Since coming out publicly in 2013, pro soccer player Robbie Rogers‘ life has been a whirlwind of photo ops, speaking engagements, designing a fashion line, red carpet appearances and high-profile relationships and break-ups. The L.A. Galaxy winger also found time to write a revealing new memoir, Coming Out to Play. It’s little surprise that his colorful young life has also inspired ABC to create Men in Shorts, a slightly fictionalized sitcom that is expected to go into production in the new year.
Rogers recently chatted with Attitude about the upcoming series and how the idea came about.
“I was approached with this idea about doing a show about a gay athlete who comes out and we were talking about my experiences, funny stuff like jokes I had to make in the showers to break the ice, talking about dating for the first time, all these different ‘first times’ and how awkward they were, and we just laughed, so it progressed into this comedy about this guy who comes out as gay – a total fish out of water – and he’s expected to have all these answers for little Tommy in Thailand who’s thinking of coming out, and he has no idea what it’s like in a gay bar because he’s never been to one. It’s inspired by parts of my life but the family is different, a lot of things are very different and it’s exaggerated for comedy. We want to teach people through laughter and play with stereotypes.”
The 27-year-old was also asked who he thinks should play the tele-version of him.
“It’s gotta be someone funny, someone who doesn’t care and someone very masculine; someone you wanna grab a beer with. In a perfect world – he obviously wouldn’t do this and I don’t think I’m anything like him – but someone like Chris Pratt. You know, someone hilarious, good looking but not super fit, you know what I mean? So it looks like he doesn’t go to the gym kind of thing…”
n900mixalot
What a vapid moron this guy is. Argh! Playing with stereotypes by having the guy act masculine is not playing with any stereotypes at all … how about you play with stereotypes by having a NON-MASCULINE guy play the main character, ya douche. Or maybe he has a feminine team mate who isn’t really gay, he is just a feminine guy.
This obsession with masculinity is as dumb as it gets. Here is your role model folks. An idiot who wants to be embraced by the straight community, but who doesn’t accept his own community.
QJ201
Another bottom going on about masculinity…
Dixie Rect
A potted plant wasn’t one of his choices?
Aromaeus
They don’t even look a like.
Cagnazzo82
Chris Pratt? How vain and self-absorbed.
That entire second quote is substantially cringe-worthy.
Plus he already knows Chris Pratt works out for his athletic roles. So why is he pretending he doesn’t want someone who looks like they go to the gym?
Far as I’m concerned, as much as I appreciate public figures who normalize us in certain fields like athletics (we are normal after all), I think it’s detrimental simply praising someone for being ‘the first’ and just being ‘the first’. And not really being known for any other accomplishments aside from who you sleep with or who you’re physically attracted to.
The praise unfortunately seems to have gone to this guy’s head prematurely.
jayj150
“…someone very masculine; someone you wanna grab a beer with…”. Apparently, feminine guys are not only unworthy of playing him, but even of hanging out and being seen with him. This guy is the quintessential ‘no fems/no fatties’ gay douchebag.
Milk
Poor kid is going to start to learn about public speaking very soon. He will learn that being place on a pedestal would mean getting push off it one day. That’s the world of celebrity. Good luck fighting off bad publicity kid.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
Why do the more effeminate gay men bridle at the mere mention of masculinity? If it’s not your thing? fine. Do you. Some of your brothers are masc or admire that quality in others. Deal.
For many of us it’s an incredibly important component of our identity and the identity of our partners, trumping looks, age, race, and income level. And it’s every bit worthy of respect as fem and androgyny.
And to my mind there’s few more offensive notions in our community than the idea that being comfortable or even *horror* taking pride in your own masculinity is tantamount to being some kind of sellout heteronormative fifth columnist. As if masculinity was the sole provenance of straight guys that we have to cede to them the moment declare ourselves non-heterosexual. Fuck that shit.
Aussiemate
@ QJ201
You nailed with yiur comment!!!!
Hands down mate
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
In my completely and utterly scientific taxonomy of such things I would categorise Robbie as soft-masc. And that’s no bad thing.
lordthanos
Some of you fem gay guys need to get over it.their are lots masculine gay men who are simply attracted to other masculine gay men, and they also identify with them more.
dustashed
What divkid said@PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID:
Paco
“It’s gotta be someone funny, someone who doesn’t care and someone very masculine; someone you wanna grab a beer with.”
