Prayer Before Making Love, a new book fronted by the Roman Catholic church, is telling straight couples (of the married variety!) that before intercourse, they should get down on their knees, close their eyes, and … pray. This is God’s version of foreplay, we’re guessing.
What’s the point of the prayer? It asks God “to place within us love that truly gives, tenderness that truly unites, self-offering that tells the truth and does not deceive, forgiveness that truly receives, loving physical union that welcomes.” Did anyone else not hear anything about feeling pleasure? And what about praying that you don’t get pregnant, since condoms aren’t an option to Roman Catholics?
Whatever. There’s no prescription here for gays to pray before sex. Probably because nothing can save their souls.
Richard in DC
Maybe they should tack a prayer for brains in there, while they’re at it.
greybat
It’s actually a very lovely prayer, and would work quite well for Gay couples as a sort of prelude to Sacred Love Ritual.
Good prayer, like good love, is essentially genderless.
Jeff K.
Pre-coital prayer? That’s a bigger buzzkill than Buzzkillington!
Solis
Nothing like interrupting the moment… My suggestion would be to light a few “Our Lady of Guadelupe” candles (scented of course) and strategically place them around the bedroom so that everybody’s happy …
Ken
Heck! I’ve been doing that for years … always get on my knees before intercourse …
MarkJabo
Please, God … don’t let my partner spot the video camera…
Michael Letterman
AWW how cute all the perverts worried that they weren’t included in a prayer before sex. How about praying your boyfriend doesn’t pass wind and blow your testicals off?
Rosa
I think I’ll just continue my current practice of “praying” during sex.
Popsnap
Hahahhaah great for the like 4 American catholics who will actually do this *rolls eyes*
Robert, NYC
….It asks God “to place within us love that truly gives, tenderness that truly unites, self-offering that tells the truth and does not deceive, forgiveness that truly receives, loving physical union that welcomes.”
The arrogance of any religious cult to state that a deity asks this or that of us…..I suppose they also believe that they can actually hear its voice telling them whatever it is they need to know. How absurd and delusional does it get and for a cult that has a supposedly celibate clergy the majority of which have no sexual experience let alone dispense advice on the subject of sex and marriage. Hardly qualified if you ask me.
Michael Letterman
@Robert, NYC: Talk about arrogance. While I am not of any Christian denomination how dare you assume that if to hear the voice of G_d,guiding you on your path on Earth,is absurd or delusional.
If one doesn’t actually experience sex one is not qualified to make a judgement on it? Now that is an absurd comment. I’ve never had sex with another man but I know that would be sickening, I’ve never gone into the woods and had sex with whomever just happened to be around, but I know it’s dangerous and stupid to do so.
Want to talk about cults, what about the cult of sin, of perversion, of doing that which is at the least abnormal. Major religions of all flavors are what keeps this world morally grounded. To denagrate them shows a marked lack of intelligence on your part.
Perahps one day G_d will talk to you and help guide you until then I can only imagine life will continue to be unkind to you.
Ono Shedidn't
@Michael Letterman: Hey Michael, for someone who seems to be disgusted by queers, you sure seem to be be hanging around here a lot. Any other gay sites we might find you in? Are you getting off on some of the hot photos? We all know you’re just a closet case. Just admit it and move on 😉
Michael Letterman
@Ono Shedidn’t: Disgusted by queers? That is hardly the case. I have a gay and totally delightful guy neighbor, one lesbian one (less delightfull but always welcome to the bbq’s)and who is more handy with some lumber a hammer and box of nails then anyone in the town, I used to work with what seems exclusively gay men and with the exception of one who inssisted on sharing the details of his weekend bareback sessions just to watch me squirm, never had a problem with a single one of them.
I do have a problem with gay whinging, and with a gay adgenda to subvert the scantity of marriage. It is not a lifestyle I would ever wish to live myself, but if that’s your thing so be it. I don’t think anyone has the right to tell people what to do within their own homes so long as its legal and no one is getting hurt (unless thats their thing).
