Those Scientologists sure are sneaky.
Members of the “religion’s” Toronto branch used the city’s gay pride celebrations to disseminate their out-of-this world holy word, The Dianetics, which equates same-sex desire with mental illness and advocates reparative therapy for those afflicted with the gay. Of course, we shouldn’t be surprised by such activities – some say the group offed founder L. Ron Hubbard’s son for being bent.
Before you get too worried about susceptible homos, however, rest assured that the anti-Scientological activists of Anonymous Toronto were on hand to thwart the group’s evil deeds. And, apparently forgetting their harmonious public image, the Scientologists got nasty – and a bit violent – with the activists.
An Anonymous member sent over an explanatory video on Scientology’s anti-gay agenda and some footage from the pride battles, including when Scientological leader Yvette Shank telling the activists “we can find out where you live.” Eeks!
How about we take this to the next level?
Our newsletter is like a refreshing cocktail (or mocktail) of LGBTQ+ entertainment and pop culture, served up with a side of eye-candy.
Watch it, after the jump.
Dr. Lilly von Marcab (Psychiatrist)
In the Scientology cult’s most sacred text, “Dianetics,” written in the early 1950s, a modern reader is somewhat startled to find this passage:
“The sexual pervert (and by this term Dianetics, to be brief, includes any and all forms of deviation in dynamic two [sexuality and procreation] such as homosexuality, lesbianism, sexual sadism, etc., and all down the catalog of Ellis and Krafft-Ebing) is actually quite ill physically.” (L. Ron Hubbard, “Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health”)
The cult’s founder, science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, felt LGBTQ people were malicious, untrustworthy and incredibly dangerous to society. In his follow-up book, “Science of Survival,” he establishes a “tone scale,” ranging from -3 to +4, for classifying categories of people and evaluating human behavior. “Perverts,” as he classified LGBTQ people, fall at 1.1 on Hubbard’s scale. He considered them to be extremely dangerous to society.
“At 1.1 on the tone scale we enter the area of the most vicious reversal of the second dynamic. Here we have promiscuity, perversion, sadism, and irregular practices…. People on this level on the second dynamic are intensely dangerous in the society, since aberration is contagious. A society which reaches this level is on its way out of history, as went the Greeks, as went the Romans, as goes modern European and American culture. Here is a flaming danger signal which must be heeded if a race is to go forward…. The person may claim to love others and to have the good of others as his foremost interest; yet, at the same moment, he works, unconsciously or otherwise, to injure or destroy the lives and reputations of people and also to destroy property… No social order which desires to survive dates overlook its stratum 1.1’s. No social order will survive which does not remove these people from its midst…. Such people should be taken from the society as rapidly as possible and uniformly institutionalized; for here is the level of the contagion of immorality, and the destruction of ethics.” (L. Ron Hubbard, “Science of Survival”)
The only solution Hubbard envisions to this horrifying threat is essentially converting them back to “normalcy.”
“The only answers would seem to be the permanent quarantine of such persons from society to avoid the contagion of their insanities and the general turbulence which they bring to any order, thus forcing it lower on the scale, or processing such persons until they have attained a level on the tone scale which gives them value.”
When Scientologists of today are questioned about these passages of what are considered to be Hubbard’s two most “important” books (as well as similar passages highly unfavorable to people of African heritage), the response is invariably that Hubbard was a man of his times; in mainstream white American society of the 1950s such views might have been considered acceptable, if not commonly held. But this answer is just an evasion, in view of Scientology’s belief in Hubbard’s absolute infallibility – the cult views very harshly any attempt to suggest that Hubbard was not perfectly correct in everything he ever said or did. It is simply not permitted to change even one word of Hubbard’s writings, and indeed, the two books cited above have kept these insane and homophobic passages, through all the subsequently printed editions.
Moreover, no Scientologist, let alone the organization, will reject or repudiate Hubbard’s words. They’ll “attack the messenger,” and make a million kinds of excuses, but they will not reject Hubbard’s words.