Anything is believable in a fictional comedy and every other line can be about how much of a real man he is.
trelin
It’s more hilarious that this guy actually thinks an actual actor will portray him. Try visiting some side cafe in WeHo. There will be plenty of wannabe actors jonesing for a few bucks to play him.
PaulR
Shame on you Queerty for posting something just to get your audience riled up. -and to the rest of you. Robbie is a professional soccer player. This show is going to be based on his life. The whole goal of his campaign (Besides financial) is to raise awareness for gay athletes. A show that had a gay man that wasn’t portrayed as funny and masculine would completely miss the point. If you all had understood the article you would see that he is trying to reach a segmented audience of men in sports. There are many men who you would never know had any sexual preference for men who will never even explore their sexuality because they have no role models for it. Robbie’s choice of words may not have been the best but he is doing really great things. You have to see that until ALL men are comfortable expressing their sexuality there will always be discrimination. Having a masculine, funny guy like Chris Pratt WOULD work. Having more men out in sports will make a huge cultural difference and in the end be better for everyone.
lordthanos
I agree with everything you just said.
Billy Budd
I think it is perfectly acceptable to prefer masculine guys and to identify with masculine guys. It would be wrong if you said you think fem guys are inferior. But to express a preference is totally normal.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
I agree with PaulR.
Where’s the dramatic jeopardy in an obviously (fem) gay character coming out as gay? That might elicit comedy — but not the good kind; and more likely just eye rolls.
Paco
@PaulR: “There are many men who you would never know had any sexual preference for men who will never even explore their sexuality because they have no role models for it.”
Sorry, but I have to call BS on that. It isn’t the lack of role models keeping the straight acting, oops I meant “masculine” gay men, from pursuing their natural born desire to have sex with other men. It is their fear of being rejected by heterosexuals that keeps them in the closet. A fear and insecurity they need to conquer within themselves instead of waiting for the world to change and roll out the red carpet for them. It’s funny how they always have to make a point of setting themselves apart from other gay men by constantly reminding people how masculine they perceive themselves to be. “Real” masculine men, just are and don’t care. No reminders or announcements needed.
With that said, I applaud him for coming out and helping to shatter the perception that gay men can’t play sports. Hopefully he can do that with out reinforcing the belief that effeminate men don’t enjoy or aren’t worthy of sports either.
lordthanos
You fem gays are the one’s who are insecure every time an article comes up about a masculinity you guys get all upset.
Gman23
It is apparent all you queens think your lisp is fancy and a turn on.
Gman23
All you queens should put your purses away.
Gman23
Whats wrong with a masculine guy want his part played by someone that is like him, and not some drama queen.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
“straight acting, oops I meant “masculine” gay men,” she hissed.
Stopped reading after that. Knew anything you had to say was fucking worthless.
martinbakman
(Why can’t a bottom be masculine as well? Masculine guys enjoy it too. Tired of the slanted comments on here. )
I heard Robbie Rogers interviewed on The Outfield by Eddie Robertson and Robbie does sound like a serious, masculine person, especially compared to Eddie.
I can’t blame Robbie Rogers for wondering out loud how the character will be portrayed. Robbie is just a more serious fellow and I can’t blame him for wondering if the network might choose someone like a Frankie Grande. Obviously that is the path CBS takes with their gay characters on their BigBrother train wreck.
lordthanos
Why,would robbie rogers want a queen to portray him in a film. I don’t understand whats wrong with some of you guys.
MrKev
@QJ201: Exactly what I was thinking. And I bet the people on here defending him about his “masculine” comments are fooling themselves and don’t realize they have purses falling out of their own mouths.
If you’re truly “masculine” (which can mean different things for different people), you don’t need to tell people you are; they’ll already know.
PaulR
@Paco:
I personally am a man who desires to have sex with other men and women for that matter. I am and have always been comfortable with my sexuality for a long time. However, I never had a role model in the sports I have played.
I do know that there are many men I have come across that would probably have sex with other men if it was more acceptable. For a lot of men I don’t think it’s that they aren’t sexually attracted to men, it’s that it’s not acceptable. In general I think what Robbie is doing is helping to deconstruct barriers in sports in the world of men that does not see it as okay to have sex with other men. In his book he is constantly discussing how he hears the word fag as in insult. Now, he doesn’t hear it in his locker room.