As for your opinion of where I “hang” I was attracted to this site by another site which posts items of interest. I do not think this site or any other should be exclusive to any particular sexual persuasion.
In many ways I’m a “closet case” but sorry I don’t mean to dissapoint you I happen to be rabidly heterosexual (according to my very female wife) 🙂
B
“Maybe they should tack a prayer for brains in there, while they’re at it.”
Actually, most of these prelates are so old that they would probably pray that a certain part of their anatomy could rise from the dead!
Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
Michael Letterman
@B: Amendment, you could have resisted but then that would imply you had some sort of control over yourself, so you didn’t.
B
Michael Letterman: “@B: Amendment, you could have resisted but then that would imply you had some sort of control over yourself, so you didn’t.”
Guess you don’t have a sense of humor! Look, if some supposedly celibate prelates want to give advise about something they claim to have no experience with, they deserve to be joked about.
B
Michael Letterman wrote, “While I am not of any Christian denomination how dare you assume that if to hear the voice of G_d,guiding you on your path on Earth,is absurd or delusional.”
In case anyone wants to pidgin-hole Michael, he’s 90% likely to be Orthodox Jewish, which is the sect that is particularly homophobic or sexually repressive. There’s a film about gays in Israel called “Trembling before G*d”, and the explanation of the title is that Orthodox Jews believe you should not write the word “God”, hence the use of punctuation in the middle. It’s the only religion I know of that uses that writing convention.
The funny thing about this film is at the very end, they quote a highly respected Orthodox rabbi who saw nothing wrong with a guy giving another guy a blow job – the prohibition is only about anal sex. But then, he had never heard of a blow job – his reaction was merely surprise, “why would you want to put someone’s schwanz in your mouth?” (“Schwanz”, German for “tail” is also slang for “prick” or “cock”, and that was borrowed as a Yiddish word).
Michael Letterman
@B: I have been accused of many things not having a sense of humor has never before been one of them. The thing that the celibate prelate was askikng of people is right up his alley, prayer, and he most certianly has experience in this.
Michael Letterman
@B: I guess you shouldn’t pidegonhole people, I am Jewish yes, but so far from Orthodox that the Orthodox themselves would consider me goyim. So don’t look for curls upon my head nor a basic black wardrobe. I am also (for those who think it important) not Conservative either.
So I guess you will need consider my opinions unrelated to any particular religious organization my opinions, thoughts and statements are based on my thoughts and experiences, nothing more, nothing less.
But thanks for the Yiddish lesson, haven’t heard “schwanz” since Mel Brooks loaded down his movies with the term.
robert
@Michael Letterman:
You claim..I’ve never had sex with another man but I know that would be sickening.” How do you know unless you tried it, you moron. Its like saying you don’t like broccoli even though you haven’t tried it.
“So I guess you will need consider my opinions unrelated to any particular religious organization my opinions, thoughts and statements are based on my thoughts and experiences, nothing more, nothing less.”
You’re opinions are unrelated to any particular religious organization?? Huh? Then why do you never write the word GOD in full? What a liar you are and how transparent.
So our sexual orientation is a lifestyle, implying that we choose it? Obviously, you know NO gay people, you fucking liar. When did you get to choose yours pal? As for your sanctity of marriage bullshit mantra, you need to be reminded that civil marriage has absolutely nothing to do with any religious cult, so you too can stop the whinging and your own fucking religious hetero agenda. Why don’t you go after your own fucking straight adulterers, the ones you vote for in the republican party who chant the same sanctity of marriage shit while fucking other women on the side and banning equality legislation for gay tax payers. You’re a fucking hypocrite and a bigot.
robert
@Ono Shedidn’t:
I agree, don’t fall for his bullshit. Most of these religious cultists have a lot of shit in their closets and are often the worst offenders. Any well adjusted straight comfortable with his own sexual orientation wouldn’t troll the net for gay blogsites to vent their venom and judgment of others, least of all a jew. I bet his wife has no idea he checks out these sites, but he’ll claim she does, assuming he really is married which I doubt. He’s one sick fuck for sure.
