So Rep. Alcee Hastings was about to rock our world with an amendment to the Defense Department budget bill that would have forbid any cash from being spent to investigate Don’t Ask Don’t Tell dismissals, effectively placing a moratorium on kicking out the gays. And then he withdrew the bill. How come? “Pressure” from congressional colleagues … and a little place called 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Hastings’ bill would’ve forced the Pentagon to not spend one penny of its 2010 budget on looking into allegations of soldiers being sick with The Gay. It’s almost like the moratorium Sen. Kirsten Gillbrand wanted, then canceled, because of lack of support. (A moratorium is also something President Obama could instate, because he is the commander-in-chief, though he insists Congress must do all the heavy lifting.)
But just when we were ready to take Hastings out for a quiet dinner with a nice bottle of cab sav, he yanked the amendment. It wasn’t his own doing, you see, but his pals in Congress and the White House pushed him to withdraw it. But Hastings isn’t going quietly. Upon withdrawing the bill, he said: “Due to pressure from some of my congressional colleagues and from the White House, I have withdrawn my amendment. I would, however, like to note that it is most unfortunate that we are not addressing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell at this time. We should not be appropriating funds to enable qualified service members to be booted out just because they are honest about whom they are. … What is the holdup, then? Last month, 76 of my colleagues and I sent a letter to President Obama urging him to take leadership on this issue and to work together with Congress to repeal this law. More than a month later, I have yet to receive an official response.”
Here’s your response, Hastings: Last year the military clocked $95.1 million in line item spending to dismiss gay soldiers. And there’s cash in this year’s budget to keep things running.
How about we take this to the next level?
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It’s clear Hastings is an ally. He would not have introduced such a bill were he not. But this is the sport of politics, where Hastings needs his teammates, and it’s clear they got the better of him this time around. But wait: Aren’t his colleagues the same Democrats in Congress, and the same president in the White House, who want DADT repealed? Huh.
Dabq
Say it isn’t so Queerty, a black man of all people fighting for equality and the repeal of this Clinton era debacle?? I really don’t think your readers will get this as blacks are always the villains in this story and fight since we all know according to the readers here each and everyone of them is cough, cough, homophobic!
This story is going to ruin the day of about 95% of the posters here LOL!
prissysissy
@Dabq: While I agree with many things you say about the over & covert racism on this site, this comment was unnecessary. I had not paid attention to Rep. Hasting’s skin color till you brought it up.
Alexander
In regards to GLBT issues (the majority of spineless) Democrats = Republicans, just more articulate.
emb
This is just weird. Unless Obama has some secret amazing elaborate gay rights plan that requires down-to-the-nanosecond coordination to roll out properly and thrill us all with its brilliance, the Administration has yet more ‘splainin’ to do.
Cam
Good for Hastings! Well not for pulling it back, but for at least being honest and saying who pressured him to do it etc… The Dems are either homophobic or are so terrified of the weakend republican party that they might as well be.
M Shane
No. 1 · Dabq : Mr. Hastings action can be a lesson to us all;
maybe it takes a minority person to realize the importance of
odf personal integrity; He said “We should not be appropriating funds to enable qualified service members to be booted out just because they are HONEST ABOUT WHOM THEY ARE.
And that is the essential moral approbrium which should have stopped anyone from even thinking about such a bill in the first place.
It doesn’t have anything to do with equality as such: it’s asking people to lie as a lifestyle, which should infuriate all people. I think sometimes that gays themseves are so used to deception that they just overlook that fact.
D-Sun
So…Barack Obama refuses to sign an executive order putting an end to these investigations/dismissals, even though it’s well within his power to do so, because he thinks it’s solely up to congress to get it done. But then when someone in congress actually starts getting some of the wheels turning, his Democratic higher-ups, including the White House, slap him on the hand and tell him to knock it the fuck off. In essence proving that the Democratic party is chock full of double-speaking liars, spineless cowards and closeted bigots.
I’m dying to hear how the Obamapologists explain this.
M Shane
I’m sure that it has far more to do with the legislators than the White House. Granted, Obama could do a Bush and make a moratorium as commander and chief, but he has made it really clear that the U.S has got to be on track with the Constitution .