It would sure as hell would be harder to come out as gay in sports, especially a professional one. A role model is designed to ease the transition. That’s what a role model does. Of course it would help. If your comment isn’t positive and constructive you aren’t helping anyone. If you see yourself as a drag queen musical seeing gay men, great. If you see yourself as someone who plays sports, has only guy friends, and has never related with the feminine gender, fine. We are all on this website because we like it’s content but bullshit articles like this that aren’t productive but rather just try and fiend men against each other are pathetic and not the quality of journalism that I hold this site to.
I would love to see this show come to fruition. It would help everyone because gay men in sports are ultimately going to help the LGBT community at large. They are one of the hardest demographics to come out to and people like Robbie are making a huge difference. Read his book. I did.
lordthanos
You bitch queens think that you should be the only one’s to have representation you guys are way to sensitive about this topic.
Chris
Okay; so we had a kerfuffle discussing the feminine men on Modern Family and the fem dude with his YouTube Channel. New we’re having another “grab my pearls” moment because a gay many wants to be portrayed as masculine.
I, for one, would be happy to see Robbie Rogers (or someone like him) portrayed as masculine simply because it adds to the diversity of gay portrayals in the media.
So what, he chose words that bother us. But he seems to think that because he is masculine, his hetero friends see him as someone to chug a beer with. And candidly, from my visits to the gay bars in Wilton Manors, most of the laid-back, beer-swilling gay men seem to be rather masculine. So yeah, another TV stereotype. But the sooner we work our way through them, the sooner we can find nuance —- o, wait a minute, this is TV; strike my very last comment.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
@Chris: STOP BEING REASONABLE!!!@£%&@
tdh1980
@PaulR: I call bull crap on everything you just said. If the issue is solely representation of out and proud gay male athletes in sports, then I don’t see how gender expression is of any consequence. Visibility across the entire spectrum of the community should be the cause, not adhering to rigid notions of “masculinity” so that straight bigots tolerate out existence. It’s time we stop scapegoating gay male “femininity” as the reason for lack of progress and acceptance and put the blame squarely where it belongs — On the shoulders of homophobes, both heterosexual and homosexual.
lordthanos
It’s not scapegoating it’s the truth@tdh1980:
Xzamilio
@MrKev: You know, the sad part is, many of you commenting reinforce the negative stereotypes that many of us are weary of… “…purses falling out of their own mouths.” Now, why would that sound remotely like you are comfortable being feminine? I find nothing wrong with feminine gay men, but I am not feminine and often find myself getting irate at other gay men who refer to me using female pronouns, or saying I am “straight acting”… what is “straight acting”? Is there a “gay acting”? Bet you’d get pissed if somebody said some ignorant crap like that. And you can go on with that “You don’t need to tell people you’re masculine” crap because apparently we do… I’d like to just be gay without being accused of “straight acting” or to be told I have to like bitchy men like you. Some of y’all on here give feminine gay men a bad name, because none of them are such miserable people.
lordthanos
I don’t understand you want robbie rogers to be played by someone who is non masculine that’s not how he sees him self.@n900mixalot:
lordthanos
Amen@Xzamilio:
Desert Boy
Chris Pratt loses 25lbs. and buffs up and a stud emerges. Who da’ thunk it?
TrueWords
Many gay men aspire to something that they are not and condemn others for speaking up loudly of that very thing…it is a no win situation that I have long since walked away from having communications about…I respect all of my brothers and sisters and do not ask anything from them but the same…TOLERANCE and ACCEPTANCE is KEY not DENOUNCEMENT and GENERALIZATIONS
TrueWords
@Desert Boy: because Hollywood said “YOU CAN MAKE A HELL OF A LOT MORE MONEY”…simple equation of life…
Paco
@Xzamilio: It wasn’t effeminate men that embraced the term straight acting. It was the self-perceived masculine gay men that did to sell themselves as closer to being straight than any other gay man. But I am glad to see that it is finally catching on as being the offensive and self-hating term that it is.
@lordthanos: “very masculine”
Xzamilio
@Paco: Well, fuck those stupid assholes because we have enough crap without our own making other gay men feel inferior… but that definitely goes both ways, as you can see with this thread. I don’t want anyone saying I am “straight acting” because me liking dick is about as non-straight acting as you can get. Besides, the norms are becoming so skewered in both worlds, you honestly can’t just look at how someone acts and tell if they are gay or straight anymore. But Robbie Rogers definitely touches on something that I myself have taken issue with in how gay men are portrayed. As for the way he worded it, I can’t see how he could have worded it without getting some people mad. It would be nice to see more masculine gay men in media who aren’t being portrayed as self-loathing closet cases who take the worst qualities of men and wrap an entire identity around it.
lordthanos
What is effeminate about saying amen. I mean seriously get the fuck over it already their are masculine gay men who prefer to see other masculine gay men in the media to who they have in common with what’s wrong with that?@Paco:
lordthanos
It seems like Robbie Rodergs have touched a nerve.