DaveinSF
Well I have to admit the whole idea of the “pre-sex prayer” does put the liturgical exclaimation “Come Lord Jesus, Come Soon…” in a somewhat different light…
*snicker*
Michael Letterman
I find it amusing you need to think my opinions are religious based. It seems to make you feel better to think me a religious zealot which I can assure you I am not.
As for knowing it would sicken me, unfortunately I’ve been approached on a number of occasions by overt men and each time I’ve felt the tell-tale signs of impending regurgitation each and every time. Mind you I care little about what you or anyone else does in the privacy of your own home. Those who take their actions to the local rest stop I care greatly about, that isn’t limited to homosexuals either.
You don’t have to believe me, it really doesn’t matter but the gay people I do know and have known have dicussed the issues with me time and again and I’ve seen what grief their lifestyle has caused them.
Also yes, yes, yes your sexual preference is a lifestyle you choose to live just like my sexual preference is the lifestyle I choose to live. Everytime you engage in a sexual encounter you make a choice. I never said your choice was wrong for you but I did say and maintain that marriage is not something that should be diluted to include same sex partners. I prefer some sort of civil arraingement instead.
BTW if it clears up your missunderstanding of me, GOD, GOD, GOD GOD, all spelled out for you. My prior spelling is more of a cultural thing than religious thing.
As for my wife, well I’ll just say there is nothing to hide after 30 years, she has known me since I was in high school so she knows my opinions very well.
robert
@Michael Letterman:
CIVIL MARRIAGE does NOT dilute religious cult marriages, pal. Are you aware that since Massachusetts allowed same-sex marriage, the divorce rate in that state has gone from 2.2 to 2 percent per year? Since you have difficult understanding simple English, let me repeat. CIVIL MARRIAGE is NOT religious marriage, the two are different. Name one instance in which your so called marriage to your so called wife has been diluted in 30 years? Keep your religious beliefs out of the political debate since they have NO place meddling in the political process.
So noww you can write “god”, while claiming its a cultural thing. If that were the case, why would you come in here writing it minus the “o”? Why not just write it like the rest of us do from the outset? The fact that you brought up the sanctity of marriage and same-sex marriage while nobody else did is proof positive that your beliefs and judgements are religious cult based. Nobody asked you to bring it up. Like most religious psycho talking, gay-baiting, nutjobs, you’re a fucking liar.
Michael Letterman
@robert: You say it doesn’t I say it does. How goes Massachusetts is not how goes the country. If you want to take a .2 reduction in divorce as a trend fine. Nationwide divorce runs just under 50% btw Mass. divorce rate is 2% per thousand not just 2% there is a difference.
Civil marriage is what every marriage in America is. Even if you have a religious ceremony the license makes the act of marriage a civil arraingement.
My marriage to my wife of 30 years has never been diluted nor will we allow it to ever be.
As for how I write G_d that is my personal choice. There are a vast many things I don’t do like the “rest of you” do. Like get a woody in the mens shower for example. You seem to need to make my thoughts and feelings religious based when I insisit they are nothing more than my opinions. But then, I can’t expect you to not put some crazed religious bend to what I say so you can feel better about it.
You want to insult me, go ahead, if it makes you feel better about yourself to use vulgarity and insult me who am I to tell you not to. I understand you must have a lot of pent up frustration and if I need be the target of it I’ll accept that role. As for how I feel about you, well I just feel sorry for you.
B
Michael Letterman wrote, “@B: I guess you shouldn’t pidegonhole people, I am Jewish yes, but so far from Orthodox that the Orthodox themselves would consider me goyim.”
Saying you were 90% likely to be Orthodox based on your spelling
of “God” as “G_d” is a very reasonable statement on my part – note that I gave a rough estimate of the probability, not stated it as a fact. You subsequently went on about a “cultural thing”, yet as far as I know, most Jews don’t use the Orthodox convention of not spelling it out. Were you perhaps raised in an Orthodox family or in an area with a lot of Orthodox people who might be offended if you used the normal English spelling? If so, it wouldn’t be surprising if you picked up some homophobic beliefs.
