Openly gay FOX News contributor Guy Benson is back with an uninspiring new video produced by Prager University for–well–we’re not sure who the intended audience is supposed to be. Definitely not LGBTQ people. Though straight people probably aren’t going to give a shit either.
In the video, which was released earlier this week, 32-year-old Benson defends his identity as “a Christian, a patriotic American, and a free market shrink-the-government conservative who also happens to be gay.”
“When it comes to my political beliefs, my orientation is only one part of the story,” Benson says. “It’s not the totality of who I am.”
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He continues: “Some unimaginative leftists like to believe this qualifies me as a self-hating gay person. This is so boring!”
Not nearly as boring as yet another cisgender white dude named “Guy” spewing antiquated conservative talking points to other cisgender white people. But we digress.
Benson goes on to say that everyone is way too obsessed with things like gender, race, and sexual orientation, all of which have nothing to do with their ideas or values. And that’s boring!
Related: Out Fox News Commentator Thinks Gays Should Ease Up On People Against Marriage Equality
“To be candid, in my day-to-day life and work, I spend a lot more time thinking and writing about the failures of Obamacare, for example, than I do about ‘LGBT issues,’ whatever that term might mean on any given day,” he says.
Watch. Or don’t.
DCguy
It’s fascinating. In the interest of “Balance” media flooded us with stories about a group like “Gays for Trump. A group that when they called for a march got about 5 people to show up. But in spite of that we had to keep hearing about them.
Now, since Obama is gone and we have a virulent anti-lgbt Vice President and President Fox News fires Stacy Dash because they don’t need any black anchors to attack Obama and hire this guy so they can have him attack lgbt stories.
And here he is spouting the same tired old talking points defending his support of rabid anti-lgbt politicians in the GOP by saying his sexuality isn’t everything….no, there is the self hate and the desperation to be accepted by his hateful crowd also.
ChrisK
He wants to be the next generation go proud, log cabin capo I guess. I’ll never understand that in a million years. I mean they’ve never shown anything other then they hate you. Lol
At least Brody/Mo bro has someone to speak for him though.
Paco
His immutable sexual orientation is a very big deal to the Family Research Council and similar “Christian” hate groups. He may be willing to walk himself into the ovens built by his allies, but I won’t be.
If he thinks his sexual orientation is really no big deal to the right, then why did they introduce almost 200 anti-lgbt state bills last year? That’s a lot of bills for something that is no big deal. Unless he means that making a group second class citizens is what he finds to be no big deal.
I will never be able to understand how people can be so capable of disconnecting their brains from reality.
ChrisK
He says he’s a Christian so disconnecting yourself from reality comes with ease.
ChrisK
Oh honey the friends you surround yourself still think of you as just another F*ggot and believe me that’s on top their list. Yeah, your friends are just so tolerant. Wow. So much delusion.
You appreciate the rights given to you but shit on them by saying it’s a new era? Wow. Yeah, because conservatives are so enlightened now. Lol
mhoffman953
This article and the comments on here prove his point
His point was that he can still be conservative and be gay. Just because he’s conservative on issues such as immigration, economics, taxation, gun rights, etc. doesn’t mean that he’s also anti-gay.
Those on the left feel that for people to be allowed into their tribe, they must conform to their hive mindset and agree with EVERY left wing stance or they’re kicked out of the tribe. The left cannot accept diversity of opinion or they’ll turn on their own. Rather than debate issues, the left will instead name call
Kieran
Well said. Just because you’re gay doesn’t mean you have to be a leftist loon.
radiooutmike
The problem he has is the same problem all minority conservatives have. You are only accepted by the good graces of the status quo. As long as you tow the line, you’re okay. It may be that he does not want to get gay married or he just enjoys his right in whatever state he resides in.
He might be rich enough or connected enough where even if the rights of his kind are violated it may not affect him personally. But my question is, whats happen when it does? Even house n-words have their breaking point. So what happens if a fundamental right of his is trampled on or maybe he gets his walking papers when the powers that be clean house?
He may be a conservative and agree with 100% with their policies. But the deeper question always is, why would you align yourself to a group that does not want the same rights for you as they have for themselves…? So, you like really low taxes, you like immigration reform and America First, is this worth the expense of your personal rights?
Good Christ, look at the continued assault on abortion. It’s been settled for 45 years, and you can be anti-abortion by not having one yourself. Like this assault and the ones against they are fueled by a book about a man in the sky. It will never end.
DCguy
Awww, how adorable, the right wing troll keeps trying to hide bigotry and hate behind a bunch of blathering.
And sorry, but voting for somebody who is anti-lgbt does make you anti-lgbt. If you vote for somebody who wants rape to be legalized, you don’t get to claim it’s because you like his stance on import tariffs.
The fact that you so desperately avoid mentioning the fact that the Republican party has anti-lgbt planks in their platform, that Mike Pence didn’t mind tanking Indianna’s economy if it gave him the opportunity to harm lgbts, AND that Trump stated specifically that he would appoint judges to harm lgbt people shows that you know you have no argument.
This guy supports people that seek to do him harm, and you are trying to scrable to pretend it’s not insane.
Lets look at it this way….. Should Ashley Judd vote for somebody who thinks Harvey Winestein actions should be legal, because she thinks she and he may have the same idea on zoning laws?
olfwob
But he knows that the same people he is conform with immigration, oconomics etc. will not stop attacking his rights too or?
adam_stevens
“Those on the left feel that for people to be allowed into their tribe, they must conform to their hive mindset and agree with EVERY left wing stance or they’re kicked out of the tribe.”