Paco
@lordthanos: I was quoting Mr. Rogers. The actor must be “very masculine”. Why would you jump to the conclusion that I was calling you effeminate?
TrueWords
Good movie to check out…
http://www.hulu.com/watch/406658
lordthanos
Ok then I miss understood and do agree he shouldn’t have use the adverb very.@Paco:
SportGuy
Don’t really see a problem with this. Chris is a good actor and he is hot!
lather
I think he could have expressed himself a bit better, but the “type” he is describing already existed and played gay in many roles from film to tv.
Can you say Bobby Cannavale?
I never really understood his attraction, but whatever floats your boat.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
The very term “straight-acting” is indicative and symptomatic of the historic reality wherein masculine gay men were denied their (inalienable) claim to a full masculine identity; or succumbed to social forces and lack of role models and ceded it “voluntarily.”
The community as a whole ought be glad we’re taking steps to redress inaccuracies and moving towards a more nuanced and accurate portrayal of our diversity.
But, no. Crabs in bucket…
As ever.
Paco
“…moving towards a more nuanced and accurate portrayal of our diversity.”
I really like that. Tuc Watkins could have used that the other day. Goes to show how having a good publicist, to run things by first, can go a long way when one is a celebrity. I would love to see n accurate portrayal of our diversity represented in the media, but won’t get upset about those that have paved the way.
odawg
He comes across as vapid and withas much substance as cotton candy.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
@Paco: Thnx dude!
Given my present state of inebriation that I’m able still to locate my face hole let alone string together a semi-coherent sentence is indeed a miracle of Christmas.
Good cheers to ALL you “merry” gentleman regardless of your level of “merriness” !
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
Happy Fucking Xmas everybody!
JimmyJ
Totally! I love him.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
@odawg: Be honest; you concluded that with a finger snap, didn’t you!
jason smeds
I can understand Robbie’s insistence on the masculinity issue. American TV producers are hell-bent on portraying gay men as effeminate scream-queens. Just look at Modern Family.
TrueWords
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TrueWords
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TrueWords
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martinbakman
@TrueWords: Loved Omar. Always imagined he was the sweetest lover in the sack.
martinbakman
@jason smeds: …or how CBS needs to show gay men with rooster comb hairdo’s died pink on Big Brother.
‘In case you didn’t get it America, this ones a screaming queen, just like you expected.’
TrueWords
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvINLBeRPQM
TrueWords
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TrueWords
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TrueWords
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TrueWords
http://youtu.be/iOHk4MDc2-o
TrueWords
http://youtu.be/jy0ueSzMhZ4
TrueWords
http://youtu.be/9vsCTtrR5YE
Ronbo
Who DOESN’T want Chris Pratt to play them on TV or in movies?
Will ANY of the queens here be brutally honest and say that the best choice to play them is… John Goodman?
MisterDemand
Its amazing the virtiol that emerges here from such an innocuous comment. Why is being masculine or like masculine guys always seen as someone having “issues” or selling out to heteronormative culture or some anti-gay BS. It didnt push anyone down, he just described the person that he would like to pay him with similar characteristics he identifies with. And if yoh have a problem with that, perhaps you have the problem.
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TrueWords
http://youtu.be/B500wURq3As
level75RDM
Do gay guys ever get tired of being preoccupied with gender expression? No Chinese person I’ve ever met was so concerned with proving he’s more or less mathematician than thou.
yupwhatever
@martinbakman: @QJ201: (Why can’t a bottom be masculine as well? Masculine guys enjoy it too. Tired of the slanted comments on here. )
Yeah, not to mention femme guys who top. They exist too! I get so sick of some stupid gay men (femme or masc) who think top = masculine, and bottom = feminine. That is just a dumb and hetero-normative way of thinking! Gay men should know better than that out of all people.
I’m not masc at all, but even I wasn’t offended by what he said. He didn’t say a single thing negative about femme guys, so I honestly don’t understand what the big deal is. He probably understands that in the land of tv/film making, gay men are normally portrayed in a stereotypical fashion, although there are some exceptions. He just doesn’t want to be portrayed in a way that doesn’t seem fair and honest. Sure Chris Pratt is a bit of a stretch since he’s a big goofy lug. There are tons of other actors that would be more fit to play Robbie, but I get what he is saying.