Then Michael wrote, “So I guess you will need consider my opinions unrelated to any particular religious organization my opinions, thoughts and statements are based on my thoughts and experiences, nothing more, nothing less.”
Let’s see, he uses a spelling of “God” favored by a particular conservative religious group, he talks about “prayer”, etc., and is obviously using the phrase “particular religious organization” to give the impression that his opinions are not based on religion. And he is posting comments to a gay web site. Is it any surprise that a lot of people seem to think he has some “issues”?
Michael Letterman
@B: As I stated I am not Orthodox (frankly they kinda scare me) No one in my family is Orthodox we’ve been Reform since my grandfather came to Ellis. I grew up in Hollis, Queens, NY. No Orthodox within miles of where I lived.
As if further proof is needed my wife was Roman Catholic as a child and converted to Reform Judiasm shortly before we were married (her idea not mine). So when I say the Orthodox won’t claim me and neither will the Conservatives I speak the truth.
I spell God, G_d as I was taught and as others have written the name to me. The only time I mentioned “prayer” was to state where the call for prayer comming from a Priest makes sense.
Of course I’m using “particular religious organization” to give an impression that my opinions are not based on religion. I’m not only trying to give that impression, I’m stating it outright.
Of course I have issues, who doesn’t. However if you are trying to imply I’m confused about my sexuality you are so off the mark. While the idea of myself engaged in homosexual acts is repugnant to me that’s my personal feeling I never said you couldn’t have sex with another man. In fact I don’t care who or what you have consentual sex with. Let your freak flag fly. Just don’t try to push it as an adgenda upon those who would rather not be that way.
Why is it so upsetting for me to share my opinion when I am perfectly willing to listen (read) yours? When you take debate into the personal realm you weaken your position. However as strongly as you feel about it so do I.
robert
@Michael Letterman:
Give me a fucking break! Name one instance in which same sex marriage has diluted yours? Name one, and back it up with evidence. You can’t, and neither can any of the other religious cultists, you moron.
Regarding Massachusetts,the divorce rates are at their pre WW2 rate, so that debunks the myth about the negative impact same sex marriage has had on it or that it dilutes your marriage and every straight marriage for that matter. Again, you can’t name one instance where it has impacted marriage in general.
The fact that state governments issue marriage licenses does not mean that running off to a religious cult to have the marriage performed make that a civil marriage at all. Civil marriage performed by a JP or other so designated contains NO religious component or reference. If a rabbi, immam or priest performs a marriage, that by definition is a religious marriage, otherwise there would be none.
We all find it odd yet transparent that a so called straight comes here to mouth of about finding gay sex repugnant, as if straights don’t fuck women up the ass (yes pal, they do, even married ones, maybe you’ve tried it on your wife), let alone commit adultery which is the real threat to and dilution of marriage. We don’t cause it, straights do that very nicely on their own, they always have long before same-sex marriage was on the radar. You’re a fucking liar and probably a shill for some right wing organization. We’ve seen all the nutjobs come in here doing exactly what you are doing. If you don’t like what we’re saying, fuck off and get a life. Go after the straights and their repugnant behavior, the philanderers, the breeders who breed for the sake of it, those who father children with more than one woman, the rapists, the wife beaters, the pimps and the johns, the sex traffickers and call girl rings, all perpetrated by straights, married and single. Get your own house in order first, you fucking hypocrite.
Ono Shedidn't
@Michael Letterman: When you decide to eat out your wife of 30 years, YOU ought to pray that she doesn’t release a wet fart and squirt your face 😉 Oops, she already did beacuse you already are a piece of sh*t.
robert
@B:
You said…”Let’s see, he uses a spelling of “God” favored by a particular conservative religious group, he talks about “prayer”, etc., and is obviously using the phrase “particular religious organization” to give the impression that his opinions are not based on religion. And he is posting comments to a gay web site. Is it any surprise that a lot of people seem to think he has some “issues”?
