage etc, someone claiming to be Christian who does any of these things is doing so AGAINST the teachings of Christianity. As an aside, do you have the same vitriol against Judaism, Islam and Hinduism? Or is this just a special hatred you have towards Christians?
Tobi
@Knight. You are a fully grown adult? I only ask because you seem to actually believe there is some kind of vengeful sky pixie who allowed his offspring to get nailed to a plank after he let little children come all over him!!
Knight
So, instead of addressing the question which exposes her bigotry and blatant lunacy, she brings out the sock-puppet. Doesn’t say much about character, substance or anything else other than we’re dealing with a very sad, disturbed sack of humanity.
Not much to see here, folks. Move along…
dwes09
@knight:
” it’s what the religion itself professes that matters. ”
1. that it, like Islam and unlike almost all other religions, is the “only true religion, worshiping the only true God(s)”.
2. that only those who accept that human sacrifice of one man 2000 years ago buys forgiveness for all sins can get into “heaven”.
3. that all others are doomed to an eternity in a lake of fire presided over by another of the Christian Gods.
4. that God is all knowing and yet somehow missed the (non-scriptural) rebellion of the god-like Satan and the creation of Hell, and had to invent salvation thought proxy sacrifice long after creation when things did not go as planned.
5. that those of all other faiths are mislead and worship false gods or satan himself.
SO, those are what Christianity professes: dangerous beliefs that have resulted in a history soaked in blood. Just as Islam which shares many of those exact same beliefs is no going through a similar bloody period (at the SAME AGE as when Christianity was at its bloodiest!!).
And you may deny history if you desire, but you cannot desire the bloodbath of Catholics vs protestants in recent history, or the ever increasing list of Christians who murder family and friends to exorcise demons or those who exploit others for their own financial gains (the Osteins, Benny Hin, Ken Ham, and so on….they are ALL sincere in their belief that Jesus is the literal son of God, so they are Christian in every sense).
And you cannot deny that recent intentional genocides (going back to WW II) were caused by stoking the fires of disdain for heathens lurking in the hearts of most Christians.
Knight
Dwes LOL! You couldn’t be more of a stereotypical jew if you tried.
1. Wasn’t it the jews who started this whole “one true God” thing? Forgot about that, didn’t you?
2. All True Christian churches do not believe that only Christians who accept Jesus are saved. That is in fact a protestant invention that is only 500 years old. Christianity never says who (or even IF anyone) is in hell.
3, 4 and 5 are stupid and not found in Christian teaching, despite what your rabbi or “religious studies” professor told you.
SO, what you thought/were told about what Christianity believes isn’t worth a tuckus-full of foreskins, schlomo. And no, your historical revisionism about the Holocaust being some extension of pogroms etc is as baseless as it is predictable. How many Christian clergy were killed by Nazis? What??? You mean you don’t know??? You mean you’re a jewish bigot who only believes jews were victims of Nazis? Wow…whoodathunk?
Try again, schlomo. That is, until you finally get tired of looking stupid.
dwes09
Knight
1. Wasn’t it the jews who started this whole “one true God” thing? Forgot about that, didn’t you? (CAPS BECAUSE i DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO ITALICS OR BOLD) YOUR IGNORANCE IS STUNNING FOOL. JEWS DO NOT THINK WE HAVE SOME KEY TO SALVATION, NOR DO WE EVER CLAIM TO BE THE ONE TRUE RELIGION, ONLY ONE THAT REJECTS IDOLATRY AND MANY GODS. WE DON’T EVEN THINK OF THE AFTERLIFE OR REFER TO IT IN PRAYERS.
2. All True Christian churches do not believe that only Christians who accept Jesus are saved. That is in fact a protestant invention that is only 500 years old. Christianity never says who (or even IF anyone) is in hell.
3, 4 and 5 are stupid and not found in Christian teaching, despite what your rabbi or “religious studies” professor told you. REALLY? YOU MUST LIVE IN A HOLE IN THE GROUND. MOST CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY HOLDS THAT ONLY ACCEPTING THE SACRIFICE OF JESUS CAN GIVE SALVATION. THAT IS CONSTANTLY BEING TALKED ABOUT, PRAYED ABOUT, SUNG ABOUT. YOU ARE NOT THE ARBITER OF WHO IS A TRUE CHRISTIAN (AND YET SO MANY OF YOU THINK YOU ARE, THAT YOUR DEFINITION IS THE ONLY ONE, WHAT IS THAT, SOME KIND OF INHERENT ARROGANCE?)YOU ARE IGNORANT ABOUT YOUR OWN RELIGION, AND FULL OF ANTISEMITIC HATRED AS WELL.