Let’s say if there was a movie or a show based on him and they chose a very campy and femme actor? Would all the ones here criticizing Robbie be okay with that? I seriously doubt it. I dunno, I just get the feeling many here just want to bitch and fight about anything. That’s pretty sad.
MisterDemand
@yupwhatever:
This x1000
n900mixalot
@lordthanos:
I get that there could be more representation of gay men who are in major league sports in the media. Fine. But what kind of role model is he being if he is so keyed up to exclude non-masculine men from being able to be the guy you want to “go have a beer with?”
Whether that guy is masculine or feminine is a matter of preference, but it shouldn’t be made as a blanket statement that that guy must be masculine. It assumes that feminine guys are not to be gone round the pub with for a pint. It says that if you are a footballer you have to have pints with masculine guys only in order to be acceptable. That’s what I have a problem with–taking away the choice that Tommy from Thailand has to opt to hang with non-masculine guys.
I’m not offended by what he said at all. I am my own person and hang out with people because I like them. Not because they are masculine or feminine. But not everyone is that open-minded, just as not all people are so open-minded as to able accepting of a gay footballer.
n900mixalot
And I get that he wants to be portrayed by someone like him. No problem. It’s his show. It’s just that he is showing the same type of ignorance that people show who can’t stand associating with, or being accepting of gay people as people, without condemning them without getting to know them, or simply just not letting it get to them and going on about their lives.
Merv
Holy crap, some of the commenters here have unresolved issues. I’m not particularly masculine, nor do I find hypermasculine guys at all attractive, but why would it bother me if such a person wanted to be portrayed by a masculine actor? Would Richard Simmons be a more appropriate choice? Get real. For the record, I don’t think Robbie Rogers or Chris Pratt are that masculine. They’re more middle of the road pretty boys than anything.
martinbakman
@MrKev: If this TV show is really about Robbie Robertson, can we blame him for wondering if the network will portray him doing jazz hands and tapping his heel against his ass after making a goal?
Perhaps his thinking was how a lot of network execs expect a narrow portrayal of gay characters – mouthy, snarky, prancing dingbats. Of course only a tiny segment of gay men act that way – cough cough – but networks and audiences seem to respond to stereotypes.
DarkZephyr
Ugh. I just identify as a gay man and a human being, I do not identify as “masc” or “fem” because I don’t consider mannerisms and speech patters to be an identity. And I wish we didn’t have to be so divided over it. Now that Masc4Masc seems to be gone, I would love to see all the fighting here at Queerty over this issue end.
@PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID: “she” hissed? I would like to ask you with all due respect, if you think calling a person that you assume to be a feminine gay man “she” is any better than what he said that pissed you off?
IvanPH
Robbie Rogers has done more to the LGBT community than all the whining screm queens trolling in Queerty comments section combined. Robbie Rogers has shattered a huge stereotype that gay guys cannot play sport.
If you look at all the gay men who play sports, you would realize that they are all masculine. Robbie Rogers is not wrong in wanting a very masculine guy to portray him and not some flamboyant sissy.
electrongreen
Chris Pratt is far to good looking to play this guy, he needs someone more like himself.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
@DarkZephyr: I was drunk. I instantly regretted it. I stand by “hissed” tho!
Kieran
Why is it so difficult for some gay men to grasp the concept that not ALL gay men dream of being Britney Spears or Beyonce? Not all gay men have an effeminate nature, nor do ALL gay men find effeminacy attractive. Many are naturally masculine and indistinguishable from other men who happen to be heteros. They appreciate masculinity in themselves and in other men. Why is this controversial? Vive le difference.
spiffy
Why doesn’t he just start taking some acting lessons and play the role himself? He’s certainly good-looking; the soccer career is not going to last forever — this can be the opportunity that many gay actors dream of but may never get…
Billy Budd
@Kieran: I totally agree with Kieran. Being masculine myself and being MORE attracted to masculine guys, I think it is normal to express such a preference. I admire the fems for being naturally OUT all the time. They force people to confront and reevaluate their prejudices.
But I feel more atracted to butch guys like me.