That you can even post that with a ‘straight’ face is most hilarious.
Tell us how your statement is any different than how Republicans behave?
Mostly, it is funny that politicians whip citizens into a frenzy with this kind of bullshit to distract us from things of actual importance, and that people continually fall for it.
mhoffman953
The comments on here just back up everything I wrote and are typical.
Instead of the gay community celebrating that gays can be a diverse group with diverse ideas and can be represented in all arenas in life, they’ll attack this guy and other gay conservatives.
No where did Guy Benson or any other gay conservatives on here say they are against gay rights. Yet, the hive mindset, that is triggered by this, will throw out insults like “troll”, “bigot”, “anti-gay” and will invoke some radical Christian based beliefs or invoke slavery to some how blame Guy Benson for what some nutty Bible thumper believes or act as if he supports slavery.
You even have DCguy claims that someone is fighting to get rape legalized. That’s how nutty the left has become, which is why people are fleeing the Democratic party and either becoming Republican or Independent.
According to the gays on here, if you have just a single conservative stance on an issue you must want to put gays in concentration camps, support slavery, and want rape legalized.
Apolodorus
mhoffman, where were your conservative friends on the 70s, 80s and 90’s when the fight for the rights that you so freely (and rightly) use right now was raging?
Where were your conservative friends when the fight for marriage equality was occurring?
They were on the wrong side of history.
The fact that you are free to express your conservatism and be accepted by a minority in your movement is due to the normalisation of sexual orientation pushed by the very people you deride as the loonie left. Identity politics got you your freedom.
In this context it’s understandable how the accusation that you and yours are self hating is lobbed at you left, right and centre.
One thing is to stand for the conservative values you espouse. The other is supporting a party and a president that have as specific legislative targets to remove your rights as a citizen.
mhoffman953
@Apolodorus
“where were your conservative friends on the 70s, 80s and 90’s ”
Do you realize how dumb of a statement that is? Are you suggesting that people in 2017 should base their votes off of the social and economic views people had in the 70s, 80s, and 90s? If that’s the case then people wouldn’t vote for Democrats either who supported “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and helped form the KKK. That’s a ludicrous proposition to make that views don’t change over time and we should consistently vote for the same party for decades.
“One thing is to stand for the conservative values you espouse”
You’re taking the moral high ground here to act as if you support people who have conservative viewpoints when you actually don’t support anyone who has a single conservative viewpoint
Kieran
@Apolodorus Are you aware that we only have marriage equality in the United States because of the vote cast by Justice Anthony Kennedy? Justice Kennedy is a conservative, a republican, a Catholic and a Reagan appointee to the court, and we all enjoy legal gay marriage in the US today because of his vote. If this white, conservative republican man had voted the other way, we would NOT have marriage equality as the law of the land today. That is why it’s important to have friends and allies of the gay community regardless of political affiliation.
PinkoOfTheGange
Well it does prove he is a selfish homosexual. Because if you read his stuff he is just another garden verity Libertarian that happen to like dick.
Greg
Just because a person might be conservative on the issues he lists, that doesn’t mean he has to be Republican and a Trump supporter. Especially when they are anti-gay. This guy may feel like he’s part of the club, but to them, he’s still a c*cksucker.
How do you know how those on the left feel? Did that happen to you?
Apolodorus
Mhoffman, if you read what I wrote instead of skimming it, you would have understood what I meant.
I wasn’t offering you a voting guide. I think you should be free to make your choices without me interfering, no matter how self destructive and stupid I might think they are (and I do :-)). Vote republican and enjoy the consequences :-).
Again, I was offering you a framework of context that could allow you to understand why people think you are self hating when it comes to gay issues. And that hasn’t changed.
Regarding the democrats and the kkk, do you want to know the difference between them and the modern democrats? They either changed their minds, or are now repubublican social conservatives like Roy Moore. So thanks for proving my point without me asking you to do so.
Regarding moral high ground, I don’t have to be a conservative to appreciate/ respect some of their values and positions. But being a conservative doesn’t mean being s selfish, narrow minded, ignorant idiot. It means believing in the free enterprise of humans and on the rights of the individual vs the state. It can mean believing in the best of what an individual has to offer. I take the moral high ground easily with people who use conservatism (and liberalism) to express meanness of spirit, fear and prejudice.
Go read a book.
@kieran, thanks and yes – I was aware of that. But I think he fits into the kind of conservatives that I appreciate for their consistency rather than the bible thumping freaks (because there is a difference between those and lots of awesome Christian conservatives that manage to continuing to be so while allowing me and others like me to live my life -Kirsten chennoweth, I’m lookinh at you) I was referring to before.
Good night!
mhoffman953
@Apolodorus
“Regarding the democrats and the kkk, do you want to know the difference between them and the modern democrats? They either changed their minds, or are now repubublican social conservatives like Roy Moore. So thanks for proving my point without me asking you to do so.”
That’s how I know you didn’t read my response and skimmed it (something you accused me of doing). If you read my response completely, you would’ve seen that I said: “That’s a ludicrous proposition to make that views don’t change over time and we should consistently vote for the same party for decades”
Then you further prove my point from my very first comment about how the left will name call and insult those they don’t agree with from your intellectual grandstanding by saying “Go read a book”
Apolodorus
Mhoffman – tip my hat off to you there – you are correct and you got me on the skim reading bit. And I deserve the piloring I get from that :-). I actually think that’s a positive – we have found that we can agree on, people can change their minds.