Everyone here seems to be blind to the fact that we have had an outrageously overextended and frighteningly powerful STANDING ARMYsince WW2, which we have been warned about by all of the Founding Fathers:
“When a government wishes to deprive its citizens
of freedom, and reduce them to slavery, it
generally makes use of a standing army.” — Luther
Martin, Maryland delegate to the Constitutional
Convention
We have allowed the Military easily enough power to take over America in a day or two. Moreso they make it possible for Corporations to run amuck all over the world . We have a military presence in over 150 countries. .
I’m relatively sure that nobody wantsd to fuck with the Right wing bastards who run it. Remember most Coups are executed by the military.
And you say “who us?” Don’t for a second believe that we having created a monster.
M Shane
This is an educated guess, but I think we would be real fools to overlook the ramifications and influence involved
InExile
“What is the holdup, then? Last month, 76 of my colleagues and I sent a letter to President Obama urging him to take leadership on this issue and to work together with Congress to repeal this law. More than a month later, I have yet to receive an official response.”
NO LEADERSHIP AGAIN from the Obus. Guess the Democrats are trying to convert all of the LGBT community into Republicans???
InExile
@InExile: THIS MAN IS BEGINNING TO MAKE JIMMY CARTER LOOK GOOD!
John
I think we need to start smoozing the republicans. Dems do nothing for us.
No Homophobama
@John
“I think we need to start smoozing the republicans. Dems do nothing for us.”
Exactly. Stop giving them our money. Stop giving them our creative, financial and intellectual horsepower. The LGBT Community has the highest concentration of talent of any group I can think of (we have the best of all other groups) IMHO.
Only support candidates who support FULL EQUALITY.
InExile
@No Homophobama: All the republicans need is a pro-equality candidate and our entire community will convert, no question! The democrats are pushing us to explore other options other than the democratic party.
Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
@M Shane:
If this were your first appearance on this forum in discussions of DADT, one might give you the benefit of the doubt of never having been exposed to the many times I and others have presented documentation to the contrary. But since it is not, you should change your nom de Net to “M SHAME” for continuing to parrot the BIG LIE that attacking DADT with anything other than repeal would be to “do a Bush.”
You can choose to read the following FACTS from the Palm Center and stop your nonsense or you can choose to continue to be an Obamabot.
“President Barack Obama: we cannot ignore the will of Congress
Why this needs to be corrected: Congress has authorized the President, via statute, to suspend any law regarding military separations during national security emergencies. Hence, an executive order would not be a matter of the President choosing to “not enforce a law” but an appropriate exercise of executive authority granted directly by Congressional statute.
Representative Patrick Murphy (D-PA): an executive order would ignore standing law
Why this needs to be corrected: Congress has authorized the President, via statute, to suspend any law regarding military separations during national security emergencies. Hence, an executive order would be consistent with, not ignore, standing law.
Secretary of Defense Robert Gates: the military is bound by legislation in its enforcement of “don’t ask, don’t tell”
Why this needs to be corrected: “Don’t ask, don’t tell” as codified by Congress, grants significant authority to the Secretary of Defense to devise and implement the procedures under which investigations, separation proceedings, and other personnel actions will be carried out. In fact, Secretary Gates has said he is looking for ways to relax enforcement of the law without approval from Congress.”
When more voters, including Republicans, support letting gays serve than support any of his other major progams, there is no other explanation for the President abandoning his explicit campaign promises to start fighting for repeal of DADT the day he took office and instruct his military advisors to prepare for implemenation of it; no explanation for his continuing to discharge gays day after day when, by HIS OWN definition, it “weakens national security”; no explanation for his having DEFENDED DADT in a brief to the Supreme Court in the same homophobic terms used to pass it in 1993; no explanation for his ignoring or disingenuously denying his Congressionally mandated powers to stop discharges; no explanation for his not even having given 77 members of Congress the courtesy of a reply to their letter to him re DADT than the obvious fact that he has agreed to pitch stopping DADT out the window in exchange for support from the homohating dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park of the Pentagon for other things he wants more.
And NOTHING but continuing to deny the DNC another single lavender dime will change that.