Help us take down this vicious cult, and come to http://www.enturbulation.org
CHURCHILL-Y
Well perhaps they’ll have better luck next time Will Smith is in town promoting his Homophobic shit movie, who knows maybe he will succeed in gaining a few converts for them amongst his immigrant ethnic BroThaZ up North, they should be fertile terrain for these nut-jobs.
Centurian 10
I am working on, and will soon have, Yvette’s home address and phone, watch Google maps for it to be posted.
Plups
Centurian 10, just want to make it clear that Anonymous do not condone publicising the private data of individuals, even nasty Scientologists. That is the sort of thing their investigations and fair game division, the Office of Special Affairs (OSA) would do. We don’t want to use their tactics. I realise you are not necessarily an Anon, but thought I’d make that point, just so you are aware of our stance.
sonnyliston
Scientologists may or may not be many things, but they are most certainly NOT homophobic. In fact, some of Scientology’s loudest detractors love to point out just how many of them are, in fact, gay or rumored to be. These “anonymous” haters have actually made plenty of anti-gay statements in the course of their public hounding and heckling of celebs like Cruise and Travolta.
Marcab’s argument that Hubbard’s word is treated as infallible falls apart if one simply picks up a copy of “Scientology 0-8: The Book of Basics”. In it, you’ll see multiple versions of many of Hubbard’s charts, graphs and theories, as he kept CHANGING HIS MIND about them – not once or twice, but MANY TIMES over the years. Does that sound “infallible” to you?
The versions of the Tone Scale that people of Marcab’s ilk love to quote out of context is an extremely outdated one – Hubbard’s attitudes about GLBT issues became much more liberal in the late 1960s, and he openly admitted he had previously been wrong on the matter. So much for Marcab’s “infallibility” made-up conspiracy theory.
That’s the trick that anti-Scientology crusaders use: they try to make people believe that modern Scientologists believe that every word that ever came from Hubbard’s mouth was infallible and unchangeable (even by himself). With that lie in place, they then can have a field day nitpicking odd and dated comments from his thousands of lectures and writings in his long career and life on Earth since 1911, and presenting these outdated nuggets of trivia as ‘core tenets’ of the Church today.
This is something that all attackers of any religion use to make that religion look self-contradictory, evil, and stupid. Anti-Christians, anti-Catholics, anti-Muslims and anti-Semitics all use the same technique to try to ‘demonize’ the object of their blind hate.
Bottom line: the modern Church of today does NOT discriminate against anyone, ever, regardless of race, gender, sexuality or anything else.
Dubwise
L. Ron’s son was murdered because he was gay.
Michael
SONNYLISTON said:
This is something that all attackers of any religion use to make that religion look self-contradictory, evil, and stupid.
No nitpicking necessary. All it takes are open eyes and a curious mind.
As for the post’s author, if you’re going to use quotes around “religion” in relation to Scientology, you should be prepared to use them in association with any other religion. One of them is no more ridiculous than the next.
truth_is_freedom
SONNYLISTON:
You said a lot of pretty sounding words, containing little truth. To this very day, Scientology tells Gays they can be “cured” of being gay by working on their OT levels.
(Ask Michael Pattinson.)
You call that Tolerance?
Source:
http://www.washblade.com/2007/5-18/view/editorial/10592.cfm
Former Scientologist Jason Beghe tells us that homophobia is alive and well in Scientology in 2008:
“Jason Beghe: Scientologist Feared a Gay Friend Caused My Car Crash”
Read more (plus video) here:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2008/04/jason_beghe_sci.php
Bottom Line: Scientology does not tolerate homosexuality, but will GLADLY take your money if you are willing to seek a “cure” for your sexual deviance. No thanks!
Kyler
Hilarious video. I want to dance outside their convert centers. lol
Woof
There are a lor of gay Scientologists; Tom Cruise, Will Smith, John Travolta, etc.
Eminent Victorian
So I watched the video in its entirety, and must admit that while I support Anonymous’s general goals, the video evidence they claim of harassment seems pretty thin to me. I think there’s little doubt but that Scientology is a foe to LGBT rights and issues, but all this, “They threw water on us!” and “They’re threatening to find where I live” stuff comes off as just a little silly.