But you haven’t addressed several of the main points of my argument. Nominally the ones on the difference between conservatism and bigotry and, most importantly the one regarding the context of why people find it easy to say that gay people who espouse the type of a opinions that benson are self hating.
When I tell you to go read a book, I’m not name calling. I’m actually giving you the benefit of the doubt. Because if you read books on this topic and still hold the same opinions regarding how the acceptance of lgbtq in this day and still think there is no context for the type of accusations benson faces, you are just being intellectually dishonest.
So I say it again: go read a book. I do, and I relish when people tell me to do the same. If that’s intelectual grandstanding, so be it.
Apolodorus
And, just to finish and not to be one sided – the conservatives don’t have monopoly on homophobia. Just go to the early days of Cuba under Castro, or China until very recently.
On the case of the US the social conservative movement spearheaded the anti gay movement, but in other countries communist parties were just as (if not more repressive) . And I presume that those countries had their own perceived Bensons. People who supported the very people who seemingly oppressed them, and received the backlash of their peers.
The illustration I gave you in my previous message applies to the US, but you can find the same principle in the left or on the right internationally if you look closely enough.
mhoffman953
@Apolodorus
LOL You’re telling me to read more but you don’t even read my responses, but feel the need to comment on them as if you read them.
“But you haven’t addressed several of the main points of my argument. Nominally the ones on the difference between conservatism and bigotry”
Bigotry has nothing to do with conservatism. Bigotry is the intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. For example, the commenters on this blog post who cannot tolerate Guy Benson for being a conservative and gay would exhibit the dictionary definition of bigotry because the extreme left cannot tolerate, fathom, or care to listen (or read) these views. The extreme left display bigotry (intolerance of opinion) when they shut down speakers at college campuses, hold all night dance-marathons outside a politician’s house, hit someone over the head with a bike lock for wearing a Trump shirt, etc.
Conservatism is varying in degrees. One can be conservative on various issues. For instance, one can be fiscally conservative in the sense that they realize extensive and out-of-control government spending is unnecessary and doesn’t give people an incentive to achieve more. In my opinion, I fall in this category. I’m not saying we should eliminate important programs that help the elderly, disabled, or temporarily unemployed who may need them, but for those individuals who can work but choose not to work, we should not financially support lazy behavior or abuse of these programs. Nothing about that is bigoted, because no one is intolerant of a viewpoint in that situation.
Then to address your second point, “the context of why people find it easy to say that gay people who espouse the type of a opinions that benson are self hating”
They describe Benson as self hating because either they’re towing party lines, adhere to a hive mindset and hate differing opinions, or they themselves are displaying bigotry.
There’s nothing wrong with discussing actual issues. That’s why I prefer to come here versus frequenting places where everyone agrees with me (even though I go there as well). It’s when you shut down someone else’s voice by saying everyone who is conservative to any degree is anti-gay, racist, dumb, misinformed, bigoted, xenophobic, misogynistic, having multiple screen names, being a troll, etc. that you stop the discussion from proceeding and display the definition of bigotry.
So far none of the commenters on here have discussed why, in 2017, someone would side with the Republican party versus the current state of the Democratic party as whole. Instead, everyone has resorted to name calling, comparing this to rape, shouting racism, complaining because Benson is white, crying about Fox news, bringing up slavery, throwing out ‘whataboutisms’ by bringing up radical view points, etc.
Maybe if the current Democratic party would get their act together, people in the middle would side with them more.
Apolodorus
Mhoffman – because I am a gentleman I apologised for that, and conceded the point regarding skim reading. If you choose not to accept it – which you are free not to do that’s your business.
And once again we are not disagreeing . I’m telling you that that there is a difference between conservatism and bigotry. You agree. What I’m telling you as well is that there is a reason why people might call him self hating. And a reason why they can be justified in doing so.
It’s not about shutting down conservative voices – I’m married to a white cis gay conservative and we have knock down drag out arguments about everything from healthcare to education and financial regulation. And yet I don’t consider him to be self hating because he does not support policies whoose ultimate goals are to divest him or people like him of their civil rights.
Now, taking that experience which personal and reflecting it globally : there are plenty of people who are conservative and gay and white and cis who are not Guy Benson. Who don’t suppor disenfranchisement, who view some of the retrograde policies of this governemrt and say they disagree. That whist being Christian are still loud critics of the excesses of evangelism. Conservative does not mean just republican. Just as left does not equal democrat.
As you said, there are grades of conservatism.
And if you, as you you are, try to out of your own buble, you must surely understand why people use the expression “self hating”. You may disagree with it, but you will certainly understand the context that drives the to do so.
You speak of “extreme left “ or the “left” as flatly as you say others speak of the right. As in everything, there are shades.
Shutting down debate doesn’t allow growth. But telling it like it is does. If a person is being racist on a debate, why wouldn’t of shouldn’t that person be called out?
Aires the Ram
Thank You mhoffman953, you hit the nail right on the head. I am very conservative on issues such as immigration, economics, tax, 2 amendment, etc., and I’m a gay man who’s been ‘out’ for almost 40 years. Nowhere on these pages does any self-professed leftist liberal attempt to actually have an intelligent discussion on the above mentioned issues. When they get cornered with conservatives using logic, history, economics, facts and actual civil discussion, they run back into their little “Gay” ‘a-men’ corner and spew nasty names. Their inability to have a civil discussion of the actual issues, shows how horribly un-informed, mis-informed, and educationally challenged that they really are.