Stephen
@No Homophobama: I say try the republican party.I’m sure they can ‘tolerate us’just fine right?. The Bible tells them to.
Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
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Dabq
@Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com: While I get it that you hate Obama, and, that’s cool as that’s what keeps this site going and posters flocking here, why are you allowed to put those gigantic, silly pictures in with your posts? And, who the heck is this Leonard guy? Well, scratch that, I don’t want to know as its probably someone scary as those long winded, boring posts.
InExile
@Stephen: Republicans are starting to realize that the social extreme right is not working for them. Don’t be surprised if we see some pro-equality republican in the near future.
I do not like the idea of supporting republicans and I do not agree with their positions on anything. That said, if a pro-equality republican comes along, I will support them in a NY minute. The democrats talk like they are fighting for us but when it comes down to it, they are not. They are all talk and promises to get our money and votes, then they leave us high and dry. President Obama is a prime example.
Stephen
@InExile: I know we like to fool ourselves that maybe republicans can treat us better than the current Democratic party and this president.L
Cam
Does anybody else notice that often on here, whenever there is an article that could make the White House look bad, somebody posts very early some statement calling all the posters here racists? It seems a clever way to divert the topic from the origional subject…which is, why the hell is the White House putting pressure on this guy to remove his pro-gay amendment?
InExile
@Stephen: I am just tired of being stabbed in the back and run over with the democrat’s Obus.
SM
@InExile:
Splat…go lay in the road.!
Weeeee..
Oh and click here………
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-27/finally-action-on-gay-soldiers/2/
TANK
It’s message management. Silence them with racism, or better yet, use others’ screennames and post racist remarks. SM does it all of the time by outright lying and her homophobia.
Obama needs to issue that stop loss, and can now stop hiding behind the claim that it needs to be handled by congress.
Stephen
@InExile: I know we like to fool ourselves that maybe republicans can treat us better than the current Democratic party and this president. Let me tell you, Republicans hate us and they don’t even make an apology for it or try to hide it. And their homophobia is only getting worse. So, unless a more progressive party emerges (I mean more progressive than Democrats) we are in deep ‘dudu’. Currently, Obama is our only hope to be honest with you and if his poll numbers drop that means even worse news for gays. I saw some of us happy because He has slightly slipped in the polls. How is that a celebration moment for gays??. If he becomes less popular, He most definatelly won’t have the guts to touch on any controversial issues. Our best bet is that he stays popular and does the right thing regarding civil rights for all Americans, LGBT’s included.
TANK
Here we go. SM’s here to spout her homophobia and vacuously defend obama.
InExile
@Cam: The Obots called everyone who did not agree with them racists during the primary also.
Funny the White House tells us Congress has to act to repeal DADT but when they do, they are stopped by the same White House. We are being run over by the Obus again, it’s obvious.
TANK
@Stephen:
This is a myth. Obama is not our only hope if he’s not going to provide tangible results. I’d rather not vote at all. We’ve lived under eight years of bushco, and well over a decade of republican control of congress, and let’s be honest–things AREN’t tangibly different. Besides, the republican party is going to have to clean house, and that’s immanent. They can no longer rely on the “moral minority” and religious extremists.
SM
@TANK:
I’m not Homophobic. You are a LIAR. My brother is gay.
I’ve not agreed with Obama on everything.
You are still a liar.
TANK
@SM:
but you are, blanche. You are homophobic.
InExile
@Stephen: I agree with your point regarding republicans. But, my point is we need to push Obama harder to show some leadership on gay rights before his poll numbers drop more and before the mid term elections in 2010. His poll numbers are probably not going to go back up because the jobs outlook is bad and so is the economy. We are running out of time here.
SM
@TANK:
Tank, No matter hard you try, you will never hurt my “internet feelings” It’s they internet and you are nothing but words on a screen. You really lack a lot in your little life.
Its not my fault the LGBT community is being talked about everywhere for just becoming bitter and angry instead of impressing people by organizing and helping this new administration. People spinning blogs are to blame. Its disgusting but if you all want to fall for it. Have fun.
Martin Luther Kings you are not.
TANK
@SM:
This is just derailing. Total derail.
Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
@Cam:
Ad hominems are always the club to which those who have no other defense resort.
And, in this case AS IF it were only white people criticizing Obama. The race card players conveniently ignore the fact that one of the loudest critics of Obama has been Stampp Corbin who is not only African-American but a longtime personal friend of the Obamas [he went to grade school with Michelle and Harvard with both of them] and [for those say all the criticism comes from Hillaryites] was also the cochair of O’s national LGBT campaign group. But let Mr. Corbin speak for himself:
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Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
@TANK:
Please do not feed SM’s endless craving for attention. Thank you.
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InExile
@Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com: Excellent post. Hey SM, read this!
Cindy
@Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com: Ah… you hate Obama, your extreme posters speak volumes, they actually remind me alot of the homophobic posters the religious right carry.You know the ones I’m talking about. Their posters say one thing. They hate us. Your posters only express hate. Most Americans hate us too. Two hates can’t turn into love.I say this with all due respect. loose the posters.
Stephen
@TANK: SM is homophobic and you are racist. both of you suck!!! You are as bad as she is.
TANK
@Stephen:
How am I a racist? I told you, goddamnit, I saw big momma’s house I and II! I can’t be. Do you know what that does to someone?
Derailing.
SM
@Stephen:
LOL at people calling other people with gay family members homophobic. Hell, I can walk to the HRC store from my brothers home.
You all are either a comedy or a tragedy. Not sure which.
Stephen
@TANK: I don’t care if you saw roots or f***d a big black guy, or if you can’t dance or have a small d**ck, you are as bad as SM.
TANK
@Stephen:
Yeah, but how am I a racist? I’m playing the big momma’s house card. Don’t make me play Madea–that would end the conversation right there. No one can argue against the Tyler Perry card.
Stephen
@TANK: You can play whichever ignorant card you want TANK, You are a racist because you have dropped the N word several times on this blog, that’s all.
TANK
@Stephen:
Nuh-awwww, I haven’t.
InExile
@SM: Yes, and Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house!
Stephen
@TANK: Yah huh you have. There is medication available for Amnesia or demented patients.
TANK
@Stephen:
Nuh ah, I didn’t.
Cam
@SM: You said “LOL at people calling other people with gay family members homophobic. Hell, I can walk to the HRC store from my brothers home.
You all are either a comedy or a tragedy. Not sure which.”
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Phyllis Shafly has a gay son, Alan Keys has a gay daughter, having a gay family member doesn’t make you gay friendly.
schlukitz
@InExile:
Yeah, but you must admit that Jimmy did know his nucular shit! LOL
schlukitz
@Cam:
having a gay family member doesn’t make you gay friendly.
Thank you! ;o)
Blanche keeps using that prop, over and over and over….
InExile
@schlukitz: Actually, I have nothing against Jimmy Carter, just his reputation as a bad President. He actually has done a lot of good since he was President except for the time he supported Obama instead of Hillary but that’s history I guess. I guess he saw himself in Obama.
Bill Perdue
Democrats are not our allies. It they wanted to be allies they’d quit and run independently, but that would mean an end to corporate funding in the form of ‘campaign contributions’, ‘speakers fees’ and other corporate bribes.
The Democrats, like their Republican cousins are mired in obligations to corporations. Obama got his from big Pharma and financial giants like Goldman-Sachs. He repaid his debts by scuttling socialized medicine – single payer – and handing out trillions to the looter rich. Reid is a tool of the gambling industry and Pelosi is rich in her own right. Perhaps the worst of them is Hillary Clinton, who got large campaign contributions from war contractors, the nice folks who make white phosphorus napalm for use on children from Palestine to Pakistan.
http://blog.progressivedem.com/2008/10/28/congress-a-millionaires-club-made-wealthier-by-paluson–perps.aspx?ref=rss
Common Dream reports that
Democrats and Republicans alike don’t give a rat’s ass about us. That’s why Barney Frank gutted ENDA.
schlukitz
@InExile:
I knew you didn’t have anything against Jimmy Carter.
I was just being facetious of the peanut farmer’s inability to pronounce the word nuclear properly. HeeHee
InExile
@schlukitz: Love those peanuts. There’s lots of them here today!