AnonAnon
I just think it’s great to have so many straight people (The anons, by and large) taking up a fight that has so little to do with them personally. It really goes to show just how dedicated they are to stopping the evils of scientology.
James J. Johnson
Scientology tries very hard to keep a good public image, mostly by distorting the truth. I am an ex-scientologist. In my time there I met many people who turned out to be gay. This is not surprising. Scientology gets most of its adherents by “finding their ruin”, finding the part of their life, which may have long since stopped bothering them and bring it up to the surface. They will concentrate on the ruin, making the “wog” feel horrible and present Scientology as their only hope. My gay friends thought Scientology would “cure” them of homosexuality. They spent a lot of money on the cure and none were cured. I have read L.Ron Hubbards anti-gay statements in the original context. Unlike Sonny Liston I have not read the retractions, though I have read more than 20 of Hubbard’s books on Scientology. I would love to read the retractions and have reference to where they can be found. I hope their are as stong and specific as his condemnations.
I have read speculation that Quentin Hubbard, L.Ron’s son, was murdered. If not it was a suicide and a mysterious one at that. The body was cremated quickly. There was no autopsy. Every account I have read stated that his homosexuality was a problem in Scientology circles. John McMaster, the first “clear” was gay. That was a problem too. The senior registrar at AOLA was gay. He said that he was declared “suppressive” because they couldn’t accept that their their top salesman was gay. Time Magazine, in 1991, reported that the head of Scientology, David Miscavige, read John Travolta’s “confessional folder” and laughed and laughed about his gay life. That’s Time Magazine.
I think that Scientology will take anyone’s money.
I think L.Ron Hubbard’s homophobia is very inconvenient in the 21st Century.
I think Scientologists will say most anything to take people’s money.
I think L.Ron Hubbard hated homosexuals. I think that Scientologists, once they get deep into it, want homoosexuals cured or gone.
ANON
No. 7 · Michael said:
“As for the post’s author, if you’re going to use quotes around “religion†in relation to Scientology, you should be prepared to use them in association with any other religion. One of them is no more ridiculous than the next.”
Its funny how the cult claims they accept all religions and say people of any faith can use Scientology BUT, as soon as we point out a GIANT flaw in their practice, they are quick to claim “One (religion) is no more ridiculous than the next.” Fear the cult. L Ron Hubbard said Jesus was a pedophile.
Tom Bacchus
I wish we could feed these cultists to the lions like in the good old days.
ANON
No. 11 · Eminent (the troll) Victorian said:
and “They’re threatening to find where I live†stuff comes off as just a little silly.
The importance of this statement is the proof that the church still uses “fairgame”.
Search “fairgame, scientology”
NoU
@Eminent Victorian
You should watch some of the old Xenutv videos.
http://www.xenutv.com/pickets/boston-assault.htm
Why was Frank Ofman screaming at Bob Minton in the video? It’s a technique called bull baiting. Where a scientologist will yell at smeone or insult them in an attempt to get them on film assaulting them. Head of Scientology in New York John Carmichael tried this a couple months ago. Hilarity ensued.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbZh5sejqHw
Terryeo
It is a non-issue. The Scientology view is that all of us are spiritual beings who inhabit and use a human body. Eye color, bedroom and bathroom habits are non-issues. Race is a non-issue. Hubbard wrote some stuff in the 50s. If taken out of context and by itself, selected lines could be misunderstood, but it is a non-issue.
jgg
LRH is supposed to be infallible. People are sent to the RPF if they say anything critical of him. So what is this “he kept changing his mind” or “he wrote some stuff in the 50s”? You are admitting that he is not a prophet.
mark
When they cure john travolta…get back to me.
mark
Nicely done video, I hope our country grows up to be just like Canada, someday.
mark
Yvette, by any chance did you change the spelling of your last name, I could swear it should have 2 k’s.