I totally concur with you. He’s a damn liar and most definitely does have some unresolved conflicts and issues to deliberately seek out a gay blogsite. Makes you wonder why doesn’t it? He probably goes to others using a different name, an old trick that many right wing religious wackos use to agitate, that’s how dishonest and underhanded they are, cowards all of them, the scum of the earth, very sick people indeed.
Michael Letterman
The attacks on me and it seems also on my wife just proves how weak your arguments are. Such vulgarity is the last resort of a losing bunch of perverted freaks.
If it makes you feel better to paint me as a religious zealot or a right wing wacko, it makes me no less right. The fact that you cannot accept that my opinions are based on nothing more than my experience and own beliefs is more a your problem thing than a my problem thing. I know I’m far from a religious zealot and that I am no where near being a right wing anything.
You need proof that same sex partnerships had an affect on my marriage I’d be glad to provide it in a venue other than a open to the public website.
I submit as proof that the lifestyle you choose is a blight on society, the need for vulgar and personal attacks. Funny how the, as I’m called “supposidly straight man” (I’m so straight one could use my back as a ruler) never needed to use any crude or vulgar language to make my point. Never had to attack or defame any particular sex act or partner you may have.
So continue to attack me, attack my wife, my religion (such as it is) I already feel sorry for you, I don’t mind also feeling shame for you as well. Not for your choice of partner but for your choice of language and for your lack of ability to put forth your opinion without resorting to a remarkable lack of class.
BTW what sex acts my wife and I enjoy in the privacy of our bedroom (living room, game room, garage, patio, wherever) should be as little concern to you as what you do in the privacy of your home.
Cheesus
@Michael Letterman:
You attacked your wife first, by getting married to the broad. She’s used to the abuse.
btw, please refrain from telling the world that you boink your mom, imean wife, in a garbage can…its so….perverted.
B
Michael Letterman wrote, “@B: As I stated I am not Orthodox (frankly they kinda scare me) No one in my family is Orthodox we’ve been Reform since my grandfather came to Ellis.”
According to http://judaism.about.com/od/reformjudaismfaq/f/god_spelling.htm, “Some Reform Jews observe the custom of spelling God as “G-d.” Most do not.”
So, since most Reform Jews do not and most Orthodox Jews do, I’d say my assessment was pretty accurate – a high probability of you being Orthodox given no information to the contrary (the case when I posted the comment).
Regardless of whether your issues were diagnosed perfectly, you obviously do have some issue. When I said, it is hardly surprising that people think you have (unspecified) issues, you replied by saying, “if you are trying to imply I’m confused about my sexuality you are so off the mark” in your response. This seems to be the sort of case where a famous quote from Shakespeare applies, “Methinks you protest too much.”
You shouldn’t be surprised that people aren’t buying your explanations.
robert
@B:
Why bother with this piece of detritus? He’s a lying psychopathic scumbag for the far right and in fact knows NO gay people, its a red herring. He claims he knows a few gay people including a butch lesbian….proof that he’s a homophobe for making such a statement and what would it matter,why even mention it? He gave himself away on that one.
How these religious fuckers judge others is truly breath taking and why they obsess over gay sex and deliberately seeking out gay blogsites is oh so transparent. Of course, his wife doesn’t know anything about that, believe me, he may not even be married and who cares? Ignore the low life. We’ve given him an audience and enabled him to rant, so lets now ignore the low life.
Michael Letterman
Robert you must have some pretty deep issues yourself to feel the need to keep insulting me. I am most certianly not a homophobe one need not be offended by what you do in the privacy of your home. I am anti any changes to marriage.
You don’t believe I know gay people, self defined, no lable applied by me, that’s ok too. For all I know you may be a right wing conservative using this as a cover. More likely you troll around rest stops in lycra pants hoping to get “lucky”.