InExile
@Bill Perdue: Always bashing Hillary. We would be better off with her.
petted
My suspicion is that the Dems want to limit any LGBT related legislation attached to the DOD bill to just the Hate Crimes legislation to avoid having the bill be referred to as the ‘gay’ bill in the upcoming election cycle – there little reason to think the republicans would try to do something like that either. Not saying its right but given how the repugnants campaign I can see where their coming from though I don’t particularly care for it.
Cam
@petted: I guess having a super majority isn’t enough for them to not be cowards. Do all republicans have to die before the Dems stop being afraid to try anything? Or is it that they have just been better at hiding their homophobia?
edgyguy1426
@Dabq: I think a simple Google of Leonard Matlovich could school you in an important part of gay history AND funny you should cast the homophobic label because of some deep self-hatred within:
DABQ: On Lt. Dan Choi:Wow, this guy has it going on and should be the face of DADT on tv and radio, since he is far better a spokesman for why its wrong and should be illegal, and his words were powerful, unlike that Choi guy who was just awful when he lisped it out.
Posted: May 20, 2009 at 10:51 am
edgyguy1426
I think Obama’s doing a far better job than Hillary could ever do. Would she handle gay rights differently? I dunno, I’m not a fortune teller and her gay marriage position is the same as Obama’s. But there is that huge monkey on her back, namely Bill.
InExile
@Cam: YES and YES!
InExile
@edgyguy1426: Remember Sarah Palin licking her finger and holding it up in the air to see which way the wind was blowing when she talked about Obama, well obviously she did that for a reason which we can all see now. Hillary did not get those type of attacks and Obama’s plan for gays is in fact Hillary’s with a few changes. He had no plan of his own because he was distancing himself from us from day one. What we are seeing now, I saw two years ago.
schlukitz
@InExile:
Love those peanuts. There’s lots of them here today!
You noticed, eh?
I’m busy chomping away on them. LOL
Shelby
@edgyguy1426: Exactly.
petted
@Cam: I’d hardly say they have a super-majority in the Senate and in all fairness the blue-dog Dems are apt to be opposed to a lot of our rights – that said the wankers need to get their act together as the NY senate is beginning to look more competent in comparison. Side note I’m not bothering to respond to the rest of your remarks as they are merely rhetorical devices and of little use other then to relieve your own stress – politics is like waiting for a call from that hot guy at the club by the end of the night your always pissed but once you stop waiting for that call it gets better. Then again I’m looking forward to the political blood-bath between Hutchinson and Perry for governor either way its gonna hurt the republicans in Texas 🙂 that and the Matthew Shepard Act, ENDA, and DOMA seem more important to me then letting members of our community get shot at in the name of a nation that treats us as less then equals – unsurprisingly more bigots are ok with us getting shot at then letting us have fundamental human rights.
Bill Perdue
@petted: Thanks for admitting the truth, or at least part of it.
the Democrats do have a super majority but so many of them are themselves outright bigots and the rest pander to bigots that it changes northing.
With Democrats like these who needs Republicans?
@InExile: As I said before, it’s not really possible to bash HRH Clinton. She’s a pro-war, anti union homohater. She opposes socialized medicine and supports NAFTA. She gave Bush everying he asked for to commit genocide.
She’s as bad as they get.
InExile
@Bill Perdue: Hillary care was universal health care (public option) not the insurance hybrid of Obama care, get a grip.
Looks like you will get your wish, the insurance hybrid without the public option. Be happy for all those uninsured poor people!
edgyguy1426
@InExile: If she learned anything during those 8 years, it was that the Clintons lived AND governed by the polls and the constant need to be loved at least on his part was pathological at times. I think Obama’s better by a long shot but I’m not about to give him a pass where my rights are concerned.
Bill Perdue
@InExile: Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama have always pigheadedly opposed socialized medicine, the single payer option. Nothing else will work. The ‘public option’ is a front for a health care system run for profit to increase the riches of the owners of HMO’s, insurance companies, Big Pharma and other criminal elements.
If you support Hillary you support the war, homohating, NAFTA, union busting and the continued existence of a health care system for profit.
There’s no excuse for that.