Eminent Victorian
>>No. 16 ANON: Not sure why you’ve branded me troll. I’m certainly not a Scientologist; I just expressed my opinion about the video posted here today. Crying foul because someone threw water at you seems immature to me. It’s hardly the same thing as police using water canons or something. I’m sure I could probably find out where you live, too, but: who cares? The tone of the video presented here makes it seem like they’ve got some smoking gun I don’t think they have, not with the evidence they present. You’re branding me a troll doesn’t exactly add maturity points to your cause, either. I support all reasonable endeavors to show up Scientology for the sad scam that I think it is; I just prefer different tactics, I guess. And to Poster 17, thank you for the links. I did not know about those things.
REBELComx
Tom Bacchus…I’ve been saying that about the right wing fundies for years. i even drew a cartoon about it. In the background, a heard of clearly starving and ravenous, ragged Christians parade down a street with a giant plate. ON the plate are three dead lions, clearly about to be cooked. The lions are labeled as Intelligence, Civil Rights, and Equality.
In the foreground are two Roman senators.
Roman 1 says: Don’t we normally feed the Christians TO the lions?
Roman 2 says: Too many Christians, not enough lions.
I think it works for this cult too.
Michael
@#14anon
I’m atheist.
Completely separate from that, I also believe that all religions have some brainwashing inherent in them. And I think they are at the root of most of what’s wrong in the world.
RE: Jesus
You think Christianity is better than Scientology? Christianity merely co-opted ancient myths (virgin births, triune gods, savior must sacrifice himself, etc.) that had existed for thousands of years before it.
My point was that it is ALL crazy if you take even a minute to really look at it.
Alacer
“And I think they are at the root of most of what’s wrong in the world”
do you even realize the full context of that statement?
Trenton
I was having such a crappy morning…This really lifted my spirits. 😀 I’m totally at a +3 right now ( O.O) (‘_’ )
Centurian 10
I was wondering how long it would be before the OSA shill and cult freak Terryeo showed its lame azz self here. How do you like my google maps entries fool? Watch for ALOT more including several of your cults leaders home and private info…perhaps even Miscavages ACTUAL residence…
Michael
Yeah. Do you? Look at most of the wars in the world. Most of the wars in history. The subjugation of peoples. Genocides. It’s often, not always, based on religion, especially the monotheistic ones.
Michael
That was @#26 Alacer.
Alacer
Come on, even the Crusades weren’t completely about religion but supremacy. Look at The American Civil War, both World Wars, Vietnam…
I’m not arguing that ORGANIZED religion hasn’t created many problems, including and very importantly genocide. It has. But it’s not cause of most of what is wrong in the world.
Meowth
1. No, Scientology’s pretty homophobic. One of the regular posters on an anon message board (Enturbulation.org) is exot7Michael or something, and IIRC, he joined because they said they could cure him (this was back a few decades ago).
2. In regards to harassment: If a member of Anonymous doing it to a Scientologist would lead to them getting arrested by the police, then it’s still harassment/assault when a Scientologist does it to an Anon, legally speaking.
Aretha Franklin
Yellow journalism. The header is a lie. The real bigot here is you, and you’re a hypocrite too.
BTW, “NAMBLA” members also protest that pedophilia is classed as a disorder. If there were enough of them, they’d get the DSM changed just like gays did. But playing “Emperor’s New Clothes” doesn’t change reality or biological logic.
Anon93107
Eminent Victorian: “I’m sure I could probably find out where you live, too, but: who cares? The tone of the video presented here makes it seem like they’ve got some smoking gun I don’t think they have, not with the evidence they present.”
Well, the deal is that their threats are not hollow ones. For example, one of our local protesters had his wife and child followed into Safeway, and then tailed for hours by car. They will hire private investigators to watch you, and they will try to make your life hell if they know who you are.
As for sonnyliston, he claims that Hubbard changed his mind, but only lists the Tone Scale as an example. He doesn’t link to a new one, or explain what the new stance of the Church is. It’s flat out denial, denial and more denial, fouled with the unmistakable stench of bullshit.