Brody
Yet another example of the left being congenitally incapable of realizing that this I-hate-anything-that-doesn’t-affirm-my-own-beliefs behavior is divisive and what helped get Trump elected in the first place, and will serve to reelect him in 2020.
So keep up the hate rants, please—they’re strongly contributing to MAGA for another 7 years.
DCguy
Wow, a second troll parroting the same thing.
And by “Affirming my beliefs” you mean, the belief that lgbts shouldn’t be arrested, should be able to have a job, and people who attack and kill them should be prosecuted right?
Again, what I said to your other screename stands. The fact that you try so hard to hide what the viewpoints are shows how false your narrative is.
adam_stevens
Do you not realize you have just describe the Republican party, as well?
It is astounding that you seem clueless to this.
Brody
Sorry, Adam, but nobody buries their heads in the sand like liberals.
Nobody.
Apolodorus
Dude, I don’t hate you. I just think you are wrong. Not on the re-election, because you might be right on that – Berlusconi was a tool and he was re-elected multiple times. Just your general political outlook.
I’m a firm believer that if everything you seem to desire happens, that you will be the first affected by it. That you not only are not looking out for your interests, you are not looking out for the interests of your country.
Brody
Apolodorus –
I never accused you of hating me. The “hate rants” I referenced were aimed at the editors and writers of this blog. Some commenters fall into that category as well, but I don’t believe you’re one of them.
To say I’m “not looking out for the best interests of my country” is not only insulting and untrue, it’s obviously an underhanded way of questioning my patriotism, which I assure you runs far deeper than yours or anyone you know.
Aires the Ram
Yup Brody, like I’ve always said, “let ’em keep talking”!
leobaga
Schumer playing tough earlier this weekend, libs said they were winning.
Schumer folds like a cheap suit, libs say they’re winning.
For libs, losing is winning. 🙂
MAGA!
Brody
Folded faster than Superman on laundry day.
And it was exquisite to watch.
DCguy
Awww, so Mo Bros two other attempts didn’t work, so now he’s here with another comment, trying to deflect from the actual topic…….a self hating anti-lgbt sad sack supporting politicians who seek to harm him. Nothing to do with Schumer.
But don’t worry, you can still bring out another of your screenames and scream about Hillary.
Kieran
Seeing openly gay men like Guy Benson and Shepherd Smith on conservative Fox News must be like a thick dagger plunged deeply into the hearts of homophobes across the country. How can that be a bad thing? I want more Guy Bensons to join Anderson Cooper, Steve Kornacki, Thomas Roberts, Don Lemon on TV, and I don’t care whether they support building the wall or ending chain migration.
DarkZephyr
I personally happen to think that Shepherd Smith is awesome AND he doesn’t let Trump get away with his crap like most conservatives these days seem to do.
Guy Benson on the other hand doesn’t care about LGBT issues and makes one big @$$ effort to make that extremely clear, he tries to minimize what it means to BE LGBT, especially in this current climate when it potentially will mean everything when it comes to housing, job security, healthcare and simply getting service in a public place, and because of this, he is downplaying the attack that Trump has launched against the LGBT community, acting like its not even there.
Instead of addressing his critics’ quite valid concerns, he dismisses them as “boring” and as “bullies” and just lets the concerns themselves drop, because he “doesn’t even think about them”. How in the world will homophobes take that as a dagger in their hearts? He is doing a lot of their work for them.
DCguy
Except Guy Benson supports people who want to harm lgbts. So he isn’t another Sheppard Smith or Anderson Cooper.
Brody
DarkZ –
I’m gay, and I don’t fret over gay issues, because it’s not an integral part of my life.
Believe it or not, not all of us ‘mos are rainbow flag-wavers who think Bradley/Chelsea Manning is a hero. Instead of being first and foremost gay, many of us have adopted other identities, such as our profession, or our patriotism as Americans, or as just plain men.
DarkZephyr
@Brody “DarkZ –
I’m gay, and I don’t fret over gay issues, because it’s not an integral part of my life.”
Then I am assuming you aren’t in love and trying to build a family with somebody of the same sex. Because my significant other is most certainly an integral part of *my* life. I’m sorry that you’re alone, but if you are happy that way, then good for you. For my part, who I love is very important.
“Believe it or not, not all of us ‘mos are rainbow flag-wavers who think Bradley/Chelsea Manning is a hero.”
The rainbow flag, while a symbol that I respect, have nothing to do with what I mean when I say “LGBT Issues”. I am not talking about a respectable symbol of unity right now, I am talking about the concerns that have a direct impact on the lives of people who happen to be LGBT. Chelsea Manning is a red herring. While I have no animosity for her, I don’t consider her a hero. But whether or not I do is irrelevant.
“Instead of being first and foremost gay, many of us have adopted other identities, such as our profession, or our patriotism as Americans, or as just plain men”
I am first and foremost in love with the love of my life. If you aren’t, that is your choice. But some of us can embrace several aspects of our identities at once without putting one over the other, which in turn doesn’t somehow reduce the importance of these aspects. Some of us CAN walk and chew gum at the same time. And having a meaningful career doesn’t mean that we will somehow be OK with watching our rights, dignity or families be attacked through legislation and rhetoric. Some of us have our careers because we want to make money so we can take care of the other things in our lives that are important. Being an American is great, but its great because of ALL that its supposed to mean and entail. Its great because of how being an American impacts other aspects of our lives. If you are content with simply being able to say “I am an American” without regard to what that actually means for your life, that’s your choice. But that isn’t how everybody lives or operates.