InExile
@edgyguy1426: I hear you, hate to keep digging up the HRC thing but I am very disappointed by Obama on gay issues and progressive issues like privacy. I really did expect more from him.
InExile
@Bill Perdue: You said:
If you support Hillary you support the war, homohating, NAFTA, union busting and the continued existence of a health care system for profit.
There’s no excuse for that.
What is the difference with Obama? Looks the same as your description to me so please do tell. Hillary wanted to bring all the troops home, Obama wanted to expand the Afghanistan war and has so what is your point? And NAFTA, not one word on that since he was given the nomination so what is your point? Homohating Hillary’s plan for gays is the one Obama copied with some changes so what is your point? As far as unions are concerned, Obama has not mentioned unions.
Bill Perdue
@InExile: You seem to be the only person on the planet operating under the illusion that I’m an Obama backer.
Hillary did not want to bring the troops home. That’s simply a lie. She supported the war from the beginning and it’s clear that stealing their oil was her goal and motive. Obama was for some forms of NAFTA but too cagey to vote for them. He’s a liar if he says he’s opposed to NAFTA. He’s doing his best to destroy the UAW.
It’s silly for you to defend a pro-war, anti-union homohater like Hillary Clinton by reminding us that Obama’s just as bad. They’re the same kind of sickening hustlers as Bill Clinton, the Bushes and McCain. There are no differences there.
Looking for a fuehrer, which is exactly what you Obots and Clintonistas are doing, whether the “Leader’ is male or female is self destructive. Toddle on over to Berlin and visit the exhibits and museums to figure out why.
Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
Oh, Dear! Comrade Perdue is off her OCCD—Obsessive Compulsive Clinton Disorder meds again.
Ask, “Do you have the time?” or “Would you like fries with that?” and she’ll start frothing at the mouth about how the Clintons killed Vincent Foster AND Christ and 6 millions Jews and…wait, what was that other thing…oh, yeah, cancelled “Laverne & Shirley.”
Yawn.
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Bill Perdue
@Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com: Everybody familiar with the repulsively close relationship between Rick Santorum, former Republican Senator from Pennsylvania and Hillary Clinton, former Republican in Drag and Senator from New York.
The two of them were part of the Senatorial protestant equivalent of Opus Dei and collaborated in writing the ‘faith based’ initiatives law that permitted Bush/Rove and now Obama/Dubois to bribe christer bigots.
That’s all in the public record. What isn’t so well known is that Santorum and H. Clinton are reputed to have had a love child named Michael. Mickey loves his Mommie Dearest way too much, gets personally offended when she’s accuratly described and jumps to her defense.
Vomit making.
InExile
@Bill Perdue: You are an Obot, I remember you bashing Hillary and Bill during the primary on AOL, you carry the burden of the Obus on your own shoulders. Yes, you bear partial responsibility for trying to ruin the good Clinton name. By bashing the Clintons you were aiding and abetting the Obots. My point is, it is a little late to complain about NAFTA, wars, unions, health care and gay rights when you helped the current situation happen. You stabbed Hillary in the back.
Bill Perdue
@InExile: You’re demented. I’m a socialist. I’ve never voted for a Democrat in my life because they’re just Republicans in drag. You on the other hand continuously project your juvenile fantasies onto politicians who don’t give a rat’s ass about you.
The Clintons can’t be bashed any more than Biden, McCain, Palin, Obama and the Bushes. And for the same reason – they’re all homohating pro-war union busters. Clintonistas are the same as Obots and Log Cabin Republicans.
InExile
@Bill Perdue: So you admit you bear partial responsibility? Guilty huh?
Just imagine how Hillary must feel?
Bill Perdue
@InExile: Keep on talking to youself. I’m sure it all makes sense to you.
kevin57
There is no need to threaten with jumping to the GOP in the next elections. Just sitting it out will be enough to grab the Dems’ attention. No money, no volunteers, no votes, no enthusiasm.
Let me make this prediction…
By the midterm elections, the Dems’ prospects will be looking bad, and they will come running to the gays for money, volunteers, etc. The real question is: will any of us fall for it? Fool me once…
edgyguy1426
@InExile: C’est une histoire que je connais par coeur
Crunch the Numbers
I hate to be the bearer of more bad news, but all of you thinking that the gay vote is so coveted that come midterm elections, Obama will “come crawling” are just plain ol’ delusional.
