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  • Dawster

    no one is doubting that he has done good things for the LGBT community… it’s just that he’s also a dumb-fuck.

    we need someone who can speak well, and speak well on their feet… not a dumb-fuck.

    i’m glad he feels the need to back-pedal, though…

  • mozzer13

    Compared to the current nincompoop, he’s the most eloquent thing going. No, he’s not the most charismatic choice, but he has done significantly more than any other candidate as far as gays are concerned. Plus he has executive experience as governor, legislative experience as a senator, foreign policy experience as the former UN Ambassador, and administrative experience as the secretary of energy. He screwed up last night, but make no mistake, Bill Richardson would be a fantastic president.

  • ProfessorVP

    Bill Richardson is an old-fashioned ass-grabber and ridiculer of women, teller of ancient ribald jokes that produce guffaws and winks. He doesn’t have Clinton’s slimy charm; Richardson is just slimy. In his own state, a woman knows better than to get into an elevator with him.

    When he said that homosexuality is a choice, for once he was saying what he actually thought, as when Tommy Thompson said that Yes, it’s up to an employer to fire someone merely for being gay. Sure, fire his ass. Next day, after he was informed he said something hateful: “Oh, did I say that? My hearing aid battery was running low. I thought I was asked if a gift certificate at Crate and Barrel was an appropriate Christmas gift.”

    Listen, kids– if you think that Democrats don’t have a major problem with us, wise up.

  • rock

    I believe Melissa Etheridge said it best to Hillary Clinton. In 1992, the GLBT community worked hard to elect Bill Clinton. Then we had our hearts broken over and over again with Clinton signing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and DOMA. The Clintons and too many of the Democrats use lip service to get our votes then give us crumbs and throw us under the bus every time.

    It is time we stop sitting at the back of the bus and keep hoping and being told our turn will come..just not this year..not this election, not this time.

    It is time we say we are mad as hell and not going to take their crap. I am tired of Democrats doing nothing for us.

    Other then Kuchinick and Gravel, who said they support same sex marriage, ending DODT and GLBT rights, the rest of them couldn’t even explain why we are not entitled to equal rights..the same rights as str8s…..they were all a joke and I have no use for any of them. Least of all, Hillary Clinton, who will throw us under the bus again and again said, nope not this election will have to wait your turn.

    I could use a few choice four letter words but they aren’t worth the energy to deal with the Clintons, Richardson, Obama and Edwards. They aren’t worthy of our votes nor our money and time and effort.

    Edwards knows full well that DODT has to be repealed by Congress and signed by the President as a law…..does he think we are that stupid? Apparently so as he pandered to us about the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center.

    well, to me this crowd isn’t worth a warm bucket of spit.

  • Dawster

    it doesn’t really matter what we think of “this crowd”… whether they are “worth a warm bucket of spit” or not. that’s not really the point, is it?

    the point is, which of these gets the closest to what we want (as a community) and can stand up to the republicans during the general election. who can we vote for so that republicans won’t win.

    we will never find a candidate that we will think of that highly because (1) they wouldn’t get anything done and (2) they aren’t electable (i.e. Kucinick).

    how sad to think that, ‘because they aren’t worth it,’ we wouldn’t vote – and hand the election to those who want to make being gay illegal.

  • ProfessorVP

    You’re wrong, Dawster. If people like the Clintons think they can always count on our campaign dollars and votes and then they give us Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act, then come around again and we make the same mistake again, what we are doing is totally giving up in the political game… looking like easy pickins and willing roadkill. A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to 1) keep troops in Iraq indefinitely and 2) postpone full marriage equality as long as her sagging ass is around. In other words, folks, we have to teach the Democrats that to get elected, they have to be better than Republicans.

  • Dawster

    in posting, on my site, etc… i’m quite anti-Hillary. i can’t understand why a homosexual (especially after the HRC/LOGO forum) would vote for her.

    i agree with about 80% of what Obama says and 70% of what Hillary says. I’m going to go with the 80% because it’s miles above the republicans.

    but the complacency of “oh, guess i’m not gonna vote” today causes republicans to win later. then when they ban gay marriage or start using homosexuality as a scar tactic, we bitch about it.

    that’s what i was trying point out, but i was NOT trying to be pro-Hillary.