Part of being a man for me means standing up for what I regard as important, for what is dear in my life. I don’t know what it means for you, but whatever it is, that is again, your choice. Not everybody thinks like you.
Apolodorus
Brody, that’s a cool position to have, not caring about gay issues. Thinking that being gay doesn’t define you as a person. I happen to think that you are entitled to have that atitude towards your life.
But the question I would put you is: how did society evolve enough to reach a point in which you as a citizen are given the freedom to act like that? Less than one hundred years ago, you could go to jail for expressing, let alone enacting your homosexuality ( I’m presuming that you are not a virgin or chaste, I apologebim mistaken). In some countries you still can.
What convinces you that these rights and freedoms can’t be revoked? It’s happening right now in Bermuda, the government is trying to ban approved legislation that legalised gay marriage. It’s happening in Egypt where there has been a major crackdown and people are literally being pulled off the streets and dragged into jail.
Do you not think it’s unwise not to care? And this is a genuine question.
Kangol
Shepard Smith regularly critiques right-wing nonsense. He isn’t silent. He also does not say silly nonsense like LGBTQ issues might mean “whatever.” He has said being gay is a part of who he is, but he will speak out about anti-gay nonsense. Does this Guy Benson person do this? And for what it’s worth, a lot of your right-wing pals have repeatedly called for Shepard Smith to be taken off the air because he was gay and because he criticized the cult leader Don the Con Man, have issued death threats against him, and so on. Do you denounce these nuts or do you agree with them?
charlietex
Brody The great thing is you don’t have to fret over gay issues because those flag-waving ‘mos are out there working to try and protect their rights as well as yours. So you can sit there safely ensconced in your I don’t have to fight for my rights position because others are doing it for you. But let me tell you, if the people that Donald Trump has brought into his administration and put into the judiciary get their way you’re going to have to fight. Because as Donald Trump has said it himself, if Mike Pence had his way gays would be hanged. So go ahead and try to convince yourself that these issues don’t matter to you. And you and the rest of your right wing cabal of issues-blind dunces can say whatever you want but those of us who are able to put two into together will get four and hopefully you get what you deserve
Brody
Apolodorus –
What happened hundreds of years ago and what’s happening in third-world countries has no relevance whatsoever on current U.S. politics, regardless of how scared the fear-mongers have you. Trump is not going to throw us into Gay Death Camps, he will not be raping countless women and then outlaw abortions, and blacks will not be returned to slavery. I genuinely feel for those who are living in such fear, since it’s only emotional interest you’re paying on a debt you’ll never owe.
DarkZ –
FYI, I’m married. To a dude. For over four years. So your lecture on my loneliness and unhappiness was in vain. Sorry.
But your comment, “Not everybody thinks like you,” is spot-on. I completely acknowledge this and would never suggest otherwise—I just wish gay liberals would accept this fact as well, but as you can see by the less-than-civil comments made to myself and others sporting the same ideology, they obviously do not.
Also, if you have no animosity toward Brad/Chels Manning, an America-hating traitor who is clearly proud of his/her crimes, then our friendship is over. Over, I say!
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
“Definitely not LGBTQ people”
Really? It’s impossible for you to conceive of a fiscal conservative being gay and also self-accepting? Wow.
“Not nearly as boring as yet another cisgender white dude named “Guy” spewing antiquated conservative talking points to other cisgender white people. But we digress.”
But not nearly as cringey pandering as that guff. I hope to white saviour Jesus you’re not a cis-white, Graham. But we digress.
Paco
The right is not fiscally conservative. Never have been. They blow up the deficit for corporate welfare and the military and rewards for the rich. The left increases the deficit to help people with investment in education, basic living, and infrastructure improvement.
We already have many red state examples of how terrible Republican economic policies are.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
“The right is not fiscally conservative”
Far too sweeping a generalisation. Clearly there are some who *are* ideological and intellectually consistent (for good or ill). It’s not an ideology or philosophy I happen to share but I can respect others can hold it in good faith and believe its the key to achieving a better world. I think they’re wrong but the debate is necessary.
Apolodorus
I think the problem is less the fiscally conservative ( I married a man who is fiscally conservative and we have raging arguments about the topic that usually end… quite well :-D). Its the socially illiberal. It’s the Christian evangelical that gets people’s hackles up.
I think if Benson and others came out and said something on the lines of :
“I don’t care that these people are trying to take away the rights of people like me, I stand by them”, they would be better accepted.
It’s the intelectual dishonesty of not acknowledging that this happens that grates me, and I presume others.
charlietex
Oh he may accept himself, but he is certainly not aligning himself with people who accept him.
Hussain-TheCanadian
If guy believes in the ridiculous conservative ideals that are never applied by anyone in the United States, or on planet earth, he sure can. I just hope he’s not a registered Republican because that party is Anti-gay to the core and wished nothing more for ms. Guy to either go back into the closet or attend one of many clinics where they can “pray the gay away”.
bowlingbutch
Some people may be impressed he is on TV but any self-respecting gay person would not have anything to do with ab idiot who doesn’t think he deserves the rights of all Americans! I wish he had been around when gays were arrested just for being in a bar. Careers ruined, suicides, totally hated. He may have it easy but should want rights and honest respect
James
MET THIS GUY ONCE. COMPLETE NUT JOB.
Kangol
Please do tell!
Brody
Bullshit, you absolutely never met Guy Benson.
How can I tell? Because you type in all caps and use terms like “trash whore,” which are both symptoms of an immature brat simply trying to gain attention.