Come midterm elections, Obama will have the African American vote on lock (esp after the Gates issue), the latino vote on lock (after Sotomayor), and signficant portions of the woman vote (first thing he did was the equal pay for women act) and if he manages to lift the economy, bring home troops and offer even a tweek of the current healthcare system then it’s over. Throw “God in the mix” and do nada for the gays and he will bring in christian types.
Seriously, the gay vote is not coveted and we ain’t got that much money plus many gays don’t vote to boot.
Unless the Repubs can literally bring the country to the brink again AND offer up some amazing candidate AND show Obama getting his dick sucked by a 20 year old white girl, it’s a wrap.
open your eyes folks….
hyhybt
In essence proving that the Democratic party is chock full of double-speaking liars, spineless cowards and closeted bigots.
In other words, “politicians.”
SM
@Crunch the Numbers:
Why did you leave the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act off your list?
Obama made campaign promises to many groups and he is basically treating everyone equal. You all just want to entire LGBT agenda first.
Look it up~
InExile
@edgyguy1426: Peut-etre qu’il est temps de passer a autre chose!
InExile
@Crunch the Numbers: You are 100% correct, Obama does not need us anymore. He needed us in the general election because it was close and that’s it.
The economy is his problem with no jobs on the horizon, the economy can only recover to a point not even close to where it was during the Bush years. The money via home equity and rising home prices is a money source of the past.
His problem will arrive in 2012 if the repugs come up with a socially left of center moderate. That’s when all the promises will start flowing from the great hopey changey one again. He will become a fierce advocate for the LGBT community again.
Mike
@Crunch the Numbers: You, Mr. are unfortunately right. Gays are a small fraction of the population plus no one gives a shit about us. This is a reality I learned a long time ago. Obama has the support of every minority group except the gays and He knows it. He knows how to please the women, latinos and blacks.Right now over 80 percent of blacks and latinos are registered voters and are eagerly awaiting 2012.
Seriously
SM
I wasn’t leaving the Shepard Act off the list, I was merely responding to all those who want to “threaten” to withhold money or their vote come 2012 as if somehow that is a serious threat to Obama. Personally, I think Obama has done quite a bit for our community given the circumstances. Yes, I want more too, but I am willing to be patient. I understand there are those who are not willing to wait, and that is their freedom.
I will be voting for Obama in 2012 and know that many gays will also (and many will not).
But the idea that Obama “needs” the gay vote, especially given the size of our population relative to other minority groups, ie AA, latinos, women (which I believe really are MUST HAVES) is crazy.
Abandoning the Obama administration is just some symbolic crap that will accomplish nothing.
my two cents….
Crunch the Numbers
SM=Crunch the Numbers
sorry, sometimes my auto-fill goes a little haywire
M Shane
No. 80 · Crunch the Numbers You are right, in most respects. It is a bit early to predict what Obama Will do with the Gay issues however. He is struggeling right now just to get a palatable Health Care Bill through. If you look at the Wash Post you can see that the Pharm. and Helth Care industry are paying “blue Dog Dems ” big time already to fuck that up., and donly a selfish twit would claim that gay rights were more important or even as likely to get results.
Few people have the political instincts it seems to realise that Obama was elected by virtue of the support of the Black community: he ran as a black Candidate He has to handle the gay issues with kid gloves and he is nopt 1/4 into his first term.
I seriously believe that he is a man of principle and intellect and not, at heart a raving Religious lunatic, who are alll boobs.
I am a democratic Socialist and do not for a minute believe that if he had a free hand believe that he would not make people’s heads spin with the changes he would make with a free hand. I belive however that he wants to return us to a constitutional form of Govenment.
I was just reading yesturday an article about how Cheney had plans of overlooking the first, fifth Amendments and other sacred part of the Consytitution and Deploy American Troops into the Country. If you have read the text of the last Patriot act Bush gave himself power to declatre Martial law.
I somtimes get the feeling tha people just went to sleep for the past 8 years and now expect everything to be suddenly Enchanted.