  • ProfessorVP

    Yes, I understand you were not pro-Hillary. But I wouldn’t even vote for her as the lesser of 2 evils. I don’t see a substantial difference. Even Bush is for civil unions, and Cheney for full equality. It would break Hillary’s heart not to be president. Let it break, and Dems can reconsider turning their backs on gays and lesbians in electoral college-rich states. Let them understand- it may take a while- that we can put Dems over the top, or just sit it out and take our chances.

  • rock

    Professor VP….you said it dead on accurate and the NYTimes just published an article in the 8/11 edition in which they point out that Hillary Clinton will keep troops in Iraq indefinitely.

    Hillary and Bill Clinton accuse George Bush of using the Federal Marriage Amendment to get out Bush voters….duh, where did he get the idea from….Hillary and Bill Clinton in 1996 who used DOMA to get Southern votes for Bill in his re election campaign and that worked.

    Hillary Clinton, if elected, will run over our rights to appear that she isn’t the liberal she is accused of and will veer to the right to get elected and keep in office.

    I am with you Professor VP..time to teach the Democrats not to take advantage of our votes and our money and do nothing for it….in 1992, it was said that in key states it was the GLBT vote that put Clinton over the top..time we teach them that lesson again and say hell no to Hillary….the Clintons have no proven record of support for GLBT issues..the 2 biggest GLBT issues of abolishing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and abolishing DOMA were signed into law by Bill Clinton….and ever since then the Clintons give us lip service as they throw us under the bus.

    Even during the GLBT Forum, Hillary Clinton took a swipe at the GLBT movement by reminding us we don’t have the history of the civil rights movement….so sit down and shut up in the back of the bus.

    If insanity is repeating the same action over and over again in the hopes of expecting different results, then vote for Hillary Clinton and get the same results…getting screwed she will do to us..

    The Democrats need a hard lesson to learn and their pandering is disgusting….I am through with them and the only way to hurt them to get them to finally learn the lesson is not to vote for them.

    Rudy Giuliani has a better GLBT record then Hillary….and even Dick Cheney does…now that’s a statement.

  • ProfessorVP

    Thank you, Rock. And for you apologists of the Clintons… as G.W. Bush would say, “It’s hard work. REAL hard work.”

  • hephaestion

    Hillary was as cold as ICE in her response to Melissa Etheridge’s statement about having our hearts broken when Bill Clinton signed DOMA.

    Richardson’s candidacy is doomed now. He may be less homophobic than ALL of the Republican candidates, but his inability to speak well at the forum just plain “done him in.” It was the biggest blunder of anyone’s candidacy to date.

  • ProfessorVP

    This just in: Richardson’s manager explains that Bill mis-heard the question. Bill thought the question was “Which is a better place for shopping for newlyweds’ gifts, Pottery Barn or Crate and Barrel.” Naturally, Bill said that it was a matter of choice. I hope this clarifies things.

  • Craig Browning

    Hmmm… where are my posts from the other day?

  • dfrw

    Bill Richardson heard fine. He said what he thought. It will lose him a lot of votes and garner others. That’s reason enough not to vote for him in the primaries as far as I am concerned.

    As for the others, such as Clinton (whose husband gave us Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and DOMA, they won’t be getting my vote in the primary either.

    My vote goes to Kucinich because he’s earned my vote and believes in real equality.

    I sure as heck am not going to miss out on the opportunity to select the Democrat for President when it finally matters. Florida has moved its primary up to January and now the state matters. I recommend that each of you check the primary date in your state and then vote in it. Vote for who you want to be on the national ticken, not who you think can win (unless that happens to be the same person). Then, help that person win the national election.

    By all means do not stay at home and give up your right to vote.


  • Matt

    I agree with the posters above who point out the Dems’ failure to pony-up on so many issues. I’ve been astonished at the way the curren Dem majority in Congress is nonetheless towing the Bush line and giving him what he wants; so what if they don’t have a decisive majority, it’s time they acted like something other that quivvering, spineless jellies! That said, the prospect of “teaching them a lesson” by withholding support from less-than-perfect candidates is pretty horrifying. Think about it: it would be “better” to have another Republican administration, with more Republican appointees to courts, more Republican stifling of science more Republican dismantling of civil liberties (Guiliani will be ALL about “homeland security” dontchaknow), and more divisive, repugnant Republican scare tactics on everything from terrorists to lesbian moms? I’m sorry, but with all respect that seems to me to be too high a price to pay for teaching Dems a lesson. Instead of eating our own and feeling all pious about our political purity-of-essence, maybe we should get a little more real-politick in our point of view, and recognize that a small step forward, while not as good as a leap, is better than a continued backward slide.

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