James
ANOTHER TRASH WHORE TRUMP IDIOT.
batesmotel
Said the trash whore idiot. lol.
KaiserVonScheiss
Another stupid article that criticises anyone who doesn’t drink the leftist kool-aid.
“cisgender white dude”
How is that relevant? It isn’t, unless you hate white ‘cisgender’ people.
This tells me who the real haters are…the leftists!
charlietex
Yeah I’m pretty sure you repeat the same crap over and over again. Pretty fitting given your name.
batesmotel
That is true. I’m in the middle, but I’ve noticed many sensible leftists moving away from the far left realizing it’s too hormonal and unstable, just like the people.
Donston
Being a Conservative lgbtq person doesn’t equate to being self-hating. But I’ve realized over the years that often times, if not most of the time, it does. There is typically an indifference and sometimes resentment towards lgbtq people that fit into your particular letter. There’s often an overall lack of respect towards lgtbq people who don’t fit into your idealized version of how people are supposed to behave. There’s usually some type of obsession with hetero-normalcy (whether it comes in the form of always maintaining hetero dynamics in your life despite being a gay or very gay-leaning person, desperately clinging on to some sense of a hetero-normal image despite knowing that you are a gay or very gay-leaning person, a desperation to constantly show how “normal” you are, a desperation to show how you’re not as sensitive as the rest of those queers, making sure you surround yourself with straight people, etc). There is usually an indifference towards lgbt issues unless it’s convenient for your personal politics. And like I said, there’s often just a lot of indifference and dismissive-ness and convenient battle picking. There are gay people that have “mixed” politics who seem to be genuinely level-headed and seem to care about overall lgbtq problems. But fully Conservative people are usually a different beast.
However, self-hatred, self-resentment, fem-phobia, internalized homophobia, internalized trans-phohia, internalized misandry, internalized misogyny and general mental health are different things that unfortunately plague a large percentage of gay, gay-leaning, trans and queer people beyond whatever political identity they have.
PinkoOfTheGange
And there it goes;
it’s going,
going,
going,
oh caught the fence.,
and bounces into the infield
a standing triple.
Just my opinion 🙂
PinkoOfTheGange
If he actually cared about the community he may have a point, but he doesn’t show he does. There is a difference between being gay and liking dick.
btw the whole white, cis …; this isn’t helpful and is only self aggrandizing. His race and gender id isn’t at issue here, his words and actions are. Using this as an argument is lazy and make it easy to dismiss the entire view of whomever uses it to virtue signal how woke they are.
Donston
Despite your snide response to my comment I agree with you here. (And you and I actually agree on a lot). Truly having passion for people of your same gender and having the desire and ability to be with someone of your same gender without your ego being all over the place is different from merely being attracted to your same gender or enjoying gay sex. And those differences often reveal themselves in personal politics and sociological outlook. I also agree that this constant harping on “cis” gender and race, especially when they’re not relevant to the topic, is lame and divisive and ass-kiss-y.
Blackceo
Actually, I’d say his race and gender are relevant because I’ve only seen White gays stan for Trump. People of color don’t have that luxury, so just like the 53% of White women that voted for him, they can fall back on their Whiteness. It is the reason that I have no sympathy for those who are now finding out that they are being hurt by his policies. They were perfectly comfortable with the people he outright said he was going to target and now are all upset because they have now become victim. I’m not here for it, and I’m not here for him.
And for the record, that whole “tolerant left” argument rings hollow with me. I’m not going to be tolerant of people who want to do me harm.
Donston
I know a gay black guy who supports Trump. I know a non gay Latino and black person who supports Trump. It’s relevant in the sense that being white and straight means you’re a bit more likely to be a Conservative or Trump supporter. However, upbringing, race, gender, economics, education, etc. affects everyone to such agree that it can often go without saying. It isn’t something that should be brought up in every conversation or something that’s constantly used to dismiss someone’s opinions. It’s like dismissing the opinion of every black person who’s Liberal. You can’t have it both ways. Using race, gender, orientation, etc as a weapon in every political conversations, even when they’re not applicable, just leads to further division not further conversation.
Apolodorus
But Donston, I’m not disavowing your other arguments – some of which I agree with, but regarding race:
Given that race and racism are proven statistically to be an institutional problem, and given that different groups of people are prone to vote in different numbers when grouped by skin colour,, dont you think that we should try to understand why that is?
Blackceo
Donston….I should have said most people of color don’t have that luxury because of course there are always exceptions to the rule. There were POC from all walks who did vote for Trump, but the vast majority did not. I can’t not bring up race because as much as people want to try and avoid it, race impacts a lot, as is shown in many areas of life. No it doesn’t always need to be brought up, but in politics, I’m not going to be one of those “I don’t see color” people and try to ignore it. I don’t use it as a weapon. I use it because its relevant too often. Thats the reality of living in a salad bowl nation. If we lived in Norway where most of the folk are White then race wouldn’t have to be brought up as much.
Donston
Race, gender, orientation, etc should not be things that are dismissed when discussing politics. These things are political. Everything is political. I just feel sometimes these things are brought up unnecessarily and sometimes used as a way to dismiss or devalue someone’s opinion. And that is sometimes the case for the left and right. I just don’t see the point of how bringing up that he’s a white, cis gender man has much to do with this information. Not in this instance. We already know his race and gender. And most white, openly gay cis men aren’t Conservative. So, I’m just not getting the reasoning behind highlighting his race and gender as if it’s supposed to give some insight. It just seems like an easy, sycophantic thing that too many bloggers and internet writers engage in to appease or rile up.