SO, what you thought/were told about what Christianity believes isn’t worth a tuckus-full of foreskins, schlomo (MY NAME IS NOT SCHLOMO, YOU SOUND LIKE A KKK TWIT, DO YOU REFER TO ALL BLACK PEOPLE AS BOY OR FESTUS? MY UNDERSTANDING OF CHRISTIANITY COMES FROM READING ACTUAL HISTORY, AND YOUR SCRIPTURES IN THREE TRANSLATIONS. JEWS DO NOT DISCUSS CHRISTIANITY IN RELIGIOUS SCHOOL, IT IS IRRELEVANT THERE.). And no, your historical revisionism about the Holocaust being some extension of pogroms etc is as baseless as it is predictable. How many Christian clergy were killed by Nazis? What??? You mean you don’t know??? You mean you’re a jewish bigot who only believes jews were victims of Nazis? Wow…whoodathunk? I DON’T THINK AND NEVER SAID ONLY JEWS WERE KILLED, YOU CLEARLY ARE RUN BY YOUR ASSUMPTIONS RATHER THAN YOUR INTELLECT OR REALITY. YES, THE REICH WAS ANTI-CATHOLIC, AND 3000 CLERGY WERE KILLED UNLESS THEY PLEDGED LOYALTY TO THE REICH. AND, AS ONE SEES FROM POLAND, THE GENOCIDE WAS IN FACT AN EXTENSION OF THE CHRISTIAN HATRED FOR JEWS AND THE HISTORIC REALITY OF THE POGROMS. THE POLES EMBRACED THE GENOCIDE WITH A RELISH THAT EXCEEDED THE GERMANS. AND IF YOU BOTHER TO READ HITLER’S SPEECHES, HE APPEALED TO HIS FOLLOWERS AS CHRISTIANS.
AS FOR THE 4 CHRISTIAN GODS, YOU HAVE THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT…DISTINCT ‘PERSONS’ WHO ACT INDEPENDENTLY OF EACH OTHER…THUS THREE GODS (AND ALL NOT EVEN IMPLIED IN ACTUAL SCRIPTURE), AND SATAN IS REGULARLY REFERRED TO BY MANY AS THE GOD OF THIS EARTH, AND ATTRIBUTED WITH GOD LIKE QUALITIES DESPITE BEING TOTALLY NON SCRIPTURAL. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT JUDAISM OR CHRISTIANITY
Try again, schlomo. That is, until you finally get tired of looking stupid.
AS FOR THE ABOVE, IT WOULD BE EXCEEDINGLY HARD TO LOOK STUPIDER THAN YOU APPEAR IN YOUR APOLOGIST COMMENTS. AND MY NAME IS NOT SCHMOLO, PIG! GO CRAWL BACK UNDER YOUR ROCK AND STAY THERE SO THE WORLD WILL BE A TINY BIT BETTER.
HAD YOU BEEN BORN IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY YOU WOULD LIKELY HAVE GONE AS EZRA POUND DID TO GLADLY LIVE UNDER FASCISM.
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Knight
Awe…I guess you really got triggered there, Schlomo. Anyone who resorts to a diatribe in all caps just looks like they are off their meds.
You are clearly a hypocrite, since YOU started your first diatribe saying Christianity like islam believed in “only true religion, worshiping the only true God(s)”. You didn’t say anything about salvation there, did you, Schlomo? Nope, you sure didn’t. Which is why I rightfully pointed out that judaism believes that exact same thing about itself. So, you see what an idiot you are now? Because everyone else sure does.
Lastly (since you have started to babble, sputter and contradict yourself, so this isn’t really fun anymore) I’ll leave you with this: you shrieked “MOST CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY HOLDS THAT ONLY ACCEPTING THE SACRIFICE OF JESUS CAN GIVE SALVATION.” to which I’m saying, “prove it”. Show me anywhere in Catholic or Orthodox dogma from a Catholic or Orthodox website that says ONLY by “accepting the sacrifice of Jesus can give salvation”. I won’t accept this from some anti-Christian site, or some jewish “comparative religion” site….since you say this is what “most” Christians believe, you show me from the Catholic or Orthodox perspective (the only real Christians by definition, FYI, since you must have apostolic succession as a requirement) where the church says this is the case.