What about Dianetcs, sonnyliston? Why are the quotes about LGBT people still in there if Hubbard changed his mind?
Red
Don’t you love it when someone pops up and says “no, I know for a FACT this is true because I read it on some anonymous message board on the internet”?
Centurion’s childish and sadistic glee at attacking individual citizens for their religious beliefs seems pretty retarded as well. These immature sociopaths don’t really care about GLBT rights at all, they’re just using any weapon they can find to bash Scientology with.
And for the record, L. Ron Hubbard is NOT worshipped in Scientology and has never been given an elevated status of messiah. He said himself that he is only a man. He also said that what is true is what is true for you, and if it isn’t true for you, then it isn’t true, and that includes Scientology even though it IS Scientology.
Tor.Anon54321
@Red
Actually there are many people in Anonymous with what LRH would call “alternate” lifestyles. Just because you don’t see them doesn’t mean they’re not there.
reversion
interesting how the word “scientology” brings in all this shit
gb2 gaia
Guillermo Fox
Actor Jason Beghe left Scientology when they told his his car accident was caused by having a gay friend (Google it; there’s a 14-part interview on YouTube too!)
That was less than a year ago! Scientology is *still* homophobic and *still* thinks gays and other “deviants” should be cured, quarantined, or killed.
AnonymousToronto
@ Red
I’m not going to waste my time debating reality with you because you truly are a delusional and brainwashed cultist who believes whatever garbage Scientology tells you to. Nobody in Anonymous is against religion or any kind of belief system – except when those beliefs are used to destroy, hurt, deceive, and limit the freedom and beliefs of others for their own purposes – which is exactly what Scientology does and continues to do every day in Canada.
“What’s true, is true for you†is the kind of dangerous circular logic that Scientology uses on it’s own members to get them to justify and believe *ANYTHING* including the promotion of hatred against the LGBT community to an unsuspecting public. And in Canada at least, it’s going to stop.
BurtBenz
For anyone who’s interested: I made a little video series called “Why Scientology Wasn’t For Me” for Youtube (search it, if you want). Part 1 deals with the fact that Scientology is homophobic. Greeting, BB
anti
Red claims Hubbard isn’t revered within Scientology. He is worshipped as a prophet. In every org around the world, there is a pristine, off-limits, office set aside for their beloved creator. They salute his image at gatherings. I don’t know about you, but that is hero worship you’d be hard pressed to find anywhere else. Especially because Hubbard was a liar and a lecher. Most of the things they worship him for were blatant fabrications. Military hero? Barely served. Astrophysicist? Didn’t pass the one course he took on the subject before flunking out of college. He was charismatic, but extremely mentally ill person who scammed a lot of folks into believing him. David Miscavige has used this as much as he can, some saying that he is much worse, much more vindictive and neurotic than LRH himself. David Miscavige beats his staff, regularly. This cult must be stopped.
James J. Johnson
Red wrote this: “Don’t you love it when someone pops up and says “no, I know for a FACT this is true because I read it on some anonymous message board on the internetâ€? ”
Deal with my post Red. I was there. I saw it. I read it in the Hubbard books. I am not calling things facts that I saw, maybe once, on an internet posting.
True is not what is true for you. True is the thing left over after all the prejudices are examined. Just because Hubbard said it, doesn’t mean it makes any sense either.
xenubarb
“The versions of the Tone Scale that people of Marcab’s ilk love to quote out of context is an extremely outdated one – Hubbard’s attitudes about GLBT issues became much more liberal in the late 1960s, and he openly admitted he had previously been wrong on the matter.”
“That’s the trick that anti-Scientology crusaders use: they try to make people believe that modern Scientologists believe that every word that ever came from Hubbard’s mouth was infallible and unchangeable (even by himself).”
1. Not much changing now that Hubbard’s been dead, save for DM squirreling the tech and deleting certain bits of ol’ L. Ron’s homophobic and racist rants in an attempt to make it more palatable to today’s sucker. HOWEVER, Hubbard’s words may not be changed. It’s a high crime, called Squirreling.