Apolodorus
Donston, I see your point there and I agree with you. It’s easy point scoring. However I understand why it’s mentioned, even if I don’t fully agree with it. Perhaps it might derived from anger that individuals that are perceived as white and cis can blend back into the fold in an easier manner if things get troublesome again? I don’t have the answer. But I take a bit of heart that we are at least discussing stuff.
Blackceo
Donston….I can agree with that. You are correct in that no it does not ALWAYS need to be brought up. I think as a POC involved in a few organizations that deal with social justice issues, I am constantly reading policies and see the disparities based on gender, race, economic status, geography etc that its hard for me to not always be looking at the links between politics and those factors. A part of me finds it very fascinating. Why do White evangelicals give Trump a pass on so much? 3 different baby’s mothers, affairs, degrading talk about women, whereas Black evangelicals lack in their support of him? I can’t help but look at something like that and think ok the White folk are giving him the kind of pass that Barack Obama wouldn’t have gotten. Really? You think Obama would’ve been elected if he had 3 different baby mamas? Those are the times when I bring race into it because how can you not?
Trump’s racism is on full display for all to see and if you support him you are comfortable enough with his racism and its detrimental effect it has had on the country. So sorry…..well…not really. But yes, those “identity politics” issues don’t always have to be brought into the conversation but they are often hard to avoid since there is a lot of commonality in them.
Aires the Ram
Blackceo, You said in your post, “There were POC from all walks who did vote for Trump, but the vast majority did not.”
You just showed a couple of your cards. 1st one: Anyone who voted for Trump is a piece of crap, in your book. (Thanks, love you too) 2nd one: Your statement that the “majority did not” vote for Trump, is absolutely false, as Donald Trump, My president and YOUR president, is sitting in the Oval Office. He won the election. If “the vast majority did not” vote for him, he would not be OUR President. I know, I point out just a couple of little ‘inconvenient’ facts, that run counter to your ‘narrative’.
SiamSam
@Aires the Ram You may have misunderstood Blackceo’s use of “POC”, which means “People of Color”, not “Pieces of Cr@p.” Also technically speaking, the vast majority did not vote Trump (or Clinton): a full half of eligible voters either voted for someone else or didn’t vote at all. That says something about the current state of US politics and disillusionment in the political process.
Stilinski26
Liberals are no longer for LGBT rights they have turned into full communists. Conservative seems to tolerate gays more than the left nowadays. Just look at whats happening to Chelsea Manning receiving death threats from the left and sjws because she crashed a event hosted by conservatives
Donston
Highlighting only the crazies and zealots to damn a whole group of people is never a smart way to push your agenda, because there are crazies and zealots in every group. Also, “tolerate” is the best someone can offer? She also attended not merely a Conservative party but an extremist party.
Chelsea is ultimately just another narcissistic, megalomaniac wannabe politician. Politics is just a game driven by ego and sociology for many people, no matter their race, gender, orientation or political identity. That’s why it’s hard for any level-headed to feel genuinely passionate about any of it.
mhoffman953
@Donston
“Highlighting only the crazies and zealots to damn a whole group of people is never a smart way to push your agenda”
But that’s all Queerty and most of the commenters above have done when describing conservatives
charlietex
If you actually believe that then you are just disconnected from reality. And for the record I’m not looking for tolerance, I expect acceptance. So I guess Mike Pence is all about tolerating the gays. And Jefferson Davis Beauregard Sessions also right? Don’t forget about Antonin Scalia, now there was a true conservative who really loved the gays. I sure do miss him. Oh yeah and then there’s that little thing called the Republican Party platform… Definitely tolerance of the gays in that little thing. Give me a break. You right wingers are bunch of idiots. And if you happen to be a gay right winger then you are an idiot who votes against your own best interest
Donston
@mhoffman953. And most of the Conservative commenters here (and their multiple usernames) have: exuded fem-phobia and trans-phobia, sometimes exuded hetero-worship or internalized homophobia and/or misogyny, praised hyper masculinity, been nonchalant towards rape, sexual assault and sexual harassment, have been dismissive towards racism, have generally disregarded or been dismissive towards people that don’t align with your way of thinking.
We all have biases and crosses to bear. And unfortunately, the most persistently outspoken people are often the most biased, most extreme, most bitter, most narcissistic and/or the most full of sh*t.
mhoffman953
@Donston
“exuded fem-phobia and trans-phobia, sometimes exuded hetero-worship or internalized homophobia and/or misogyny, praised hyper masculinity, been nonchalant towards rape, sexual assault and sexual harassment, have been dismissive towards racism, have generally disregarded or been dismissive towards people that don’t align with your way of thinking”
Sounds like you’re describing the writers of Queerty
Donston
Yes, sometimes those things describe the Queerty writers as well. As I mentioned, we all have biases and crosses to bear. And the loudest of any bunch tends to be the most problematic. But let’s not act like you and your multiple handles haven’t frequently fit into at least one of those categories.
Donston
And anyone who visits this site enough knows not to take these “writers” here too seriously, no matter their personal politics. It’s all about clicks, ass-kissing, sensationalism and trying to appease as many as possible.
mhoffman953
@Donston
I don’t have multiple handles or multiple screen names. Never have and don’t have the time to create multiple screen names. This is the only one I ever had. Those accusations are baseless. I encourage Queerty to check my IP to verify this.