I am giving you one final chance to back up your claim…so the floor is yours, Schlomo. Oh, and be a good boy and cite your sources.
eeebee333
That is one effed up headline. Has ANYONE on your staff ever heard of journalistic integrity?
Knight
Welcome to Queerty. I stopped looking for integrity (journalistic or otherwise) on this site after week 1 of posting here.
Stache
Do you really think they’re on the fence with Roy Moore? They know he did it and so what. As long as it’s not 14 yo boys all is ok with them.
GayEGO
Stache: Right on! They can rape 14 yo boys in church! :>)
OzJosh
Christian values writ large.
Garth
“…..marital statuses … ” just look at that pillar of Christian hilarity Kim Davis , married what, four times? These guys are a joke.
Knight
All of these so-called evangelical “christians” are a joke. It’s a “make it up as you go” belief system based on a very exclusionist principle that since they have made the decision to become a special-brand of “christian” and say the magic words (“I’zzzzzzzzz SAYVED!!!!”) they get a license to do anything they want in life with impunity (i.e. do as we say, not as we do).
DMscrub32
All Christians aren’t bigots just as all gay people aren’t promiscuous or insert stereotype. My parents are deeply spiritual and also some of the most loving and accepting people I know. Not trying to write a hallmark card but if we keep generalizing people or groups how can we build bridges or move forward.
Knight
Well said. But unfortunately you’re either preaching to the choir or in the lion’s den on this one. The haters here will not be persuaded by logic.
Stache
No one said all Christians are bigots. If Christianity wants a better image though then they need a better spokesmen then the Benham, Duck Dynasty, Pat Robertson, etc types.
Knight
Dayum, bitch. Are you going to actually troll EVERY comment I respond to? Do you even have a life? Guess not.
Stache
@Knight. Oh tina girl I was just responding to someone else but I’m sorry your highness. I didn’t realize you had already responded. I’m glad I’m the first thing you think of when you log on though.
SiamSam
Christian bashing? Again? So pwogwessive. So bwave. Don’t see Queerty covering rampant Islamic homophobia, imams advocating literal homo-cide or Muslims revering an actual pedophile as their prophet. (No doubt Queerty will delete this comment.)
Knight
Siam oh, of course not. Those sweet peace-loving muslims are the biggest supporters of the LGBT community! Remember how they give gay men flying lessons free of charge? How could anyone criticize those wonderful muslims who just want to live their own quiet, peaceful lives?
SiamSam
It’s not called DIvErsity for nuthin’, Knight,
zealot
I’ll bet if good old Roy had pulled any of his “alleged” shenanigans on one of their female relatives, they wouldn’t be so turn-the-other-cheek about it. But, if I’m wrong and they still feel like what he did was somehow OK or sanctioned by the Bible, then they’re as bad as he and someone should be looking into their dating habits.
Rimminit
The Ben-Wa-balls brothers are the very reason people are leaving the Christian faith in droves and becoming atheist or at least agnostic. There’s no room for religion in the 21st century. Get over it.
Knight
Rimm actually, you are wrong; all available studies have shown that not only is Christianity growing, but people who answer “none” (i.e. agnostics, atheists etc) to which religion they adhere to is DECLINING. So, no one is leaving Christianity “in droves”. In fact, more muslims convert to Christianity than vice-versa, despite the common lie of islam being the “fastest growing religion” (even Bah’ai are growing at a faster rate than islam is). As always, I never make factual statements without sources to back them. So, if you have information to the contrary, I’d be happy to see it. However, based on the facts at hand, you might want to update your information on the topic.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/07/why-people-with-no-religion-are-projected-to-decline-as-a-share-of-the-worlds-population/
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-fastest-growing.htm
dwes09
“To be clear, the total number of religiously unaffiliated people (which includes atheists, agnostics and those who do not identify with any religion in particular) is expected to rise in absolute terms, from 1.17 billion in 2015 to 1.20 billion in 2060.”
The decrease in total percentage is based on the age at which people leave religion and the fact that they have fewer children which says something very clear and telling: those who have greater life experience and are more reality based in their understanding and decisions are the most likely to shed their faith.
The dogmatic, living in their myth based world cling to their faith and indoctrinate their children as best they can.
“Some social theorists have suggested that as countries develop economically, more of their residents will move away from religious affiliation, as has been seen in Europe. But there is little evidence of such a phenomenon in Muslim-majority countries. Moreover, in Hindu-majority India, religious affiliation is still nearly universal despite rapid economic and social change.”