B- I’m glad you did your research and by your own words some reform Jews still write it as G_d, that is how I learned to write it. But again I am not conservative, nor orthodox, heck I’m lucky to be circumsized, wasn’t bar mitphaed, didn’t seem important in my family. I could not marry in any temple as they would not accept my converted wife so soon after her conversion. We were however married by an extreemly liberal Rabbi, Rabbi Lowenstien in Long Island, NY. In one of his quasi religious/civil mashup weddings.
I am happy to debate the issues with any of you, but you really need to skip the personal attacks and vugarisms. I have a low opinion of most of you, not based on your lifestyle but based on how you choose to express yourselves.
Michael Letterman
What I really don’t get, is why you all need to see me as either ultra religious (I’m not) or ultra conservative (I’m not)?
Why can none of you accept I’m about as run of the mill as they get with strong opinions which seem to reflect those of many others I meet.
B
Robert wrote, “How these religious fuckers judge others is truly breath taking and why they obsess over gay sex and deliberately seeking out gay blogsites is oh so transparent.”
It’s like Rasputin’s theology. Rasputin was this crazy Russian pseudo-monk who had a connection with the Tsarina because the Tsarina thought Rasputin could stop her son’s hemophelia attacks.
Regardless, Rasputin believed that in order to repent, one must truly sin. And he did. After a binge of drinking and womanizing, with the “mother of all hangovers”, he was truly sorry and penitent … until it was time for the next binge.
It sounds suspiciously like some B&D/S&M thing, where some guy gets off on groveling before a priest, and to grovel well, he needs something they would consider really, really “sinful” to grovel about. Hence all the taboos about sex, and all the “curiosity” that goes with the taboos.
Michael Letterman
@B: Not agreeing with you nor disagreeing with you in any way, just trying to clarify in my own mind if I understand what your saying. Am I correct in the assumption that anyone who disagrees with the gay lifestyle can only be so if they are “religious”? It is not possible for someone to be against that lifestyle under any other conditions?
If Rasputin was a crazy pseudo-monk then why care an iota about what he believed?
I personally have never groveled before anyone/thing in my life. So I wouldn’t claim to understand the mindset of someone who has. And FYI, you didn’t ask but I came upon this website by visiting another site which I visit for celebrity gossip. For some reason the gay community seems to have the aggregation of celebrity gossip sites well and truly locked up. Sort of niche stereotype that seems more and more true.
I also do not personally believe there is anything taboo in sex with the caveat that all parties be of legal age and consent. Other than that whatever the agreeing parties wish to do is their right and privilege. Just my opinion.
B
Michael Letterman wrote, “Am I correct in the assumption that anyone who disagrees with the gay lifestyle can only be so if they are ‘religious’? ”
We can add a lack of reading comprehension to your other issues!
“If Rasputin was a crazy pseudo-monk then why care an iota about what he believed?”
Because what he believed was hilarious, and seems to be an “all too true” starting point for an obviously humorous explanation of the behavior of homophobic “religious” people who frequent gay web sites.
Michael Letterman
@B:
So if I seek clarification the onus is on my for not understanding that which you have written, not on you for not writing clearly enough for me (your assumed auidence). Interesting how you deflect blame for this to me. Must explain the rest of your choices as well.
What Rasputin believed may well indeed be true or it may not it certianly does not apply to me. I am hardly homophobic. Their is nothing to fear from yuor kind, your not some mythical vampyre, your flesh and blood and all too human.
Having found this site once, I realize that what it lacks is an alternate point of view. This I am providing. If what I find here are people who think everyone who is anti gay marriage is either a religious zealot or ultra right wing fanatic then I can provide a counterpoint that there are many middle of the road people who feel the same way on that one particular issue.
As for anti gay feelings, how about I just feel anti abusiveness, anti people who insult my family, anti, idiotic comments directed at myself and my family?
I think I have encounted some pent up frustration and anger, I can only imagine it comes from people whos lives have not gone as they would have liked.
Of all the gay people I know that have partners no one of them have stayed with the same partner more than seven years and many have stayed as a couple for far less. Perhaps this is one thing they may feel frustration and anger over.