Haven’t you even read your own doctrines? All the SPs here seem better informed than you, Sonny!
Where’re your cites? Do you think we’ll just take the word of a Scientologist because you claim to be the “most ethical people on the planet?” If there is documentation to back up your assertion, by all means, post it and change some minds. Otherwise, you’re just resorting to anecdotal “evidence,” which only a fool would swallow.
Oops, sorry, Sonnyliston. Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings.
Alacer
after all this arguing and rambling, I’ve heard tons of people say Scientology is not homophobic. Sonnyliston said the church does not discriminate against the usual list of people BUT the goal in the end is to neutralize the mental illness and/or quietly remove the person from society! I don’t give a fuck if you don’t discriminate! What Scientology does is almost worse.
bstewart23
$cientology isn’t homophobic? Okay, then, name one, just one, out gay (or lesbian) $cientologist. I can wait.
Still waiting.
Red
http://www.liveandgrow.org/fab-scn.html
James J. Johnson
Therefore ALL FORMER RULES, REGULATIONS AND POLICIES RELATING TO THE SEXUAL ACTIVITIES OF SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE CANCELLED.”
Thanks I haven’t read the statements of Keith Relkin before. Were Hubbards vicious statements towards homosexuals rules, regulations or policies? Were they research or opinion? Were they worse than yelling “Faggot”. Does Kieth Relkin realize that although things have gone well for him up to this point they have not gone so well for others simply because they are homosexual? Has he himself done any research into the actions of the cult against other homosexuals? He mentions that the IRS calls Scientology a religion but does he know that the supreme courst of the United States says that it is not a religion? Similarly with Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Belgium, Israel, Spain and many other states. I read Keith Relkin’s statements and I am glad, and not surprised that Scientology has given him an approach to solve many of his problems. He declines to say that it is making him aware of hundreds of other problems that he didn’t even know he had. It continues to make me think that Scientology wants his money and will continue to take it just as long as he will continue to give it. But, yes, you have answered Bstewart23 and showed us one (and I assume the probability of many more) Scientologists who are out.
Artoo45
Hubbard just made shit up on the fly. You can actually hear it in his lectures. He was a marginally imaginative pulp sci-fi writer and his religion reflects that . . . and Freudian psychiatry, and eastern religion and Alistair Crowley’s Satanism. Come on, Hubbard says on tape that he was once nearly run down by a locomotive on Venus fercrissakes. He also said this . . .
http://vimeo.com/1227000
without the music of course.
Endymnion
No 6 is correct! Apart from that Scientology is just crap! The ‘established’ religions are up-in-arms about Scientology though because they take away part of their sheeple and making the cake smaller! All man-made religions are just that! The aim is to benefit the founder by keeping the sheeple in the dark, same with ANY organised religion!
zeitgeistmovie.com
bob dobbs
Yeah Endymnion, most religions teach their adherents to lie, just like Scientology, they’re all exactly the same. Jesus could have said what L Ron Hubbard said for instance,” enemies may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.” -Hubbard Communication Office, Policy Letter of 18 October 1967, Issue IV
BurtBenz
Let’s not forget Scientology to this day still hasn’t removed those horrible homomphobic texts from the Dianetics book – which is the book almost everybody who’s interested gets to read first.
Nental Ife
Scientology supports ALL families as per The Second Dynamic, and that includes gay families and any other type of families you could name. I am a longtime Scientologist myself and have marched in LGBTQ rights events. A good Scientologist is duty bound to make no discrimination against someone’s sexual preference, but furthermore, also duty bound to actively help those who are being threatened by anti-gay bigots.
Now if only more people would also stand up against the anti-Scientology bigots.
Artoo45
BurtBenz is right, how come they still have that stuff about what makes you gay being analogous to being boiled in Lysol and cut with a rusty knife and screamed at in Dianetics? That and we’re really “quite ill”. Hmmmm? Or has MissCabbage just not gotten around to changing that book yet?