This seems very clear for developed countries, and will likely remain that way. Muslim majority countries, even indonesia and Malaysia can be seen as still developing, and even there have a less stringent form of Islam than the north african and middle eastern countries (even Saudi Arabia cannot be considered developed when the rural areas are considered). As for Hinduism, if the Indians I deal with at work are any indication, many of them are the Hindu equivalent of United Church of Christ or Unitarian, that is to say more secular than faith driven.
And, in the final analysis, things change so rapidly in terms of economics and resource availability these days extrapolations for the next 45 years seem at best speculative, at worst foolish.
Knight
“those who have greater life experience and are more reality based in their understanding and decisions are the most likely to shed their faith.”
Horsepucky. Completely baseless speculation with no qualification whatsoever. But I’ll tell you how we COULD qualify your statement; we can look at the number and breakdown of Nobel Prize winners…which even someone as obtuse as yourself would have to admit is a fairly good measurement of having a “greater life experience” than most humans walking the earth. OK, then…
“According to 100 Years of Nobel Prize (2005), a review of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000, 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates, have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference (423 prizes). Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards.”
source: https://www.amazon.com/Years-Nobel-Prizes-Baruch-Shalev/dp/0935047379
So…wrong yet again. I’d say it’s fun proving you wrong, but in reality it’s way too easy.
masonbelise
Knight, I’m going to teach you about credible sources. About 100% of school teachers and college professors teach you how to find a credible source.
1. Factually relevant: showcase information that is relevant. (you succeeded. Gold star)
2. Always check who publishes the site to see: if they are a credible source themselves and if they would be biased in their articles. (at least one of your websites is credible)
3. Check when it is published: if a website is outdated it could mean the information is outdated.(the other website was last copyrighted in 2005. the page in particular even states at the end that it is 2004) you found a very dated site that is mostly just biased opinion. Not to mention it’s just plain ugly.
I have seen your face in this comment section alone at least a dozen times, each time spouting negativity to each person simply commenting their view on Christianity and the topic at hand. They have a right to post their view even if it’s different then yours, just like you do. Is this an article with a clickbait title, yes but let’s try not to insult every commenter just because they don’t have the same beliefs as you. That in itself is not something Jesus would have believed in. I respect your opinion, please respect mine and everyone else’s even though they differ. Also, no one is saying specifically all Christians are bigots. It’s just a fact some are. Just because some Christians are bigots does not mean you all are, but the problem is when that argument is about another religion such as Islam (all Muslims are Terrorists) a lot of Christians turn a blind eye. The truth is not all Christians are bigots, just as not all Muslims are terrorists(in fact most are in fact peace-loving) every religion has their radicals. (this is in relation to one of your other comments which I lost in the sea of comments.)
Knight
Mason, let me respond in kind:
1. I respect opinions…differing or not. It was the TONE of specific posters I objected to, and I responded in kind.
2. You didn’t “teach” me anything about sourcing…in effect you just kind of rambled there, calling my link to a book on Amazon.com “outdated” and “ugly”. It was written by a jewish (not Christian) author…so, what is it exactly that you find objectionable? And despite it being from 2004, it is absolutely relevant up through then…so if you have updated info, please provide it.
3. We agree that while opinions are subjective, facts are not. There have been 3 posters here who have attempted to distort/lie about facts, specifically on what Christianity does/does not teach. The absurdity here is all of which can be easily verified online through legitimate sources. If someone made the same lies about islam, judaism etc, I would correct them on those topics as well. And notice; after I corrected one poster in particular (repeatedly) he has nothing further to say…because he was wrong. He can hold whatever opinions he wishes, but he cannot reinvent fact to suit his realty.
I hope this makes sense.
GayEGO
Well! After all, Trump wants Roy Moore to help him pass his tax plan, forget the victims!
Keith
I’m sure they’ll hold the same position when they’re being raped – by a Christian of course.
brickdr66
Westboro Baptist think they are Christians. I don’t think Christ would ever act like they do.
Mr-DJ
That’s all fine and good – WITHIN THEIR CHURCH and religious community and their relationship with their Maker. But has nothing to do with the secular laws we have set up to govern us on this good earth. There are two places they have top make this right. One, on their spiritual plane, and the other, in their worldly/physical plane. They still have to pay that price on that latter one..
Kevan1
Sorry was a little late on this article. “Rape is OK so long as it’s done by a Christian, Benham Brothers claim.” I am a Christian… Can I rape these two idiots. I fill the bill according to them.