B
Michael Letterman wrote, “So if I seek clarification the onus is on my for not understanding that which you have written, not on you for not writing clearly enough for me (your assumed auidence). Interesting how you deflect blame for this to me. Must explain the rest of your choices as well.”
You are expected to not jump to unwarranted conclusions and to not put words in people’s mouths. Nobody but you came up with the silly idea that religious people have an absolute monopoly on bigotry. And I was writing a reply to Robert’s comment, not yours. So you didn’t notice that either. Do you think the world revolves around you? And what does the “rest of your choices” refer to given that you know absolutely nothing about my personal life.
“What Rasputin believed may well indeed be true or it may not it certianly does not apply to me.”
Which supports my contention that you have a reading comprehension problem … I was replying to Robert’s comment about religious nuts. Again you seem to be protesting too much. The more you rant, the more people are going to think that Rasputin’s crazy beliefs about sin really do apply to you.
douglas in canada
DERAILED – People, you have lost the point of the article. Instead of discussing the catholics and their new tactics, you’re focussing on MLetterman.
Back to the point. I think that if you are religious, the prayer is inherently good, but it should really be the basis of ALL ACTIONS, EVERY DAY, not just before you stick it in.
Michael Letterman
@B: My apologies, perhaps with all the personal attacks towards me and my wife (who has yet to express her opinion either way) I possibly jumped the gun and was a bit to anxious to defend myself. Again I apologize for that.
Douglas In Canada:
Bingo. You put it perfectly and I thank you.
tinkerbell
@Ken: I always get on my knees before (and during) sex. Does screaming “oh god” over and over during love making count as praying? If so, I’m very devout:)
Michael Letterman
No Tinkerbell it just makes you Double D
Disgusting
Deluded
But then you most likely already know this.
Herby
Thats great now less guilt and others can understand that sex is natural to all humans. There is nothing wrong with having sex or being gay. Everyone should try it.
Michael Letterman
Herby: Less guilt? If your gay you have a lot to be guilty over. Shed a tear for all the children you won’t bring into this world, all the joy you won’t get to share with them, first steps, first words, first everything.
Sex is natural to humans but sex with a member of your own gender is as unnatural as sex with an animal, or sex with a child, all of which are as much a perversion of natural sex as much as being gay is.
As for everyone trying it that makes as much sense as saying everyone should try an animal or child as a sex partner, not only is it repulsive but disgusting and horrific too.
Nobodyatall
@47, Michael Letterman,
I can’t help but notice that your last sentence makes it sound like you have had sex with a child or animal, which I find amusing.
Also, you left out the part of your post where you describe how having sex with a guy is the same as having sex with an animal. Your claim is silly, baseless and hyperbolic.
Michael Letterman
So my saying such statements are repulsive, disgusting and horrific, leaves you to believe I partake of them?
Interesting that you say that it is possible for someone to participate in something they find repulsive, disgusting and horrific, perhaps that is a bit indicative of your feelings which you are projecting onto me.
I only say that MEN having sex with MEN or WOMEN having sex with WOMEN is equitable to sex with animals or children all are wrong, let me repeat WRONG. They are behaviors which need be removed from society.
You may think the things I say are silly or baseless or that I’m making more of an issue then is warranted but I assure you I do not and I am not alone in wanting to stem what has turned into a tide of perversity fostered into our society where it is not only unwanted but will not be tolerated.
Do what you want in the privacy of your homes, fuck whomever or whatever you want (of consent), but take it outside your home or into the laws and you will be fought tooth and nail.
Choosing to have sex with a member of your own sex does not deserve special laws or privileges it needs be treated like the perversion it is.
Now you can label me homophobic (I’m not afriad of gays I’m ambivilent about them until they ask for special treatment).
You can label me Ultra Right Wing and you’ll be right only as far as I am a Conservative Republican.
Label me a Religious Zealot, this one always makes me laugh as I am about the least religious person I know.
So toss out labels as you see fit, they allow you to vent which perhaps makes you feel like you accomplished something.