Nental Ife
Read this book . . .
http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Superior-Existence-Josh-Emmons/dp/1416561056/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215902997&sr=8-1
. . . if you’re allowed to.
Nental Ife
Notice that Artoo45 is employing another common trick of the obsessive anti-Scientology hate club: they use a verbal trap from which there can be no possible answer to satisfy them.
Artoo45 complains about a circa-1950 book saying circa-1950 things. And yet if a Scientologist suggests that the offending and now-outdated content of older Scn books have been superceded by later policies, then haters like Artoo45 say mocking nonsense about “MissCabbage” altering LRH’s texts.
So if the text is changed, they mock Scientology. And if the text ISN’T changed, they mock Scientology.
Clearly, mocking Scientology is all they really care about, not the truth. Blind stupid hatred doesn’t get much blinder. Or stupider.
Phoenix (the pasty one, not the Pale one)
Didn’t L. Ron Hubbard (a fiction writer) say, `If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own religion.’
…and something about religion being for suckers?
Please explain why anyone would take somebody like this guy seriously. Why would anyone get worked up about anything he said or did? Or have I gotten him mixed up with P.T. Barnum?
p.s. Why does the title Dianetics make me think of thinner thighs in 30 days? Why? WHY!?
BurtBenz
Whenever homosexuality is mentioned in Scientology, it’s always very negative, never positive. Being gay isn’t part of the second dynamic at all. On the contrary. When I was in Scientology they even made that painfully clear to me by sending me to Ethics and having someone clear it up for me.
reversion
i don’t get any of this.
most religions hate on the gays, so whether the cult of scientology hates on the gays as well doesn’t add that much more shit to the humongous pile.
now if you’ll excuse me, i’m going to go jump on my couch.
ursapater
Just FYI I remember reading in a book intro by one of L. Ron Hubbard’s pals, that back in his salad days, he constantly extolled the use of religion as a method of fleecing the masses. I doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out that’s exactly what he did.
Xenu Etrawl
“ALL FORMER RULES, REGULATIONS AND POLICIES RELATING TO THE SEXUAL ACTIVITIES OF SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE CANCELLED.â€
This was never more than a smokescreen, as was proven two years later, by their treatment of the first person declared “clear.”
“HCO ETHICS ORDER FROM: ETHICS OFFICER WW 29th December 1969 SUBJECT: JOHN McMASTER – WRIT OF EXPULSION
1. John McMaster, parishioner of 3, Carlisle Crescent, Durban, South Africa, is on this date duly expelled from the Church of Scientology for the following reason:
PLACING HIMSELF IN A POSITION OF BLACKMAIL WITH HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONS.”
James J. Johnson
For Nental Life–
I think I have at least a partial answer for you here. Many of scientology’s policies and claims are disgusting, hurtful, false and otherwise offensive. Thus they are mocked. When they are changed they can still be mocked if 1} the change is a smokescreen, 2} the change is to something even more absurd or 3) the change isn’t a change, just an obscure sentence Hubbard wrote later on that is being used to pretend that the policies have been altered. In my experience this is always coupled with an unwillingness of the scientologist to discuss his or her personal beliefs. For instance, if a Scientologist is asked, “Was Hubbard wrong in demeaning homosexuals in Dianetics and The Science of Survival” he will answer that his own personal view of Scientology does not have to be discussed with anyone. If he is clued into the smoke screen currently being used, that Hubbard’s earlier statements about sex have been withdrawn and he answers that Hubbard was initially wrong, he will have trouble with a supplementary question– Is there anything else in Dianetics or Science of Survival that is wrong? At this point the scientologist will seem even more like a zombie and should be criticized.
Of course if the scientologist really found fault with Hubbard it wouldn’t be a matter of that’s okay because “what is true is what is true for you”. It would be a trip to the ethics office. I know. I’ve been there.