Stilinski26
@charlietex Pence, Sessions are all traditional old Republicans if you come across today’s millennials/young Republicans and conservatives they are more accepting of LGBT rights than ever before and FYI I am neither a Democrats or a Republican, I live in Britain and come from a Asian immigrant background and if you think all liberals accepts and tolerates gays than I got bad news for you they dont! One of the Liberal party leader in UK has declared before that being gay is a sin so I guess the intolerance goes both ways
Brody
Been saying it for years:
Conservatives are much more forgiving of my homosexuality than gays are of my politics, which, no matter how liberals may try to spin it, still paints conservatives as taking on the high road and the gay community as being petty.
Stilinski26
And also a reminder that liberals only cares about homophobia when it comes from mostly white and or Christians. they will ignore the threat of violence and homophobic attacks from other religious groups mainly Muslims
Brody
Stilinski26 –
Dude, don’t even get me started on the double standard of liberals (especially gays) screaming that white Christian Americans are our biggest threat while ignoring the blatant anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-freedom menace that is Sharia law.
I’ve had this discussion with a few libs in my day, and let’s just say it doesn’t end very prettily when I bring up the videos of Muslims tossing us off of rooftops (which is usually met with the pathetic claim of “Christians are throwing us off of rooftops, too!” which, obviously, is an assertion that cannot be substantiated).
Stilinski26
@Brody I guess refusing to bake a cake is more of a threat to these liberals gays than thrown off the building. selective outrage and selective defense is hilarious remember after Orlando attack the gay media were reporting how now the Orlando terrorist attack will lead to “Islamophobia” by right wingers and Trump supporters.
Paco
@stilinkski26 – The Vice President is extremely anti-gay. So much so that Trump even said “Don’t ask him about it…. He (Pence) wants to hang them all.”
Pence is not an outlier. He is a heartbeat away from the Presidency. There are many others like Pence that are deeply embedded in the Republican Party. You ally yourself with these people to get the things you want, and when they get complete power, will finally get what they want. Gays completely removed from open society.
Since the Republican Party refuses to purge the people like Pence to the margins, we have to fight the entire party from gaining enough power to “hang us all”.
It begins with marginalization through discriminatory legislation, which the right keeps introducing anti-lgbt bills for. Once that is normalized, it gets worse from there. Just look back upon history for the proof.
To say that conservatives tolerate gays more than the left is really intellectually dishonest. Just as intellectually dishonest as saying that the gays in America should just be happy that they aren’t, yet, being thrown from rooftops like in other parts of the world.
Helping people with anti-gay views, like Pence, gain power over our lives, is dangerous and not worth any tax-breaks, union busting, regulation reducing goals the conservatives share, because the anti gay cancer infecting the Republican Party wants more than that and will use whoever they can to achieve what they want. A society without gays.
Kangol
Here’s how conservatives treat gay people: a gay Alabaman Republican wants to run as a county sheriff, but the GOP committee is barring him from running on the Republican line, because he’s gay.
Also, it’s telling that Mo-Brody is “married,” but doesn’t acknowledge, as most right-wing gays won’t, that the GOP at the state and federal levels has fought same-sex marriage tooth and nail, and continues to fight to roll it back. Conservatives do not fight for gay rights and equality, and never have, but never hesitate to benefit from the battles others wage, including on their behalf.
SiamSam
@Kangol You should be supporting gay conservatives like Guy Benson to make homosexuality more palatable to the GOP if you have a genuine desire for encouraging wider acceptance of LBGTQ people. The Guy Bensons of the world who understand the conservative mindset and GOP internal politics and can act with some class and dignity are the ones who can win at least some of their hearts and minds. It definitely won’t be pierced, tattooed, gender benders with dyed hair in leather harnesses marching down the street screaming “F*CK YOU, HOMOPHOBES!” or tiresome anti-Trump tirades by Queerty “content creators.” Logically, those who attack, condemn and lampoon people like Guy Benson who are trying to make an effectual difference are tacitly supporting the continuation of “hate.” They don’t really want to eradicate “homophobia.” They need their reich-wing Christianist CONservative Repuglican Emmanuel Goldstein for their endless 2-Minute Hate episodes. (Shhhhh, don’t mention the Allah-phant in the room.)
amigay
Go get your Zen buddy Jack Phillips to bake you a wedding cake and then tell me it’s no big deal.
Xzamilloh
Still as relevant almost 3 years later. The ironic anti-identity politics crowd swallowing themselves up in identity politics when they want to show what special unicorns they are. Oh, look at me, I’m a gay conservative Christian named Guy Benson. Oh, look at me, I’m a redpilled conservative black woman named Candace Owens, who hosted a doxxing website and have yet to fully address it.
https://shallowvoices.blogspot.com/2015/05/are-lgbt-becoming-too-militant.html
Notright
I don’t subscribe to the belief that one’s sexual orientation should determine one’s political beliefs. People can support who they want. I found a black trans woman of all people that voted for Trump. https://gayblackproud.org/meet-black-trans-woman-voted-trump/ Her reasoning is specious at beast.
SiamSam
Oh. My. God. Your Freudian slip reveals your innate racism. And if you deny this, that’s further proof!
batesmotel
Most of the gay republicans or conservatives I’ve met tend to be really secure and level headed. It’s the extreme gay liberals that tend to be angry, bitter, hormonal, over emotional, unstable, erratic, reckless, and untrustworthy. I started to pay more attention to the gay conservatives when I found how many of them didn’t fit that negative description. Extreme gay liberals seem to have a piece missing. They need really good therapy to get their emotional state on an even keel.