Jacob23
Good for Robbie. There’s nothing wrong and everything right about a man wanting to see himself portrayed as masculine. This may be a shock to some, but gay men are men. We aren’t transgenders. Some ideologues and con artists may have decided to put G and T together for political purposes, but in the real world, we ain’t them. If you are a masculine gay man, celebrate it. If you lack masculinity, then cultivate it. Don’t perform it or act it out; that’s a fraud and everyone will know it. That’s why Robbie doesn’t want some overly worked-out gym bunny playing him on TV. Because anyone can look at an obsessive gym bunny and tell that he is just performing a role, overcompensating in muscles for what is really lacking. Instead, grow your masculinity from within. You’ll be a better man for it.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
” If you lack masculinity, then cultivate it. Don’t perform it or act it out; that’s a fraud and everyone will know it.”
Or, respectfully, just mind your own fucking business and just do you.
DarkZephyr
@Jacob23: “cultivate” masculinity? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Or were you serious?
Random
I have to say, that whenever I’ve seen Robbie Rogers interviewed, I’ve always found him to be rather ‘soft’ and ‘gentle’, so his quote about wanting someone ‘very masculine’ to play him made me raise an eyebrow. And this speaks of something I’ve come across with a number of gay men, who seem to have something of a misguided notion of just how masculine they actually are. In fact, I’ve met thousands of gay men over the years and only a vanishingly small number could really be classed as ‘very masculine’. That isn’t to say they were ‘scream queens’ either – just gay men whose sexuality would be fairly obvious to most reasonably perceptive eyes.
So, really, it would probably be of benefit to all of us, if this obsession with traditional ideas of masculinity was consigned to the dustbin of history, and we accepted ourselves and each other for who we really are as human beings and people, rather than a narrow gender stereotype.
Xzamilio
@Random: Yeah, masculine men are soft and gentle, too… there isn’t this “traditional idea of masculinity” but rather the misogynistic muscled out douchebag caricature that so many of us are used to seeing in old TV shows (they’re usually the bully or dumb jock muscle head or a combination) and the guys that even other guys hated to be around. I say this to you because you clearly have your own idea of masculinity that you attempt to hide in quotation marks, but it’s rather obvious your idea is a stereotype of masculine men. The fact of the matter is, these labels exist for a reason and are not going anywhere anytime soon, and frankly, I don’t see anything with them. We’re not all the same, even within our own subcultures, and it wouldn’t hurt to show the diversity of that.
A lot of masculine gay guys are obviously gay, but still masculine. Even the way you word it… you say you’ve met gay men all over but only a few you would describe as “very masculine” that would be obvious to “the most reasonably perceptive eyes.” 1, a shorter term is “gaydar”, and 2. I’m not understanding how being obviously gay and being masculine are mutually exclusive. It’s almost as if you’re saying being obviously gay denotes some feminine aspect… but maybe I’m jumping to conclusions.
Random
@Xzamilio: The point I was making is that everyone has their own idea of masculinity; what’s considered to masculine by one person, isn’t by another. It’s very subjective, which I think should really go without saying. That being the case, it would probably be a lot healthier if gay men were far less hung up on it.
As for Rogers, I can easily see Matt Bomer playing him successfully, not an actor I personally consider to be ‘very masculine’.
Xzamilio
@Random: I’m not going to lie… I’m only commenting because of the initial comments, and not for Robbie Rogers. Honestly, I don’t know much about him or care for him, other than seeing his face on this site routinely. Matt Bomer is a hottie, though lol
Billy Budd
Matt Bomer would be awesome!
yupwhatever
@Random: “And this speaks of something I’ve come across with a number of gay men, who seem to have something of a misguided notion of just how masculine they actually are. In fact, I’ve met thousands of gay men over the years and only a vanishingly small number could really be classed as ‘very masculine’.”
lol That’s funny because that applies to many of the straight men I know or have met in my life. *shrugs* They seem far more obsessed with how masc and manly they are than most gay men I know, yet they are far from what I consider to be very masculine. *shrugs* It’s mostly a silly act.
Random
@yupwhatever: Hmmm…interesting, and whilst I don’t doubt what you say, I’m not sure I’ve ever heard straight men talk about ‘masculinity’, whereas it’s something that comes up a lot with gay guys. It’s as if, they believe, the more they talk about it the more masculine they’ll become when, in fact, it just comes across as protesting too much.
My belief is that, regardless of sexuality, those who are comfortable in their own skin, don’t need to go on and on about something they think they are. It should speak for itself.
Random
@Random: Well, regardless of sexuality, people who are comfortable in their own skin don’t need to go on and on about something they think they are. It should speak for itself.