How about it Nental Ife? Go on record on the internet. Tell us something that you have experienced in Hubbard’s writing that just isn’t so? Maybe the OT’s have no super powers. Maybe the clears have no perfect memory. Maybe Narconon doesn’t take people off drugs more frequently than placebo. Maybe Applied Scholastics is a poor rehash of already used educational procedures. Maybe upper levels scientologists are no more ethical than the average man on the street. Maybe Hubbard lied about his past. Maybe there aren’t 10,000,000 Scientologists and the numbers aren’t increasing. Tell us. If the people up above are ethical you have nothing to worry about. You have a right to express yourself. You even have a commission on human rights don’t you? Maybe the citizens commission on human rights is really just a scientology group that has nothing to do with human rights but is there to attack psychiatry. Come clean. You have nothing to fear but being placed in a condition of treason.
Trine S. Rasmussen
Awesome video. I loved that it was so informative and especially that ex-Scientologists spoke out. I must say though that I could have done without the dramatic music playing, while we heard them speak. I thought that was a little annoying. I understand that the music was chosen because of its “heavy” and dramatic tone, but I really felt that it was completely unnecessary. Because the video in itself was great, both with the text, interviews and general video footage. All of that clearly presented Scientology’s hateful message in a really thorough and descriptive way. So for me, the music was really tiresome.
But eh, it’s different for everyone. So in conclusion: Keep up the good work (:
Truth
I am bisexual and I had a drug problem and Scientology helped me.
The Church of Scientology helped me and they knew I was bisexual. Scientology helped me to save my life and that is the truth.
There are some bad people who do not want you to know the truth. The truth is the church can help any person who wants to get off drugs, straight or LGBT and I am proof. Go see for yourself. The truth will set you free.
strumpetwindsock
@Truth:
Yeah, well they fucked my cousin up real good.
Kept hounding him until he had no money left, too.
I expect they’ll “help” anyone so long as their money is green.
Jody
It’s not a good idea to believe as real anything a clinically mentally ill science fiction writer scratches down on paper, especially when those scribblings involve cosmic B-29s, cosmic sou collectors, and galactic overlords in the Darth Vader mold.
Atheist
Christian Churches are pouring money into the anti-gay marriage agenda movement. Members of the Catholic Church have told me that they call gay people the “enemy”. I have heard a Minister in the Evangelical Christian Church tell his people that he was voting against the right for same sex people to get married and saying that he is working with other Christian Churches to get their support and that they were joining together with his church in stopping the same sex marriage gay agenda. In fact it was the Christian Church members who voted in America that stopped the gay marriage agenda. Everybody now knows that the Mormon Church is also putting their time and money into defeating the same sex marriage agenda movement. What are the gay people doing about that?
Manx Dillard
Scientology is a good way for gullible and vulnerable people to overcome their money. So, if too much money is your problem, Scientology is the religion for you!
If the new Scienotlogist is lucky, they will get out before they are broke, or become a babbling idiot like Cruise, fantasizing about an all-Scientology critic-free world, and having super powers over matter, energy, space and time. If you could read the stories these loons tell to each other about their “wins.”
Hubbard instructed these space cadets that when this planet is “cleared,” they are supposed to build a Space Org and begin clearing the rest of the galaxy. I wish they’d all blast off tomorrow, and take Cruise with them.
Hubbard was a psycho, but figured out a way to brainwash people, and for that, the brainwashed loons who get trapped in this scam come off as doubly cuckoo. Miscavige, Cruise and Travolta are all high school dropouts. Yet, Scientology has a front group to reform education using Hubbard Study Tech(R), and pushes it as THE WAY to learn. (Learn Hubbard crap, it just so happens.)
Scientology’s magical vitamin/sauna drug program, Narconon, costs a fortune. In this decade, you either have to have too much money on your hands, or insane, to sign their billion year contract to work for them. Scientology’s drug program works for a small percentage of people, for the same reason other drug programs work. They keep you busy, and keep you away from drugs.
If you read the history of Scientology, in the Dianetics days, gays were flocking to Hubbard to de-gay them, given the repressive climate at the time.
I don’t really care what these fried brain drug cases like Relkin or Terryeo have to say about their brainwash cult. Scientology is idiotic, totalitarian and scary.